Good idea, I say: this side has all the guns, so we can push all you fuckers into the ocean.
Well, you are not correct, and did you just threaten to kill me and others? Let me know, so we can find out who you are.
My mamma taught me to never threaten to kill people. Makes you look like a very interesting person. Already, I am exceptionally interested in hearing your response.
Yeah, no. They voted to gut the nation's healthcare, imperfect as it was. They can ALL die this way. Mod me Flamebait, but you know fucking well I'm right.
Captcha: massacre
Meh, not a problem. They don't have that loser ObamaCare - they all have the Affordable Care Act care, and they just love it. Stoopid fscking liberals and their socilistical failures anyhow!
Interesting, ballistic argument. Damn Google, f.... God creates man? Man creates god to slow advancement of social well-being? Uncheck that argument, reread your history. In that time period, Muslims invade Spain, almost taking Paris, they were not a religion then? But territorial invaders? Looking for uneducated slaves? Or how about, the Roman/ druid fight, looking for what again, in the name of? God,religion, or I'm a god theory, no, but I am the biggest, kiss arms, yadda yadda, baddest zss mo around. Sorry, you lost vision of the truth of "man".
They just seem to disappear and are never heard from again or become part of the background noise of science.
You crave surety.. And that is very hard to come by in matters scientific. Mainly because new evidence happens all the time.
When humans need lack of change, that's what religion is for. Even though it too changes over time, it is a slow process, usually measured over lifetimes, so you can pick a religion, and stick with it come hell or high water.
I know exactly what *you'll* find on my computer that has been connected to the internet:
Noise.
Baring an exploit in the disk crypto you will find only noise and I'll be damned if I'm going to enter or tell you the password.
Congratulations citizen! You win the internet. You do know that your encrypted disk had damn well better be well encrypted, becuse it's existence makes you very interesting indeed.
There are currently over 10,000 federal statutes. Can you say, categorically, that you are not currently breaking any of them?
Have any copyrighted pictures or videos that you don't have a receipt for? Rip a copyrighted tune from Youtube? Have a friend send any of those? Have a normal photo of your female child in a bathing suit at the shore? Some minimum wage geeksquad drone figuring that 500 dollars is 500 dollars, and "better safe than sorry", welcome to the legal system.
We have to set limits on accessibility, and the old "nothing to hide" is a bad slippery slope.
Finally, anyone claiming to know exactly what is or isn't on their computer better be saying that about a computer that has never been connected to the internetz.
Will we get banners "with visiting the site, you accept that everything you do is monitored and stored forever in the archives of google and the NSA"? Or do they actually ask for consent and accept a no?
Of course they accept a no answer! You can trust them. Honesty is rampant online. Your privacy is 100 percent safe.
Thanks for explaining your dumb, ignorant way of seeing science play out. Being stupid is like being dead, you don't know you're stupid, the rest of us have to put up with it.
Well, he was at least smart enough to post as an AC, sparing himself the well deserved ridicule.
Yeah, we like to think that; but the truth is that it's more likely to be like the noise-maker car alarms. Used to be only assholes had them. It came standard with my car, and when you ask around about disabling it they act like you're a criminal. The only thing that PoS has ever done is annoy the living shit out of me when it went off by accident. I never asked for that shit. I still got it. Didn't even occur to me I'd have it until I drove it off the lot.
One time I walked near a Jeep in the local Taco Bell Restaurant, and it started yapping at me "You are too close, Move away now!" I was like 5 feet away. So I called a few friends, and we had fun setting it off.
You know you could just not connect it. You would likely even be able to disable that feature.
We are in a post trust age of the internet. I do not trust anything that attaches to it, and don't trust anything that has the capability to attach to it, unless I can verify that there isn't anything around to attach to.
So in a house like mine, I'll need to run wires after 30 feet true line of site? Hell, 5 GHz is only semi useable in the living room, a whole 30 feet and two rooms away. But from one side of the house to the other is around 100 feet.
Opening up frequencies that high is more a declaration of desperation than anything else - the last gasps of the bandwidth is infinite crowd.
It used to be fashionable to have your teeth bleached so they would look clean and healthy. At some point it became widely understood bleach was actually rotting holes in them.
Notice how many Television ads for "sensitive teeth" there are? They say its because we are eating so many fruits and vegetables. Um huh! My dentist tried to talk me into it, but I noticed when he smiled, his own teeth were becoming translucent and blue. Hoomins iz such azzholes.
It doesn't take long for a few news @ 10 stories about the inevitable happening. Ransomware spoils food. Is your toaster spying on you? Is your LG blender slowing down your Internet? Panini press manufacturer subpoenaed by divorce lawyers. Botnet armies of LG smart shit takes down Google.
Trend line on public perception of technology is going in the wrong direction thanks in no small part to persistent news coverage of hack after hack after hack after hack after hack after hack after hack.
At least a 3rd of the country now have a pessimistic default outlook on technology. I'm sure LG has looked carefully at the current environment and made the decision profiting from sprinkling Wi-Fi in everything is currently in their best interests. We'll see.
District attorneys will not like that people will be able to use the spying on them in their alibis either. If the refrigerator proves you were in the frig at the time your ex was murdered, it interferes with their tough on crime gotta put someone in jail world.
Meanwhile, I just ran cat5e through my house, since wifi is becoming less stable due to 2.4ghz getting crowded.
I am going to do that this spring. The wife has used Wireless in the living room, but I'm tired of it getting bitched up every so often from adjacent channel interference. I'll only have the new laptop that amazingly enough, has no wired ethernet. Gonna get a USB ethernet adapter for that one.
This isn't going to add to the number of routers, since the appliances are going to connect to the net through your existing router. It's just going to mean that homes are going to have a ton of devices connecting to their routers.
You figure it isn't going to add to the number of signals those routers are handling? Especially on 2.4 GHz, where the channels overlap? And 5 GHz doesn't overlap, but the signal strength falls off really quickly
Point is, the channels are getting crowded, very crowded
While I agree in principle, it's not like it's difficult to prevent that crap from talking to the outside world.
Maybe you, maybe me - but not most people You know, the ones who have already participated in a botnet DDOS. https://business.kaspersky.com... and it's going to get much worse before it gets better.
There are good reasons to give some devices connectivity. e.g. A washer and dryer which buzz your phone when their cycles are done and you can put in the next load.
Finally! It was impossible until the Internet came along. Ahh, sorry, got carried away there.
I think what's going to have to be happen though is for router firewalls to be redesigned to block outgoing connections from certain IP addresses on your LAN. That will allow communication within your home, but won't allow devices to phone home like Windows 10 does. You can kinda do it now with a hosts file block, but it's kludgy and can be bypassed if the device uses raw IP addresses.
The problem I see is why on earth allow one more enemy to take over our life that we have to fight with to keep out of the house.
The only useful aspect of this might be to provide an alabi. "Where were you on the night of April 10th at 10:30 p.m. Mr Olsoc?
"Getting a beer out of the refrigerator, Officer. The fingerprint sensor, refrigerator inventory, and webcam on my LG refrigerator confirms that. Then I took a shit on my LG commode with fecalyzer, which will confirm it was my turds emanating from my anus."
And I tell them to fuck off. Sites like Forbes need so very badly to go out of business. DEmanding that IO install malware on my computer in order to have teh life changing experience of reading their mediocre articles. Sorry, Forbes and all of you other cancers on the face of the earth, you need me to see your for shit ads more than I ever need to see your articles, and your password changing malware.
My Appliances need to do th ework they were designed to do, to use energy efficiently, and not serve me ads or provide a cash flow for McAffee anti virus for refrigerators.
I'm starting to worry that I'm going to have to wrap my house in a Faraday cage in a few years just to prevent a Maximum Overdrive-style attack from my own fucking appliances
Can you imagine? I'm wondering what the hell wireless system we're going to have here. I live in an individual dwelling neighborhood, low density, and see at least 20 routers every day on 2.4 - to the point where I had to use 5 GHz, because 2.4 was worthless.
So now we're going to add a Refrigerator, a washer and dryer, a stove, the heating and cooling, the garage door opener, the Window blinds, the toilet, and whatever else they can figure out how to shoehorn a wireless connection onto?
just goes to show the best product doesnt always win - same is true with the ipod, there were better options at the time. the term "cult of mac" became known for a reason
Just think, we could all be running around with Zunes and Windows phones. And on MS-DOS 50.
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Good idea, I say: this side has all the guns, so we can push all you fuckers into the ocean.
Well, you are not correct, and did you just threaten to kill me and others? Let me know, so we can find out who you are.
My mamma taught me to never threaten to kill people. Makes you look like a very interesting person. Already, I am exceptionally interested in hearing your response.
Yeah, no. They voted to gut the nation's healthcare, imperfect as it was. They can ALL die this way. Mod me Flamebait, but you know fucking well I'm right.
Captcha: massacre
Meh, not a problem. They don't have that loser ObamaCare - they all have the Affordable Care Act care, and they just love it. Stoopid fscking liberals and their socilistical failures anyhow!
Interesting, ballistic argument. Damn Google, f.... God creates man? Man creates god to slow advancement of social well-being? Uncheck that argument, reread your history. In that time period, Muslims invade Spain, almost taking Paris, they were not a religion then? But territorial invaders? Looking for uneducated slaves? Or how about, the Roman/ druid fight, looking for what again, in the name of? God,religion, or I'm a god theory, no, but I am the biggest, kiss arms, yadda yadda, baddest zss mo around. Sorry, you lost vision of the truth of "man" .
What the hell you smoking?
They just seem to disappear and are never heard from again or become part of the background noise of science.
You crave surety.. And that is very hard to come by in matters scientific. Mainly because new evidence happens all the time.
When humans need lack of change, that's what religion is for. Even though it too changes over time, it is a slow process, usually measured over lifetimes, so you can pick a religion, and stick with it come hell or high water.
I know exactly what *you'll* find on my computer that has been connected to the internet: Noise. Baring an exploit in the disk crypto you will find only noise and I'll be damned if I'm going to enter or tell you the password.
Congratulations citizen! You win the internet. You do know that your encrypted disk had damn well better be well encrypted, becuse it's existence makes you very interesting indeed.
There are currently over 10,000 federal statutes. Can you say, categorically, that you are not currently breaking any of them?
Have any copyrighted pictures or videos that you don't have a receipt for? Rip a copyrighted tune from Youtube? Have a friend send any of those? Have a normal photo of your female child in a bathing suit at the shore? Some minimum wage geeksquad drone figuring that 500 dollars is 500 dollars, and "better safe than sorry", welcome to the legal system.
We have to set limits on accessibility, and the old "nothing to hide" is a bad slippery slope.
Finally, anyone claiming to know exactly what is or isn't on their computer better be saying that about a computer that has never been connected to the internetz.
Will we get banners "with visiting the site, you accept that everything you do is monitored and stored forever in the archives of google and the NSA"? Or do they actually ask for consent and accept a no?
Of course they accept a no answer! You can trust them. Honesty is rampant online. Your privacy is 100 percent safe.
Thanks for explaining your dumb, ignorant way of seeing science play out. Being stupid is like being dead, you don't know you're stupid, the rest of us have to put up with it.
Well, he was at least smart enough to post as an AC, sparing himself the well deserved ridicule.
Maybe you should verify the theory of gravity by stepping off from a great height?
Because it really is still being studied. Maybe you will find some ground-breaking data?
HTH.
-- BMO
I see what you did there.....
I should go find old theories and republish them as new ideas, then I can brag I was published in scientific journals.
Let's do Phlogiston theory! Just the name reeks of awesomeness.
Yeah, we like to think that; but the truth is that it's more likely to be like the noise-maker car alarms. Used to be only assholes had them. It came standard with my car, and when you ask around about disabling it they act like you're a criminal. The only thing that PoS has ever done is annoy the living shit out of me when it went off by accident. I never asked for that shit. I still got it. Didn't even occur to me I'd have it until I drove it off the lot.
One time I walked near a Jeep in the local Taco Bell Restaurant, and it started yapping at me "You are too close, Move away now!" I was like 5 feet away. So I called a few friends, and we had fun setting it off.
You know you could just not connect it. You would likely even be able to disable that feature.
We are in a post trust age of the internet. I do not trust anything that attaches to it, and don't trust anything that has the capability to attach to it, unless I can verify that there isn't anything around to attach to.
The FCC opened up the 57-64 GHz range for unlicensed use. These frequencies are right around the resonance frequency of O2 so suffer severe attenuation. Range is expected to be about 30 feet.
So in a house like mine, I'll need to run wires after 30 feet true line of site? Hell, 5 GHz is only semi useable in the living room, a whole 30 feet and two rooms away. But from one side of the house to the other is around 100 feet.
Opening up frequencies that high is more a declaration of desperation than anything else - the last gasps of the bandwidth is infinite crowd.
It used to be fashionable to have your teeth bleached so they would look clean and healthy. At some point it became widely understood bleach was actually rotting holes in them.
Notice how many Television ads for "sensitive teeth" there are? They say its because we are eating so many fruits and vegetables. Um huh! My dentist tried to talk me into it, but I noticed when he smiled, his own teeth were becoming translucent and blue. Hoomins iz such azzholes.
It doesn't take long for a few news @ 10 stories about the inevitable happening. Ransomware spoils food. Is your toaster spying on you? Is your LG blender slowing down your Internet? Panini press manufacturer subpoenaed by divorce lawyers. Botnet armies of LG smart shit takes down Google.
Trend line on public perception of technology is going in the wrong direction thanks in no small part to persistent news coverage of hack after hack after hack after hack after hack after hack after hack.
At least a 3rd of the country now have a pessimistic default outlook on technology. I'm sure LG has looked carefully at the current environment and made the decision profiting from sprinkling Wi-Fi in everything is currently in their best interests. We'll see.
District attorneys will not like that people will be able to use the spying on them in their alibis either. If the refrigerator proves you were in the frig at the time your ex was murdered, it interferes with their tough on crime gotta put someone in jail world.
Meanwhile, I just ran cat5e through my house, since wifi is becoming less stable due to 2.4ghz getting crowded.
I am going to do that this spring. The wife has used Wireless in the living room, but I'm tired of it getting bitched up every so often from adjacent channel interference. I'll only have the new laptop that amazingly enough, has no wired ethernet. Gonna get a USB ethernet adapter for that one.
My toilet already has wifi but the connection is shit.
Ba-dump!
This isn't going to add to the number of routers, since the appliances are going to connect to the net through your existing router. It's just going to mean that homes are going to have a ton of devices connecting to their routers.
You figure it isn't going to add to the number of signals those routers are handling? Especially on 2.4 GHz, where the channels overlap? And 5 GHz doesn't overlap, but the signal strength falls off really quickly
Point is, the channels are getting crowded, very crowded
While I agree in principle, it's not like it's difficult to prevent that crap from talking to the outside world.
Maybe you, maybe me - but not most people You know, the ones who have already participated in a botnet DDOS. https://business.kaspersky.com... and it's going to get much worse before it gets better.
There are good reasons to give some devices connectivity. e.g. A washer and dryer which buzz your phone when their cycles are done and you can put in the next load.
Finally! It was impossible until the Internet came along. Ahh, sorry, got carried away there.
I think what's going to have to be happen though is for router firewalls to be redesigned to block outgoing connections from certain IP addresses on your LAN. That will allow communication within your home, but won't allow devices to phone home like Windows 10 does. You can kinda do it now with a hosts file block, but it's kludgy and can be bypassed if the device uses raw IP addresses.
The problem I see is why on earth allow one more enemy to take over our life that we have to fight with to keep out of the house.
The only useful aspect of this might be to provide an alabi. "Where were you on the night of April 10th at 10:30 p.m. Mr Olsoc?
"Getting a beer out of the refrigerator, Officer. The fingerprint sensor, refrigerator inventory, and webcam on my LG refrigerator confirms that. Then I took a shit on my LG commode with fecalyzer, which will confirm it was my turds emanating from my anus."
"Okay, you are free to go"
Like they haven't thought of that.
It will come with instructions that point out that it will be crippled unless you can get it hooked up to the Internet.
For reference, see this:
A website is telling me to disable AdBlock before it will show content.
And I tell them to fuck off. Sites like Forbes need so very badly to go out of business. DEmanding that IO install malware on my computer in order to have teh life changing experience of reading their mediocre articles. Sorry, Forbes and all of you other cancers on the face of the earth, you need me to see your for shit ads more than I ever need to see your articles, and your password changing malware.
My Appliances need to do th ework they were designed to do, to use energy efficiently, and not serve me ads or provide a cash flow for McAffee anti virus for refrigerators.
I'm starting to worry that I'm going to have to wrap my house in a Faraday cage in a few years just to prevent a Maximum Overdrive-style attack from my own fucking appliances
Can you imagine? I'm wondering what the hell wireless system we're going to have here. I live in an individual dwelling neighborhood, low density, and see at least 20 routers every day on 2.4 - to the point where I had to use 5 GHz, because 2.4 was worthless.
So now we're going to add a Refrigerator, a washer and dryer, a stove, the heating and cooling, the garage door opener, the Window blinds, the toilet, and whatever else they can figure out how to shoehorn a wireless connection onto?
Get a room, you two.
When given a slim chance of improvement vs no chance, I'll go for slim every time.
Thou hath been useful peasant, now get thee back to thine hovel.
For making my shopping easier. With all the choices out there, I can just cross LG off the list of anything I'd own.
just goes to show the best product doesnt always win - same is true with the ipod, there were better options at the time. the term "cult of mac" became known for a reason
Just think, we could all be running around with Zunes and Windows phones. And on MS-DOS 50.