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Tobacco Use is Soaring Among US Kids, Driven By E-cigarettes (axios.com)
Public health officials Monday said there's a growing epidemic of tobacco products currently used by children -- 4.9 million high school and middle school kids used tobacco products in 2018 up from 3.6 million in 2017 -- mainly due to a growth in e-cigarette usage. From a report: For the fifth year in a row, e-cigs were the most popular product amongst high school students, but in 2018 it reached unprecedented epidemic levels, with the addition of another 1.5 million kids, said Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "Current users" are defined as people who've used a tobacco product in past 30 days. "Frequent users" are defined as people who've used the product for more than 20 out of the past 30 days.
I personally doubt they are any better for you, but vape juice is definately not tobacco.
Yeah kids shouldn't be using vapes but should it be considered a tobacco product when it doesn't have tobacco in it? The biggest issues I see with them are that they often contain nicotine which is addictive, and the Fed's refusal to regulate them properly means they could have god knows what in the vape juice. Instead of having the pearl clutching knee jerk of they are evil maybe the FDA should actually regulate the things properly so we can ensure that they don't have unsafe chemicals in them.
âoeFor the fifth year in a row, e-cigs were the most popular product amongst high school students.â
I would have expected social media to be the most popular product. I feel like there are a lot more teens using dangerous things like Facebook and Instagram than e cigarettes.
If I'm Reading this right, about 15% of American adults smoke these days, compared to about 42% of adults in 1942. Granted, this story is about teenagers that will soon be adults, and a million more than expected is not a number to be scoffed at, but really when we start getting numbers down that low, I don't know how much more outrage is necessary. The number is never going to be zero percent, no matter what the Puritans wish.
Maybe lung cancer and whatever eating Tide Pods does to them will keep them from voting for morons like AOC...
Almost all nicotine addiction occurs in middle school (not, as many believe incorrectly, in high school and college), and there are people working for the tobacco addiction industry who know this and are doing what they can to addict the next generations of addicts.
And, don't lie to yourselves, you're addicts.
Me, I do socially acceptable addictions that are common in Seattle instead.
Bubble tea ftw!
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Anything that makes the stupid people easier to identify from a distance is OK by me.
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I am not sure if anyone noticed but an e-cigarette contains no actual tobacco. As a cigar smoker I am sick of it getting lumped in.
Why is everyone moaning? Our leaders' policies will likely light us all up like Krakatoa before we hit 40. Might as well light up and enjoy because the way things are going, smoking is probably the last thing that'll kill you.
As far as I can tell, the people with a vested interest in opposing cigarettes are also vehemently opposed to e-cigarettes, despite their much lower risk profile.
Time and again I find myself reading "news" stories where e-cigarettes are lumped with tobacco use, and many anti-tobacco activists swear up and down that if you vape candy-flavored vape juice FOR SURE you will switch to Marlboro Reds at the first opportunity.
I just don't see how this could be the case -- I smoked for a decade and *liked it*. In the years since I quit I have tried a few cigarettes out of nostalgia and been absolutely repulsed by them. When I smoked I rolled my own, and occasionally a "light" cigarette smoker would want to try one out of curiosity or because they were out, and almost universally they hated them. If an actual cigarette smoker is turned off by a slightly harsher actual cigarette, then the idea anyone who has only or mostly vaped switching to tobacco seems absurd.
Tobacco is BAD but Marijuana is OK!
That burning sensation in your lungs is ALL NATURAL!
Outlawing marijuana would likely have increased its reputation as a "gateway drug". The main reason it's considered a gateway drug is because pushers that sell marijuana often also sell harder drugs and try to push them onto the users. So in fact outlawing it was the complete wrong thing to do.
Children as a catalyst for change is often a tactic employed to the benefit of a particular group. It is obvious that people will choose "e-cigs" if given the proper knowledge, equipment, and most importantly, a lack of associated social stigma over cigarettes. However, vaping products do not put money in the hands of big tobacco, not any worth using that you might actually replace cigarettes with. Moreover the "Stop Smoking" campaigns have largely been effective as well, leaving many groups needing an evil to keep the funding rolling in. So here we are, saving children.
We have an alternative to smoking that improves our health and big tobacco is scared and pulls out the think of the children card. Vaping has saved my life. Do not take it away.
From the study you cited:
The use of NRT is not associated with any increase in the risk of myocardial infarction, stroke, or death.
Did you even?
Like Jesus Christ who told lie, I don't care how he dies.
Here is what really gets me about the tobacco industry.
1. They knowingly and willfully lied about the effects of cigarettes for years (and still do)
2. They fought with so much money and vigor against judgments brought on them they bought themselves over a decade of time: https://www.publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resources/doj-final-opinion.pdf
3. The ads they ended up airing post judgement are stark, monotone and intentionally boring so as to not cause anyone to notice them: https://adage.com/article/cmo-strategy/anti-smoking-tv-ads-big-tobacco-forced-run/311379/
4. By the time the ads aired, they had successfully shifted the narrative from "smoking" to "vaping", even further rendering the ads they were forced to air useless.
On top of all of this...
They knowingly and willfully still sell and market to kids.
They have warped the truth about vaping.
So you end up with over 10+ years and $100s of millions of government money spent to essentially have nothing happen.
Yes it is true that cigarettes have bad stuff in them. But it is also true that vape oil has bad stuff in it too. Best part of it is that the vape oil is not nearly as regulated as what went into a cigarette - so no, you really have no idea whats in that oil, specially the flavored ones.
Im sorry to tell you this but 2nd hand vape is not good either, although it may not be as bad a 2nd hand cigarette smoke. Vape "smoke" is actually an aerosol and so now it can more effectively deliver the nicotine and also the other bad chemicals into your and everyone around you's lungs.
I am so sick and tired of hearing people say, well vape is OK because it is not smoking.
Sorry, that is false. Vaping is bad and it is simply a matter of time before we find out what the real effects of vaping are. After-all it took 30+ years to go from "4 out of 5 docs recommend camels after dinner" to "hmm.. maybe cigarette smoke is bad" and then another 20+ years for the tobacco companies to actually get penalized for deceitful practices.
Look this rant is not about me disparaging those who smoke or anyone's right to smoke if they want (but don't do it around me, cause it's nasty). This is about companies purposefully attempting to deceive and spread misinformation regarding smoking.
FUCK BIG TOBACCO!
this is exactly why tobacco companies lobbied to have E-cigs classified the same as tobacco. Its so that they can get titles like this and draw more attention off them and onto regulations surrounding E-cigs. Then when the small independent juice and device makers are overloaded with costs due to regulations, big tobacco can come in buy everything up and start lobbying for looser regulations on E-cigs, claiming that they are helping while absorbing all of the profits from the industry. its right there in article:
"FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb told Axios the agency will "have to reconsider our enforcement policy" if these numbers aren't turned around"
Guess who will be the ones to enforce a much more stringent enforcement policy?
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
More popular than Apple, Nike, pornography, snow closure days, and Facebook's latest nightmare loss vector?
E-cigs are not totally safe, but they're way safer than smoking marijuana. If you need your THC, get it some other way than inhaling the smoke from burning pot.
As for nicotine, I get mine from using Swedish snus. Far safer than smoking or using American snuff or dip.
The gotta do something with all these excess poors.
Very small quantities of nicotine can be found in the leaves of potatoes, tomatoes, eggplants, and ucuch. If an extraction process is used to purify the nicotine, then it doesn't matter too much if tobacco plants are used or some other related plants. With the advantage of eggplant production having a great deal of green waste that is not regulated like tobacco. And the advantage of ucuch being that it has much higher concentrations of nicotine than tobacco, and is mainly regulated in its use as a pesticide.
How's about a cheaper, cleaner, safer nicotine delivery system? Regulate that shit like caffeine.
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Australia has smoking rates half in the last 15 years from around 30% to 15%
- We banned tobacco advertising in the 80's
- Put them behind counters out of sight in the 90's
- Instigated plain packaging and banned them from clubs & pubs, office buildings, restaurants in the 00's
- Highest tax in the world making cigs. about $1/stick, so 20/day will set you back $7k/yr
- Poor people are twice as likely to smoke as rich.
- Country people smoke twice as much as city people.
Of our 70 staff, none of our engineers or management smoke (30 staff): about 5 production staff smoke.
I saw most of them try vaping last year, but they all went back to cigarettes because... well I think laziness...
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Really? Is this Buzzfeed? I'd expect something a bit more reasonable. As others have pointed out, ecigs != tobacco and nicotine != tobacco.
While nicotine can be extracted from tobacco, and calling it a "tobacco product" is technically correct, but also not. I am guessing it can probably be synthesised by now as well.
The harm from tobacco is all the other crap that Big Tobacco sprays it with to make it burn faster, or more addictive, or whatever other conspiricies you wish to cook up.
Big Tobacco would love nothing more that to get Ecigs banned, so they can have their monopoly back.
I can honestly say that the only drug weed is a gateway to is diet pills. And even that seems debatable.
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Yeah, so....not tobacco. Nicotine? Sure. Undeniable and verifiable. Tobacco? Not such much. Just another sorry and sordid example of what passes for "journalism" these days. I swear, yellow journalism was once a thing and it still is, only it can reach many,many more people much more quickly than ever before.
"E-cigarette Use is Soaring Among US Kids, Authorities Choose to Manufacturer a 'Tobacco' Crisis by Playing a Game of Semantics" - FTFY
Adolescence is a fairly recent social trends that came about as a economic effect. I say Trend because it's the idea is only around a hundred years old,. These "kids" you speak of , their age group built this civilization, country, sciences, industry... The foundation of everything we enjoy today. They ruled countries, they created the modern world... But they can't Vape if they want to..
Someone somewhere else pointed out that nicotine substitutes (patch, gum) don't work as well as you would think.
It's just another crack in the dam of liberty. The nanny state will flood in from all sides one day, and we will all wonder where our nation went.
Ban everything that could potentially harm some one. Guess what, we aren't going to all suddenly live to be 120. We're still going to die in our 80's because after a certain point it's genetics that determines your final age. Maybe the FDA should worry more about potassium bromate in bread than about nicotine free vape juice.
Amazingly I pay a higher tax on pipe tobacco than I pay on ammunition. How's something that only harms myself more dangerous than something that can immediately harm innocent bystanders?
As for my smoking. I'm totally OK with fines for smoking in places where it is not allowed. What I don't agree to is the regulation of commerce when it interferes with free speech, freedom of expression, or personal enjoyment (excluding anti-social behavior, like violence).
Popcorn Lung
Won'tcha come
And take my breath awaaaaaayy?
Popcorn Lung
Won'tcha come?
Won'tcha come?
Oh, hey - what about chemicals other than nicotine?
Spurred by deregulation. MAGA
What this country needs is a Bobbitize the Busybodies movement. Get hold of all the professional buttinskis that have nothing better to do than mind other peoples business and whack! Off with their weenies!
"Someone ingested something not made from soy or kale, we have to stop them!" (Oh, and the soy and kale are only to be ingested in the specified oral way, no smoking it or shooting it up!)