All the law needs to do is to require that if a manufacturer of a product (whether that be a combine harvester, a chest freezer, a cellphone or a commercial airliner) provides parts, tools, diagnostic equipment, service manuals, service updates, repair guides, software or anything else to manufacturer repair shops or authorized service centres they have to provide those same items to anyone else who wants to run a repair shop or repair items.
No exemptions, no restrictions, no "sorry you can't buy that unless you have a license to act as a motor vehicle repair shop" or other crap and no charging huge prices for things (with an appropriate government agency given powers to act if a manufacturer is charging prices above what is reasonable)
To implement your right to repair nirvana.....
Curious - how many years and how many parts must be stocked? Double the production? Triple? ten years? forever?
Now we're getting into the nitty gritty. Are the manufactures required to use only parts that are going to be available for say 10 years? Are the chip manufacturers likewise going to be forced to continue production for a set number of years?
And then what about all the leftover parts? Landfill them?
Or do we just freeze designs and technology at some point, like the bagphones? Tube technology?
Battery technology under this system. I'll leave that to everyone's imagination under this right to repair utopia.
Oh, and then there is the cost of all of this. All of this overproduction costs money. Then, since no actual ability is needed to start your licenseless libertarian repairshop - what happens when BillyBob Ultrarepair's Shop screws up your smartphone?
All of your demands result in frozen technology, massive overproduction of spare parts, exceptional impact on electronics design, and a very fascinating legal situation. I joke about bagphones, but under your system, electronics would be a lot closer to that bagphone than an iPhone X. But hey, it will be easier to repair.
I'd love to see a law that requires electronics to have an easily replaced battery.
Instead of asking for a law, why don't you just buy a device with a replaceable battery? There are plenty of them available.
Because people like to force other people to have what they think is right. Its been adequately shown that most people just don't care about "easily replaced" batteries. But many of these people do care about the physical changes that must happen if you have that easily replaced battery.
Given the US has elected a mysogynistic, transgender hating, rapey, homophobe and the first woman in US history with a real chance of becoming president was blocked by a whole bunch of fake news about corruption that could be applied to her competition 10x over then have you ever considered that perhaps escapism where a woman can become president without being held to double standards that don't apply to a male candidate (like, release your tax returns), or a transgender can be part of a military force is EXACTLY what they're offering?
Damn, you have to be a real hit at parties. Anything that doesn't send you into a rage?
You know what? WHATEVER. I think shit like this is just a solution in search of a problem, especially in poor countries that would be happy to get just plain old-fashioned stethoscopes and actual doctors. Everything has to get more complicated and more expensive because I'm sure the profit margin on a plain-old-stethoscope is small, so let's make some fancy thing that needs power and if it breaks you can't fix it so we can charge more and make more profit. Don't even pretend that isn't a major portion of the motivation behind things like this.
Sounds to me like a noise cancelling mic and amp. Technology that's been around for years. Even cynical old me sees that as a good thing.
Even jaded old me couldn't resist saving children. I think it's kinda a genetic predisposition.
Practical old me tells us we better figure out how to feed all of the children we save though.
You're being sarcastic, right? It probably takes, what, maybe half an hour on the outside to teach someone the basics of using a stethoscope, being a very simple device with no moving parts, needs no power, and is very durable, and most of all, very very cheap to produce? Not everything needs a gods-be-damned AI in it.
From what I can figure, this is just a stethoscope with a mic on thesensor side, and another mic on the other side to cancel out ambient noise. Okay.
The main reason kids in impoverished nations are dying of pneumonia is the lack of electronic AI stethoscopes. Hopefully these guys have a startup and start shipping soon.
That and those things that remove water vapor and generate enough water for the whole village. We need to send those over as well.
The difference is that we're at least on the same planet with Milla Jovovich.
Not knowing whothe good Ms. Jovovich is I googled her name. Well now! It's a good thing I'm not hooked to the Brainwaves to speech machine in the last article, or my wife would be wondering about the dialog coming from my office.
it clearly says it will vocalize what the brain is thinking. unless there is an easy way to turn that off/on i don't think anybody actually wants something like that.
Yeah - I think Ima let that thing miss me.
If someone asks me a question that indicates they weren't paying attention, I do think "You stupid fuck!", while in practice going back to what I said and re-pointing it out.
I pick up concepts quickly. When others don't, I might think "y'all are a little slow", while in practice I sit politely.
If an attractive woman walks into the room, I think thoughts for a moment that every heterosexual male would. In practice, I say "Hello, how are you today?"
Look on the bright side, #metoo will have a lot of new men to destroy.
Oh common man, why do you hate capitalism? Its the best system there is. You sound like dirty commie bastard, i mean stinking red indian. Stop undermining the core values of society. Shame on you, man.
Ultra sarcasm noted. Isn't it strange though how people who would fling around the "Socialist" pejoritive like the ultimate spice of life, would use taxpayer money to hand to a company like FoxConn.
ahahaha... people are so fucking dumb and easily manipulated. Just change a name here, add additional adjective there and VOILA! A new 'financial product' is born or a new 'hope' to cleanse the corrupted swamp emerges, or... Its fun doing bussiness with dumb sheep.
sigh.... sadly enough, there are too many people who have become so manipulable, so easily swayed, so inculcated with mindless adherence to what someone tells them, that you can get them to think implementing a socialistic move like this is Laissez-faire capitalism.
Me? I'd tell FoxConn and their suicide nets to get the fuck out of my state, and imprint a size 12 bootprint on their asses on the way out.
French/Belgian comics "feel" different from American ones, and it's a whole different cultural thing. Manga for example is still growing in the US, even if traditional superhero comics are not, and I'd argue French/Belgian ones are more similar to manga. It's just a medium to communicate a story, whereas in the US "comics" are traditionally all about superheros (at least that's my knowledge of US comics).
Stand by for the new Superman comics, where Superman is a woman. As well, the next generation Supergirl will be a transgender furrie.
All joking aside, a lot of US comic readers are concerned that our comics are transitioning to Identity Politics, and losing the escapism fun.
Jesus Christ, the $230k would be the maximum IF 13000 jobs were created over 15 fucking years.
Which is $15k per employee per year at the fucking max. Maybe you should have used the equivalent of Hiroshima atom bombs in your calculations?
Your argument isn't doing quite what you think it is doing.
But Okay. I'll start using FoxConn factory suicide nets in my calculations.
Also, the capital is not the entire state. It isn't even likely to be science degrees, aka real degrees.
How much is FoxConn paying you, Shaitan? Your factory in Wisconsin is not going to happen. And seriously bad tactic anyhow, that a company that needs suicide nets around it's factories is going to be the saviour of Wisconsin at a pittance of $230,000 per saved person.
Yes this is an announcement that they aren't going to fill manufacturing jobs. Now they are talking about R&D jobs. $230k/employee means it makes more sense to bring in employees that let them take advantage of the $230k/employee.
This is one of the strangest differential analysis apologetics I've ever seen. I haven't seen anything that would suggest what you do.
Is this going to help the blue collar workers of Wisconsin? Indirectly since there will be support and infrastructure jobs around this. But if they actually follow through it will help create (or drastically expand) a new class of educated worker and industry in Wisconsin.
Oh geesh, maybe it can even get the Wisconsonites to stop interbreeding and eating their own feces? (maximum sarcasm) Your concept of the good people of Wisconsin is insultingly far off the mark.
Here's a differential analysis for ya:
A political party is pressed to create some jobs. A lot of its ideology hasn't worked so far - things like Trickle down economics and tax breaks for the job creators.
So one of the true believers decides to take a new tack - direct payment of taxpayer dollars to a company to locate in the heartland. This will be the shining star - the touchstone as it were - that validates their ideology. Even if it more resembles ideology of government run business.
Unfortunately for them, it was found out that each employee was going to cost the taxpayers 230 thousand dollars. Unfortunately for them, the main promoter of this effort was defeated at the polls. Unfortunately for them the company, who is kinda a predator to begin with, started threatening to pull out of the deal because 230 thousand per employee isn't enough money for them https://venturebeat.com/2019/0... .
"If it is a refundable tax credit then whoever negotiated that deal from the government side is almost criminally negligent"
Or they were anticipating kickbacks from foxconn, in which case they're even more of a criminal. There's enough money involved that this becomes highly plausible.
The entire case makes no sense unless there is a substantial amount of money going from FoxConn to "someone" in some fashion.
Direct payments called "tax credits" is sort of a big red flag issue. There's a reason this whole deal is being scrutinized so hard. It doesn't pass the smell test. Not even remotely. As deals go, this one is pretty artless.
Not terribly surprising that after a change in party at the Governors level, FoxConn is pulling away.
Tax breaks are a reduction in expenses. It is not income received.
When this deal was originally discussed on/., there were many ignorant people pushing this incorrect narrative then. I see that you did not learn the truth at that time.
If I gross 100K dollars, and pay 30 percent of that in taxes, I have how much.
If I gross 100K dollars, and pay nothing, I have how much?
If I gross 100K dollars, and am paid money because reasons, I have 100K dollars plus what that payment to me is.
The funny money folks always make up schemes and cute designations. It's how money can be hidden.
Anyhow, "Although the state measures to attract Foxconn are labeled tax incentives, they largely would be paid in cash since the effective Wisconsin state tax rate is 0.4% on manufacturers."
and
"The incentives include up to $1.5 billion in state income tax credits for job creation and up to $1.35 billion in state income tax credits for capital investment. Foxconn is eligible for additional local incentives.
"The company is eligible for refundable tax credits equal to 17% of wages paidinstead of the typical 7% and 15% of capital costs instead of 10%." sauce: http://fortune.com/2017/07/31/...
So while you can strut around like I have no idea what I'm talking about, we have payments that are called tax incentives, and up to 3 billion of these tax incentives or what us great unwashed call.... ahem...payments. Who can tell for certain? All the interim steps and misleading names are just accounting tricks.
There is something I call Realekonimik, similar to realpolitik. One might call it "cash in pocket after all of the bullshit." Realekonomik calls these massive incentives to be taxpayer subsidies to a non-US company. It's like paying a woman to date you. She makes money, and you end up poorer and looking like a fool. And as soon as you stop paying her, she'll dump you and find some other willing dope.
Because if my biggest customer had a ~20% decrease in sales of an item I am a primary supplier for I sure as hell wouldn't re-evaluate major capital investment plans.... Nope not at all.
It couldn't be bacause they were looking for a bigger tax break? 3 Billion dollars here, 3 Billion there. After a while you are talking big money.
They cite labor costs. https://venturebeat.com/2019/0...
If you subsidize a company to the tune of $230,000 per employee, but the employee costs are too high, well golly gosh.
They could just learn to code. Or be robotics engineers.
Iâ(TM)m sure the ratio of engineers to replaced coal miners will be 1:1 and everybody will have a place at the table.
Hard to say. Automation has replaced most coal miners anyhow. In my area a few men, dynamite and draglines can do in days what it used to take a lot of men and months/years to do.
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All the law needs to do is to require that if a manufacturer of a product (whether that be a combine harvester, a chest freezer, a cellphone or a commercial airliner) provides parts, tools, diagnostic equipment, service manuals, service updates, repair guides, software or anything else to manufacturer repair shops or authorized service centres they have to provide those same items to anyone else who wants to run a repair shop or repair items.
No exemptions, no restrictions, no "sorry you can't buy that unless you have a license to act as a motor vehicle repair shop" or other crap and no charging huge prices for things (with an appropriate government agency given powers to act if a manufacturer is charging prices above what is reasonable)
To implement your right to repair nirvana.....
Curious - how many years and how many parts must be stocked? Double the production? Triple? ten years? forever?
Now we're getting into the nitty gritty. Are the manufactures required to use only parts that are going to be available for say 10 years? Are the chip manufacturers likewise going to be forced to continue production for a set number of years?
And then what about all the leftover parts? Landfill them?
Or do we just freeze designs and technology at some point, like the bagphones? Tube technology?
Battery technology under this system. I'll leave that to everyone's imagination under this right to repair utopia.
Oh, and then there is the cost of all of this. All of this overproduction costs money. Then, since no actual ability is needed to start your licenseless libertarian repairshop - what happens when BillyBob Ultrarepair's Shop screws up your smartphone?
All of your demands result in frozen technology, massive overproduction of spare parts, exceptional impact on electronics design, and a very fascinating legal situation. I joke about bagphones, but under your system, electronics would be a lot closer to that bagphone than an iPhone X. But hey, it will be easier to repair.
I'd love to see a law that requires electronics to have an easily replaced battery.
Instead of asking for a law, why don't you just buy a device with a replaceable battery? There are plenty of them available.
Because people like to force other people to have what they think is right. Its been adequately shown that most people just don't care about "easily replaced" batteries. But many of these people do care about the physical changes that must happen if you have that easily replaced battery.
Transgender furry narratives are my escapism ...
you Insensitive Clod!
Captcha: [S]wallowed
Sorry - to make my furry repentance I shall offer up a Beowulf Cluster-Fuck.
Given the US has elected a mysogynistic, transgender hating, rapey, homophobe and the first woman in US history with a real chance of becoming president was blocked by a whole bunch of fake news about corruption that could be applied to her competition 10x over then have you ever considered that perhaps escapism where a woman can become president without being held to double standards that don't apply to a male candidate (like, release your tax returns), or a transgender can be part of a military force is EXACTLY what they're offering?
Damn, you have to be a real hit at parties. Anything that doesn't send you into a rage?
Nope. They will simply ban the use of Firefox and force their employees to use Edge.
You have to admit, Edge has the edge in MitM results.
You know what? WHATEVER. I think shit like this is just a solution in search of a problem, especially in poor countries that would be happy to get just plain old-fashioned stethoscopes and actual doctors. Everything has to get more complicated and more expensive because I'm sure the profit margin on a plain-old-stethoscope is small, so let's make some fancy thing that needs power and if it breaks you can't fix it so we can charge more and make more profit. Don't even pretend that isn't a major portion of the motivation behind things like this.
Sounds to me like a noise cancelling mic and amp. Technology that's been around for years. Even cynical old me sees that as a good thing.
Even jaded old me couldn't resist saving children. I think it's kinda a genetic predisposition.
Practical old me tells us we better figure out how to feed all of the children we save though.
You're being sarcastic, right? It probably takes, what, maybe half an hour on the outside to teach someone the basics of using a stethoscope, being a very simple device with no moving parts, needs no power, and is very durable, and most of all, very very cheap to produce? Not everything needs a gods-be-damned AI in it.
From what I can figure, this is just a stethoscope with a mic on thesensor side, and another mic on the other side to cancel out ambient noise. Okay.
The main reason kids in impoverished nations are dying of pneumonia is the lack of electronic AI stethoscopes. Hopefully these guys have a startup and start shipping soon.
That and those things that remove water vapor and generate enough water for the whole village. We need to send those over as well.
The difference is that we're at least on the same planet with Milla Jovovich.
Not knowing whothe good Ms. Jovovich is I googled her name. Well now! It's a good thing I'm not hooked to the Brainwaves to speech machine in the last article, or my wife would be wondering about the dialog coming from my office.
"You shall now call me Snowball ..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waLxMl6K3zA
Where are my testicles Summer?
It would be creepy as hell, but very cool, to get a recording of the voices schizophrenics hear.
Boy howdy would it. I have always been intrigued by Schizophrenic speech patterns. But to hear the voices in their heads alonng with them? Whoa!
it clearly says it will vocalize what the brain is thinking. unless there is an easy way to turn that off/on i don't think anybody actually wants something like that.
Yeah - I think Ima let that thing miss me.
If someone asks me a question that indicates they weren't paying attention, I do think "You stupid fuck!", while in practice going back to what I said and re-pointing it out.
I pick up concepts quickly. When others don't, I might think "y'all are a little slow", while in practice I sit politely.
If an attractive woman walks into the room, I think thoughts for a moment that every heterosexual male would. In practice, I say "Hello, how are you today?"
Look on the bright side, #metoo will have a lot of new men to destroy.
Not sure how many corporate Firefox deployments there are but this could really give some IT support groups a headache.
Hehe, you aren't kidding.They'll have to find a different way to keep track of where their employees are going.
In practice, I am thinking this is going to cause more pain than pleasure....
Pain can be a way of alerting you to problems.
Oh common man, why do you hate capitalism? Its the best system there is. You sound like dirty commie bastard, i mean stinking red indian. Stop undermining the core values of society. Shame on you, man.
Ultra sarcasm noted. Isn't it strange though how people who would fling around the "Socialist" pejoritive like the ultimate spice of life, would use taxpayer money to hand to a company like FoxConn.
ahahaha... people are so fucking dumb and easily manipulated. Just change a name here, add additional adjective there and VOILA! A new 'financial product' is born or a new 'hope' to cleanse the corrupted swamp emerges, or ... Its fun doing bussiness with dumb sheep.
sigh.... sadly enough, there are too many people who have become so manipulable, so easily swayed, so inculcated with mindless adherence to what someone tells them, that you can get them to think implementing a socialistic move like this is Laissez-faire capitalism.
Me? I'd tell FoxConn and their suicide nets to get the fuck out of my state, and imprint a size 12 bootprint on their asses on the way out.
French/Belgian comics "feel" different from American ones, and it's a whole different cultural thing. Manga for example is still growing in the US, even if traditional superhero comics are not, and I'd argue French/Belgian ones are more similar to manga. It's just a medium to communicate a story, whereas in the US "comics" are traditionally all about superheros (at least that's my knowledge of US comics).
Stand by for the new Superman comics, where Superman is a woman. As well, the next generation Supergirl will be a transgender furrie.
All joking aside, a lot of US comic readers are concerned that our comics are transitioning to Identity Politics, and losing the escapism fun.
Jesus Christ, the $230k would be the maximum IF 13000 jobs were created over 15 fucking years. Which is $15k per employee per year at the fucking max. Maybe you should have used the equivalent of Hiroshima atom bombs in your calculations?
Your argument isn't doing quite what you think it is doing.
But Okay. I'll start using FoxConn factory suicide nets in my calculations.
Inaccurate. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/2...
Also, the capital is not the entire state. It isn't even likely to be science degrees, aka real degrees.
How much is FoxConn paying you, Shaitan? Your factory in Wisconsin is not going to happen. And seriously bad tactic anyhow, that a company that needs suicide nets around it's factories is going to be the saviour of Wisconsin at a pittance of $230,000 per saved person.
People aren't even reading this.
ahem...
Yes this is an announcement that they aren't going to fill manufacturing jobs. Now they are talking about R&D jobs. $230k/employee means it makes more sense to bring in employees that let them take advantage of the $230k/employee.
This is one of the strangest differential analysis apologetics I've ever seen. I haven't seen anything that would suggest what you do.
Is this going to help the blue collar workers of Wisconsin? Indirectly since there will be support and infrastructure jobs around this. But if they actually follow through it will help create (or drastically expand) a new class of educated worker and industry in Wisconsin.
Oh geesh, maybe it can even get the Wisconsonites to stop interbreeding and eating their own feces? (maximum sarcasm) Your concept of the good people of Wisconsin is insultingly far off the mark.
Here's a differential analysis for ya:
A political party is pressed to create some jobs. A lot of its ideology hasn't worked so far - things like Trickle down economics and tax breaks for the job creators.
So one of the true believers decides to take a new tack - direct payment of taxpayer dollars to a company to locate in the heartland. This will be the shining star - the touchstone as it were - that validates their ideology. Even if it more resembles ideology of government run business.
Unfortunately for them, it was found out that each employee was going to cost the taxpayers 230 thousand dollars. Unfortunately for them, the main promoter of this effort was defeated at the polls. Unfortunately for them the company, who is kinda a predator to begin with, started threatening to pull out of the deal because 230 thousand per employee isn't enough money for them https://venturebeat.com/2019/0... .
I mean, those suicide nets around FoxConn factories don't come cheap you know. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/w...
Trump's tariffs don't help. That factory needs to be supplied from China.
Oh, I'm pretty certain that the right baksheesh greasing the right palm will alleviate that little problem.
"If it is a refundable tax credit then whoever negotiated that deal from the government side is almost criminally negligent"
Or they were anticipating kickbacks from foxconn, in which case they're even more of a criminal. There's enough money involved that this becomes highly plausible.
The entire case makes no sense unless there is a substantial amount of money going from FoxConn to "someone" in some fashion.
Direct payments called "tax credits" is sort of a big red flag issue. There's a reason this whole deal is being scrutinized so hard. It doesn't pass the smell test. Not even remotely. As deals go, this one is pretty artless.
Not terribly surprising that after a change in party at the Governors level, FoxConn is pulling away.
When this deal was originally discussed on /., there were many ignorant people pushing this incorrect narrative then. I see that you did not learn the truth at that time.
If I gross 100K dollars, and pay 30 percent of that in taxes, I have how much.
If I gross 100K dollars, and pay nothing, I have how much?
If I gross 100K dollars, and am paid money because reasons, I have 100K dollars plus what that payment to me is.
The funny money folks always make up schemes and cute designations. It's how money can be hidden.
Anyhow, "Although the state measures to attract Foxconn are labeled tax incentives, they largely would be paid in cash since the effective Wisconsin state tax rate is 0.4% on manufacturers."
and
"The incentives include up to $1.5 billion in state income tax credits for job creation and up to $1.35 billion in state income tax credits for capital investment. Foxconn is eligible for additional local incentives.
"The company is eligible for refundable tax credits equal to 17% of wages paidinstead of the typical 7% and 15% of capital costs instead of 10%." sauce: http://fortune.com/2017/07/31/...
So while you can strut around like I have no idea what I'm talking about, we have payments that are called tax incentives, and up to 3 billion of these tax incentives or what us great unwashed call.... ahem...payments. Who can tell for certain? All the interim steps and misleading names are just accounting tricks.
There is something I call Realekonimik, similar to realpolitik. One might call it "cash in pocket after all of the bullshit." Realekonomik calls these massive incentives to be taxpayer subsidies to a non-US company. It's like paying a woman to date you. She makes money, and you end up poorer and looking like a fool. And as soon as you stop paying her, she'll dump you and find some other willing dope.
This is a bum deal, pretty plain.
I'm sure.....
Because if my biggest customer had a ~20% decrease in sales of an item I am a primary supplier for I sure as hell wouldn't re-evaluate major capital investment plans.... Nope not at all.
It couldn't be bacause they were looking for a bigger tax break? 3 Billion dollars here, 3 Billion there. After a while you are talking big money.
They cite labor costs. https://venturebeat.com/2019/0... If you subsidize a company to the tune of $230,000 per employee, but the employee costs are too high, well golly gosh.
You can make up your own mind who is responsible.
It is, and it would break every VOIP system out there which can set its own Caller ID.
Double edge swords cut both ways.
I simply don't answer the phone. If it is for some screwed up reason legal and desirable to lie about who you are, it's a morally bankrupt system.
Good - they can either fix their fraudulent systems, or join the party.
Spam rules the world, it would appear.
They could just learn to code. Or be robotics engineers. Iâ(TM)m sure the ratio of engineers to replaced coal miners will be 1:1 and everybody will have a place at the table.
Hard to say. Automation has replaced most coal miners anyhow. In my area a few men, dynamite and draglines can do in days what it used to take a lot of men and months/years to do.