So, wouldn't it also be reasonable to ban alcohol use, a product that is responsible for over 85% of all date rapes and is the 4th largest cause of death in the U.S?
Ah, yes - I see you belong to the group that believes that a woman who had had a drink is incapable of giving consent, while a man who has had a drink is therefore a rapist if they engage in sexual activity, perhaps simple sexual assault if they hold hands or cuddle.
It also means that if my wife has had a few and gets frisky, I am likewise guilty if I engage with her. And she'll be a tad pissed if I don't.
So perhaps we need to install breathalyzers in all homes, and that the amorous couples be required to test negatively for alcohol before being allowed to engage in sexual activities.
It's funny how many people claim that women are strong and independent at the same time they clam women are weak and helpless. It's like Alice's Red queen.
Stop it! you're not doing women any favors.
Life in itself is invariably fatal.
Now making alcohol illegal. Good old prohibition. Yes, that was one of the biggest kickstarters for organized crime, caused widespread disrespect for government by way of turning most of America into criminals, and didn't do a thing it was intended to do.
America's War on drugs part one was just as successful as the present Version 2.0.
I actually think that if you asked Musk what other potential solutions there were, he'd both be able to tell you and be happy to do so and how they stacked up.
I suspect he could as well. Altogether too many slashdotters have a courtroom type of mentality towards everything, whereas if you do not have a doctorate in say batteries, that means you know absolutely nothing about batteries and cannot ever know anything about batteries.
Chemistry is not my field, but I have learned about battery chemistry. It really isn't that difficult to learn -- the devil is in the manufacturing implementation. I'm interested in a lot of things and enjoy learning. It is obvious that Musk is a very smart guy, that he is interested in a lot of things. So I have no doubt that he could stand and deliver intelligent facts about them.
I think you are misinterpreting my point. A Tesla engineer is not going to perform a detailed analysis of the Australian grid requirements unless he is directed to by the people that pay him. They actually have other stuff to work on, believe it or not. If you think that selling doesn't often happen before the required engineering in many cases, you haven't been around much.
I'm just dying to hear about how an engineer is going to design and implement a grid leveling system according to your idea that he willl not find out if no one issues him a direct order to know anything about the grid, and that he will not make the effort to find out what the grid requirements are because no one told him to find out the single most important part of a grid leveling system.
Because this is Slashdot, the once proud home of technology savvy nerds, but now the rest home for a lot of anti-technology reactionary anti-science people.
Bullshit! Idiot, lair, asshole and fool! These are your own alternative facts to shield yourself from the truth. People that see Elon for the swindling piece of South African shit he is are NOT, I repeat and bold, NOT anti-science.
Damn, di you forget to take your Thorazine, or did you combine it with Purple Drank again?
Well you better go tell Mr Musk! Some random guy on Slashdot can save the day again by giving all of the engineers and scientists working for him some really basic information that they no doubt have completely overlooked.
Actually I would not be surprised. Engineers will only look at something if assigned to do it. There actually have been similar mistakes made by battery product engineers in the past. Does Musk already have the requirements specification from the utility? I doubt it.
Fascinating, Your engineers would have a short time on the job compared to the ones I've worked with. Yours is like the guy who drove around a lot of barriers and road closed signs to plunge off a bridge that was no longer there because his GPS told him to. http://www.nydailynews.com/new... . No, not everyone is like that.
True-- not much different than Mira Loma, beyond being close-coupled with a wind farm. Personally, I think that is where the technology will really shine, as it increases the value of power produced from the wind farm dramatically.
As for customer rates, if the goal is to maximize renewables batteries are a necessary part of the equation. Modern wind turbines turbines are around 5x the cost of gas or diesel-- 15x when you factor in a 35% capacity factor, although you don't have the fuel cost.
Wind just has so many problems when it is at peak output that it becomes very hard for the grid to absorb. Cutting the top 10-20% of generation off the top really can change the game (depending on total grid penetration).
Wind and battery combo is definitely important. We have a lot of wind turbines along the Allegheny front and I'm going to have to check with my contact on how they will deal with the peak powering. I know they feather the turbines a lot, but it would be interesting to level out that semi-erratic power production. I've even seen them run the blades flat to stop some of them when they are really moving. Who ever knew we could get to a point of occasionally having too much power to use at times?
I find that the new type of Slashdot denizens are mostly interested in arguing politics and the superiority of the imperial system of measurements over the SI system, when they are not complaining over the layout of the webpage or the terribleness of the other posters. Which is why I haven't really read Slashdot for a few years now...
Don't forget the ones who are so worried about the superiority of the SI system that they seek out anything that doesn't conform to their zealotry and call it flamebait.
It is not possible to have a rational discussion about it.
They actually used the term kilowatt hours? Something is very very off there.
Why is that? Kilowatt hours is how electrical energy use is billed (at least in Australia) and I just pulled out my last bill and can see I used around 2200 kWh for last quarter, so around 24 kWh per day so it's a convenient unit for comparison. Unless you're thinking of seeing batteries quotes in Ah which doesn't mean much without knowing the nominal voltage.
Here's the confusion over kilowatt hours. Did you pay $330.00 for each kilowatt hour? $72,600 is kinda pricey.
Ahh, that's okay. Probably more important to the consumer is what that kilowatt hour of electricity will cost them. not the capacity of a group of batteries will cost. Kilowatt hour apparently can mean multiple things when costing.
In reality, this is just a scaling up of the new Los Angeles peaking system, also to run lithium battery packs.
I wonder if Musk understands that a single large battery group might not meet grid demands despite its size. A key factor is discharge rate, and for grid stabilization discharge and charge rates need to be, on occasion, much faster than what is required for cars or even home supplies.
Well you better go tell Mr Musk! Some random guy on Slashdot can save the day again by giving all of the engineers and scientists working for him some really basic information that they no doubt have completely overlooked.
And here I was debating on needing to add that to my original statement. Should have counted on bullshit responses like yours.
Illegitimi non carborundum man. Don't let the trolls get under your skin. Your original post was spot on, and I suspect that the guy trolling you is just projecting his own sexual fantasies.
To summarize, a vendor (a.k.a. Tesla/Musk) is selling a solution for a blackout problem in South Australia.
Now tell me, WHY do you think we should ask the sales guy for the "cost benefit analysis vs. other solutions"?
Because this is Slashdot, the once proud home of technology savvy nerds, but now the rest home for a lot of anti-technology reactionary anti-science people.
Do you honestly think if we burdened Musk with that he's gonna identify a solution other than the one he is selling, even if it was cheaper or better? Give me a break.
The burden of cost/benefit analysis is on the Australian government and no one else. Tough shit if they don't want to expend the time and effort to find a cheaper or better solution.
And no doubt they have looked at the alternatives. One thing to note is that Australia got to their sad state by using some of the alternatives.
And for the folks that have an issue about the guvmint being involved, well, which power source doesn't?
Finally though, what is overlooked here by so many is that battery systems are even considered in the mix. With Los Angeles installing a battery peaking system, and now this project, it is just pathetic that so many people here are simply opposed because of because. I guess their sense of wonder at just how impressive we have become at storing electricity in chemical systems has evolved.
Costs were not detailed on Friday. Tesla founder Elon Musk has previously quoted US$250 ($AU330) per kilowatt-hour "at the pack level" for 100-megawatt-hour-plus systems.
They actually used the term kilowatt hours? Something is very very off there.
Musk has been building an inventory of power-wall batteries because nobody is buying them. They are sitting there costing money, so this is a brilliant play.
There are so many batteries that they are stored in the old set where they filmed the moon landing hoax and chemtrail juice
I don't care about the guy, or how stupid he is. That's not a justification for CNN to pursue his identity. There are LOTS of sleazes on the internet, worse than this guy, the only reason they went after him was the video.
Well of course that's why. There is an old saying, "Never argue with a man who buys his ink by the barrel." Meaning that capturing the attention of journalists in such a manner means they will take a look at you. You look into things. And you publish what you find.
Personally given the content of his other tweets, I would have simply given his name to law enforcement, and been done with it. Then again, I'm not a journalist. And it was a pretty simple process to find out who he was.
A person promoting violence against Whoever is often committing a crime. The silly Trump Professional Wrestling video was kinda humorous, but what it was was a triggering moment. It got their attention. And kind like Trump's tweets about Morning Joe and Mika, it was a reaction. Just that CNN has more tools at their disposal for their reaction
If we venture back a bit, think of Ken Star's investigation of old Slick Willy. What started out as an investigation of the Whitewater S&L fiasco took many morphs, through Paula Jones, through Vince Foster's suicide, ending up eventually at the Monica Lewinsky goo gobbling business.
Point is, once you start looking into something, as would be completely reasonable if the guy caught their attention, you often get a lot more attention. That's how investigative journalism works. That's how even criminal investigations work.
Now the idea that this fellow was promoting violence against people at CNN was likely a stretch. But given his proclivity to suggest unhappy endings to others, that's the sort of thing that gets law enforcement's attention. Also his unintelligent thinking that by pseudo - anonymity that he was free to make those threats would cause one a concern.
On a personal level, I would - just as a concerned citizen, contact the local office of the FBI, give them his name and the process used to out him, and allow them to take over from there. One should alays take threats of violence seriously.
As CNN, I would first give the FBI his name, than lead off with a story with the fellows name, and invite the person to do a Skype interview and speak with him about his other threats. Much more satisfying.
Takeaway is arguing is fun. Threatening people isn't, and it can get you into trouble.
His information was already public so it's not like they dug up private information anyway like Drudge and the like would have you believe..
His name was not public, they paid people to work to discover his identity. Why were they even looking for him in the first place? they had no idea about his other horrible posts. Witch hunts are OK if you happen to find a witch? That seems to be your rationalization.
A pseudo anonymous person who was promoting violence makes for a pretty good news story. The reason they were looking for him was that once their attention was drawn to the guy, they did like news reporters are supposed to do. When they noted that he promoted violence against others, then it was even due dilegence to find out who he was. And apparently if he was a man of high moral caliber he would have said "My views are correct, so I'm proud to have my own name assigned to them." In fact, he should have done just that after publishing their threat.
But no, he was a typical fucking coward, who is oh so brave promoting violence behind what he stupidly thought was an impenetrable veil of anonymity. Internet Muscles FTW!
That right away shows just how abysmally stupid he was.
That thinking is part of the problem. They're a media outlet. They used to be respectable journalists. And taking offense at a harmless joke is beyond lunacy. The "picked sides" long before 'HanAssholeSolo' created that hilarious 'political cartoon' aka political gif
Remember though, Grandpa in Chief has adopted the policy of hit me and I hit back ten times harder.
So there is precedent.
Anyhow, anyone posting on the intertoobz and thinking that they cannot be identified is fooling themselves. All it takes is the determination and the tools. In this case, just about anyone could have found out the guy's real name. Besides, what's the issue. If he is publishing the truth, then he should be proud to put his name on it.
Oy - by that definition, there is no wealth anywhere, since humans decide on completely arbitrary things ot attach wealth to. That includes gold.
Well okay, I have to go catch up on some of my imaginary money bookkeeping. Thanks for playing the Most pointless statements ever game - I think you won.
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So, wouldn't it also be reasonable to ban alcohol use, a product that is responsible for over 85% of all date rapes and is the 4th largest cause of death in the U.S?
Ah, yes - I see you belong to the group that believes that a woman who had had a drink is incapable of giving consent, while a man who has had a drink is therefore a rapist if they engage in sexual activity, perhaps simple sexual assault if they hold hands or cuddle.
It also means that if my wife has had a few and gets frisky, I am likewise guilty if I engage with her. And she'll be a tad pissed if I don't.
So perhaps we need to install breathalyzers in all homes, and that the amorous couples be required to test negatively for alcohol before being allowed to engage in sexual activities. It's funny how many people claim that women are strong and independent at the same time they clam women are weak and helpless. It's like Alice's Red queen.
Stop it! you're not doing women any favors.
Life in itself is invariably fatal.
Now making alcohol illegal. Good old prohibition. Yes, that was one of the biggest kickstarters for organized crime, caused widespread disrespect for government by way of turning most of America into criminals, and didn't do a thing it was intended to do.
America's War on drugs part one was just as successful as the present Version 2.0.
Sorry. Not following. What is Semitic about attempting to hack reactor sites?
Ummm, me neither. Autocorrect does some strange things sometimes. "Some" is the right word But I can't figure out how it made what it "corrected'.
I actually think that if you asked Musk what other potential solutions there were, he'd both be able to tell you and be happy to do so and how they stacked up.
I suspect he could as well. Altogether too many slashdotters have a courtroom type of mentality towards everything, whereas if you do not have a doctorate in say batteries, that means you know absolutely nothing about batteries and cannot ever know anything about batteries.
Chemistry is not my field, but I have learned about battery chemistry. It really isn't that difficult to learn -- the devil is in the manufacturing implementation. I'm interested in a lot of things and enjoy learning. It is obvious that Musk is a very smart guy, that he is interested in a lot of things. So I have no doubt that he could stand and deliver intelligent facts about them.
Just not in court.
I think you are misinterpreting my point. A Tesla engineer is not going to perform a detailed analysis of the Australian grid requirements unless he is directed to by the people that pay him. They actually have other stuff to work on, believe it or not. If you think that selling doesn't often happen before the required engineering in many cases, you haven't been around much.
I'm just dying to hear about how an engineer is going to design and implement a grid leveling system according to your idea that he willl not find out if no one issues him a direct order to know anything about the grid, and that he will not make the effort to find out what the grid requirements are because no one told him to find out the single most important part of a grid leveling system.
Uhh, hello McFly! This is the same dipshit that thinks going to Mars is a "must."
Not a must - a Musk!
Because this is Slashdot, the once proud home of technology savvy nerds, but now the rest home for a lot of anti-technology reactionary anti-science people.
Bullshit! Idiot, lair, asshole and fool! These are your own alternative facts to shield yourself from the truth. People that see Elon for the swindling piece of South African shit he is are NOT, I repeat and bold, NOT anti-science.
Damn, di you forget to take your Thorazine, or did you combine it with Purple Drank again?
Slashdot users find semit hysterical incorrect headline on Slashdot article.
Are you really that stupid?
Maybe. We need to know who you were replying to.
Well you better go tell Mr Musk! Some random guy on Slashdot can save the day again by giving all of the engineers and scientists working for him some really basic information that they no doubt have completely overlooked.
Actually I would not be surprised. Engineers will only look at something if assigned to do it. There actually have been similar mistakes made by battery product engineers in the past. Does Musk already have the requirements specification from the utility? I doubt it.
Fascinating, Your engineers would have a short time on the job compared to the ones I've worked with. Yours is like the guy who drove around a lot of barriers and road closed signs to plunge off a bridge that was no longer there because his GPS told him to. http://www.nydailynews.com/new... . No, not everyone is like that.
True-- not much different than Mira Loma, beyond being close-coupled with a wind farm. Personally, I think that is where the technology will really shine, as it increases the value of power produced from the wind farm dramatically.
As for customer rates, if the goal is to maximize renewables batteries are a necessary part of the equation. Modern wind turbines turbines are around 5x the cost of gas or diesel-- 15x when you factor in a 35% capacity factor, although you don't have the fuel cost.
Wind just has so many problems when it is at peak output that it becomes very hard for the grid to absorb. Cutting the top 10-20% of generation off the top really can change the game (depending on total grid penetration).
Wind and battery combo is definitely important. We have a lot of wind turbines along the Allegheny front and I'm going to have to check with my contact on how they will deal with the peak powering. I know they feather the turbines a lot, but it would be interesting to level out that semi-erratic power production. I've even seen them run the blades flat to stop some of them when they are really moving. Who ever knew we could get to a point of occasionally having too much power to use at times?
I think this is very exciting stuff.
No, because, obviously, consumption happens only once, while charge-discharge cycles happen thousands of times per pack.
Huh? I've been consuming and paying for kilowatt hours for years and years now. Or did I get whooshed with sarcasm?
As a peaking system, the batteries will have a pretty easy life. Similar to the Prius batteries, they will lead a pretty cushy and well tended life.
I find that the new type of Slashdot denizens are mostly interested in arguing politics and the superiority of the imperial system of measurements over the SI system, when they are not complaining over the layout of the webpage or the terribleness of the other posters. Which is why I haven't really read Slashdot for a few years now...
Don't forget the ones who are so worried about the superiority of the SI system that they seek out anything that doesn't conform to their zealotry and call it flamebait.
It is not possible to have a rational discussion about it.
How the plant works internally, is not really interesting.
For people who are not interested - it isn't. I'm interested.
They actually used the term kilowatt hours? Something is very very off there.
Why is that? Kilowatt hours is how electrical energy use is billed (at least in Australia) and I just pulled out my last bill and can see I used around 2200 kWh for last quarter, so around 24 kWh per day so it's a convenient unit for comparison. Unless you're thinking of seeing batteries quotes in Ah which doesn't mean much without knowing the nominal voltage.
Here's the confusion over kilowatt hours. Did you pay $330.00 for each kilowatt hour? $72,600 is kinda pricey.
Capacity available versus capacity consumed.
Whoops, it is only 10 transformers.
Ahh, that's okay. Probably more important to the consumer is what that kilowatt hour of electricity will cost them. not the capacity of a group of batteries will cost. Kilowatt hour apparently can mean multiple things when costing.
In reality, this is just a scaling up of the new Los Angeles peaking system, also to run lithium battery packs.
I wonder if Musk understands that a single large battery group might not meet grid demands despite its size. A key factor is discharge rate, and for grid stabilization discharge and charge rates need to be, on occasion, much faster than what is required for cars or even home supplies.
Well you better go tell Mr Musk! Some random guy on Slashdot can save the day again by giving all of the engineers and scientists working for him some really basic information that they no doubt have completely overlooked.
And here I was debating on needing to add that to my original statement. Should have counted on bullshit responses like yours.
Illegitimi non carborundum man. Don't let the trolls get under your skin. Your original post was spot on, and I suspect that the guy trolling you is just projecting his own sexual fantasies.
To summarize, a vendor (a.k.a. Tesla/Musk) is selling a solution for a blackout problem in South Australia.
Now tell me, WHY do you think we should ask the sales guy for the "cost benefit analysis vs. other solutions"?
Because this is Slashdot, the once proud home of technology savvy nerds, but now the rest home for a lot of anti-technology reactionary anti-science people.
Do you honestly think if we burdened Musk with that he's gonna identify a solution other than the one he is selling, even if it was cheaper or better? Give me a break.
The burden of cost/benefit analysis is on the Australian government and no one else. Tough shit if they don't want to expend the time and effort to find a cheaper or better solution.
And no doubt they have looked at the alternatives. One thing to note is that Australia got to their sad state by using some of the alternatives.
And for the folks that have an issue about the guvmint being involved, well, which power source doesn't? Finally though, what is overlooked here by so many is that battery systems are even considered in the mix. With Los Angeles installing a battery peaking system, and now this project, it is just pathetic that so many people here are simply opposed because of because. I guess their sense of wonder at just how impressive we have become at storing electricity in chemical systems has evolved.
From the Sydney Morning Herald:
How much will it cost?
Costs were not detailed on Friday. Tesla founder Elon Musk has previously quoted US$250 ($AU330) per kilowatt-hour "at the pack level" for 100-megawatt-hour-plus systems.
They actually used the term kilowatt hours? Something is very very off there.
Musk has been building an inventory of power-wall batteries because nobody is buying them. They are sitting there costing money, so this is a brilliant play.
There are so many batteries that they are stored in the old set where they filmed the moon landing hoax and chemtrail juice
I don't care about the guy, or how stupid he is. That's not a justification for CNN to pursue his identity. There are LOTS of sleazes on the internet, worse than this guy, the only reason they went after him was the video.
Well of course that's why. There is an old saying, "Never argue with a man who buys his ink by the barrel." Meaning that capturing the attention of journalists in such a manner means they will take a look at you. You look into things. And you publish what you find.
Personally given the content of his other tweets, I would have simply given his name to law enforcement, and been done with it. Then again, I'm not a journalist. And it was a pretty simple process to find out who he was.
A person promoting violence against Whoever is often committing a crime. The silly Trump Professional Wrestling video was kinda humorous, but what it was was a triggering moment. It got their attention. And kind like Trump's tweets about Morning Joe and Mika, it was a reaction. Just that CNN has more tools at their disposal for their reaction
If we venture back a bit, think of Ken Star's investigation of old Slick Willy. What started out as an investigation of the Whitewater S&L fiasco took many morphs, through Paula Jones, through Vince Foster's suicide, ending up eventually at the Monica Lewinsky goo gobbling business.
Point is, once you start looking into something, as would be completely reasonable if the guy caught their attention, you often get a lot more attention. That's how investigative journalism works. That's how even criminal investigations work.
Now the idea that this fellow was promoting violence against people at CNN was likely a stretch. But given his proclivity to suggest unhappy endings to others, that's the sort of thing that gets law enforcement's attention. Also his unintelligent thinking that by pseudo - anonymity that he was free to make those threats would cause one a concern.
On a personal level, I would - just as a concerned citizen, contact the local office of the FBI, give them his name and the process used to out him, and allow them to take over from there. One should alays take threats of violence seriously.
As CNN, I would first give the FBI his name, than lead off with a story with the fellows name, and invite the person to do a Skype interview and speak with him about his other threats. Much more satisfying.
Takeaway is arguing is fun. Threatening people isn't, and it can get you into trouble.
His information was already public so it's not like they dug up private information anyway like Drudge and the like would have you believe. .
His name was not public, they paid people to work to discover his identity. Why were they even looking for him in the first place? they had no idea about his other horrible posts. Witch hunts are OK if you happen to find a witch? That seems to be your rationalization.
A pseudo anonymous person who was promoting violence makes for a pretty good news story. The reason they were looking for him was that once their attention was drawn to the guy, they did like news reporters are supposed to do. When they noted that he promoted violence against others, then it was even due dilegence to find out who he was. And apparently if he was a man of high moral caliber he would have said "My views are correct, so I'm proud to have my own name assigned to them." In fact, he should have done just that after publishing their threat.
But no, he was a typical fucking coward, who is oh so brave promoting violence behind what he stupidly thought was an impenetrable veil of anonymity. Internet Muscles FTW!
That right away shows just how abysmally stupid he was.
That thinking is part of the problem. They're a media outlet. They used to be respectable journalists. And taking offense at a harmless joke is beyond lunacy. The "picked sides" long before 'HanAssholeSolo' created that hilarious 'political cartoon' aka political gif
Remember though, Grandpa in Chief has adopted the policy of hit me and I hit back ten times harder.
So there is precedent.
Anyhow, anyone posting on the intertoobz and thinking that they cannot be identified is fooling themselves. All it takes is the determination and the tools. In this case, just about anyone could have found out the guy's real name. Besides, what's the issue. If he is publishing the truth, then he should be proud to put his name on it.
Without taking sides? The guy obviously posted an anti CNN image, the side to take have already been chosen for them.
And it should be taken as notice that there is really no such a thing as anonymity on the internetz.
When you say "cost" you are book keeping.
Oy - by that definition, there is no wealth anywhere, since humans decide on completely arbitrary things ot attach wealth to. That includes gold.
Well okay, I have to go catch up on some of my imaginary money bookkeeping. Thanks for playing the Most pointless statements ever game - I think you won.