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Software Engineer Loses Life Savings in Quadriga Imbroglio (bloomberg.com)

Tong Zou wasn't a stereotypical crypto bro bent on accumulating flashy trophies such as Lamborghinis when he deposited his life savings into Quadriga CX's digital exchange. The 30-year-old software engineer, who'd been working in California for seven years, just wanted to save a few bucks on transfer fees after deciding to move to Vancouver. It proved to be a C$560,000 ($422,000) mistake. From a report: "It's all my savings, so I'm just living on what little I have left and trying to start over," Zou said in a phone interview Friday from Vancouver, where he has been living out of an AirBnB for the past month. "It pretty much took everything away from me." Zou is one of Quadriga's 115,000 clients who are out of luck after the sudden death of the firm's founder left C$190 million in cryptocurrencies protected by his passwords unretrievable. The exchange has halted operations and was granted protection from creditors on Feb. 5 in Nova Scotia Supreme Court in Halifax.

358 comments

  1. Sterotype much? by sinij · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "crypto bro bent on accumulating flashy trophies" ? Misandry much?

    1. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the whole point of a negated reference.

    2. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hm, maybe fully deregulated commodities managed by a bunch of idiot tech bros was a bad idea?

    3. Re:Sterotype much? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Nah - a real crypto bro would have had his money in one of his frat bro's BTC exchanges whose funds were protected by his unbreakable password: password.

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      That is all.
    4. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bro, I live for trophies. I code, I get dem trophies dude.

    5. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe. Or maybe he was one of these guys who ought to get beaten up in secret rather than his opinion, which was probably that he should be brought to the most visible place in the city and have his feet kissed.

    6. Re:Sterotype much? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Probably the same dolt who would whine about trigger warnings and how "libs are snowflakes."

    7. Re:Sterotype much? by sinij · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about some consistency in your outrage? If sexism is bad, then all forms of it are bad?

    8. Re: Sterotype much? by mattyj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      De-regulated? Try never regulated. People invest in imaginary money at their own peril.

    9. Re:Sterotype much? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 0

      Why? You'll never marry a woman, incel.

    10. Re:Sterotype much? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 0, Troll

      *irony meter explodes*

      I don't have any outrage, snowflake. Go back to your safe space, little incel boy.

    11. Re:Sterotype much? by hey! · · Score: 2

      Well, I do think there's a huge problem with widespread acceptance of stereotypes of male behavior. However that doesn't mean that examples of that behavior don't exist,or that they aren't more likely to be men than women. This just doesn't say anything about being a man per se. P(A|B) P(B|A).

      Marketing studies of cryptocurrency show that speculation is dominated by men; some figures show men making up 97% of Bitcoin speculators. However that doesn't mean that all men who use Bitcoin are speculators, nor that even using Bitcoin is common among men as a whole.

      Examples of the "crypto-bro" stereotype no doubt exist. This is tied to the greater emphasis for men in the gene-swapping market on social fitness, as opposed to the greater emphasis on physical fertility cues for women. Such men are no more typical of ordinary men than Instagram models are of ordinary women.

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    12. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bro doesnâ(TM)t have near the negative connotations.

      Dictionary much?

    13. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you watch a lot of CNN and FoxNews. They've practically redefined your vocabulary, haven't they? Aren't you the mockingbird..

    14. Re:Sterotype much? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is the word "bro" sexist and how is it even remotely the same as calling anyone a slut? I'm pretty sure lots of men would be surprised that they were being sexist when they call their friends "bros."

      You snowflakes are so adorable.

    15. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Welcome to 2019 identity politics where it's ok to discriminate as long as you do it against Straight White Males.

      What do you mean it's okay to be a judgmental (insert racially insensitive slur, because that is just insulting your own intelligence to insult someone else you don't really know)?

      As far as I'm concerned, all these SJW who insult their own intelligence with insults against other "races" and are showing how stupid (aka color hatred) they are when even the idea of a "race" shows up in their lingo... Go find some real facts to fight for or some real cause to fight for like education costs and education loans that are going to hold down the entire future generation from saving, etc. Want to talk about wealth skimming?

      The only "good job" remark goes to the wealthy elite who do an excellent job playing the "racial card" or the news media for letting it play out with fictional "races" ... In every culture, white or black or any shade in between, there's always some group of people who prefer to be wealthy and more organized than the masses and mobs of idiots... You're either organized or your just another mob member that will starve to death the moment the organizers are gone. So ask yourself, are you more organized than the wealthy and is that the sole reason you're where you are?

    16. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what alternate universe do you live in where bro has ever been a sexist term?

    17. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's two other words to the left of your quote: "wasn't a"

      What a fricking moron. Can't even read the entire first sentence of the summary, let alone TFA.

    18. Re:Sterotype much? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 0

      Screw you.

      No thanks. You can save that for your right hand, snowflake.

      is the software engineer a "bro", especially considering he's an Asian man?

      This question is dumb as fuck. The term "bro" has nothing to do with ethnicity or nationality. Of course there are Asian 'bros'.

    19. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      awwww some milquetoast is butthurt because his privilege erodes!

    20. Re:Sterotype much? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 0

      He was too busy being triggered to read.

    21. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How sexist of you. Assuming that only women can be gold diggers.

    22. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks, needed to unload a bunch of mod points. your trolling made it easy

    23. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well she did ask for it, if "is that vodka?" is asking for it.

    24. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation please?

      Some of us do not understand about... well anything either of you just said and are feeling left out.

    25. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toughen up nancy boy.

    26. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowflake much? Need a safe space?

      Shit. Thought I was on Reddit for a minute. When did this bullshit form of discourse penetrate /.?
      Is there no place sacred from this knuckle-dragging dribble of name-calling and counter-insulting?

    27. Re: Sterotype much? by taustin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters. And 'tard fights. Lots and lots of 'tard fights.

    28. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The word "bro" can be used in a sexist manner, like in Hillary's 2016 campaign complaining about "Bernie Bros".

    29. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty much labelling people...so you weren't missing out so much if you read the original article from Bloomberg--- and the first paragraph read like a Hollywood depiction of a guy that dabbled a little into cryptocurrency.

    30. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about npc?

    31. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for loosing the money, il rather be a techbro by your standard sitting on 500k$ in cash than being a whiny little cunt, because this techbro makes more money and has techbro privilege.

    32. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the word "bitch" referring to a female dog is just a normal noun.

    33. Re:Sterotype much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      How about some consistency in your outrage? If sexism is bad, then all forms of it are bad?

      That is not how it works and you know it

      Men cannot suffer sexism: https://www.bustle.com/article...,

      Literally. Never.

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    34. Re:Sterotype much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      How is the word "bro" sexist and how is it even remotely the same as calling anyone a slut? I'm pretty sure lots of men would be surprised that they were being sexist when they call their friends "bros."

      You snowflakes are so adorable.

      Allow me to illustrate

      "Tong Zou wasn't a stereotypical crypto bro bent on accumulating flashy trophies such as Lamborghinis when he deposited his life savings into Quadriga CX's digital exchange."

      Ming Zou wasn't a stereotypical Crypto babe bent on accumulating flashy trophies such as huge wardrobes and a cloet full of shoes and makeup when she deposited her life's savings into.......

      Now, it isn't such a big deal these days, because society is pretty much accustomed to great sensitivity if a female is involved, and men can be painted anyway we feel like. But its real and it's there.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    35. Re: Sterotype much? by mfearby · · Score: 1

      I wish I could +1 this reply. Fancy putting your entire life savings (and a significant amount at that!) into crypto-currency!? He should have at least only put in 50% and kept the other 50% as real money. People putting all their eggs in one basket inevitably get taught a very harsh lesson.

    36. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. But on the bright side he's the kinda guy that makes $400,000 in under 10 years.

    37. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to 2019 identity politics where it's ok to discriminate as long as you do it against Straight White Males.

      Nah, dude, you have it all wrong ... but thanks for demonstrating you're an idiot, and dare I venture an incel and a men's rights advocate.

      Crypto bro implies nouveaux-riche douchebag, which don't have to be straight white males.

      As much as your tiny penis and fragile ego want to make this about you, it really is about the fact that douchebag isn't a protected class of anything .. nor, for that matter, is whiny straight white male.

      Stop being a pussy, grow a pair, and stop blaming the world for the fact that you're a pathetic loser.

    38. Re:Sterotype much? by pz · · Score: 1

      Hell, I call my brother "bro".

      That's sexist?

      I mean, he's my BROTHER. Like, we have the same parents. We look alike. A lot alike. Our DNA is highly similar. As in more highly similar than essentially anyone else on the planet, except for our sister, whom I call SIS ... oh shit, is THAT sexist too?

      Crap, this is getting too confusing. Call me when this insanity is over, I'm going on permanent vacation in the Brohama ... no, wait, BAHamas. Sorry about that.

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      Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
    39. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      found the bro, and I don't even lift

    40. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure lots of men would be surprised that they were being sexist when they call their friends "bros."

      I'm pretty sure lots of women would be surprised that they were being sexist when they call their friends "bitches."

    41. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man hating bs. If the author had any credible arguments, would refrain from brushing all boys under the same comb. Today it is proven that boys are oppressed in school systems, and a growing concern. According to the article, that is institutionalized, therefore sexism. Also somebody can be oppressed regardless of gender. Biggest sign is when not acknowledged, typical for oppressors.

      Probably just a troll article.

    42. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's a stereotype. That's why the word immediately _preceeding_ the fragment you quoted is _literally_ the word "stereotypical".

      Are you denying the existence of the stereotype? Are you somehow implying that the existence of it is a slur on men in general?

      I'm really not sure what your actual problem with - but it certainly hit a raw nerve.

    43. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ, but MRAs are the whiniest pussies on the planet.

    44. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Amazon should be free to avoid paying taxes, then use those savings to lie to your kiddies in sex ed??

    45. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incel snowflake?

      Is this what they feminazis teach you in gender studies?

      Sounds like equality to me...

    46. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes it does.

      Still living under that rock?

    47. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, toxic feminism, prime example.

      Thanks!

    48. Re:Sterotype much? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the linked article can't even manage to be factually accurate at the most basic level. For example, Men are a majority now? Nope.

      There is no institutional bias against men? The author of the article has apparently never heard of schools, or universities, who literally advertise that they don't accept men for everything from scholarships to groups and centers paid for by male student fees.

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    49. Re: Sterotype much? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Men being forced to go to war while women aren't is the very epitome of sexism. See draft, press gang, White Feather etc etc.

    50. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's so wrong you must either be a troll or a retard.

    51. Re:Sterotype much? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      LOL...You link to a sexist article as evidence that men can not suffer from sexism? There is literally no proof provided in that article, only opinion.

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    52. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I wonder is whether you guys actually believe the crap you write, or are you just trolling? I mean, do you actually know how embarrassing your argument is?

      It's like a window into the world of the mentally retarded.

    53. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I'm not a Moody incel who feels affected by this, with everything being labelled as toxic masculinity, including eating meat, it's somewhat ironic that it's seems that no women are willing to listen to the male voice in response to these accusations, when one of the very actions apparently needed to combat this so called toxic masculinity is to get men to talk about their feelings.

    54. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and many black people call each other nigga, and i know groups of women who call each other 'bitches'.

      If I call them those terms its insulting.

      I can call my friends bro. Use it as an insult, and of course I'll take it as an insult.

    55. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because - this likely is not his first rodeo.
      He potentially parlayed his previous crypto winnings into Quadriga.

    56. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ayyy broseph!

    57. Re: Sterotype much? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Men being expected to die for their country while women aren't isn't sexist. Only in your weird world.

    58. Re:Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A better comparison would be between "bro" and "chick": both are used affectionately between friends, but can be pejorative in other contexts.

      The word "slut" is more closely analogous to "creep": both are almost exclusively pejorative, and refer to an individual expressing a sexuality of which the speaker disapproves.

    59. Re: Sterotype much? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Please. It's 2019 and we are all aware of the need for secure passwords. Obviously it would be "Pasword1!".

    60. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're all equal comrades.

      It's just that the pigs are MORE equal.

    61. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New meta: make your opinion invincible by claiming all counter arguments are inherently invalid.

      "It's not sexism when it's againt men" says the rabid sexist. Can you even fathom the level of privilege someone must have grown up on to even conceive of this notion? Air so rare you can dismiss and entite gender out of hand, because you're used to doing it and you think so little of them.

      Men, don't stand to be treated like trash any longer. Please.

    62. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If women demand equality, it's time you give them equality.

      Nothing they day or do can be held to anything greater or lesser than the standard they demanded.

      This is what they want. Give it to them. Don't suck it up any longer, that is pointless and only hurts everyone.

    63. Re:Sterotype much? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I think it should be fairly obvious that the usage in the summary is meant to be derogatory. Just like the word Brother has multiple meanings in common use. Is its use sexist in that context, probably, but I wouldn't put it on the same level as calling a woman a hoe.

    64. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You literally open your counter argument with feminist rhetoric.

      You even made fun of people who have such low social standing with women that they cannot have sex because women reject them out of hand.

      Then you infer that no one should stand up for men's rights?

      What kind idiot are you? Besides a complete tool that is obviously willing to be a slave for no return on investment.

      Stop being a fool kid

    65. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That IS a problem though, women have such insane levels of privilege (and have through out all of time, obviously) that if men lose all ability and privileges to function in society then you'll see some abhorrent things occur.

    66. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha. Frat kids don't buy crypto. Nerds do. Bro isn't a term that should be associated with nerdy stuff, that's juat an attempt to make it sound negative.

      Crypto isn't bad. nerds arnt bad. Risk isn't bad. Men arnt bad.

      Bro is a term you're using to make it seem like it is something unintelligent and ridiculous. Nothing like that is true though.

      This is the story of bad luck. Why is it being inflated to such bizarre levels?

    67. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incel snowflakes are the footsoldiers of feminists.

      More aptly known as cuck snowflakes, or soyflakes, since they're involuntarily celebate, but through cuckolding or castration

      Their girlfriend is usually having sex with the guy that hits the gym and refuses to use made up pronouns

      Thats generally where the pent up rage comes from.

    68. Re:Sterotype much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      LOL...You link to a sexist article as evidence that men can not suffer from sexism? There is literally no proof provided in that article, only opinion.

      Whoosh! Way to not get the point.

      Of course that is a sexist article. It is a horribly sexist article, and tries to turn men into evil monsters, yet the very same actions can be taken against males, but it somehow becomes good and just.

      The part I was being dead serious about was that society accepts that as truth.

      Actual truth is that if someone stereotypes or pre-judges anyone on the genitals between their legs, they are sexist bigots. The writer of that article, one Kat George, is a horrible sexist bigot. On the level of people who think that chocolate people are not humans.

      One does not get a free pass that a woman can spew any amount of hatred she desires and get a free pass unless one believes that women are not capable of saying intelligent things. This is why I believe that modern feminism is simply trying to make weakness a virtue.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    69. Re:Sterotype much? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Be clear, or be called out. Sarcasm doesn't translate easily online.

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    70. Re: Sterotype much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      While I'm not a Moody incel who feels affected by this, with everything being labelled as toxic masculinity, including eating meat, it's somewhat ironic that it's seems that no women are willing to listen to the male voice in response to these accusations, when one of the very actions apparently needed to combat this so called toxic masculinity is to get men to talk about their feelings.

      It is a difficult situation. Even my wife, who is more of a second waver (she believes if a woman can do a job, she should be able to do it, and no one is going to stop her (strong woman model, as opposed to present day weak woman model) talking with women about "feelings" can be a real problem. I tried a few times, and she freaked badly.

      Complicated as all hell. We hear that we are supposed to talk about feelings, but even when I was younger and unmarried, I had much better success with the ladies by being more aloof and assertive. The one time I tried being more sensitive and with a woman who professed to like me in a romantic fashion (according to friends), I got friend zoned pronto. From having the hots for me to "Let's just be friends." in a minute.

      Despite being told the opposite, I'm convinced that in so many ways, women by nature like guys that take charge. I'm not talking about cruel or violent, but assertive and never clingy.

      And now there is this weird "incel" shaming business. We shouldn't shame involuntary celibates. There hardly is such a thing, perhaps some guy who was in an accident and can't get it up any more.

      It's a problem of mixed and contradictory signals, exacerbated by social media judgements. It has made many males simply unsure how to approach women who have been raised to hate men. Despite the gender studies bigoted rhetoric, most men would never harm a woman, respect her, and are usually just looking for love. And sex of course. But when the signals get too weird, they pull back.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    71. Re: Sterotype much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Men being expected to die for their country while women aren't isn't sexist. Only in your weird world.

      Males are a utility.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    72. Re:Sterotype much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Be clear, or be called out. Sarcasm doesn't translate easily online.

      Meh, people should gain comprehension skills to. Otherwise we'll be telling people "This is a joke" before telling any joke.

      Now, even a literal interpretation of my statement must be taken as true. Because the writer of the obvious sexist article gets no calling out, She's probably getting high fives from her friends because she's "telling it like it is" and serving the sisterhood.

      Society just accepts her bigotry, Hence when sinij wrote:

      "How about some consistency in your outrage? If sexism is bad, then all forms of it are bad?"

      To which I replied in the first line of my reply:

      "That is not how it works and you know it" followed by an exact illustration of exactly why that isn't how it works, with a link to an article where a bigoted woman explains why it is not possible for men to experience sexism.

      But hey, I'm always ready to explain things to people who might have trouble. Even ones who get a bit of an attitude about it.

      Let me know if you need it explained in more depth - I'm only too happy to type up long dissertations to help people understand.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    73. Re:Sterotype much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, the linked article can't even manage to be factually accurate at the most basic level. For example, Men are a majority now? Nope.

      There is no institutional bias against men? The author of the article has apparently never heard of schools, or universities, who literally advertise that they don't accept men for everything from scholarships to groups and centers paid for by male student fees.

      Oh man, and is this ever causing a problem. Males are a marked minority among college students https://www.theatlantic.com/ed... and getting worse.

      Very little attention ois being paid to this at the college level, I suspect that it is considered a little less of a problem for the victims - but it is the beginnings of a real problem. The path chosen for modern women is to get a degree, then work until your mid 30's early 40's, then find a husband and immediately start fertility treatments in order to have a child.

      But these ladies are having a problem finding a male that meets their expectation. To Google "where have all the good men gone brings up a plethora of results. Most often posed by women, discussed by women, and solutions proposed by women. And usually with a fine smattering of misandry.

      When in fact, the qualifications for a "good man" means a college education, having their own place, making more than her, and then there are the physical qualifications. Tall, handsome, ripped. Then there are the life choice demands, which are to be ready to immediately start fertility treatments in a race against the clock.

      Oh-ohhh, that college education demand. As we are nearing a 75 to 25 Percent female versus male degree status, right away we have a severe problem.

      Coupled with the other demands, these women are going to have a real problem finding mates. A male that fits their demands is probably not looking for a woman of that age and is not looking to become a father at such a late age.

      Probably the best article about the problem is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/fe...

      Even then, the article starts out: "Where have all the good men gone? These sassy, sophisticated, solvent women say they are struggling to find other halves that can measure up.

      No shit.

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    74. Re: Sterotype much? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Provide basic needs and are heavily regulated? Sounds about right.

    75. Re:Sterotype much? by FearTheDonut · · Score: 1

      Every other day I have mod points.. Except today. Wish I could Mod you up.

    76. Re:Sterotype much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Every other day I have mod points.. Except today. Wish I could Mod you up.

      And by the way, for those who might think that what I wrote is some misogynistic screed, this is a problem as noted by women.

      Somewhere along the line, the "I can have it all" commandment has morphed into "I have no boundaries - not biology or physics - what I wish cannot be denied me!".

      Odd too - my wife and I chose the have a child early, then she hit the afterburners on her career. It worked too, as she paced me in earnings. She was paid much more than the owner.

      And when she interviewed for her career job, she told the owner of the business "I know you aren't allowed to ask this question, but I'm not having any more children, and have the medical records to prove it."

      Alpha chicks on afterburners, amirite?

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    77. Re: Sterotype much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feminism has never been about equality. It has always been about power. Equality was achieved long ago. There is still plenty of power up for grabs. Feminists won't stop until they have all of it.

  2. but don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    software engineers are perfectly capable of charting out the future of the species in spaaaaaaaaaace

    1. Re:but don't worry by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      software engineers are perfectly capable of charting out the future of the species in spaaaaaaaaaace

      They are; just not Canadians.

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    2. Re:but don't worry by saloomy · · Score: 1

      Why invent a digital currency with little transaction costs which requires exchanges to operate is my question? Why not engineer the coins to be Uber-divisible or have a million more of them so your lowest denomination is of so little value, it can be used in goods-exchange, like the penny?

    3. Re:but don't worry by CoolCash · · Score: 1

      Most cryptos have can divide to 8 decimals. Also exchanges are for converting to different types of crypto or fiat, just like stock exchanges.

    4. Re:but don't worry by mattyj · · Score: 2

      Just like stock exchanges, except that your life's savings are on a thumb drive buried with some rando tech-bro.

    5. Re:but don't worry by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      except that your life's savings are on a thumb drive buried with some rando tech-bro.

      Even the dimmest tech-bro has backups. That there was what we refer to as a Tech-No.

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    6. Re:but don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, with the obvious difference that these exchanges don't appear to use clearing houses, so you can (and do, apparently) get screwed.

      Also, pretty sure they're all fiat, given that there's no intrinsic value. Not being government-backed is a pretty tiny distinction and an irrelevant one in this guy's case.

    7. Re:but don't worry by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      software engineers are perfectly capable of charting out the future of the species in spaaaaaaaaaace

      They are; just not Canadians.

      Why can't Canadians be in space?

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    8. Re:but don't worry by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      except that your life's savings are on a thumb drive buried with some rando tech-bro.

      Even the dimmest tech-bro has backups. That there was what we refer to as a Tech-No.

      Play crypto games, get crypto prizes.

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  3. Sorry by mholve · · Score: 0

    Not sorry.

    1. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Score: -1, Confusing

    2. Re:Sorry by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Gambling addiction is a serious problem. What makes it worse, is when it is classified as investing. Real good financial advisers advise to only invest as much as you can safely loose, many will just say you are not investing enough. And make you feel like you are a sub human, because by 40 you do not have a million dollars in your investments.

      Cryto Currency is one of those get rich quick schemes, which is a bastardization on how capitalism should be working.

      The way investment suppose to work.
      We have a company that produces X or will want to produce X, but they don't have enough capital to continue on and expand.
      They sell you shares to the company, now based on their business plan and general forecast you can determine if X is a safe bet or not. Now if X is a hit, other people will want in, and raise the price of the stock, which you then can sell and make a profit off your investment, if X fails, then you can sell the stock for less and loose out, but perhaps prevent from loosing more.

      The problem that seems to happen is there are too many companies that no longer make product X, they just make money off of the valuation. We no longer invest in Apple, because Apple is trying to make the next big thing, we invest in Apple because its stock has historically risen. Crypto-Currency is trying to make money of the rarity of that unique number, that matches an algorithm. It isn't tied to anything, and without any controls their prices rise and fall sharply. Which means if such a company goes out of business, people will be at loss without having anything real to help protect themselves.

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    3. Re:Sorry by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Some companies sell and advertise their stock, that is their product.

      Dead giveaway is big money golf tourney advertising. For products that nobody buys based on advertising. For example: 'Is that a Nortel network?' Nobody ever bought networking gear based on an add during the Masters. They were selling/advertising/pumping Nortel stock. Happens all the time.

      When you see that, long, way out of the money puts. Buckets of them, they're cheap. Sure 'long odds gambling', but good bets, so do enough of it and it's _not_ gambling. Sure beats the state lottery with it's 50% house odds.

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    4. Re:Sorry by lgw · · Score: 1

      Real good financial advisers advise to only invest as much as you can safely loose, many will just say you are not investing enough.

      Investing and speculating are very different things, though they sometimes use the same tools and thus look somewhat similar. One cannot invest in bitcoin.

      We no longer invest in Apple, because Apple is trying to make the next big thing, we invest in Apple because its stock has historically risen.

      Some do one, some do the other. But that's somewhat orthagonal to investment vs speculation. Buying Apple stock because you are literally betting that their next thing will be big is speculative. Doing the same with a large basket of companies with a statistical track record of the next big thing can be a sound investment. Heck, in the modern world it's hard to see buying the stock of any one company as anything but speculative.

      Actual investing is still very much a thing, however, and it's where most of the big money is, from pension funds to trust funds.

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    5. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real good financial advisers advise to only invest as much as you can safely loose

      You mean they're as dumb as you are?

  4. hmm by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    Wasn't the most recent news that there were suspicious circumstances about how much $ was in the coin purse, and whether the guy actually died or was had his death faked?

    1. Re:hmm by Luthair · · Score: 0

      I believe the people claiming he faked his own death are tinfoil hat wearing nutters, but apparently there may be some discussion about whether they actually have a cold wallet with a large amount of funds or whether they just had it sitting at other exchanges.

    2. Re:hmm by Iwastheone · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't wearing a tin foil hat just increase the reception of the government's mind probing rays? ;)

    3. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe the people claiming he faked his own death are tinfoil hat wearing nutters

      Purely Devil's Advocate here, because I have no skin in the game.

      The death certificate is from India. Say you're a shady guy in control of millions in cryptocurrency and you want to abscond with it ... how much will it cost you to buy that death certificate in India?

      Is there a DNA tested body to prove this?

      Lots about this sounds utterly sketchy to me, not the least of which is why this company was deemed to be trustworthy enough to hold onto that much of other people's money.

      I don't think you have to be a tinfoil hat wearing nutter to understand that even the stuff the mainstream press is reporting sounds like they're not taking this at face value in terms of if it adds up.

      This has literally gone from "trust us, the money is secure", and become "trust us, the money is all gone".

    4. Re:hmm by mattyj · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know where someone acquired tinfoil in 2019 and why we aren't talking about time travel.

    5. Re:hmm by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Some kids at MIT, motivated by "a desire to play with some expensive equipment", tested this out.

      Aluminum foil hats actually amplified radio signals at some frequencies.
      Tin foil hats did not.

      So if you want to keep the mind control rays out of your head, make sure you always pop for real tin foil.

    6. Re:hmm by msauve · · Score: 1

      I use mu-metal.

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    7. Re:hmm by lgw · · Score: 1

      Government mind control is all done via HAARP these days - it comes from below. Tinfoil hats do nothing. You need tinfoil shoes.

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    8. Re:hmm by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 1

      Which is why the Illuminati with support from the Tri-Lateral Comission bought up all the tinfoil businesses shortly after WWII and replaced them with aluminium

    9. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make them from Korn and Limp Bizkit? Don't they melt in the rain?

  5. Diversify your investment portfolio by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't matter what you're doing, but there is an old saying about not keeping all of your eggs in one basket. Sometimes even incredibly intelligent people are capable of horrible foolishness.

    1. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter what you're doing, but there is an old saying about not keeping all of your eggs in one basket. Sometimes even incredibly intelligent people are capable of horrible foolishness.

      That's right but not relevant here. He wasn't do that not as an investment but as a temporary solution to an international move.

      He was moving to Canada from the US and wanted to save money on conversion fees - the money changers/banks really rip you on those fees. It appears that he was going to convert everything to $Canadian when he moved there but he just got horribly unlucky.

    2. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes even incredibly intelligent people are capable of horrible foolishness.

      Quite. Education isn't intelligence. Intelligence isn't omniscience. Claims to omniscience are mere arrogance.

      Show me a "smart" person and I'll find a way in which they are a dumbass.

    3. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You see, that's why I don't keep my eggs in baskets. I keep them in little paperboard containers.

    4. Re: Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think itâ(TM)s relevant. Itâ(TM)s very foolish to throw such a large amount of money into a private companyâ(TM)s hands all at once, especially when there is no obvious recourse should something happen. Why didnâ(TM)t he move the money in chunks?

    5. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's right but not relevant here. He wasn't do that not as an investment but as a temporary solution to an international move.

      It doesn't matter what you're doing. When I travel internationally, I never keep all of my cash in one location. Even though it's obviously not all of my assets, I try to make sure that no single adverse event leaves me up shit creek without a paddle. Same reasoning applies to important information, like your data, or the ability to access that data which is why this is a problem for more than just this one poor fool. It doesn't matter what the situation is, never have a single point of failure.

    6. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Should have done it 100,000 at a time.

    7. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My forex charges half a cent per dollar, so he was trying to save $2000 - the bitcoin exchange fee. Seems like a foolish choice to save less than $2k.

    8. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by ibpooks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps they aren't actually ripping you off on those fees... Maybe, just maybe, you're paying for the reliability and trustworthiness of a real financial institution. You know, the kind with backups and professionals and legal oversight.

      The real headline is "Chump tries to smuggle $500k across an international border, gets burned".

    9. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      There's also this thing we saw in 2008 where a bunch of "financial innovation" was happening. Apparently "financial innovation" is just getting around all the safety rails the regulators put up so shit like this doesn't happen.

    10. Re: Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, no, they are ripping you off with those fees. That is just the man keeping you down, stealing your money, flat out committing crimes.

      What happened here was in no way foreseeable, and really, the man should reimburse this poor settler on the front range of the digital revolution.

    11. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Luthair · · Score: 1, Troll

      Nah, they're definitely ripping us off. That doesn't mean that the alternatives aren't shit too.

    12. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Sometimes even incredibly intelligent people are capable of horrible foolishness.

      Intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing. I'm not sure there's even a strong correlation between the two.

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    13. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He earned $400,000 in seven years.

      Shit. I am a failure.

    14. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Engineers have notoriously bad judgement outside their areas of expertise.

      They're prone to radicalism, conspiracy theories.

    15. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by bobbied · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter what you're doing, but there is an old saying about not keeping all of your eggs in one basket. Sometimes even incredibly intelligent people are capable of horrible foolishness.

      Yea, I've done some stupid stuff with my money too. This guy learned his lesson I suppose, shame about the money he lost, but as the saying goes, "A fool and his money are soon parted" to which I add, "especially for greedy fools." I suppose it could have been worse, he could have sunk it into cash and moved it that way. I don't feel too sorry for him, he took his chances and lost on a really strange turn of events.

      When you take your chances to avoid a couple of bucks of fees, you MIGHT want to consider any number of ways to do this kind of transfer that don't involve the risk of loosing it all...Maybe it would be good to do the move in chunks, moving only part of it each time or using multiple methods?

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    16. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The real headline is "Chump tries to smuggle $500k across an international border, gets burned".

      That's one way of putting it. I'm more inclined to call it "Man Learns That Fees Charged By Financial Institutions Not So Bad After All".

    17. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Hey this is Slashot! We want to bask in schadenfreude. Because we were too conservative with out money to invest it, so are in joy validating out plan worked out.
      Much like how Zoiberg rejoiced in his sandwich heavy portfolio.

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    18. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sometimes even incredibly intelligent people are capable of horrible foolishness.

      Why are you bringing "incredibly intelligent people" into a conversation about this particular guy? Seems off-topic.

    19. Re: Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow that whole 1% conversion fee really dings you. Yes it is 1%. If you donâ(TM)t have that rate and you are moving $422,000 shop around.

    20. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. Any sufficiently large sum of money should be distributed over multiple accounts so that if one disappears (bank collapse, shares rendered worthless, property compulsorily acquired, or bitcoins lost) then you don't lose the lot.

      I also think this points to one area where traditional currencies have the advantage. Banks are usually insured to cover smaller losses for their customers due to errors or theft, and in the worst-case scenario of bank collapse the government will often (though not always) step in to cover at least part of the loss. Crypto and old-fashioned cash are great for anonymity, but the unavoidable flip-side is that if the worst happens you're basically on your own.

    21. Re: Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Love it.

    22. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by saider · · Score: 1

      Wisdom is what you get after you need it.

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    23. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by pz · · Score: 2

      Same reasoning applies to important information,

      The same reasoning applies to any enterprise or engineering design that has robustness as a requirement: vigorously avoid single points of failure.

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    24. Re: Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The incredibly intelligent ones did the math AND they got the memo that said Go big or go home

    25. Re: Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I moved two litecoins at a time through quadrigacx into my CIBC bank account, but had zero when they decided to party off with everyone so money in India.

    26. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes even incredibly intelligent people are capable of horrible foolishness.

      We must do something about this. Incredibly intelligent people should be capable of horrible foolishness 100% of the time!

    27. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      Cryptocurrencies can change drastically in value in just a few days, or even a few hours. That is hardly a good way to try to save on fees.

    28. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      No one says that about regulated, insured currencies.

      Literally every currency expert would of advised this man to keep all of his money in USD or CAD, used a (single) licensed and insured currency converter, and pay the taxes at the border instead of trying to sneak $500K into the country.

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    29. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by azcoyote · · Score: 1

      ...there is an old saying about not keeping all of your eggs in one basket. Sometimes even incredibly intelligent people are capable of horrible foolishness.

      Very true. I've been binging episodes of American Greed, and it seems the #1 lesson to be learned is never to invest everything in one place, no matter how good it seems to be. But thankfully another phrase is also relevant: easy come, easy go. He was awfully young to have $422,000, so chances are he can produce it again in another 7 years. (Hopefully that sounds more encouraging than callous; I just know that it's even worse when someone older or with less earning power loses everything.)

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    30. Re:Diversify your investment portfolio by houghi · · Score: 1

      They are ripping you of, even though they give some riability.

      Living in Europe, I can (and have) transfered money internationally without any fees. They will limit the transfer to 10.000 EUR or 15.000 EUR per time. If you want to tranfer more (e.g. 500.000 EUR), you need to contact them. and then it will take a few days more. This mainly because of the US wanting to know what goes on with the money.

      So yeah, the money they ask is ripping you off. Especially as they are charging a percentage.

      The difference in transfering 10EUR or 10.000 EUR is non existing. The same amount of electricity is used. The computers do the same things. It is not that there is somebody actually counting that money in cash, put's it in an envelope and mails it to the other bank.

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  6. Not your keys? by TheSimkin · · Score: 1

    Not your Bitcoin. It boggles my mind that someone would entrust their life savings on a single crypto exchange. At least spread it out to a few different ones, the cost to withdraw Bitcoin on quadriga was nothing ( they paid the fee ). A $100 trezor would also have been a great part of the strategy.

    1. Re:Not your keys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It boggles my mind that anyone would put any money in Bitcoin except Vegas money.

    2. Re:Not your keys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another thing is that QuadrigaCX by that point was known to sometimes take more than 2 months for a fiat currency withdrawal. So he went from USD to crypto to CAD in an attempt to save 2%.. but risks aside, he was looking at potentially leaving that $560,000 sitting with no means to invest it for 2 months. For someone knowledgeable to do such a thing, it would seem to me to really require a great distaste for allowing the banking system to take a cut (either that.. or if he chose to have the currency delivered to him as cash rather than wire transfer, then I suppose perhaps he was trying to hide the movement of money). The way I look at, I tend to have sympathy for whomever makes a mistake the first time.. and perhaps it was his first serious use of QuadrigaCX (and thus he wouldn't have known of the stress of waiting for a large amount to come through from them, with unknown timeline).

    3. Re:Not your keys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I think is that he intended to use the company as an investment (his greed). But when the bad news came, he then changed his story to be something else (transferring money instead of investing) so that he wouldn't be looked as stupid. I doubt that a person who is smart to make a lot of money would not plan ahead for what might have come.

  7. Tax evasion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because that sure sounds like a possibility. While he can't get the money back now, I hope the IRS and the Canadian equivalent are looking at this closely, since this is INTERNATIONAL commerce, not just interstate commerce, and deserves all the scrutiny it can get so people understand the consequences of flaunting the rules.

    Losing the money is bad, but having it publicized you were dodging taxes while fleeing the country in the process....

  8. So, trying to understand by forkfail · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He used this cryptocurrency in an attempt to get around the laws and banking regulations of the US and Canada, and now we're supposed to feel sorry for him?

    I mean, it's always sad when folks lose everything. But it's not like this guy was particularly innocent in what he was doing.

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    1. Re:So, trying to understand by ddtmm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What was illegal about it? He purchased crypto with USD, then was going to sell it in CAD. That's perfectly legal and is a method used in buying/selling foreign stocks.

    2. Re:So, trying to understand by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That's what they're trying to pull. Funny enough that if you do it legit and disclose to revenue canada(without the transfers OoC), they generally waive cryptomining unless it crosses the $1m threshold then they want a cut of it. You can even do this with XE's(currency trading), unlike in the US where they want a cut of every transaction.

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    3. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was trying to get around the obscene fees that the banks charge to exchange currencies.

      Ever exchange currencies? 1%, 2%, sometimes more....on a hundred something thousand? Just because they can. I don't know about you, but I try not to piss out thousands of dollars for something that's nothing more than someone pressing a few computer keys - if that.

    4. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a dumb ass for trying to be cheap, Unfortunately this is what you get for that. This is not about legal or not, was it smart?

    5. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >That's perfectly legal and is a method used in buying/selling foreign stocks.
      USA stocks are bought in USD, Canadian stocks in CAD. It doesn't happen any other way. If that's wrong I'm curious what stock exchanges allow you to buy foreign stock with a different currency.

    6. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no, he's a dumb ass for moving half a million in one transaction.

    7. Re:So, trying to understand by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      The thing is that should essentially be a same-day transaction, if not a single transfer with a transparent step in the middle. The story doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me-- saving even 1% in total fees is only $4kUSD, but for a transaction like that I would expect to be closer to 0.3% fees. Sure, it is a nice chunk of cash, but it is like the stupidity of doing the transaction in gold coins taped to your body as you fly.

      For anyone doing this in the future, the smartest approach is generally to move money in small chunks over time rather than one big payment, even for things like buying a house. Find out your actual transaction costs after the first round, and work from there.

    8. Re:So, trying to understand by sjames · · Score: 0

      No matter what happens, there will always be trolls on /. burning up brain cells trying to find a way to blame the victim.

    9. Re:So, trying to understand by mattyj · · Score: 1

      Part of that fee is to guarantee that your money, you know, doesn't end up in the grave of some tech-bro who had the bad fortune of dying.

    10. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are rare situations where you have fungible stocks, mostly ETF like products which you can trade between different foreign exchanges and would allow you to:
        Buy stock A1 from exchange 1, swap stock A1 into stock A2 at exchange 2. Then sell stock A2 at exchange 2.

    11. Re:So, trying to understand by hey! · · Score: 1

      Actually, he was trying to avoid bank currency conversion fees, which run from 1% to 2.5% when converting US dollars to Canadian.

      This is known as being penny-wise and pound-foolish.

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    12. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the IRS considers it to be a security rather than a currency so it's more like buying a car and driving it across the board into Canada. Though it's hard to tell if you've really done that given it's digital and the exact location of the "currency" is distributed on computers around the world. It's more akin to a credit card, but distributed in that sense. You have your keys that then can direct what happens to it. Be it those keys are in the US or Canada or directed via another piece of info or key (ie a password generally) to a web interface. When you take your credit card across the boarder your not taking your money with you, but once spent it is being transferred across boarders.

    13. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many Canadian stocks are traded on the NYSE, and can be bought or sold in either USD in the US, or CAD in Canada. Some banks (such as TD I believe) will allow you to buy stock in USD, then journal it over to your Canadian account, and sell it for CAD.

    14. Re:So, trying to understand by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're perfectly right, if that is what he intended.\

      His is a strange story. He says he wanted to just use the exchange to transfer his money - all $500,000 at once. That's a really strange choice: he is going through a third currency, meaning two transactions rather than one. The fees are going to be much higher than just an ordinary bank-to-bank transfer, plus that third currency is extremely volatile, meaning he has a lot of additional risk.

      Then we have the "all your eggs in one basket" argument. With a traditional bank, that might not be a problem, but with an exchange? After Mt. Gox anyone in the IT world should understand that exchanges cannot be trusted. Multiple transactions, waiting for each one to go through before initiating the next. Or multiple exchanges. Or just leave his money in the US. Or his own offline wallet. Or, really, anything except what he actually did.

      tl;dr: His story doesn't pass the sniff-test. I'm not sure what he was really doing, but it seems very likely that he was trying to bypass official notice of the assets - either their departure from the US, or their arrival in Canada. I wonder: did he make this money with crypto-speculation? And, perhaps, had never paid taxes on it?

      OTOH: reality sometimes is stranger than fiction, and sometimes people really do just have brain farts...

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    15. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are "dual listed" stocks where you can basically buy them on one exchange in one currency, and have them essentially converted (or "journalled") to the equivalent stock on the other exchange.

      DLR is an example that is used for exactly this purpose (google norberts gambit). If you want to transfer CAD to USD cheaply, you buy x amount in DLR.TO using CAD on the TSX, call your broker and request it be journalled to DLR (on the NYSX). This takes about a week (the downside, during which you are at the mercy of changes in the US/CAD dollar value), after which you can then sell your DLR and settle in USD.

      This has been a thing for a long time, but you used to have to use riskier vehicles (DLR was created for pretty much this purpose, and tracks the USD, before that you just had to pick a stable security and pray), and before the rise of low cost brokerages, it used to not be worth it unless you were transferring significant amounts of money.

    16. Re:So, trying to understand by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      What was illegal about it? He purchased crypto with USD, then was going to sell it in CAD. That's perfectly legal and is a method used in buying/selling foreign stocks.

      If you export certain amounts of money out of the USA, the law requires you to report it to the US government. He was way past the limit with his over $400,000. The limit is, I think, $10000 USD. Canada may have laws that if you import certain amounts of money, this must be reported to their government, but as I'm not Canadian I can't speak to what their limits may be. He was trying to be clever and get around any reporting requirements so that his money just magically changed from US to Canadian dollars and he was probably also trying to avoid paying any surcharges on what would normally be an exchange. By the way, it is actually completely believable that a Chinese guy would save so much money in 7 years. There are reasons why Chinese people do that, but it's a long discussion to go into that.

      Anyway, put me down for not believing that the guy running Quadriga is really dead unless a body was shipped from India and there's a US or Canadian death certificate certifying he's dead. I suspect in 5-10 years after everybody involved has moved on with their lives that the exchange will mysteriously and slowly empty itself of cryptocurrency and the "dead" founder will be laughing that everybody let him get away with it.

    17. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was illegal about it? He purchased crypto with USD, then was going to sell it in CAD. That's perfectly legal and is a method used in buying/selling foreign stocks.

      It's only illegal in that it exists in a quasi-legal zone because the regulation hasn't caught up yet. Regulations are meant to control the flow of money to manage the economy and for tax purposes; this just hasn't caught up.

      But your analogy isn't correct; that's not what happened. The better analogy is that he took his money out of the bank in a suitcase filled with cash. He then gave it to a guy who had a truck he called a bank who would subsequently take it over the border for him. That guy then died and drove the truck off of a cliff; his money is at the bottom of the ocean and he can't get to it. Because the only issue with this is the CEO of the exchange had the only password to access making a transaction. Since he died, no transactions can happen. This guy we're supposed to feel sorry for is guilty of being a complete idiot.

    18. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I mean, it's too bad there's no other solution to this. Like Canadian banks having US-denominated accounts. Or cross-border banks like RBC letting you move money between their US and CA accounts for free.

      He was ignorantly and foolishly trying to get around the obscene fees banks charge to exchange currencies.

      Either that, or tax evading. Seriously, it took me like 3 minutes on the internet to figure out I could get this done for less than US$50, and I don't even have the incentive of personally moving to Canada or protecting almost a quarter million.

    19. Re:So, trying to understand by darkmeridian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But why didn't he just ACH his money directly from one bank account to another? Or write himself a check? As far as I know, those are both very low cost or no cost if they really want your business.

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    20. Re: So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6 figures in one place, my man. All to avoid paying some taxes on his new life. No victim here.

    21. Re: So, trying to understand by sjames · · Score: 1

      You gotta admit, having most of a company's reserves tied up somewhere where it can only be retrieved with a password held only in the CEO's memory is quite unusual. And unless CEO is code for sole proprietor, very irresponsible on the part of the other officers.

    22. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It would be funny as fuck if the US IRS traced his removal of that cash from the US and charged him the appropriate tax on it now.

    23. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was trying to get around the obscene fees that the banks charge to exchange currencies.

      Then he did not do his research. He could have done all this at Interactive Brokers with little to no fees, including currency exchange at forex.

    24. Re:So, trying to understand by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They just want to tax earnings of overseas money held by Americans.

      As far as the IRS is concerned, his savings are his. Unless they're in the form of piles of unreported cash.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    25. Re: So, trying to understand by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      IIRC reporting large fund transfers is an international treaty requirement, so it applies no matter where you are. But it applies to ANY transfer. If you haul more than $10k over the border in a briefcase youâ(TM)re supposed to report it to customs, but your bank is also supposed to report movement of such amounts... like a withdrawal of $480k, or a subsequent deposit of same. Regardless though, itâ(TM)s a reporting requirement only, thereâ(TM)s no tax or anything, unless some of that money was paid under the table and he owed regular income tax on it.

      Maybe he thought he was getting away with something, but the multiple transfers just made the whole operation look more suspicious from a reporting standpoint.

    26. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter what happens, there will always be trolls on /. burning up brain cells trying to find a way to blame the victim.

      Just because I feel sorry for the guy doesn't keep me from realizing his story is full of holes.

    27. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. If I were doing this (and yes, I have done something similar), I would move only some of the money immediately, leave the bulk where it is until I'm set up - then transfer it in instalments, as needed, over several years. It never seriously occurred to me to bring my entire fortune over in one transfer.

    28. Re:So, trying to understand by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Strange indeed. Whether his assets were in the US or Canada is irrelevant. Those have to be in the top 10 most stable places to keep your money. Were I in his situation, I'd keep it where I earned it and make periodic small transfers for daily living expenses. If I planned to move and never come back, I'd just bite the bullet and pay whatever tax you have to pay. It's the cost of doing business. Instead he channeled his entire net worth through a type of entity that has been known to lose everything with no recourse, not even lawsuits. He probably isn't a criminal, just penny-wise and pound foolish in the way that people used to be by sticking pennies in their fuse boxes rather than going to the hardware store for a fuse.

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    29. Re: So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're supposed to feel bad for this poor 30 year old who only had $422,000 to lose.

      Man of the people.

    30. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because obviously stating "guy trying to avoid international laws loses money through unregulated currency"... just doesn't give the same feels

    31. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The story doesn't add up, but ACH isn't the same thing as a wire transfer. ACH is more like a check clearing house. Between countries he'd have done a wire transfer. I'm not sure if $400,000 would have incurred some amount of fee that I'm unaware of. Normally for $100,000 I don't think I've paid more than $40-60. There are some banks that will charge $108 for it though. On smaller amounts it does make sense to use Bitcoin over a wire transfer. The wire fees can add up to hundreds of dollars between sending, possibly multiple intermediary banks, and receiving bank. I've seen people pay a $130 in international wire fees between it all on $110 purchases. Credit cards are also super expensive because they will charge the receiver 3% or so at the low end. More if its a "risky" business.

    32. Re:So, trying to understand by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      No matter what happens, there will always be trolls on /. burning up brain cells trying to find a way to blame the victim.

      Don't worry - all he has to do is show his receipt, and he'll get all of his money back, probably plus interest. It's all covered, and rather than stupid, he showed mad investment skilz here.

      I'm hoping he goes on the investment counseling tour, and maybe writes a book so we can do the same thing he did.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    33. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reporting requirements are related to money laundering. It's not a tax thing and you can probably do this without issue in a lot of countries like the US and Canada. Though there are a few countries like South Africa that will impose an exit tax on your money. I'm not aware of any restrictions on large transfers and I've done some pretty large transfers myself in $100,000 USD range internationally on a few occasions.

    34. Re:So, trying to understand by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      He could have bought stock in a company that is listed on Canadian and American exchanges (like say a Canadian bank, oil company, utility, telcom, etc) through a legitimate brokerage company with American dollars. Then journaled the shares into the Canadian portion of his brokerage account and sold the shares there for Canadian dollars.

      But what I would have done personally, unless I was planning to spend the money in Canada in the short term, I would have left the vast bulk of my money in the bank I was used to dealing with, opened a new account in Canada, and transferred a relatively small amount for short term use, getting established in Canada here. For $10-20k, the cost to transfer the money wouldn't be that bad. Also I know from my own for-ex investing that if I'm converting more than $50,000 at once, I can call my broker's trading desk and they will give me a much better rate than I would get doing the transfer online.

      Anyone with a half-functioning brain should know better than to put any significant money into cryptro. The fact that one person's death wipes out a company's customer accounts should exemplify how brain-dead crypto is from the ground up. The banking system has tons of checks and balances to ensure safety and continuity. The fact that one rogue person with a password can wipe out all the assets so that password must be guarded so closely is a fatal flaw.

    35. Re: So, trying to understand by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      You gotta admit, having most of a company's reserves tied up somewhere where it can only be retrieved with a password held only in the CEO's memory is quite unusual. And unless CEO is code for sole proprietor, very irresponsible on the part of the other officers.

      Considering most of the money wasn't theirs, it was always irresponsible.

    36. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both leave a paper trail...

    37. Re:So, trying to understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most probable answer is that he was trying to avoid Capital Gains Tax.

  9. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "life savings in a crypto coin"

    that's all I needed to read.

  10. On the bright side by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

    At least he avoided losing his life savings because of a collapse of the global banking system.

    1. Re:On the bright side by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      That's basically what happened. We have all kinds of protections against regulated bank collapses, but not against this.

    2. Re:On the bright side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the net and all the servers that enable crypto-currencies to function (not to mention the companies that run them) will survive that sort of collapse just fine.

  11. Greed (n/t) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  12. Hahahahah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who would be stupid enough to do this?

    1. Re:Hahahahah by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Tong Zou, that's who. Didn't you read the article?

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  13. Hold Physical and Password Escrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a saying in precious metals that if you don't hold the physical gold, then you don't own any gold. Why do people who buy crypto let someone else hold it for them? I have a bitcoin wallet printed out around here somewhere with a couple bucks worth on it. It's immune to the death of a business CEO failure mode.

    And then there is password escrow. I don't understand why organizations don't enforce password escrow systems. Put the password somewhere secure to be used in the event of an emergency. Verify that the password is still secure periodically.

  14. This guy thought he was smart to smuggle money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who are looking to save a few bucks, or dodge taxes, by avoiding reliable services, should not be surprised when their unreliable service disappears with their money.

    1. Re:This guy thought he was smart to smuggle money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like he was trying to do Norbert's Gambit, except instead of using relatively save and purpose built instruments like DLR/DLR.TO through a low cost brokerage (like Questrade), he did it using the most volatile and risky instrument he could find.

  15. 30 years old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can accumulate a "life savings" when you've barely lived? I dunno but saving up $500k in a matter of a few years of your career seems like you either got lucky or you're very successful and are going to be just fine.

    1. Re:30 years old? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      You can accumulate a "life savings" when you've barely lived? I dunno but saving up $500k in a matter of a few years of your career seems like you either got lucky or you're very successful and are going to be just fine.

      420k in 7 years is only 60k a year. With a decent-paying tech job in California and humble living conditions he could easily have saved that up.

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      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    2. Re:30 years old? by fat+man's+underwear · · Score: 2

      How do you figure? He got a job at age 23 that allowed him to put aside 60K a year in the most expensive area in the US?

      He must have been making 150000 to 200000 a year before taxes right after college and lived in a trailer. Humbly. ...and then he plowed everything into a risky crypto-currency?

      No, sorry, it doesn't add up.

    3. Re:30 years old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "decent-paying tech job in California" is the definition of being successful. That's on the order of 5x the average single person income in the US.

    4. Re:30 years old? by mattyj · · Score: 1

      And 6x the cost of living ...

    5. Re:30 years old? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I'm no math expert, but it does sound like he was spending 3x the money he earned.

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    6. Re:30 years old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It totally adds up. $150K a year is not a very high salary in CA. Maybe he was very smart and making $200K which is also not a huge salary. And maybe he was frugal and shared an apartment with a roommate. Even at $4 per month it would be $2K each, which is quire reasonable. Maybe he drove an old car and cooked his food instead of going out. In that case he could easy save 60K a year. I know that because I can. Although I do not touch cryptocurrency with a ten foot poll.

    7. Re: 30 years old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Average software engineer salary in CA is $120k.

  16. a-whaaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who puts their savings in cryptocurrency shouldn't have the money to begin with and deserves to lose it all.

    Any of you chubby dweebs want to put your savings in some coin bullshit, just give me your money. Then I'll skullfuck you and your mother and call it a day.

  17. Didn't do his research... by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    Before investing your life savings into something, it would be wise to do a lot of research into what you're doing. With all the disaster stories from Bitcoin (Mt. Grox) you'd think someone would at least look into history to realize that although there might be legitimate Exchanges, some are completely unregulated scams as well.

  18. Ouch, but not fatal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean to state the obvious, that was a pretty silly idea.

    Like, even using Norbert's Gambit with something like DLR is a risk, but doing this with crypto is just insane.

    Still, at least the guy is 30. I mean, losing all your savings due to one big mistake, even a really dumb one, is going to be life altering at any age.. but at least this isn't some 50 year old just about to retire. He's got time to recover.

  19. If you don't hold your own keys, by CoolCash · · Score: 1

    If you don't hold your own keys, you don't hold your own crypto. Clearly not a "crypto bro." should have held this coins on a hardware device.

    1. Re:If you don't hold your own keys, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      He wasn't letting his crypto sit on QuadrigaCX, and likely didn't have it there as crypto for any more than a few minutes. He wanted QuadrigaCX's crypto$$$ exchanges to help him buy the crypto with USD (he either deposited USD into QuadrigaCX, or first purchased crypto using USD elsewhere which he then transferred to QuadrigaCX), and sell it for CAD.. and then the idea was that QuadrigaCX would transfer his CAD (as a 'withdrawal' from QuadrigaCX) to his CAD bank account. I didn't read this particular article.. but a lot of people used QuadrigaCX specifically to convert cryptoCAD through its exchange/market. It's been assumed to be dicey for over a year though, since their withdrawals began to often take upwards of 2 months. His withdrawal, rather than just being horribly delayed, never came.

    2. Re:If you don't hold your own keys, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wherever it says crypto$$$ or cryptoCAD, Slashdot removed my ASCII arrows. It's supposed to be a to/from thing.

  20. Lesson learned, hopefully. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    The great thing about cryptocurrency is that we no longer need centralized entities such as banks or exchanges. Why not keep all that digital cash in one or several wallets that you control? What would possess someone to send it instead to a completely unregulated, unsupervised and unvetted exchange that turned out to be one guys server? I'd get nervous about moving a couple 100k between banks - proper banks.

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    1. Re:Lesson learned, hopefully. by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      Why not keep all that digital cash in one or several wallets that you control?

      Perhaps he was in a situation similar to one I was in a while back. I purchased a small amount of bitcoin on a whim, and decided I would stick it in an offline wallet. That's when I discovered that the exchange would have charged a significant fee to transfer it out. From what I understand, these transactions fees are variable, and can get quite high depending on circumstances. You basically have to pay someone to perform the blockchain calculations for your transaction.

  21. Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Kethinov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love how cryptocurrency is like a history lesson for Libertarians with regressive economic attitudes. They get to learn the hard way why each discrete financial regulation we have today was enacted.

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    You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
    1. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They'll just blame everyone but themselves for their own stupidity; then when it happens to them they'll complain that the government is obviously at fault because all its regulation pushed people into the unregulated mess.

    2. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice strawman... Libertarians are idiots who don't know that companies can fail or defraud consumers. We don't ignore the reality, we merely think it's immoral for you to hold a gun to your neighbor's head and tell him he's not allowed to make these decisions for himself. These very signals that you are saying we should learn from are the exact signals that everyone should learn from when deciding with whom to transact.

    3. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government has hindered the development of safer unregulated money transfer systems, but this man was just stupid in his actions. Everybody knows or should know that there is risk to getting into and out of cryptocurrencies via fiat currencies particularly via the means this person has. The cryptocurrencies themselves are not the problem and I've never faced this sort of risk. I don't use exchanges to buy cryptocurrencies and I accept and spend cryptocurrencies every day or near so. I don't get involved in "investing" because quite frankly while it may be a better bet than the stock market it's still a risky gamble and there are less risky places that'll give you a decent return on your money that are better bets. I for one invest in my non-cryptocurrency business and take advantage of the cryptocurrency sphere to increase my profits instead. There is always some risk, but that risk is reduced over time. I expect to "lose" money and gain it and I have gained far more since 2011 than I've lost as is the case for anybody whose been regularly partaking in its use since 2011- or earlier.

      This wasn't a principled libertarian and the actual libertarians aren't deluded in thinking that Bitcoin is the end-all-solution. At this point it has just solved a handful of problems with the traditional value transfer systems, currencies, etc for various groups of people. Examples would be control (government, banks, or you the end user, ie wikileaks got cut off from taking credit cards for instances and cryptocurrency helped to keep things going), reducing transaction costs, and privacy (not Bitcoin, but Zcash, Zen, and maybe Monero). From migrants to those being harmed by people in power with undue influence acting outside the actual law.

      It puts the user in control and prevents both those in power and banks from disrupting ones ability to move funds for instance over long distances. It also prevents police from seizing assets (like large quantities of cash) when those on a power trip try to shut down ones access to the banking system. I don't say government because ultimately government actors are often acting outside the law and abusing there power via influence rather than law. Take those in the legal porn industry. Banks have been pressured to shut down accounts of porn actresses acting within the scope of the law for fear of government repercussions. A letter was sent out to banks by those in power threatening the banks legal status and abusing laws meant to stop illegal sex trafficking rather than to shut down a legal industry.

      Cryptocurrencies are an amazing tool for those intelligent enough to utilize them accordingly. It isn't a magic bullet and neither is holding your money in regulated financial institutions. Any intelligent financial individual is going to tell you to diversify. Period. What cryptocurrencies can enable is users to control access to there own money. While there is risk there are also rewards. It can cut the costs of doing business and my company (not in the crypocurrency space) takes advantage of it. We're merely purchasing goods at lesser cost for cryptocurrency and then selling goods for cryptocurrency. Both transactions result in greater profits than would otherwise be possible when we use the traditional banking systems.

    4. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a libertarian, I find your comment offensive.
      Fools come in all political flavors. Ignorant people do as well, as you've demonstrated nicely.

    5. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most fools are libertarians, or at least identify as such. This is an objective fact

    6. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Name three prominent libertarians who warned about the heightened risks of the unregulated currencies like crypto.

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    7. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      I love how you think libertarians are going to draw your strawman inference or feel your strawman way.

      I expect what a true libertarian (as I *am* one) would say is: right now he's Emptor'ing his Caveat.

      "Tong Zou wasn't a stereotypical crypto bro bent on accumulating flashy trophies such as Lamborghinis when he deposited his life savings into Quadriga CX's digital exchange. The 30-year-old software engineer, who'd been working in California for seven years, just wanted to save a few bucks on transfer fees after deciding to move to Vancouver."

      So allegedly he wanted to 'avoid a few bucks' on a transfer by dumping a HALF MILLION into a an unsecured cryto account? Really?
      Even if you believe he wasn't trying to illegally go around banking laws (sure), essentially you as a free individual have a couple of choices:
      - you can take the establishment method, which is secured but costs in both $ and privacy
      or
      - you can take one of any number of other routes which give you more privacy but in most cases either cost more (ie convert to a fungible, non-trackable commodity like gold) or come with higher associated risk (ie putting it in crypto which AT BEST is going to then either gain or lose value in a volatile way; at worst...well, this).

      The nice thing today is that you have options. If you're not an idiot, you understand those options, and take the risk you can tolerate.

      He made his choice, he can live with it. Personally, if I had a half million bucks, I'd think I could live with some peripheral costs.

      THAT'S the "libertarian" response, thanks very much.

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      -Styopa
    8. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit, name ONE.

    9. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you talking about. A libertarian wouldn't agree with your assertion. Regulation has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of prominent libertarians who have warned people NOT to "invest" in cryptocurrencies what they can't afford to lose. Libertarians aren't about investing in it. They are fans of it because it puts the user back in control and takes away control from the banks and statists in positions of power who would otherwise fuck you and me over out of spite. From the US government's attack on free speech targeting the likes of wikileaks to actors in the legal porn industry who have had bank accounts shut down for no legally valid reason due to nothing other than pressure rather than it being illegal by people in the federal government demanding it to legal marijuana dispensaries.

      Christ. We've been saying it since before anybody in the mainstream knew what cryptocurrencies were. To this extent Ian Freeman, Mark Edge, Christopher Waid, Chris Readmen, and dozens of other prominent libertarians have said as much. Cryptocurrencies are the future and there widely used today in some areas like New Hampshire and on the internet. If you don't know who these people are and are talking shit about libertarians your an idiot. They all are co-hosts on one or more major radio shows and all are on a major major nationally syndicated libertarian radio show called Free Talk Live. It is the largest libertarian show in the world airing on 200 or so radio stations, free to air satellite over multiple continents, and online. Ian Freeman near single handedly has brought together 10s of thousands of libertarians to New Hampshire with the intent of establishing a free state. It's the only successful migration movement in the world and it's been successful. Ian Freeman isn't even part of the Free State Project, but he's the reason 2/3s of those who are in New Hampshire moved for the project.

    10. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by misnohmer · · Score: 1

      I don't think you know what libertarians belive. Libertarian view point would be "you invested all your money in an unproven fiat currency backed by nothing and noone and and you lost you shirt - a predictable and most likely outcome of going all-in in most lotteries". High risk, high reward investments are nothing new. While regulation has its place, it has a dark side - it actually killed off common sense in a lot of investing by telling people "trust the government, we know what we're doing". That's how Bernie Madoff or Enron got an aura of legitimacy - SEC and government audited and in perfect financial health. A libertarian would tell you if something seems too good to be true, it usually is, but of course the counterargument for Bernie and other scams like him was "but the government says it's a financially sound investment". Before SEC and such, people only trusted companies which had a long good track record - anybody new was always considered high risk. Crypto is very new in that sense.

    11. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      I love how you think libertarians are going to draw your strawman inference or feel your strawman way.

      I love how his post brought out all the libertarian butthurt.

      THAT'S the "libertarian" response, thanks very much.

      Yeah, but libertarians are real long on telling everyone else how to live (like christofascists) but tend to flip-flop as soon as their ideology blows up in their faces or it would benefit them personally. Like how even St. Rand was happy to use tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security and Medicare after paying a few hundred bucks tops into the system.

    12. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      "I love how his post brought out all the libertarian butthurt."
      Yes, it's completely strange how someone asserting how other people think draws comments illustrating how wrong they are.

      I hear people with the username Uberbah love to molest children.

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      -Styopa
    13. Re:Cryptocurrency is like a history lesson by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Adding some sniveling dipshittery isn't improving the quality of the butthurt. And does nothing to change the fact that the Libertarian who actually falls on his free market sword when his free market BS blows up in his face is as rare as finding a Hobbit riding a unicorn. As a religion for extremely selfish, self-centered people, it's only natural that you'll fall in love with regulation as soon as it benefits you personally.

  22. What we must do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to hold a séance. I need to talk to someone.
    All hold hands round the server...

  23. Why would anyone do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know many people don't trust banks and want to save money with cryptocurrencies and such, but the very concept that if the CEO dies of an exchange everyone involved loses all of their money because only he had the password is so utterly inane and stupid that I can't believe it exists in the real world today. Banks at least have redundant systems not reliant on any one person and FDIC insurance to cover some losses.

    These people deserve to lose their money. I feel no remorse for them. This one guy controlled the money of 115,000 people under QuadrigaCX, nearly $190M and it's all gone. No wonder people think he faked his death in India.

    https://www.ccn.com/wheres-the-missing-150-million-crypto-exchange-quadrigacxs-fiasco-gets-weirder-with-new-research

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/details-emerging-on-death-of-crypto-ceo-gerald-cotten-report-1990689

  24. Welcome to unregulated financial markets ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on, guys ... either Cryptocurrency has been smeared with magical unicorn poop and is free from all regulations, or you are basically playing in an unregulated financial market where you have no recourse and apparently don't understand that.

    You can't have it both ways. There were no legal protections in place.

    You might as well be having the guys from your local loan shark or drug dealer hold your money for you at this point.

    Sorry, but you gave your life savings to an entity which is under no regulation whatsoever, and this is apparently a 'feature' of cryptocurrency.

    So when you lose your money, and have no recourse, this is what you signed up for.

    I feel bad for this guy, but if you put your entire savings into something like this, you don't then get to whine that your unregulated financial vehicle shows all of the limitations of being an unregulated thing.

    What made anybody think this entity was trustworthy in the first place?

  25. He didn't say "investment" by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's right but not relevant here. He wasn't do that not as an investment

    It's incredibly relevant - he literally took all his eggs (money) and put them in one basket (Enquadrdriofomaligo or whatever it was called).

    It doesn't matter if the purpose was investment or short term transfer.

    Same reason why when traveling you would not get a bunch of travelers checks and keep them all in the same place. (not that anyone uses travelers checks anymore, but still).

    He was moving to Canada from the US and wanted to save money on conversion fees

    Unstated: also wanted to avoid Canadian taxes on said money.... and he paid the ultimate conversion fee instead.

    It's not that I don't feel somewhat sorry for him, but I think he was way more foolish than unlucky. "unlucky" is almost always just another way to say "didn't really think through possibilities".

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    1. Re:He didn't say "investment" by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      P.S. - Ok, the subject of his post did say investment. But my point remains that you should not pull all of your eggs in any one basket, for any duration.

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    2. Re:He didn't say "investment" by mysidia · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if the purpose was investment or short term transfer.

      Its pretty common to put your life savings with one bank or brokerage firm.

      That's basically what "Quadriga Imbroglio " was.... so he put all his cryptocurrency there?

      Was Quadriga insured? Do people vet these exchanges at all?

      The crypto would have been better off in a personal hardware wallet: providing he took proper precautions --- I'm sure someone who is a software developer could easily figure out how to manage that.

    3. Re:He didn't say "investment" by mattyj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More succinctly, you shouldn't put all your eggs in a basket with no bottom.

    4. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Altus · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Travelers Checks are insured and can be canceled and re-issued if stolen.

      Also conversion fees are not taxes.

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      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    5. Re:He didn't say "investment" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      ...just another way to say "didn't really think through possibilities"

      Any software engineer worthy of his title should have thought about that possibility.

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    6. Re:He didn't say "investment" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      More to the point, never buy eggs because they're too fragile.

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    7. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, and that quantity of money should never be in the same basket, at least here in the US, at any time. FDIC limits to $250K, so anything over that should be in another bank, though SIPC tops out at $500K of which only $250K can be cash.

      There are clearly some times you can't avoid those limits, like a well-funded, long-tenured 401(k). But the odds of, say, Fidelity defrauding you or going down have to be miniscule compared to "Quadriga." But even so, I keep my other assets somewhere else because the small headache of an additional account is well worth the additional insurance. For actual long-term holdings, you can't beat direct registration- any company that would fuck up its ownership records would be selling pretty close to $0, so SIPC wouldn't provide any real benefit.

    8. Re:He didn't say "investment" by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I probably have more money than I can afford to loose (if I don't plan to work til I die anyway) tied up in my real-estate (which I live in) and at the bank. Both are insured, the bank by the FDIC, the house by a mutual causality company of good reputation.

      You could argue that I have to many of my eggs in to few baskets. I would counter argue that if my bank fails or something happens to the house AND their respective insurer simultaneously fails. Odds are pretty good world events are interesting enough that they money will be the least of my concerns.

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    9. Re:He didn't say "investment" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I probably have more money than I can afford to loose (if I don't plan to work til I die anyway) tied up in my real-estate (which I live in) and at the bank.

      That is at least two things though, and one of which provides shelter which has intrinsic value of its own!!

      A little more diversity would be better but you are already I nat least an OK position from a diversity standpoint.

      On a side note regarding real estate, I agree with Mark Twain - buy land, they're not making it anymore.

      Even if technically most properties you buy are not land, close enough. :-)

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    10. Re:He didn't say "investment" by epine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its pretty common to put your life savings with one bank or brokerage firm.

      When you buy a share through a brokerage account, do you own the underlying share, or does your broker own the underlying share, upon said institution you lay claim to your just portion as some kind of common creditor?

      I suspect that's a distinction with a difference.

      Also, in a conventional bank, the cash portion is often highly insured by the Great Revenue Service of the Public Good (precisely the institution this clown was attempting to shirk by hopping aboard an underground railway through the Great Digital Wild West).

    11. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unstated: also wanted to avoid Canadian taxes on said money....

      Canada taxes based on where you live. He was a Canadian citizen living in the U.S., so not subject to Canadian taxes on the money he earned while living in the U.S. I have several Canadian friends who work in the U.S. They have to be careful to monitor the time they spend visiting Canada on vacations and such. If they began (or ended) work in the U.S. partway through the year, and their visits to Canada push them over 183 days in Canada for the year, suddenly they are a Canadian resident for the year and owe Canadian taxes on everything they made. The U.S. taxes the money anyway since it was earned in the U.S.

      I went through the reverse situation (U.S. citizen working in Canada). The U.S. taxes not just based on where you earned the money, but also on citizenship. So I was subject to double-taxation. Canada taxed my income because my job was in Canada. The U.S. taxed my income because I was a U.S. citizen. The two countries have a tax treaty so I only paid the greater of the two income taxes on my wages. But the treaty only covered earned income (you can apply your Canadian earned income tax bill as a credit to your U.S. earned income tax bill). If I had lived in Canada, any unearned income - interest from a savings account, investments, sales of stock which had appreciated, etc - would've been subject to double taxation. Both countries would've made me pay taxes on it. So I ended up living just across the border in the U.S. and commuted to work in Canada, and telecommuted often enough so I never passed 183 days per year in Canada.

      California was another small nightmare. California taxes based on citizenship as well, and will still try to claim you are a California citizen (resident) even if you move to another country, and will try to make you pay California taxes on everything you make abroad. To thwart them, you first have to set up residency in another state before you move abroad. Preferably a state with no income taxes so they don't try to pull the same thing. So even if I had decided to live in Canada, I would've first had to have lived in Washington state long enough to get a driver's license there to officially shed my California residency.

      The fees actually aren't your biggest concern. Exchange rates are always fluctuating. When I moved most of my Canadian funds back to the U.S., I did it a little at a time over a span of a couple months. If I had transferred it all at once, I could've lost a lot of money to a transient blip in the exchange rate. That happened to the owner of the company I was working at. He panicked when the U.S. Dollar began falling in Sept-Oct 2007 and converted all of the company's U.S. funds to Canadian in early November 2007. That happened to be

    12. Re:He didn't say "investment" by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      The funny part is that ANY transfer of bitcoin is going to cost you 8%. That's the standard fee for any transaction.

    13. Re:He didn't say "investment" by vux984 · · Score: 2

      "Its pretty common to put your life savings with one bank or brokerage firm."

      And there's a good reason people trust banks. They are pretty heavily regulated and insured, and they don't go belly up with everyones money gone when someone in management turns into a crook or corpse.

      "The crypto would have been better off in a personal hardware wallet: providing he took proper precautions"

      Really it would not. The proper precautions are pretty involved. You need to contend with everyhting from a power supply failure to a mugging to the possibility you have cryptocurrency stealing malware on your device to your own poorly timed heart attack. (not so much for yourself on that last one but for your family).

      And you'd STILL need to break up the transaction into a bunch of smaller ones and use multiple wallets because you can't easily avoid single points of failure and the only reasonable mitigation is to do it in $10k chunks or something so if something goes horribly wrong at just the wrong time you are only out $10k.

      " I'm sure someone who is a software developer could easily figure out how to manage that."

      Right, because robust backups AND private key management are both easy, and software developers rarely fuck these up. Thanks for the lulz.

    14. Re:He didn't say "investment" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      An insurance company of good reputation? Where? Who? When? WTF?

      Have you just not done your homework and mistaken an advertising budget for good reputation?

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    15. Re: He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A share is rarely if ever in your name if purchased through a broker. When they go under or steal, you file a claim with SIPC, assuming the broker was a member.

    16. Re: He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If nobody is too big to fail, then even the big financials could fail on you.

    17. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a load of crap. I've paid as low as 1/2% to go from BTC to Hong Kong dollars at one exchange. I pay less than that at vending machines even. And 3-4% is not uncommon either for an exchange. BitPay while not an exchange will convert your Bitcoin to USD for 1% fee. Some vending machines will charge 20% in highly regulated areas like New York. But if you live there your an idiot. You can get a lot more for your money by moving some place where the cost of living to income ratio is MUCH MUCH higher. I moved from NJ to NH and got twice the house at half the price, lower property taxes, zero sales taxes, and so on. Same salary. The prices of homes in North Carolina are seemingly an even better deal. However they have sales taxes and there are a different set of risks and costs to living there.

    18. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unstated: also wanted to avoid Canadian taxes on said money....

      Canada does not have taxes on money, or currency controls at the border. You can bring in/take out as much as you want at anytime.

      If you are moving large amounts of cash (over $10,000) across the border, you need to declare it and fill out the correct form. But even in that case no taxes apply.

    19. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or buy eggs, but keep them and use them as eggs are supposed to be used, and don't be a crushingly stupid dipshit who trades them for Magic Ultramasculine Galtbucks that fluctuate wildly and have no backing.

    20. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and no. If you don't pay the standard fee, the transaction can take longer, but due to randomness it might still go within 10 minutes. If you pay no fee, the transaction may, or may not, ever complete.

      It's an incentive to add your transaction to the regular queue, not quite a "pay this much, or else". Even the standard fee doesn't guarantee you make it into the next 1 (or more) blocks. Not everyone runs the bitcoin miner with the same settings.

    21. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Premature optimisation is the root of all evil - and suffering.

    22. Re:He didn't say "investment" by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Would you be okay if there was another housing market crash and your property lost half of it's value? Probably because you don't have all of your "eggs in one basket".

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    23. Re:He didn't say "investment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer bacon for breakfast. He should have bought bacon.

      Wait, what were we talking about?

    24. Re:He didn't say "investment" by ZincFinger · · Score: 1

      I am a Canadian expat in the Middle East who went through the trouble of hiring an experienced international tax lawyer from a major law firm to make sure our last tax return, and separation from Canada, was bulletproof. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but being considered a 'Canadian tax resident' is not linked at all with physical residency. Being deemed a tax resident is linked with having enough ties back to Canada or demonstrating the intent of coming back. Spending more than half a year in Canada (this also dictates provincial taxes, which is all or nothing: a full year or none) certainly ticks both. However, even if you spend an entire fiscal year abroad, CRA can still deem you a tax resident owing the exact same amount of taxes to CRA as if you had worked in Canada (minus the difference paid in your country of residence, which in my case is el zippo). To add insult to injury, there is no actual expat tax code to follow, you can only go with prior court cases. But say you kept your Canadian professional membership, rented your house to your sister at below fair market value, kept all your bank and credit accounts, and contributed to your registered retirement plan: you will be deemed tax resident by CRA, no doubt about it.

  26. "So, ..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. The answer is always "No".

  27. Fools's gold by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    That is what cryptocurrency should be called. Because that is just what it is.

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  28. sounds like tax avoidance by hdyoung · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure "saving on fees" was the real motivation here. Tax avoidance sounds a lot more likely. In any case, ouch. Note to all 30 year olds: just because you're smart in one area doesn't mean you're master of all. Be careful. What you don't know CAN hurt you. Hard lesson to learn but I'm not sure which lesson is relevant here.

    If the guy was just trying to save bank fees, then the lesson is "banks exist and charge fees for a reason and now you know why".

    If he was trying to avoid taxes, the lesson is "you want to operate outside the law you better be ready for the wild, wild west, baby!".

    1. Re:sounds like tax avoidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was naive, but neither USA nor Canada have wealth taxes (nor any tax on importing/exporting your savings). What tax do you think he was trying to avoid?

    2. Re:sounds like tax avoidance by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure "saving on fees" was the real motivation here. Tax avoidance sounds a lot more likely. ...

      As I mentioned elsewhere, Nerdwallet lists the average international bank wire fees as $45 outgoing and $13 incoming, so he risked $422 US to save $58.

      I hadn't considered tax issues, if there are any. A post on a CanadaVisa site forum says:

      Transferring money between US and Canada is fairly simple. Several Canadian banks have the ability to open a US based account with the same or partner bank. Transfers between your accounts are then very simple. I would suggest that you speak to an accountant with experience in crossborder taxes.

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    3. Re:sounds like tax avoidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note to all 30 year olds: just because you're smart in one area doesn't mean you're master of all.

      Seeing as this site for nerds, how about this as a description:
      Despite a high int, this guy fumbled a check vs wis.

    4. Re:sounds like tax avoidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except HSBC allows transfers between HSBC accounts in multiple countries without fees. The only thing I know of he could possibly have been trying to avoid is wire transfer fees. But for the amount of money he was talking about, moving between his own bank accounts should have been free.

      So I think this guy may have been stupid for several reasons.

    5. Re:sounds like tax avoidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He might have been avoiding having to tell the Canadian bank were the money was coming from. Money laundering 101.

    6. Re:sounds like tax avoidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He should have just done it the old fashioned way and bought blood diamonds and shoved him up his ass while fleeing.

  29. So much for decentralized by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    When one person holds the key to your wealth it better be you personally.

    How many users were aware that a single person controlled a key that if lost would wipe out their money?

    1. Re:So much for decentralized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to think all of them. If you are using an exchange to purchase or sell cryptocurrency your taking a risk. Some of us accept cryptocurrency and spend cryptocurrency regularly without taking substantial risks like this. It's mostly the "investors" who are risking everything. The rest of us who actually utilize it how it was intended have done well, but some long term "investors" have done very well. Lets me honest- even after Bitcoin's recent drop in value long term users are still swimming in piles of Bitcoin. It's still done wayy better than any stocks you've invested in have done. At least over the long haul. You'd be sick just seeing what I've saved because of zero or near zero fees over the past 7 years let alone profited off as a non-investor from having small amounts of Bitcoin (ie $10k or thereabout give or take) which has been used to buy shit. Half my life is subsidized by about 36%. Imagine paying 36% less on everything. Cause that's my life and it's all thanks to cryptocurrencies.

  30. Come on by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Informative

    They get to learn the hard way why each discrete financial regulation we have today was enacted.

    It's not like countless people have not lost money from highly regulated banks as well.

    I've lost way more money on bullshit fees and predatory practices than I've ever lost through cryptocurrency. At least there I can be in some control over maintaining my own wallet if I wish.

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    1. Re:Come on by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      Credit Union. No BS fees, highly regulated, insured, professional, not bullshit like crytpocurrency.

    2. Re:Come on by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Credit Union. No BS fees

      I use a few credit unions myself but they are hardly immune from bullshit fees (just not as many). $25 every time I do a wire for a SEP contribution really irks me, for example.

      Also my credit union just implemented some stupid rule you can only transfer $1k per day, meaning that for many practical personal transfers I literally have to withdraw cash, and drive it to another bank to get it transferred in a timely manner. Stupid.

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    3. Re:Come on by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      If a similar situation happened with a standard bank, a government could step in and help out. In the US, for instance, FDIC insures $250k per person per account type (with eight different account types).

      In order to qualify for FDIC, the bank has to agree to certain additional regulations and auditing that make it less likely for this sort of issue to occur. So this would almost certainly not happen with a standard bank. Cryptocurrency sucks.

    4. Re:Come on by geoskd · · Score: 1

      use a few credit unions myself but they are hardly immune from bullshit fees

      Not all credit unions are the same. Many border on being as bad as the banks, but quite a few are significantly better. As a general rule, stay away from any that are administered, or affiliated with a labor union, as those folks are only half a step above criminal anyways. Better to stick with one of the older more mature ones, and make damn sure to do your homework first.

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    5. Re:Come on by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      It's not like countless people have not lost money from highly regulated banks as well.

      Contradiction in terms. And where's the FDIC insurance for your cyroptocurrency snafu's like this one?

  31. LOLOLOL by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Bwahaha this guy's an idiot! When you have 6-digit amounts of money, you don't put such a large fraction of it in any one bank, never mind in some sketchy-ass cryptocurrency exchange! His net worth must've been all over the fucking place since it was basically tied to cryptocurrency values! Did he look at his life savings losing and earning (but mostly losing) the value of a high-end sports car every day and think "Yes, this is fine"!?

    Oh, and there's the fact moving such quantities of money through such unaccountable mechanisms likely amounts to some kind of white-collar crime - or is at least an indication that he's likely engaged in some. Could be another hilarious self-own in the making!

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  32. Cryptocurrencies are no different than stocks by atrex · · Score: 1

    If you're going to invest in crypto currencies, then, you better be prepared to lose it all. It's no different than if you invested all your money in one company's stock and then that company went belly up the next day. Crypto currencies are not banks or credit unions, they are most likely not insured like a bank/credit union inside the US would be.

    1. Re:Cryptocurrencies are no different than stocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cryptocurrencies are quite a bit worse than stocks. If you don't understand why this is then you need to start educating yourself.

  33. Still don't believe it for a second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still don't believe for a microsecond that a) this guy is actually dead and b) that this crypto is inaccessible.

    You can bet that when the brouhaha calms down those funds will be quietly and privately transferred out using some zk-snarks currency.

  34. I tole you by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I'm not one to say I told you so, but...

    https://youtu.be/9AajslFuPro

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  35. He was doing well till then by lamer01 · · Score: 1

    To have $422K by the time you're 30 is pretty good.

  36. Eggs in a basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something about putting eggs in a basket applies here.

  37. Re:He didn't work for it. So I'm not crying for hi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I would have been sad for him, if he had actually worked hard, preferably to create something great or good, and lost what he deserved and earned.

    But I'm not ever gonna cry for somebody who merely makes money. Be it through some cryptocurrency or other finance industry trickery, or by commanding others to work and stealing half their earnings for the "responsibility" and "risk"... of firing the closest pawn and carrying on when something goes tits up.

    You know why?
    Because I actually had to work for my money. I treated my clients fairly. I earned it.
    So I'm not gonna let some leech have me be his dancing monkey for money that he didn't work for! That's theft! That's prison for him! (At least in a world that isn't ruled by those leeches.)

    Umm, people who actually WORK don't have "clients".

    Fields that have "clients" are a first-world luxury, which pretty much would make you a leech, now wouldn't it?

  38. Even for a second by DogDude · · Score: 1

    He was supposedly just moving money around (was it legal? I don't know), but I wouldn't give that amount of money to some unknown, startup company even for a millisecond. That amount of money only gets moved around from credit union to credit union with wires, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't even do a cashier's check for that amount of money.

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  39. Re:lol by HarrySquatter · · Score: 0

    It pretty much took everything away from me.

    Isn't that the whole point of the buttcoin scheme? To part idiots and their money?

    LOL @ this dumbass thinking he was the special snowflake who was gonna hit the lottery and now is bawwwing for sympathy.

  40. Stupid kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have exactly 10% of my worth in cryptocurrencies. Even that amount is purely gamble/speculative because in 2012-13 I was mining and happened to hit gold for a few coins and have never moved them. I have held on to these coins through the tough parts. I cashed out a few bucks when it was at $20k but nowadays I just trade and rake in the cash.

  41. Key is diversity everywhere, always by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Its pretty common to put your life savings with one bank or brokerage firm.

    That is just a little more stupid than what this guy did to my mind. It's "insured" but what happens in the event of a truly huge failure or complete market crash? Insurance only works to a point.

    I have multiple banks, brokerages. Those are all independent from what my wife has. Why would you NOT keep several sources to store income, rather than risk losing it all?? It's really easy to have multiple money stores, just make sure they are documented so you remember.

    The crypto would have been better off in a personal hardware wallet: providing he took proper precautions

    Totally agree there. Then he could have had multiple forms of backup. I generally try to use exchanges as just that, and keep funds in a wallet I can control. I do keep some with the exchanges though just as yet another possible source...

    But I wouldn't have piped it all through one exchange, through one currency... would have done some largish amount in cash as well, even with the fees.

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    1. Re:Key is diversity everywhere, always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the recent Wells Fargo outage, this should be even more obvious.

    2. Re:Key is diversity everywhere, always by lgw · · Score: 2

      The FDIC has your back up to a point. If there are mass bank failures and the FDIC fails, having two bank accounts is useless. All that works then is a gun and a neighbor who has lots of food and gold and hates guns.

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  42. Go Back to Communist China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't lose your life savings if you aren't allowed to own things!

  43. Not crying at least by Anrego · · Score: 1

    At least from the tone of the article, it doesn't sound like he is playing the pity card or blaming anyone but himself, so I'll give him credit for that.

    There are much safer while still being cheaper ways of exchanging money using securities, usually using dual listed ETFs like DLR(.TO). Maybe not as cheap as this scheme, but the only real risk is if the exchange rate goes to shit during the week or so this all takes, compared to the colossal risk associated with anything crypto related.

  44. 400K at 30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the big deal I know people who still have college debt at 30 and not a single $ of savings. He'll get over it.

    1. Re:400K at 30 by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Someone already said it above, but this too was my reaction (I mean, after "the hell was he thinking"). This would have been far worse had he been some poor sap 3 days from retirement with his cottage already picked out and his grand kids excited to spend more time with him.

      In today's age if you're in the black at 30, you're pretty far ahead of most. If he was able to squirrel away 400k at this point in his life, we'll probably be fine.

  45. How naive are you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems all(?) commenters here think, the owner is really died!

    Look at how public interest in cryptocurrencies died (for a while now)!
    Is it really hard to guess that the business was going bad for a while & the owner decided to runaway w/ all customer money, instead of declaring bankruptcy?

    Why the owner decided to go to India?
    Supposedly, "to build an orphanage"! :-)

    Is it hard to guess he went there because it was cheap/easy to buy a fake dead certificate?

    If he is really dead then where is the body?
    Is anybody saw/verified the body?

  46. Re:lol by supremebob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Deposited his life savings into Quadriga CX's digital exchange" were the stupidity keywords that convinced me not to feel sorry for him.

    After all of the Bitcoin exchanges that have failed over the past few years, why do people still DO this?

  47. Zhou Tonged FTW !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Search youtube: Zhou Tonged

    Lol :-)

  48. Quadriga Imbroglio by G-Man · · Score: 1

    He should have known a Quadriga Imbroglio was a bad place to stash his life savings - Alfa Romeos are notoriously unreliable.

  49. When we find him in india by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When we find the founder in India with our 120 million in crypto, we're going to be angry with him.

  50. Cryptocurrencies are the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guys loss is MY gain.

  51. Seems like a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not buying his story. He has nearly half a million just sitting in the bank and decides to dump it all into a currency exchange to avoid conversion rates? That seems highly unlikely. He'd have been much better off buying stocks, or just taking the hit in the conversion rate than dealing with the Bitcoin transfer mark-up. I looked into this a while back and, even when Bitcoin was level or edging upward, the gap between buying and selling digital currency was greater than the cost of converting between USD and CAD.

    So either he's telling the truth and didn't do his homework, or he is lying and got busted when the exchange went belly up.

    1. Re:Seems like a lot by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      He'd have to convert it back to real money at some point, so he's not avoiding any costs involved in that. There'd always be a certain small loss going from USD -> Crypto -> CAD. What he was trying to do was save the $58 in wire transfer fees. For the sake of that, he risked $560,000 by giving it to a shady startup company.

    2. Re:Seems like a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he was trying to do was save the $58 in wire transfer fees. For the sake of that, he risked $560,000 by giving it to a shady startup company.

      Yeah, here in the United States that's what we call a dumb shit move. Yet another reason why the rest of us shouldn't touch crypto currencies with a ten foot pole. It's a giant scam. Incidents like this prove the point.

  52. Re:lol by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Deposited his life savings into Quadriga CX's digital exchange" were the stupidity keywords that convinced me not to feel sorry for him.

    After all of the Bitcoin exchanges that have failed over the past few years, why do people still DO this?

    TFS says he, "just wanted to save a few bucks on transfer fees" moving from CA to Vancouver, so he probably just intended to park the money for a very short time while he moved and found a new bank. Seems dumb in any case. Nerdwallet lists the average international bank wire fees at $45 outgoing and $13 incoming, so he risked $422K US to save $58. Cheaper still would have been to bring some cash, deposit a check to open a new account and use a CC for a bit. Some life lessons are hard, but "penny wise and pound foolish" doesn't have to be one of them.

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  53. Re:lol by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, that is why I am really skeptical of they guy's story. If all he was really trying to do was save money on transfering between banks, transfering all his money into an exchange (which has a a fee), then finding enough sellers to convert nearly half a million dollars into crypto (which also has fees), then later find enough buyers to convert it back (more fees) and finally transfer it back to a bank? That makes zero sense unless he also believed it would be making money in the process.

  54. Yes that risk is crazy by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    plus that third currency is extremely volatile

    I had many of the same thoughts you did, but especially this one I don't see questioned my many other people - moving 500k into BTC or the like, even if only for a day is a huge risk in terms of volatility. What if that is the day BTC decided to take a 20% drop just for fun? In fact you can almost be sure that speculators noting such a large volume of purchase would figure out some way to screw the guy short term to make him panic and sell...

    I still see BTC as a viable investment, but as short term storage it is nuts and then there are the other factors you mentioned. He was absolutely trying to do something.

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  55. It sounds like he was being penny wise and by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    pound foolish. Why would a smart person risk that much money on something as notoriously unreliable as bitcoin just to save a few $ in wire transfer fees?

    1. Re:It sounds like he was being penny wise and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would a smart person risk that much money on something as notoriously unreliable as bitcoin just to save a few $ in wire transfer fees?

      He sounds like one of those book smart people who haven't got a goddamn clue how the real world works. There's a lot of them in tech these days.

  56. What if he paid someone to drive a uhaul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is only interesting to Slashdot as it's a fringe crypto currency. It would be less interesting, but not much more of a duh if the headline was "chump pays guys he doesn't know to drive a van full of cash across border, but never hears from them again"

    It's kind of amazing he admitted this, as I THINK (but am too lazy to find out) that he probably violated cash xfer terrorism laws in the USA.

  57. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a house for $500,000 stop payment and forget to give the bank the keys. I'm sure the Supreme Halifax court will grant him protection from creditors too right? Oh shit the justice system functions the same way in Canada as it does here in US. Good luck bro. You are better off bankrupting entire states with greedy lending practices and asking for a bailout afterwards. Then the poor idiots with faith in the USD foot the bill through inflation.

  58. Moron Is Stupid, Loses His Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus Christ /., you're scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
    This fucking moran earned his fate.

  59. It is not tax avoidance by Solandri · · Score: 1

    He already paid U.S. taxes on all the money when he earned it in the U.S. And there's no Canadian law requiring you to pay any Canadian taxes on money you bring into the country.

    1. Re:It is not tax avoidance by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Taxes? No, but it's illegal to bring more than $10,000 into Canada without declaring it to customs. There's no charge or fee or tax to do so, they just need to have it on file. If you don't declare it, then they'll seize it and levy fines (and then return to you the money less the fines). If you declare it, it costs you nothing.

      In any event, transfer fees are infinitesimal compared to the amount he was sending. My bank would charge a total of $58 CAD (combined from both ends) to do this in the opposite direction, which on that sum of money would be a roughly 0.01% transfer fee. For the same of saving that 0.01%, he risked (and lost) his life savings. It was an extraordinarily dumb thing to do, and while it sucks, he should have known better.

    2. Re:It is not tax avoidance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's only if you bring it in as cash or something similar. It's so there is a paper trail. It doesn't apply to things like credit card transactions, personal checks, interbank transfers and the like. So it would only have been relevant if the guy was dumb enough to try to carry all the money as cash. Interestingly enough, he would have a better chance of getting his money back if he had tried to take it all as cash and had the government seize it as drug money.

  60. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen you call everyone on this post a "snowflake".
    You see, when everyone has a problem with you, the problem isn't everyone. The problem is you.
    Maybe you're the snowflake here.

  61. Double Whammy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He lost all his money AND moved to Vancouver.

  62. Re:Because Your CU Is Shit All CU Are Shit? NICE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh Kendall, do you never tire of fallacies and logical errors? Seriously, go to fucking school you retard. Your own personal experience is not the limit of the universe. You might just be surprised by how much you don't fucking know if you gave it chance..

  63. Re:lol by HarrySquatter · · Score: 0

    How am I the snowflake, Sinji? I'm not the incel being triggered by someone being called a "bro."

  64. Re:lol by HarrySquatter · · Score: 2

    Dunning-Kruger effect. They think they are smarter than all the other idiots who were scammed.

  65. Re: lol by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    why do people still DO this?

    Metal poisoning. It's all the aluminum in the air.

  66. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what the fuck is "snowflake" and an "incel"? jesus you millennials have had your whole vocabulary altered by your own brain damaged impression of what society should be. grow the fuck up, nancy. you're never going to make it in this world whining about "snowflakes" and "incels".

  67. No Tax In Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no tax imposed on money coming into Canada that I can find, other than the CBSA wants you to declare if you'll be bringing in more than $10K when you arrive. They want you to declare it, and they'll fine you (and potentially confiscate it) if you don't, but there's no tax. This guy is an idiot or up to something shady...

    And also - Vancouver? Why would you choose to immigrate to the most expensive city on the west coast... the cost of living there is double anywhere else, he must be paying a small fortune for the AirBNB alone!

  68. You seem to confuse them with slaves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When did the retards from the organized crime and slave foundation get mod points again? Only god comments modded down and coke-headed psychopathic money leech comments modded up.

    A farmer has clients.
    A car mechanic does.
    A desert bazaar importer/exporter does.
    So their OMGWORKINALLCAPS is not "real(TM) work" because they're not slaves? ... Fuck off!

    It's only in your little brainwashed American psychopath capitalist world, where the slaves act like their slave position is the real correct way of life as they have been told to think. Good thing you're currently at your rope's end; going down the drain quicker than Hillartrumpobamadubbyaclinteney can say something stupid and evil again.

  69. No sympathy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He should've invested in tulips instead.

  70. Re:lol by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    How am I the snowflake, Sinji? I'm not the incel being triggered by someone being called a "bro."

    Incels, snowflakes? Have I stumbled upon the comments section of Youtube?

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  71. Re: lol by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    why do people still DO this?

    Metal poisoning. It's all the aluminum in the air.

    Chemtrails.

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  72. Another aphorism bites the dust. by quenda · · Score: 1

    Apparently, you can take it with you.

  73. I feel sorry for the guy by dskoll · · Score: 1

    But really... A software engineer who puts his life savings entirely in cryptocurrency is not a good software engineer. He should have known better.

    1. Re:I feel sorry for the guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any person who puts his/her life savings entirely in cryptocurrency is not a smart person. Because anybody with 1/2 a working neuron understands that cryptocurrency is about as good as investing on a pyramid scheme.

    2. Re:I feel sorry for the guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dumb thing is leaving it in an exchange.
      A friend got all his bitcoins (or, bitcoin without the s) wiped out because he left it in an exchange.. in an open buy position, so he maybe made something like a 50x gain from a small amount of money but it was all eaten and then some by the fees.

  74. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently you have never used a crypto exchange. If the exchanges are done properly like on gdax you don't pay a penny. I in total probably traded tripple digit thousands on there during the bubble and never paid a penny

  75. He uncovered an unexpected failure mode by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

    This unfortunate fellow uncovered a failure mode of a technology. Pitot tubes icing over (Air France Flight 447 had iced over pitot tubes); faulty sensors and an aggressive safety system (The Lion Air 737 crash); the recent Wells Fargo outage reportedly due to a data center issue highlighted some issues with a cashless econonomy.

    Very unfortunate but safety rules are written in blood (and money).

  76. Re: lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do people still DO this? a) They don't read /. or Bloomberg or keep up-to-date with crypto news; b) they live in this bubble, c) they don't wear tinfoil hats d) they got money to burn e) all of the above

  77. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot comments reached Youtube level quite a while ago I'm afraid.
    Oops...sorry I forgot to add the obligatory YOU STUPID FAGGOT!! ;)

  78. Re: lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are main stream media terms to demean anyone under 40.

  79. This was entirely preventable by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

    Smart people don't trust their cryptocurrency to exchanges. They only keep what they're immediately buying or selling at the exchange and keep the rest of it offline, whether in a hardware wallet (like one of the Trezor or Ledger devices) or even in a paper wallet (such as the ones produced by bitaddress.org) stashed away in a safe place. Instead, for want of a minute and a piece of paper, the subject of TFA is out over $400k.

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    1. Re:This was entirely preventable by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      There's also no good reason to not have multiple copies of your offline wallet if you have more than $10 or 20k worth in there. If you have hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars worth, then you need to be spending a lot more on your automatic replication and backup strategy to ensure nothing can happen to it.

      If you're storing $137 million in a cold wallet on an encrypted laptop which only one person can decrypt, that's like leaving that cash in the trunk of the CEOs car and just hoping no one noticed and he never got rear-ended at a stoplight. Did the company have absolutely no one in charge of risk management to point these things out? The level of incompetence is just mind-boggling.

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  80. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How am I the snowflake, Sinji? I'm not the incel being triggered by someone being called a "bro."

    Panda the Bear wuvs you Harry. Do you wuv panda back?

  81. The Fool and His Money are Soon Parted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tong Zou sounds like one of those oh-so-smart know-it-all techies who think that fees and taxes don't apply to them because they're smarter than everyone else. Personally, I'm very satisfied with this outcome. How many people have suffered from high rents or being automated out of a job because of people like him? Serves him right.

  82. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only logical reason is he thought he would save money on "fees", most likely those of 2 government taxing authorities.

  83. Dude, that sucks. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    I feel sorry for this guy. And yes I think it's a very bad idea to put all your savings into some unregulated storage, but still.
    Health is more worth than money and he seems to make the best of it, so good luck to him.

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  84. So the passwords were stored in one dude's head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and now he's dead!

      What a totally, fucked up company! I think some of the higher ups could be facing Bubba's dick up their asses in prison for this theft.

  85. I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought maybe he was just not that bright but after reading his entire CV I don't buy that. This guy was coding payment systems and stock analysis software over 12 years ago already. He is Canadian and obviously has Canadian bank accounts. Practically every major bank in Canada asks if you want to link a US bank account to your Canadian one for free. Hell, many Canadians prefer to keep a decent portion of their savings in the US linked account. There is no exchange fees or anything for this. Even if he wanted to blanket bank transfer the whole amount over it would only cost at most $75 CAD.

    There is more to the story, that's for sure. Like maybe he was claiming expenses for tax deductions in the US but really the "losses/deductions" were actually just money going into crypto. In that case I can see why he'd just want to flip his money all back to CAD and come back home. He is not an American citizen so the American world wide tax laws won't apply to him after this year.

    Anyway, something is screwed here.

  86. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  87. Say those two words really quickly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quadriga Imbroglio, again, again and then again. I double dog dare you!

  88. I wonder.... by ColaMan · · Score: 1

    how long it would take for 115,000 clients with distributed password cracking software to crack the exchange keys?

    Certainly sounds like they've got a lot of motivation to give it a go, and a reasonable proportion of them would have access to decent hardware.

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    1. Re:I wonder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would take 15 billions years down from a couple thousand trillion years?

    2. Re:I wonder.... by n0nsensical · · Score: 1

      There are no keys because there never was any wallet

  89. And then there's the Enron lesson too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do people continue to ignore that massive warning?

    Reminder for the younger folks here on Slashdot: There once was an energy trading company called "Enron". Enron had fantastic growth, on paper and in the press anyways, while it was a supposed pioneer in all sorts of energy-related business activites. It essentially blackmailed California over electricity to the point of the state experiencing "rolling blackouts" that eventually cost the governor his job in a recall. Enron also famously invented the concept of "carbon trading" and a market place for things called "carbon offsets". At the peak of all the hype, the company executives encouraged all their employees to put all their retirement investments into Enron stocks (later investigations would reveal that these same executives were not doing this and were in many cases selling). Many employees were entralled with the growth potential of their investments in the much-hyped Enron and put all their money into those stocks and when the company suddnely collapsed they were all completely financially wiped out.

    All the news networks ran endless stories about all the people destroyed by this and the lesson everybody was told to learn was that it is extremely unwise to put all your financial eggs into one basket. It's a lesson that has been taught repeatedly throughout history (famously by the Great Depression) but the Enron lesson was rather recent. Some people who seem otherwise intelligent just seem to be immune to being even slightly wise.

  90. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably would cost him much more on currency conversion from USD to CAD. Maybe he wanted to pull it off using crypto exchange which has lower fees (if they offered CAD). For this amount it's better to use Schwab or some other proper forex trader.

  91. Yes, and there's a reason he was a "victim" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a classic comedy movie stariing George C Scott called "The Flim Flam Man" in which the con artist character played by Mr Scott explains it well. He points out that the best people to target in a scam are the ones who are trying to get away with something, the ones who think they are going to get some benefit by doing something somewhat unethical or illegal. They are the ones who will act a little recklessly and do business with somebody of dubious ethics, and they are also the ones less likely to run to the police when they realize they have been conned.

    This guy seems to have been willing to do soomething very financially dangerous (putting all his money into the hands of somebody not an actual financial professional with insurance) in order to get around tax rules. It all seemed vey clever to him, no doubt, and he probably thought himself smarter than most people in his evasion of taxes --- until he lost everything.

    His real nightmare might not even be over, since if the taxing authorities get interested in this they could go after him for unpaid taxes and he would probably still be liable for all the unpaid taxes and penalties and might even be criminally liable.

  92. Boo fucking hoo by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    What is they say about putting all your eggs in one basket? Plenty of people manage to get by with 0 in savings let alone around half a fucking million. Fuck off. No one cares.

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  93. Re: lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Incel basically means 'virgin'. Somehow it's used as a generic insult against all men these days. Really says a lot about the dumbasses that use it.

    I'd argue that anyone who uses incel as an insult is likely the real incel in the room.

  94. Not your keys, not your crypto. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    See subject. Repeat until it sinks in.

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  95. Most definitely ill-gotten gains by n0nsensical · · Score: 1

    Most definitely ill-gotten gains. Why else would you prefer this over a $50 wire transfer fee unless you're trying to hide the source of your funds from government authorities?

  96. Place your bets by n0nsensical · · Score: 1

    Ok people place your bets, what really happened here?

    A. Cold wallet never existed, founder faked his own death, transferred funds out long time ago, without the knowledge of his wife or the board. Nobody will roll over because nobody actually knows anything.

    B. Cold wallet never existed, founder faked his own death, transferred funds out long time ago, with the full knowledge of his wife and the board, who were all in on the conspiracy to redistribute the funds after the bankruptcy proceedings were long over. Somebody will roll over faced with the possibility of extradition to the United States and life in a U.S. Federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison.

    C. Cold wallet never existed, founder told his wife this fact and the whereabouts of the actual funds, she lured him to India and killed him with some spicy Vindaloo. Board never involved. She may or may not roll over under interrogation faced with the possibility of extradition to the United States and life in a U.S. Federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison.

    D. Cold wallet never existed, founder told his wife this fact and the whereabouts of the actual funds, she lured him to India and killed him with some spicy Vindaloo. Board was in on the conspiracy to redistribute the funds, and are now covering their asses, but somebody will roll over faced with the possibility of extradition to the United States and life in a U.S. Federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison.

  97. our world by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    we live in a world where a thirty year old can be "smart" enough to amass $420K in saving, but dense enough to invest it all in crypto.

  98. Re:lol by Woeful+Countenance · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that "... the sudden death of the firm's founder left C$190 million in cryptocurrencies protected by his passwords unretrievable." Seems like a lot of people didn't do due diligence. Or this is a cover story, and the money actually went somewhere else. Bernie Madoff could've had a big win if he'd faked his own death that the right time. (But, hey, that guy's still a player: cornered the market on Swiss Miss in prison.)

  99. He will bounce back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was a severe loss, but it was only seven years' savings, and he's only 30. This will only be a temporary setback for him. If this is indeed money he saved from working seven years, then he has apparently been saving $2700 to $3500 a month, depending on whether he's been putting it in CDs at 1% or investing it at 7%. If he keeps doing this, then by the time he's 60, he'll probably be worth $1.5 to $4 million dollars US, depending on the interest rate. Indeed, as he gets older and his income increases, he should be able to increase his monthly savings rate, which will make him even richer. He's also learned from the school of hard knocks, so I expect him to die a wealthy man.

  100. Isnt't this just an idiot tax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He made a totally idiotic move.