The name is a red flag. Idiocracy is on the horizon.
Idiocracy has arrived. But the name is more a reaction to it, not the cause or symptom.
The first Internet vote, long ago when People magazine tried to run their "most beautiful person" for the year, Leo DiCaprio was supposed to win. The geeks got together and sent out notices over the internett that we were going to do something about that. So we had a massive write in for Hank, the angry drunken dwarf. Hank was a regular on the Howard Stern show at the time. Well Hank won, but People Magazine named DiCaprio "most beautiful man" anyway.
Point is, it takes a certain level of stupidity to ask questions you won't accept any answer you don't like. That answer is not the stupidity, it's to assume a response you like in the first place. The people who named this UAV understand that very well.
Nerds rejoice! All hail Boaty McBoatface! Praise it with great praise!
So Apple gets to charge a premium. Unfortunate but true, as a lack of competition allows price gouging on one hand or privacy gouging on the other. At least with Apple you pay once, with M$ you'll pay every time you turn on windows 10
For some pretty low levels of gouging. If you triple the price, that's gouging. If you are like some folks, like the guys I saw nearly getting in a a brawl over 5 cents on Ram Price, it's unforgivable gouging, Geek rage is the best rage.
So many of us are so hung up on platform rather than process. I have all three major OS'. My Mac I run my Video and audio work on. It also runs Windows. My other Windows machine runs the one program I need Windows for, and to keep me up to date for support for others, and my Linux machines run servers, firewalls, and just keep me sharp on Linux/Unix.
And as for that W10 machine? Nothing but the program I need, a browser used for only that program's needs and a throwaway email account. Nothing else.
It also comes with an Apple logo, which is priceless if you want to hang with the cool kids. My daughter is a freshman in college, and she says that only the total dweebs use Windows on their laptops.
Mine has some software I must use that is not available on the Windows platform. It also runs Windows very nicely, speaking of priceless.
Peer pressure also gets people to buy Windows machines and Android phones. The cycle of larf. Ford versus Chevy for geeks.
I think this fellow would have a better case if his lawyer didn't go the gender route.
The company was being a dick, and the way people are reacting every time someone plays the gender discrimination card these days is not going to gain him any sympathy. And he should have a lot of sympathy.
Given that there are ads for the Windows install then it suggests that there is a general interest in generating revenue in this way. That there is not for Linux installs suggests a number of possible scenarios, such as the presumption that few people will run a custom installer as compared to a package manager, or that the revenue to be generated by a custom installer is not worth the effort, or the possibility that no-one sufficiently highly placed in nvidia has even considered doing in in Linux, but might if they see this thread
Yes, that is plausible. I can believe that Nvidia would decide that including the advertisements in their Linux drivers would not be worth the effort. My informed guess is that like myself, most Linux folk would be really pissed about it.
Yeah, I'm a real popular guy, down at the mortgage company. I kinda need to stay that way.
I'm pretty popular too, because unlike so many in here, I'm fairly proficient on Windows, Unix, (MacOS) and Linux. It's kinda like a person knowing how to speak English, Spanish, and French.
Actually that makes me rather unpopular with some folks here. As my boss always said about me "Don't bullshit a bullshitter."
And yet, you cannot provide me with the one "fact" I asked for.
Noted.
I'll ask again real nicely.
Give me the citation from NVidia that tells us they didn't include ads because of the numbers of Linux users.
Otherwise, it's your opinionNothing more, nothing less.
And dear sir, if you think wanting an actual citation in support of your argument is nitipcking, you shouldn't accuse others of inability to debate.
I use OSX Linux, and Windows. It would be kinda weird to get butthurt over numbers.
Yet you burst out saying that I was "touting" Windows popularity over Linux etc etc. when I only made a relative comparison and no claims of better or worse. I stated a numerical fact. You brought the baggage.
Dude. you stated:
"The Linux install base is so small it's not worth it to them."
Okay - now prove that that is a fact. That dear sir, is an opinion, not a fact.
What would you do, NOT use the driver and run your $600 video card in VESA mode?
A pity that it's BOHICA time.
If you have to run that card, and you have to use Windows, then you might as well sit back and enjoy the bangin'.
Me? I'd simply not buy the card. Fuck 'em if they have to invade your computer with ads. Now go to forbes.com and get your free ransomware. Otherwise you can't see their content.
You're the one getting butt hurt over numbers. Numerically, the Linux/nVidia install base isn't big enough to justify writing a custom installer with ads.
I use OSX Linux, and Windows. It would be kinda weird to get butthurt over numbers.
I use whatever will do the job better.
And just out of curiousity, exactly what is the degree of difficulty in writing the code to serve up ads that makes it prohibitive to do this in Linux? You made the claim, you do the explain. If your logic held true, there wouldn't be a driver written for Linux at all - no driver period.
There is a simple solution for all of these problems. Do not use their OS, if you find it unacceptable. It is unacceptable to me, so I don't use it. Problem solved.
Exactly. People have been inculcated to "popularity". To the point where some are bragging that Nvidia drivers serve ads while the less popular Linux drivers fo rthe same card don't.
Its all down to the individual. The installed user base really doesn't mean much to the individual unless they are worried about popularity, like somehow Kim Kardashian is superior to your hot next door neighbor woman because Kim gets so many followers on Twitter, and your neighbor doesn't.
I installed Windows 10 Pro the other day for testing - the Start menu is filled with ads - Candy Crush, Facebook, Minecraft, Bing, Office265 just to name a few and those apps aren't even installed, they take you to the ad-riddled package manager where you can pay for more ad-enabled things. When you start Internet Explorer you're taken to an ad about IE vs Chrome and Firefox. OneDrive pops up at every file operation "this would be easy with OneDrive" "share with your friends through OneDrive"
Right, but you wouldn't have that user experience with a lesser Operating system.
Now, if it's one of those "free" upgrade installs to Windows 10, I guess that I'm OK with that. Anyone with half a brain should know by now that nothing that Microsoft makes is truly free.
It's not Okay even then. People should have everything spelled out to them upfront. Donations are completely voluntary in my Linux distros, but I don't get served ads if I don't contribute.
I have an asus popup on the lower right about checking my bios for upgrades that's annoying (nothing like having the stupid thing kill my gaming session).
Yikes! a lesson in capitalization. I read "I have an anus popup on the lower right".
Hey, as long as it is between two consenting adults, yaknow....8^)
Ridiculous. You can run nVidia installs silently on Windows if you choose. I have also seen executable based installers on Linux that show advertisements.
It's the same silly argument where people blame Microsoft for all BSODs when, again nVidia being the majority culprit, bad drivers are the root cause - then people like yourself say "well, Microsoft should build a driver model that doesn't allow for BSODs."
Or you could do like Apple does. Writes their own.
This driver issue with Windows has gone on a long time. Personally I don't care who's at fault. My problem isn't fault. My problem is I'm sitting in front of a computer that won't do it's job. If I have a Operating system that is superior above all, but surrounded by incompetence, well it hardly matters the gemllike perfection of the operating system, does it?
If they wanted, nVidia could write a Linux driver installer that showed you ads. The Linux install base is so small it's not worth it to them.
Your package manager isn't magic, and it only works because nVidia packages their drivers for simplicity. So check your smug.
I just knew tat someone would make the installed user base argument. So we should all install Windows 10 so we can see those ads because..... better! More users! Famous cigarettes!
Most of us hate ads, don't want ads, do anything we can do to block ads. You tout it as a mark of how "popular" Windows is, like extolling the virtues of a Toyota Corolla or Trabant over cars that sell less, like a Corvette or a Tesla.
Microsoft killed the Netbook. Tablets and phablets came around after the netbook was already dead. I still have my eepc netbook, running Lubuntu. When I use it, people come up and are fascinated, and want to know where they can buy one. But they can't.
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The name is a red flag. Idiocracy is on the horizon.
Idiocracy has arrived. But the name is more a reaction to it, not the cause or symptom.
The first Internet vote, long ago when People magazine tried to run their "most beautiful person" for the year, Leo DiCaprio was supposed to win. The geeks got together and sent out notices over the internett that we were going to do something about that. So we had a massive write in for Hank, the angry drunken dwarf. Hank was a regular on the Howard Stern show at the time. Well Hank won, but People Magazine named DiCaprio "most beautiful man" anyway.
Point is, it takes a certain level of stupidity to ask questions you won't accept any answer you don't like. That answer is not the stupidity, it's to assume a response you like in the first place. The people who named this UAV understand that very well.
Nerds rejoice! All hail Boaty McBoatface! Praise it with great praise!
So Apple gets to charge a premium. Unfortunate but true, as a lack of competition allows price gouging on one hand or privacy gouging on the other. At least with Apple you pay once, with M$ you'll pay every time you turn on windows 10
For some pretty low levels of gouging. If you triple the price, that's gouging. If you are like some folks, like the guys I saw nearly getting in a a brawl over 5 cents on Ram Price, it's unforgivable gouging, Geek rage is the best rage.
So many of us are so hung up on platform rather than process. I have all three major OS'. My Mac I run my Video and audio work on. It also runs Windows. My other Windows machine runs the one program I need Windows for, and to keep me up to date for support for others, and my Linux machines run servers, firewalls, and just keep me sharp on Linux/Unix.
And as for that W10 machine? Nothing but the program I need, a browser used for only that program's needs and a throwaway email account. Nothing else.
The price of a Mac includes an Xcode license.
It also comes with an Apple logo, which is priceless if you want to hang with the cool kids. My daughter is a freshman in college, and she says that only the total dweebs use Windows on their laptops.
Mine has some software I must use that is not available on the Windows platform. It also runs Windows very nicely, speaking of priceless.
Peer pressure also gets people to buy Windows machines and Android phones. The cycle of larf. Ford versus Chevy for geeks.
In 2017, at the prices Apple asks for their computer, you'd expect that even the low-end models would at least come with SATA SSDs.
And you'd expect everyone to buy Nissan Versa Sedans too. that $12,855 base price makes them the best car around.
Not everyone is fixated on price, and not everyone is fixated on SSD's.
The company was being a dick, and the way people are reacting every time someone plays the gender discrimination card these days is not going to gain him any sympathy. And he should have a lot of sympathy.
April fools day came in March this year..
Seriously, what is Facebook going to do? Give them a mean look or something?
Government over reach?
You do know that was very much a bit of levity, don't you?
Given that there are ads for the Windows install then it suggests that there is a general interest in generating revenue in this way. That there is not for Linux installs suggests a number of possible scenarios, such as the presumption that few people will run a custom installer as compared to a package manager, or that the revenue to be generated by a custom installer is not worth the effort, or the possibility that no-one sufficiently highly placed in nvidia has even considered doing in in Linux, but might if they see this thread
Yes, that is plausible. I can believe that Nvidia would decide that including the advertisements in their Linux drivers would not be worth the effort. My informed guess is that like myself, most Linux folk would be really pissed about it.
Yeah, I'm a real popular guy, down at the mortgage company. I kinda need to stay that way.
I'm pretty popular too, because unlike so many in here, I'm fairly proficient on Windows, Unix, (MacOS) and Linux. It's kinda like a person knowing how to speak English, Spanish, and French.
Actually that makes me rather unpopular with some folks here. As my boss always said about me "Don't bullshit a bullshitter."
Noted.
I'll ask again real nicely.
Give me the citation from NVidia that tells us they didn't include ads because of the numbers of Linux users.
Otherwise, it's your opinionNothing more, nothing less. And dear sir, if you think wanting an actual citation in support of your argument is nitipcking, you shouldn't accuse others of inability to debate.
I use OSX Linux, and Windows. It would be kinda weird to get butthurt over numbers.
Yet you burst out saying that I was "touting" Windows popularity over Linux etc etc. when I only made a relative comparison and no claims of better or worse. I stated a numerical fact. You brought the baggage.
Dude. you stated:
"The Linux install base is so small it's not worth it to them." Okay - now prove that that is a fact. That dear sir, is an opinion, not a fact.
What would you do, NOT use the driver and run your $600 video card in VESA mode?
A pity that it's BOHICA time.
If you have to run that card, and you have to use Windows, then you might as well sit back and enjoy the bangin'.
Me? I'd simply not buy the card. Fuck 'em if they have to invade your computer with ads. Now go to forbes.com and get your free ransomware. Otherwise you can't see their content.
You're the one getting butt hurt over numbers. Numerically, the Linux/nVidia install base isn't big enough to justify writing a custom installer with ads.
I use OSX Linux, and Windows. It would be kinda weird to get butthurt over numbers.
I use whatever will do the job better.
And just out of curiousity, exactly what is the degree of difficulty in writing the code to serve up ads that makes it prohibitive to do this in Linux? You made the claim, you do the explain. If your logic held true, there wouldn't be a driver written for Linux at all - no driver period.
Translation: "I'm either self-employed, retired, or independently wealthy, so I don't have to use Microsoft products. Bwahahaha."
Translation "I'm so damn worried about popularity that I'm blind to any other option."
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There is a simple solution for all of these problems. Do not use their OS, if you find it unacceptable. It is unacceptable to me, so I don't use it. Problem solved.
Exactly. People have been inculcated to "popularity". To the point where some are bragging that Nvidia drivers serve ads while the less popular Linux drivers fo rthe same card don't.
Its all down to the individual. The installed user base really doesn't mean much to the individual unless they are worried about popularity, like somehow Kim Kardashian is superior to your hot next door neighbor woman because Kim gets so many followers on Twitter, and your neighbor doesn't.
So - In fact I have to pay to get advertisement presented to me. Weird or what?
It's like T-Shirts and caps with a company's name and logo on them. People buy that stuff. Its weird, but it happens.
I installed Windows 10 Pro the other day for testing - the Start menu is filled with ads - Candy Crush, Facebook, Minecraft, Bing, Office265 just to name a few and those apps aren't even installed, they take you to the ad-riddled package manager where you can pay for more ad-enabled things. When you start Internet Explorer you're taken to an ad about IE vs Chrome and Firefox. OneDrive pops up at every file operation "this would be easy with OneDrive" "share with your friends through OneDrive"
Right, but you wouldn't have that user experience with a lesser Operating system.
Microsoft routinely brings in more than $10 billion NET revenue a year. Whatever they're doing, it's working fine.
So do Drug cartels. You made your point.
Now, if it's one of those "free" upgrade installs to Windows 10, I guess that I'm OK with that. Anyone with half a brain should know by now that nothing that Microsoft makes is truly free.
It's not Okay even then. People should have everything spelled out to them upfront. Donations are completely voluntary in my Linux distros, but I don't get served ads if I don't contribute.
I have an asus popup on the lower right about checking my bios for upgrades that's annoying (nothing like having the stupid thing kill my gaming session).
Yikes! a lesson in capitalization. I read "I have an anus popup on the lower right".
Hey, as long as it is between two consenting adults, yaknow....8^)
The other way to look at it is not enough people use the Linux driver for them to even bother with advertising.
Well first off, congratulations for an attempt to make a really really bad annoying problem into a celebration of the installed user base.
Then do you have some idea that it is so difficult to write the adware into the driver that a few hours is a bridge too far?
differential diagnosis: Linux users won't put up with that bullshit.
Ridiculous. You can run nVidia installs silently on Windows if you choose. I have also seen executable based installers on Linux that show advertisements.
It's the same silly argument where people blame Microsoft for all BSODs when, again nVidia being the majority culprit, bad drivers are the root cause - then people like yourself say "well, Microsoft should build a driver model that doesn't allow for BSODs."
Or you could do like Apple does. Writes their own.
This driver issue with Windows has gone on a long time. Personally I don't care who's at fault. My problem isn't fault. My problem is I'm sitting in front of a computer that won't do it's job. If I have a Operating system that is superior above all, but surrounded by incompetence, well it hardly matters the gemllike perfection of the operating system, does it?
If they wanted, nVidia could write a Linux driver installer that showed you ads. The Linux install base is so small it's not worth it to them.
Your package manager isn't magic, and it only works because nVidia packages their drivers for simplicity. So check your smug.
I just knew tat someone would make the installed user base argument. So we should all install Windows 10 so we can see those ads because..... better! More users! Famous cigarettes!
Most of us hate ads, don't want ads, do anything we can do to block ads. You tout it as a mark of how "popular" Windows is, like extolling the virtues of a Toyota Corolla or Trabant over cars that sell less, like a Corvette or a Tesla.
It's another case of Government over-reach. No one tells me what to do. We have the right to make it whatever time we want it to be.
So it's beer o'clock? I like this new work schedule.
I like the way you think!
Microsoft killed the Netbook. Tablets and phablets came around after the netbook was already dead. I still have my eepc netbook, running Lubuntu. When I use it, people come up and are fascinated, and want to know where they can buy one. But they can't.