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Oregon Raises the Smoking Age (fastcompany.com)
From a report: Some 95 percent of lifetime smokers pick up the habit before their 21st birthday, so Oregon lawmakers yesterday passed a law making it illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to purchase cigarettes in the hopes of nipping the bad habit in the bud. "By the age of 25, this addiction is cemented in the brain and it becomes very difficult -- almost impossible -- to quit," State Rep. Greg Smith, R-Heppner, told KGW. Oregon is not the first state to do this, and it probably won't be the last. No one under 21 can (lawfully) buy cigarettes in Hawaii, California, Washington, D.C., and Guam to date. It also passed in New Jersey, but noted beachcomber Gov. Chris Christie vetoed the bill -- although it could still become law there. According to the American Cancer Society, at least 250 localities across the country have passed similar local ordinances.
Will it also be illegal to sell ciragettes to anyone under 21?
Will it also be illegal to send those under 21 off to die in wars?
"His name was James Damore."
Yeah, the reasonable law would be to raise the smoking age 1 year every year, no new smokers.
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I imagine 99% of smokers start smoking before age 65, so the age should be raised to 65. Who thinks up this shit? If the addiction is less severe before age 25, then wouldn't banning purchasing cigarettes by people over 25 make more sense?
The proportion who start between 18 and 21 is probably insubstantial. Perhaps the intent is to stop 18 year old high school seniors buying cigs for their younger friends/siblings. Second-hand smoke bothers the hell out of me but I think people should be free to do stupid things that hurt only themselves, therefore I'd advocate banning cigarettes and only allowing vaping.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Why not make the legal age 95? If you live that long, you deserve the right to smoke without the blow back about healthcare costs....
Another note is I have a very addictive personality and smoked (amongst other things) from 13 to 28 and very heavy from about 16. I no longer smoke umm, cigarettes, so I'm the exception that proves the rule, bitch!
Good thing I've never seen anyone below the legal age to buy cigarettes smoking one!
...wait a minute...
It's not a "bad habit," it's a drug addiction.
Garry Knight
States that require someone be 21 years of age to consent to engaging in risky smoking behavior will also ban those under 21 from enlisting in the military, right?
Young people do lots of risky things. Let's be consistent.
"By the age of 25, this addiction is cemented in the brain and it becomes very difficult -- almost impossible -- to quit," State Rep. Greg Smith, R-Heppner, told KGW.
Absolute rubbish. Plenty of people, myself included, have managed to stop smoking after the age of 25. Is being an idiot now a pre-requisite for election to high office in the US?
You need to be 21 to smoke a cigarette, but at 18 you can go into the army and kill people
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB754/Enrolled
It primarily deals with those selling Tobacco Products, with a schedule of new required Paperwork and Fines. It also authorizes retired Police Officers to enforce the Law, with the sole exception for People under the Age of 21 being allowed to purchase Tobacco products for the sole reason of Entrapment when working with these Officers.
It criminalizes the purchase and possession of Tobacco by those under the age of 21, but significantly does not specify what Fines are to be levied against them, but that may be already present in the dozen or two Laws just referenced without explanation. It also criminalizes the smoking of Tobacco in a Motor Vehicle while somebody under the age of 21 is present. There is also a whole lot of cryptic unrelated wording concerning Medical Insurance, which was probably the real point since this was sponsored by Fucking Republicans.
I used heroin to cure my nicotine addiction.
Yeah this would be about as effective as limiting alcohol in the same way. And it's not like the over-18 restriction is particularly effective anyway, most smokers that I know started way before that, probably by 16 already, so this would change pretty much nothing. Good job.
Oregon lawmakers yesterday passed a law making it illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to purchase cigarettes in the hopes of nipping the bad habit in the bud.
So just don't admit that you're purchasing them in hopes of nipping the bad habit in the bud. How many people do that anyway?
Someone who never smoked before, didn't just wake up on the day of his 18 birthday and suddenly decide "Today is the day I start smoking!". That just doesn't happen. They started smoking long before that, in the school yard, due to bad influence of other little sh*ts that got smokes from yet another bad influence on them.
Maybe raise the penalty for getting caught selling to kids or even go as far as arresting those kids smoking in the school yard during recess instead of just turning a blind eye. Pretty much anyone who went outside during recess in high school, were smokers, there's just no other reason to go outside otherwise.
Oregon also made a law this week making all abortions completely free and mandatory with all insurance coverage. So to recap, you need to be 21 to slowly take your own life, but not to take another's (in the military, or that of an unborn child) - plus my tax $ have to pay for it. I knew OR was looney tunes but holy shit. I think if they let you hold an M16 you should be able to handle a fucking cigarette if you so choose.
The age limit should be raised by 1 year, each year, effectively phasing out the industry.
The problem with slashdot is that most of its users were bullied and stuffed into lockers as kids!
Unfortunately it also turns out that if you're going to learn statistics you must do it before you're 23.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This is a feel-good law that accomplishes nothing but wasting taxpayer dollars.
It's a perfect time for being wasted.
A perfect time to watch the stars.
- Burden Brothers, "Beautiful Night"
Your a freeloader, you use services other people's taxes pay for. You go places defended by soldiers paid by other people's taxes. If you want to die slowly by smoking then smoke away, I assume you're over 21 and old enough to be a dumb ass?
As to abortion, you have no fucking idea, how bad it is when your baby might have to be aborted, and you're scrambling around to find money for the amniocentisis tests. What was my wife supposed to do if we couldn't afford the abortion? Carry it to term and let it die after birth? Fuck you, you selfish asshole.
Yeah, the reasonable law would be to raise the smoking age 1 year every year, no new smokers.
No, the reasonable law would be to make the product that kills over 400,000 Americans every year illegal.
Unfortunately, Common F. Sense never seems to prevail over Corruption N. Greed.
This doesn't solve the root cause problem. The root cause problem is some people have addictive personality. Addictive personality in my estimation arises from an inability to cope with the anxieties of life and reality. Therefore the person turns to self medication. If it's not cigarettes, it'll be something else. If we addressed the root problem, the demand for these self medication "fixes" would reduce naturally.
We'll make great pets
"By the age of 25, this addiction is cemented in the brain and it becomes very difficult -- almost impossible -- to quit," State Rep. Greg Smith, R-Heppner, told KGW.
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If 25 is the age that the addiction gets cemented into the brain then why did they only raise the limit to 21? Of course I'd like to know where they got this age of 25 from. Shouldn't it also apply to alcohol?
Of course I'd rather see a total ban on smoking as it doesn't have any good purpose at all. Smokers should be responsible for their own health care costs that are the result of their smoking if they are under a certain age (say 45) unless they are actively trying to quit. They will have free access to smoking cessation help, gum, patches, etc. It's going to take a lot of nicotine gum to cost more than the treatment for lung cancer or a lengthy stay in hospital for emphysema.
Everything is dangerous to our health. ... then die.
Too much water and we die.
Too much oxygen and we die.
Too much milk and we throw up
Adults should be allowed to do whatever it is they want, provided it doesn't harm anyone else or someone elses' property.
If someone wants to kill themselves slowly by smoking cancer sticks, fine. Cocaine, painkillers, whatever other drugs, it is still their decision. If they are physically addicted and ask for help, that help should be provided
If someone wants to kill themselves slowly by overeating, fine. We all know someone like this.
If someone wants to kill themselves by using a gun shot to the head, fine. Had a friend do this 1 Sunday. He left a wife and 2 yr old behind. Sad.
How are we to decide what is best some someone else? Should we try to convince that person these habits are dangerous and bad? Sure! But in the end, it is their decision.
Adults are responsible for their own actions. So ... when is someone an adult? 12, 15, 18, 21, 25, 35? An argument can be made for each of those. I'm inclined to say when they move out from their parents' home, not some age-based date.
I don't think we should ban tobacco. I think we should ban smoking anything where someone else has to breathe it. While we're at it, let's ban chemicals that anyone else can smell. Why is it acceptable to make chemical attacks on people you walk past on the street? No one else should be able to smell you unless they are right up in your business.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The attitude towards smoking has changed so much in my lifetime. When I was in high school (80-85), the area around the door to the student parking lot was the semi-official smoking area. Students could openly smoke without any problems. The teacher lounges were a haze of smoke. The only real restrictions on smoking were restaurants had to offer a "non-smoking" section, bars could be all smoking. Private offices were often OK for smoking, even the downtown office building I worked in circa 1993 still had some accommodation for smoking (smoking lounge, departments could set their own smoking policy -- most banned it totally, but two allowed it, and a couple more allowed it after hours).
Now, it's totally different. No smoking in any restaurant or bar, most buildings ban smoking with a large distance of their doors, pretty much any public place has no smoking at all. Even the parks have banned "tobacco use" (which IMHO is kind of ridiculous, but OK, less litter and the picnic table zone is smoke free). Unless you want to smoke in your own home (most rentals are no-smoking) or in your own car, you're pretty much out luck for smoking.
So I'm kind of curious how many new smokers there are given how inconvenient it is to smoke, especially if you're under 21 or a teenager. Plus there are all the vaping options, which seem like they would be way more attractive (good flavors, little odor so you can get away with it in places you could never smoke). And let's not forget the cost, with all the new taxes, a pack of cigarettes is like $8.
I would think that the rate of adoption for cigarettes would be low enough at this point that new enforcement measures would mostly be for show or a waste of effort. I also wonder if some of the new laws aren't an effort by "stop smoking" organizations looking for fresh PR to keep funding going when it already seems like they could just close shop and declare victory.
No, you are supposed to be a higher order animal, and forgo intercourse if you can't fucking pay for it. Don't make others pay for it, asshole
Death to CNN. Long live the new flesh.
The reasonable law would be one that respects people's freedom to smoke what the fuck they want. Everybody is aware of the health risk. Some people decide the benefit outweighs the risk. Just as an example, smoking is good for people with mental health issues. Would you prefer them to get more anxiety attacks and commit suicide? Leave them the fuck alone.
Because banning shit makes it go away.
So, wouldn't it also be reasonable to ban alcohol use, a product that is responsible for over 85% of all date rapes and is the 4th largest cause of death in the U.S?
Was this not mentioned because you are friends with Mia Vice Izafine and Bee Cuz Ilikait?
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
I started smoking at the age of 12 (and quit at 32), and I never, ever, not even once, had a problem getting cigarettes when I was underage, and I hardly think it's any more difficult for underage people to do the same nowadays.
I'd say put all age restrictions on things - literally everything that is currently legal but with an age restriction - at the same age as the normal age of military service.
If you really want to discourage smoking, ban it from anywhere but a private residence and tax the hell out of it. Make the fine for smoking anywhere but in a private residence double per offense, starting at $50, and if the person smoking is underage, make the parent or legal guardian responsible for the fine. Make the tax for tobacco something like $25 for a pack of cigarettes. Make the fines for selling age restricted products to an underaged person draconian - first offense $5000, second offense you lose your license to sell ANYTHING age restricted, period. Tobacco isn't a necessity, it isn't an essential - tax it as the (stupid, harmful) luxury it is.
Mind you, I don't agree with the notion of doing the above, and I'm not on an anti-smoking crusade, but if the powers that be were actually serious about the public health elements of smoking they'd do more than this weak-tea pandering bullshit. They don't actually want to do anything to really break the back of big tobacco because of $$$, so they just do idiotic things like raise the age for legal purchase which plays well to some people, but is basically ignored.
Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
euh, except there is always a healthy alternative to smoking for those problems. Besides the mental health patients there are literally no benefits to smoking. People only "enjoy" it because it makes them feel worse when they stop, and doesn't make them feel better when they start initially. I don't know any doctor that promotes smoking for mental health patients.
Everybody is aware of the health risk. Some people decide the benefit outweighs the risk.
People smoke because of addiction. I have never met even a reasonably intelligent person who is a smoker who didn't ultimately want to quit. They just didn't have the inner drive to quit yet. Nearly no one is making a benefit / risk analysis when choosing to smoke, they are being driven by addiction.
smoking is good for people with mental health issues. Would you prefer them to get more anxiety attacks and commit suicide?
There is no way you are getting that information from someone with any training in fighting mental health issues. Quitting smoking is well known to help combat mental health issues. Smoking is a very poor method of self medication to reduce stress and anxiety. While smokers may believe otherwise, smoking increases stress and anxiety. Smoking provides a very temporary sense of relaxation and without smoking a few packs a day will create an overall increase in stress and anxiety throughout a smoker's day.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
No, the reasonable law would be to make the product that kills over 400,000 Americans every year illegal.
Banning stuff doesn't make them go away. People tend to smoke because they want to regardless of whether it is illegal. Marijuana smoking rates went from about 10% to 12% in Colorado after it became legal so it isn't like there was a huge population of people who wanted to smoke but didn't only because it was illegal.
Methods such as increasing the legal age and increasing taxes do reduce the number of new smokers, although unfortunately higher taxes have little effect on heavy/long-term smokers. But since it is so hard to get people who still smoke today to quit, stopping new smokers seems to be a practical goal.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
I've been told countless times and we read in every "gun control" forum that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Using that same logic, how can we ever justify "cigarette control" as a way to limit damage or death. The Oregon lawmakers just don't get it. Outlaw certain cigarettes and then only criminals will have them. And the only way to stop a criminal smoker is to make sure we have more and more good citizen smokers on the streets. We're just opening a huge Pandoras Box with these new laws. I advocate for open smoking laws. We should be able to walk around openly smoking with lighters and books of matches slung over our shoulders.
This is the approach Tasmania (a state of Australia) has taken. It is illegal to sell tobacco products to anyone born in 2000 or later.
If you want to curb smoking, just raise the age to 91 instead of 21.
Making cigarettes more expensive works way better in europe then making it illegal.
Just tax it untill a pack costs 15, or even 25, bucks. This will bring smoking down a lot. People don't seem to care much about the health risks. Also raising the minimum age to buy sigarettes does not make them less available.
1. If cigarettes are so bad make them illegal 2. 18 is the legal age of adulthood. 3. If you ban cigarettes a black market will open up. 4. Damn the statistics, get the government out of our lives. No surprise the poorest state is wasting time on this garbage. How many homeless in the west? Portland and SF are full of homeless people and the politicians waste everyone's time with soda taxes and cigarettes.
Bullshit. No one ever smoked their first cigarette because they were addicted. People smoke because they choose to try the experience. They may then become trapped by addiction, but that's not why they started smoking.
Vehicles kill alot of people per year too so let's make them illegal. And didn't Oregon legalize POT smoking? I'm sure that kills people too.
And, although it is illegal to throw burning materials out of a car window, many roadside grass fires will be started by cigarettes. Not that I've ever seen anyone get cited for this. I've seen people flick ashes out onto a following state patrol car.
I suppose the biggest problem is the intent part of the law. The ashes just get blown out of the car through the open window. So, make it an offense to smoke in a vehicle with any windows open. I guarantee that, in addition to reducing the fire problem, this inconvenience will go a long way toward reducing smoking.
Have gnu, will travel.
Know how you get around this restriction?
Grow your own.
I knew people growing tobacco back in high school. One of them grew 'shit tobacco' as he put it to help fund his own tobacco purchases, while selling the low quality stuff he grew to other kids who wanted cheap cigs.
Nowadays literally every farming seed supplier has heirloom tobacco seed of up to dozens of varieties. Aztec, Delaware, Hopi, Dominican, and those are just off the top of my head. You'd need to find the right kinds for the style of consumption you were planning (whether cigarette, cigar, pipe, or chew) and proper processing technique, but besides bragging rights for doing so you get around basically all laws relating to tobacco restrictions and bonus: you learn a valuable trade skill while also having an under the table economic fallback if you really need money. I am not condoning illegal activity, but given the number of people I've met or heard secondhand stories about funding their high school/college years through drug sales, in part because it is almost impossible to get a decent paying job as a high schooler (especially one without A or B level grades) there aren't many business opportunities for much of the US's minor population, unless you've got a 'hook up'.
Having said that, you can now get seeds for almost anything you want in the world. Find out your local agriculture restrictions, then go crazy, even if you're in an apartment, all you need is a couple windows, or LED grow lights (which have gotten quite good in the past few years) and you can grow anything you're willing to maintain to 'still fits through the door' size. Lots of these plants could help you to reduce reliable on expensive spices or foodstuffs, although some would obviously take up too much room to harvest a sufficient supply. Tobacco, Potatoes, Tomatoes, Sugar Cane, and a variety of other kinds of plants will provide plenty given limited space as long as you can keep them watered, sunned, and in some cases fertilized.
1 "I can quit any time" - denial
2 "I will quit when I'm ready" -negotiation
3 "I enjoy it too much to quit" - rationalization
4 "It's the only thing I have left to enjoy." - capitulation
5 "I don't want to die!" - reality
Followed by the ultimate personal smoking experience - cremation. Do you really want to be "smoking hot"?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
"Pot" has not killed anyone, ever.
Bullshit. No one ever smoked their first cigarette because they were addicted. People smoke because they choose to try the experience. They may then become trapped by addiction, but that's not why they started smoking.
Learn to read. Even you quoted it - "People smoke because of addition." This does not state that they started because they were addicted, but that they continue because the're addicted.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
If they really cared about stopping smoking they would ban that shit. Problem is, so many people smoke that would effectively remove a huge chunk of tax revenue.
Seen more and more early 20's smoking, especially girls. Weird as I've seen smoking decline quite a bit in the last 15 years.
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It often does. We made fireplaces and wood stoves illegal to reduce particulates (and added $5,000 fines for non-compliance). Worked like a charm.
We made driving without a seatbelt illegal, and added $92 fines. Very high rates of compliance.
We made it illegal to smoke in restaurants, work, enclosed public spaces, and certain outdoor spaces include outdoor restaurant terrasses and patios. with fines starting at $250 - $750 for the individual for a first offense. Nobody smokes in restaurants any more. Maximum fines can reach $250,000. Get caught selling tobacco products to a kid, pay $3000. Really cut down on sales of cigarettes to minors.
Awards for discrimination can go up to $50,000 or more, at a simple hearing where you don't even need a lawyer. People have an incentive to behave better.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I would leave the country and piss on you on the way out.
Yeah, the reasonable law would be to raise the smoking age 1 year every year, no new smokers.
No, the reasonable law would be to make the product that kills over 400,000 Americans every year illegal.
Unfortunately, Common F. Sense never seems to prevail over Corruption N. Greed.
With that logic, we should make booze illegal again.
lol worked so well with weed, that a hand full of states said "fuck it get high if you want to"
Where in he legal system does it allow full citizens who are considered fully independent adults to be discriminated against because of their age?
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
I recognise the sentiment, but don't see any relationship to socialism. Are other political philosophies incapable of making laws?
Most people start smoking well before 18. Another stupid law that accomplishes absolutely nothing.
It's an authoritarian approach, not one along the socialist/capitalist axis (the reasoning behind it may potentially although not necessarily lay anywhere along that axis, however). Some people just aren't equipped with the tools of thought to make any kind of political observation, just shout their team name blindly. Such is life.
Teens have always had access to tobacco no mater what restrictions were. Unless they plan for incarcerations or large fines, this is just tilting at windmills.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
And didn't Oregon legalize POT smoking? I'm sure that kills people too.
Apparently you have never smoked weed. It id not like the 1930's movie "Refer Madness" You dont turn insane after one hit. Honestly it has some good mental health effects. The main reason I smoke weed is because I like it, taste, smell, feeling.. the whole thing. But it also relieves stress and occasional panic attacks my job tends to give me. Now, without weed. I'm sure I would have more homicidal feelings than I do currently(peoples stupidity makes me want to kill them). I live in Las Vegas, where recently was made legal to buy and consume in the privacy of your home. I can tell you that I didn't just start smoking weed last month. Back to your comment. I believe that weed not only DOESN'T kill people... But probably has saved peoples lives a time or two after what would have turned into a crime of passion, into a "fuck it I'm too high to care".
*does math.. takes shoes off*
Uhh that would make the legal buying age 17 wouldn't it? Or did I not count my little piggies correctly?
ROFLMFAO
Do you see the trend here $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ greed, filthy greed that made us looooooose are rights for profit, greed has ruined this country, not smoking, drinking, sex
Oh, what about the children !!
One of the only countries in the world that does drug tests to work (illegal in countries outside the US because it invades privacy and is against the law to do so), my time off weekends, vacation, I should be able to smoke a joint if I want to and not be punished. lol free country, my privacy rights my @ss
One of the only countries in the world that does credit checks to work/etc ...
Outside the US, 18 years old (except Canada, 19) and you are an adult and can do what you please, smoke, drink, sex, etc ..
I could go on, I won't, I am embarrassed at what has happened to this country and people like you that think this stuff is ok, perhaps you should live in russia or china= communism, oh wait, even in a communism state you don't have drug tests to work, you can smoke, drink, sex, hell they actually have more freedom and fun than the US, talk to Snowden or anyone else that has been there, I have, I had a great time.
Pay for education/health insurance ?? No-one in this GREAT, FREE country should pay for education/health insurance (greed)
We are a third world country when it comes to education/health insurance, and the most expensive, and it shows, just read this whole discussion, look at the people saying 18 is not old enough to smoke, drink, live, but, work to 70+ years old, then enjoy a few years of life after the government & states drained so much money and rights from you.
You can go to war and die at 18 but not drink or smoke ?
WTF is wrong with you people ??
Freedom, freedom, freedom (basic fscking principles of how life use to be in the US )
People wonder why other countries don't like us, mock us, laugh there @sses off at us (I own a home in the US & England, 3 of my 5 kids live & work in England).
You people must be blind or you were bought into this scheme.
The scheme being that 98% of the countries out there have more rights and freedom than the
LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE
I miss the 60's & 70's, our ancestors and founding fathers are rolling in their graves at what the fsck has happened to this country
Home of the free & brave BULLSH!T
I wonder how many people in my age group 61-70 agrees with any of this bulls!t that these young spoiled whippersnappers are trying to say is justified.
The USA is one fsck up place to live now and is getting worse.
It makes me sick to my stomach to see most of these responses and people trying to justify ......
end of rant
What is the law regarding smoking? Great, folks under 21 can't buy cigarettes, what is the law regarding consumption?
Ken
Actually, in the past few years it has been discovered that nicotine uniquely relieves the negative symptoms of schizophrenia.
It is notable that cigarette smoke includes a MAO inhibitor. We used to use those for depression and still do in refractory cases.
Interestingly, it is the combination of nicotine and the MAOI that makes cigarettes so addictive. The nicotine alone really isn't that hard to taper down and then off (though it might take a while). The patch might actually work if it delivered enough nicotine to help cover the loss of the MAOI initially.
Nor your concern.
Or, they can't sell to anyone born in 2000 or later... ever.
Lets just skip to the end, then, and force people to live out their lives in concrete boxes where every aspect is hypercontrolled for maximum efficiency and minimum impact on The People. One of the primary reasons people resist socialism is that it always results in some form of authoritarianism. Once something is publicly funded, that something can now be considered 'under threat' by the state, with any 'threatening' action it doesn't like conveniently deemed 'threatening' and 'curtailed,' usually with life-altering penalties. A cascade of power grabs then commences.
As a lifelong non smoker who loathes any sort of smoke, I would never want to live in your smoke free dystopian hell. There'd be too many sacrifices of liberty in too many areas.
Awards for discrimination can go up to $50,000 or more, at a simple hearing where you don't even need a lawyer. People have an incentive to behave better.
Ahh, of course you'd say something like this. When in doubt, use fear, amirite comrade?
Why treat an adult like a child? Either people are or are not adults at 18.
If they are an adult, they should have the same rights of any other adult.
As mentioned, they can die in a war, kill people with the government's blessing and have other adult responsibilities.
If they're not mature enough to judge whether or not they should be smoking (or drinking for that matter) than perhaps we should reinstate the age of majority at 21 and similarly, not allow anyone to enter the armed forces until that age.
It is hypocrisy to do otherwise.
Can't sell to people born in 2000 or later EVER. At the time of introduction 18 was the legal ago for buying tobacco products and people born in 2000 well under that age. The logic was it made the implementation easier for the person behind the counter
And your joint is safer than unfiltered cigarettes exactly how? Smoke inhalation is smoke inhalation. Used to see most news reports on fires before oxygen masks where at least one firefighter was treated for smoke inhalation. Grass doesn't make the smoke magically good for your lungs. Tar is the primary lung-damaging component, and is a result of burning. Doesn't matter the source.
The problem with these laws is that they are totally unfair to the 18-20 crowd that may have already been smoking for a time, have the additcion, and now suddenly can't legally buy smokes.
What should have been done is a gradual ageing out of all who are not 18 by a given date that has not yet occurred (in other words, those 17 now, won't ever get the chance to legally start smoking until 21).
The other problem is folks who move into the state from elsewhere that allowed 18-20, especially the military.
I dislike smoking, especially as I have a child with asthma and many smokers are inconsiderate, even when told this. I dislike the financial waste and health problems it causes folks. But, it doesn't seem right to rip away an ability from a legal adult who has been allowed to exercise that ability. For this reason, I think long-term this is a good idea. Banning all smoking on public education grounds makes a lot of sense as well, as many pick up smoking right out of high school while attending college.
Okay, so they changed the age to 21...when I was a teenager the majority of "new" smokers were well under the legal age of 18. Along with all the new alcoholics-in-training being well under 21. All they've done is made it easier to be a "criminal." The only people this is going to have any actual effect on is the poor and disadvantaged. Just another reason for a cop to hassle someone where they would otherwise have no reason.
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Make no mistake; they saw it as a taxable and easily regulated market that would expand the coffers a bit. Whether it gets used to benefit the states' people is yet to be seen.
thats the dumbest shit ive ever heard.
Why?
Seemed like a logical one to me. It was implemented in 2016. Rather than picking 1998 they went 2000 as the cut off. The idea being that smoking would become extinct.
I am not an American, nor do I want to be one. You keep cutting back on things that we, and much of the rest of the western world, consider as basic rights.
You obviously don't know Canada. We imposed the fireplace ban in my city and many others, not because of $$$, but to save $$$. Fireplaces are not net heat sources, so you're using your main heating system to heat air going up the chimney. Also, the extra pollution adds to health care costs and lost productivity.
Also, the vast majority of Canadians live in provinces where the age of majority is 18. The age for a teenager's medical records being private from the parent is 14. Parents cannot be informed of doctors visits, or even abortions, and can't see their kids records without the kids consent.
But yes, the rest of the world agrees that "the USA is one fsck up place to live now and is getting worse." But you only have yourselves to blame. After all, you got the successive governments you deserved over the last 40 years that led you to where you are now. And nothing will change, because you won't even do basic campaign finance reform. Your owners won't let you.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
What dystopian hell? Where people aren't subjected to second-hand smoke? Where tobacco companies, who have a long history of targeting kids, are loathed for doing so, and are not allowed to do that sort of shit any more?
Awards for discrimination can go up to $50,000 or more, at a simple hearing where you don't even need a lawyer. People have an incentive to behave better.
Ahh, of course you'd say something like this. When in doubt, use fear, amirite comrade?
Violate my rights, I sure as hell have the right to put a bit of fear into you. Or make you pay for it. You clowns with your stupid libertarian arguments seem to think that rights only count when they're your rights being trampled on, and you should be free to do whatever the hell you want because "rules == socialism == communism". Go live in a social democracy for a while and you'll see there's a lot more freedom than people in the US enjoy.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I think it would put a huge dent in it for a number of reasons:
* There is no current infrastructure for growing, distributing and selling illegal tobacco (Yes, I'm ignoring the cigarettes which are smuggled to avoid taxes because I believe most of those are grown and produced legally)
* Growing your own tobacco would be a huge hassle for the average smoker unlike growing a little marijuana or making your own moonshine
* Unlike weed and booze just about all cigarette smokers are regular daily, sometimes even hourly or more users. Keeping yourself in illegal tobacco is going to be a pain and you'd probably end up buying loose low-quality tobacco that doesn't taste anything like your Marlboro or your Camel Lights* and you'll have to roll your own.
* The stench will give users away as it does now. Cops will quickly switch from saying they think they smell marijuana to I know I smell cigarettes.
As an former smoker I just don't think I'd want to go through all the hassle I've gone through to get illegal tobacco that I went through to get illegal marijuana. I expect it would be expensive and of poor quality and everyone who got near me would know it. And you thought marijuana could make you paranoid?
It might thrive in certain communities I suppose but if it were suddenly as illegal as marijuana used to be and it was enforced I see the number of users going down, especially new users.
With all that said, it's not going to happen in the foreseeable future. Too many people would object way too strongly to it. I would object to it. It's an infringement on freedom.
The best they can do is make it illegal to smoke anywhere which it seems they're working on.
* - I just remembered. They don't sell "lights" anymore. I had quit long enough that at some point they forced them to stop calling them "lights" which was confusing when I decided to buy a pack a few years back. I quit again for good after that pack.
I did not smoke "lights" because I thought they were safer. That would be stupid. They were milder. But the theory that smokers would think "lights" weren't as bad was the logic they used which I guess the tobacco companies are to blame for for running all those ads bragging about their low tar content. "Carlton is Lowest".
But that's not going to work, or murder would be extinct. And a plethora of other things. All they did was pull a "Do as I say not as I do" move.
If the number of smokers fell to the number of murderers, then it would be among the greatest legislation successes in history.
Good for them.
Now, could you foreigners go and get back to worshiping at the altar of big government and let us adults in the U.S.A. (who've had some experiences with large, tyrannical governments) discuss things?
Is it safe to assume that you would also support making all forms of alcohol illegal too? Considering the CDC reports that: alcohol abuse is the third highest cause of death in the U.S. I just want to make sure that your suggestion is fair to all forms of dangerous substances, and not just singling out smoking because you don't smoke.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
It looks like it has not been passed: http://www.abc.net.au/news/201...
I have always been a proponent of enacting legislation that creeps its way to the places I would like it to get: Maybe every two years increase the smoking age by one year. Every five or ten years add another statutory holiday. Every five years reduce the standard working week by an hour.
Similarly we should peg the minimum wage to be some fraction of the legislators' salary, or set a company's minimum salary to some fraction of the maximum compensation recieved by the executives.
Ah, Canada is less than 10 miles from my house
Our malls, gas stations, grocery stores, clothing shops, etc .. are packed with Canadians
Ask any one of them why they come here and shop
It's too expensive to live in Canada
Really? Damn. I could have sworn that was passed.
I didn't do an exhaustive search but the bits I saw seemed to all be "this is an idea being floated" types of things, and the "official" tobacco restrictions lists for Tasmania did not mention it.
I was working from memory of news items I'd seen in the past. I didn't go and check the bill, I just remembered seeing it on the news.
Bit disappointed it's not gone through tbh.
Obviously not true that it's "too expensive to live in Canada", because most of us manage to do it.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
You and your wife enjoying a drink is not characterized as rape with the official stats. Sadly, your purely emotional response had no links or facts to make your argument, so it can't really be taken seriously.
But hey, you think rape is cool.
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
You said I proved something. Yet you offered no proof. So, who exactly is the moron?
Hint (look in the mirror)
The only thing we can be sure of is that you got modded to 2 for this. So, either you are self modding on a different account, or morons run in packs and mod nonsensical things up. Sad.
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
A quick check shows that accusing people you disagree with of self-modding is your "go-to". Also from today to another poster:
Btw Nazi, This is a very old thread that no one else is reading. It is so pathetic that you are self modding yourself up. But then again, Nazi are pretty insecure.
What a lamer crybaby.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
As I said elsewhere, you've been caught. You used the exact same tactic of accusing someone who disagrees with you of self-modding, on the same day. Not too smart, are you now? If you're going to try trolling, at least don't be quite so pathetically obvious.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.