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What's Happening As The University of California Tries To Outsource IT Jobs To India (pressreader.com)
Long-time Slashdot reader Nova Express shares an epic column by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Michael Hiltzik. It details what's happening now as the University of California tries to outsources dozens of IT jobs -- about 20% of their IT workforce -- by February 28th. Some of the highlights:
- The CEO of UCSF's Medical Center says he expects their security to be at least as good as it is now, but acknowledges "there are no guarantees."
- Nine workers have filed a complaint with the state's Department of Fair Employment and Housing arguing they're facing discrimination.
- California Senator Feinstein is already complaining that the university is tapping $8.5 billion in federal funding "to replace Californian IT workers with foreign workers or labor performed abroad."
- Representative Zoe Lofgren (from a district in Silicon Valley) is arguing that the university "is training software engineers at the same time they're outsourcing their own software engineers. What message are they sending their own students?"
- 57-year-old sys-admin Kurt Ho says his replacement spent just two days with him, then "told me he would go back to India and train his team, and would be sending me emails with questions."
- The university's actions will ultimately lower their annual $5.83 billion budget by just 0.1%.
Universities have never been more than a bottom-line for-profit business that uses cult-like recruiting tactics and has absolutely no shame or loyalty to anything or anyone but themselves.
I hope this is becoming a bit clearer to everyone now, as in the past I've been ridiculed for blasting universities as money-driven cults.
They provide very little value in the modern world and should be used sparingly.
Now your IT department will be trying to fleece the faculty and students with scam phone calls about how their computers are infected with viruses.
Bravo, nitwits.
Shouldn't be any discussion about this. If a UNIVERSITY is outsourcing. They should instantly lose all federal and state funding.
Wanna behave like a private company? Get treated like one. No taxpayer soup for you.
My surprise is that anyone is still surprised. Since the dawn of any kind of technology, people you didn't expect have taken it for the purpose of achieving the same thing that you have achieve - financial gain and security. Whether it's a person, company, university, or country. Is it really surprising that all of our innovations around knowledge work, IT, etc are being consumed by other more eager people to find jobs that they can fill for lower cost than we desire?? If anything, the new part of it is the kind of jobs that are at stake, but even that's not worth reacting to.
Senator Feinstein heal thyself! H1-B increase after H1-B increase.
If the federal .gov was really concerned about improving things internally, surely this would impact the GDP of the country in some way, .e.g. dollars out of country, rather than cirulating within it.... unless the savings outweigh the GDP benefits, they should clamp down on international outsourcing ... Just Saying ;)
Working in IT, I'm not too thrilled by this, but that one statement shows a complete lack of thought.
To paraphrase not-Everett Dirksen, "A tenth of a percent here, a tenth of a percent there, pretty soon you're talking real savings."
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
The university's actions will ultimately lower their annual $5.83 billion budget by just 0.1%.
It doesn't take a fortune teller to see how this will end. Anyone with experience with low-cost offshore replacements knows that after the painful transition and a slow degradation of IT performance (with all the slowness, bugs, and embarrassing security breaches that come with it), the fallout of the university's decision will ultimately cost a hell of a lot more to fix than what is saved up front.
Budget should be 75% lower. For the benefit of a very few, jobs in OUR country are being given to foreigners. It's disgusting.
If the US dealt with the outsourcing problem as the root of all other monetary issues, there would be enough available jobs for everybody in the states.
How greedy can corps get? They sacrifice our jobs so that they can pay a foreigner often half the cost. These are multi million/billion dollar corporations, yet they're the actual root of the problem. Make outsourcing so damn expensive, that corporations can ONLY lose a shit-ton of money.
I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but I wonder if anyone has gotten this on the president elect's radar. With all the noise he has been making about saving jobs being shipped over sears, maybe he would apply some pressure to the situation.
Why make a huge move that requires training a large amount people, cause huge amount of political strife, and barely save any money. The answer is obvious: they hate Americans.
Color me shocked! Shocked I say. It blows my mind she has an entire history built around how amazing she is to hold so many high positions as a woman, but it doesn't take much work to see, it's a history of failures and exceptional levels of mediocrity. I don't know why the democratic party an their insiders keep backing her and getting her jobs.
... a few dead ducks propose no quack economic medicine . How many is a few cement-booted globalists? Count the outsourcers yachts at Marira Del Rey and you'll have your answer. Good hunting sez that chicom guru to Ca. nationalists!
Shouldn't be any discussion about this. If a UNIVERSITY is outsourcing. They should instantly lose all federal and state funding.
Wanna behave like a private company? Get treated like one. No taxpayer soup for you.
It's a fine position, but how about the rest of the debate?
California was four-square against the recent election outcome, which was in large part *against* globalism. Lots and lots of supporters here and in the MSM were arguing the benefits of this sort of thing from every viewpoint. Some people lose their jobs, but the economy prospers overall. Those jobs are never coming back. We'll be losing all of them to AI anyway.
California is so much against the populist uprising that they are implementing sanctuary cities (and sanctuary universities), giving illegal immigrants drivers licenses and the ability to vote, and generally planning to oppose any new federal mandates and changes (such as deportation of illegals).
And yes, it's the California cities which are [politically] deep blue, while the rest is generally red.
So how does this position fit into the rest of the debate? How can one show outrage over this situation and still support the [generally accepted as] liberal Californian viewpoint which embraces globalism?
Representative Zoe Lofgren (from a district in Silicon Valley) is arguing that the university "is training software engineers at the same time they're outsourcing their own software engineers. What message are they sending their own students?"
Same message as the law schools: "We're happy to take your money. If you can't find a job after you graduate, tough shit. You should have thought carefully about your major's future potential before taking on $100K in student loans."
Carrier was scared. Ford was spooked. Toyota was scolded.
I wonder what will happen here, presumably at the heart of American innovation and ingenuity. How is the PEOTUS going to threaten against this drain of American jobs?
Most UC campuses have decentralized, highly inefficient IT, some supporting administrative staff, some supporting faculty, and some supporting research. Funding varies by department. Outsourcing won't fix problems or reduce waste; it's just moving the problem around, as anyone with experience in outsourcing IT will tell you.
Assuming that the original article is correct (always a subject to be examined), this is an incredibly stupid thing for UC to do. Bad on the substance, bad on the optics, negligible effect on the budget. Whoever thought this up needs to be replaced.
Why is their budget bigger than most countries?
They will save 60 million dollars by outsourced 20% of the workforce? I have worked in IT in one of the highest internationally acclaimed universities, it was just 2 full time guys with 2 student helpers for 1/5th of the university. I really doubt that the total yearly salaries exceeded 200K.
Keeping a few thousand computers and a few server rooms running is really not that big of a job.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/...
You are welcome on my lawn.
And where will all the engineers and researchers come from if there aren't people going into higher education? Guys like Thiel and Trump may be able to amass large amounts of capital, but without the academic, science and technical expertise working for them, they'd be nothing.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Us Alt-Right nut faces don't generally insult the other side of the debate.
Who else would use the word "libtard" in political comments?
And where will all the engineers and researchers come from if there aren't people going into higher education?
Those are the workers who aren't smart enough to own the corporate ladder. They're happy to climb the corporate ladder, pay the highest tax rates and make someone else rich.
The headline makes it look like the entire University of California is outsourcing their IT to India. Everyone - San Francisco, Berkeley, Santa Cruz, Riverside, Irvine, San Diego, Davis, LA, et al
Is that really the case? I was under the impression that the only people doing that was UCSF. It also brings to mind one question - why can't UCSF outsource that job to UCB, which is just across the Bay Bridge? Let the descendants of the BSD inventors manage their IT
How can they say with a straight face that security will be "as good as it is now" when they have just introduced a massive attack vector into the system?
Along with the factor of "Oh network traffic from India is just fine, let that all pass right on through".
Glad I"m not on their payroll or enrolled as a student (to be more specific glad they don't have my SSN).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Instead of the old standby "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" IT support can now come back with "Have you tried reincarnating the OS instance?"
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
That's not general. That's specific.
The state utilizes violence and coercion to extract money from innocent people. The government should stay out of education and social welfare programs. As hilarious as this situation is people in IT have little to complain about. No one should be guaranteed employment- but the government should also not hinder people from working through various licenses including drivers licenses. They justify it based on safety when in reality it is about corporations wanting to make a buck, control, and limiting competition.
There are lots of employment opportunities for those willing to move and those unwilling should be prepared to suffer the consequences. When you end the nanny sate and taxes go down or get eliminated altogether you'll find that your worth doubles. The government steals so much money (and then wastes on administration and inefficiencies much of that because there is no free market competition) that most of us could afford private security, private schools, private health care, and so on, and would be able to once again resurrect an American tradition of donating 10% of ones income to charity. We're poor and living in one bedroom apartments with room mates because of the ridicules amount of social welfare (public schools, welfare, social security, etc) and insufficient local resources. If you would rather take responsibility for your own life and join people who think like you consider moving to New Hampshire and taking part in the liberty migration movement. With enough people in one geographic region we can easily fight the state and are already routinely getting politicians elected at state and local levels for the first time anywhere- that is principled libertarians. Libertarians as most people know are just republicans in sheep clothing- they're evil. Real principled libertarians, or the types that are moving to NH are not democrats nor republicans, even if we're forced to get elected as such due to laws restricting third party candidates. Principled libertarians don't believe in the use of violence, theft, fraud, or coercion to achieve political or social goals. You have the right to put whatever you like in your body, to make agreements with others free of government coercion (be it tax or marriage, even polygamy and gay marriage). Principled libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative and just want government out of their life.
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Us Alt-Right nut faces don't generally insult the other side of the debate.
Is that all you got? I haven't met a lefty yet that could rub two words together to make a coherent argument.
It's always "herp derp you're so stupid herp derp".
So you're going for hypocritical sanctimony in the same three sentences, is that it then?
Couldn't you do it in one?
I lost my last job due to lack of University funding.
Big middle finger to everyone involved.
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-n...
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Slashdot on manufacturing jobs being sent offshore: "Suck it up and smell the future. You are just like the buggy whip manufacturers!"
Slashdot on IT jobs being sent offshore: "This Is An Outrage!!!!!"
Was the publication outsourced too?
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We need to look past the short term savings, and look at the long term costs and business benefit. If your IT team isn't bringing in the business, maybe you need new management rather than outsource IT.
"You pedantic twit!"
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
So.. are their students supposed to move to India after graduation to get a job? Not sure what kind of marketing strategy this is. While you ask someone to pay you to train him on a job, you show him that there is no request for the position here.
We are already dead.
Fuck - a United States where people who push shit like that are running the place. It makes Rumsfeld look like an intellectual in comparison.
Maybe it's time to start learning Mandarin.
Careful, when you call out the lefties here you get modded down into oblivion and disparaged as being a nut.
Clearly the inner city sewers like Chicago and Baltimore, after generations of exclusive lefty control, will show what the outcome looks like if you leave those folks in charge of anything for long.
It's over. Mr. Trump is someone else's POTUS. But not mine.
Sorry to inform you, if you're a citizen of the US, then he's gong to be your president unless something extraordinary happens. Period, full stop, the end. You might not have voted for him, you might hate his guts and politics and wish him ill, and until he takes to oath of office he ISN'T your president -- but once he does, he is.
*I* didn't vote for Obama and didn't like a lot of things that he did (and didn't do.) But looks like his hopey changie thing is finally working itself out.
Then again, if you really don't want him to be your president, you can always renounce your U.S. citizenship and pick exactly who you'd like. Once, anyway. I suggest you move to Canada like these people AREN'T. Or you could join Cher, I'm sure she's going to be lonely on (in?) Jupiter.
And by the way, I'm curious: are you on either coast? I'm in flyover country. (Well actually not, I'm not even that close to the aerial lanes.)
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
I can imagine what Matloff (author of The Art of R Programming) had to say about it.
Rumsfeld went to Princeton on a scholarship and is probably much more an intellectual than anyone on this website.
A lot of this outsourcing is not just about cutting cost. Some of it is driven by kickback money provided by the outsourcing firms. Most of these outsourcing firms don't have a problem bribing IT executives.
A wrestling scholarship - you lose.
California is the champion of diversity. Now they are complaining? Why? Oh yeah, diversity for all unless it affects me.
A wrestling scholarship - you lose. -DBIII
Sorry he won, and you lost before you even started playing the game
Rumsfeld attended Baker Demonstration School,[11] and later graduated[12] from New Trier High School. He attended Princeton University on academic and NROTC partial scholarships*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
And from his book
https://books.google.com/books...
Why is it every time I run into you on this site you're making stuff up ?
*NROTC = is the naval reserve officer program not national wRestling something or other
Us Alt-Right nut faces don't generally insult the other side of the debate.
Who else would use the word "libtard" in political comments?
Anyone with experience of the extreme left ?
Outsourcing is about getting rid of people, and the hiring process.
When you outsource you will get half as many indian people, each performing like 0.25 local employees. So you end up with 10-15% of the work you had before. Then you pay consultancy fees to get anything done, ending up getting worse results for higher costs. The net result is the cost is higher, and since money goes to india, less of it is returned in local taxes, and for both the customer and the country it will cost more.
A university has plenty of students that can work at a relatively low pay, yet perform very well. This is the last place I would expect to outsource.
If they want to downsize operations to what they get from India, just fire 80% of the staff. Indians are hired to piss on the server if there is a fire. Only incidents can trigger any action. Or payment.
One thing to think about: Many companies outsource, and lots of training is needed. Some companies has started to insource. How much training is needed for the local staff ? Usually nothing. Why ? Because everybody, including management, knows the staff the outsourcing partner puts on the daily job are worthless.
I am in a company that outsourced about 100 people to IBM, who slowly migrated it all to India. Now our IT staff is much larger than before. We still need specialists in all areas, architects, project managers to follow up on indian project managers etc. There just is no savings. But it is easier for the managers to just point the the outsourcing partner they picked themself.
poor displaced Americans
Enjoy your next president. He's the consequence of throwing your working class under the bus.
So I was wrong about the wrestling, looks like I was misled by a thing I read way back when Rumsfled was fucking up the armed forces the first time. The AC said Rumsfeld was better than all of us here academically. Some people here have a long list of published papers and doctorates - the AC is an idiot and a total loser.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/...
That has to be a pisstake article! God I hope so.
Wanna buy a shirt?
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So I was wrong about the wrestling,
the AC said Rumsfeld was better than all of us here academically.
vs
Fuck - a United States where people who push shit like that are running the place. It makes Rumsfeld look like an intellectual in comparison.
Maybe it's time to start learning Mandarin..
Yeah he's the guy who brought Rumsfeld up and didn't know what he was talking about not you.
Can anybody tell me why they aren't outsourcing I.T. to AFRICA?
Can anybody tell me why NO company or university is outsourcing I.T. to AFRICA?
Could it possibly have anything to do with genes and IQ? Say it ain't so!
The University of California is going to collapse very soon, due to the endless lies of 'diversity' and the Bolshevik bullshit they have been peddling for their Jewish masters for the past two decades. They already have huge funding issues and yet are spending millions on their 'diversity' department. Soon there won't be any white people left in California, then what will their 'diversity' department actually do? It will have already achieved its goal - to permanently remove ALL white people from the university.
Every single one of those IT workers who vote for Democrats have been voting for this shit. This is what 'globalization' means - a handful of Democrat elites get to have high paying jobs while everyone else's wages and standard of living race to the bottom to compete with third world nations.
It's not the Democrats talking about cutting back on H1B visas and preventing US companies from moving jobs outside the US.
"Careful, when you call out the lefties here you get modded down into oblivion and disparaged as being a nut."
That's what karma accumulation is for.
Rumsfeld is an intellectual.
That's what made him so dangerous. He developed intellectual theories (e. g., "Shock and Awe") and some fool was idiot enough to allow him to run experiments on them. And that's a large part of why Iraq is the mess it is today and why it has been fertile ground for ISIS.
And, if I'm not mistaken, he retired to become a university professor.
So you're going for hypocritical sanctimony in the same three sentences, is that it then?
Couldn't you do it in one?
What do you take him for? Some sort of pointy-headed libtard intellectual?
> The left has a bias or belief that problems are the fault of society, whereas the right tends to bias to the belief that problems are the fault of the individual.
That's reasonably fair and I realize this is a bit of a tangent to your main point, but I don't know that "fault" is necessarily the right word. I believe that my daughter, who is black and of course female, can become a supreme court justice, president, or chairwoman of the joint chiefs DESPITE whatever is wrong with society, and that it's easier for her to change her own actions than to change all of society. I'm sure Colin Powell encountered some racism; he went right ahead and became Secretary of State *anyway*. He was then in a position to affect society. He didn't whine about the problems in society, he overcame them.
On one hand, you can't help but feel for people whose jobs are displaced. On the other hand, you have somebody willing to do the same job for a fraction of the money. Consider that there are people on both sides.
The principles of modern capitalism - notably free trade - mean that acess to markets that rich countries have devastate local industries. On the flipside, poorer countries experience brain-drain, but also benefit from jobs moving into their lower-wage markets.
There is no silver bullet that will solve this. You can't prevent outsourcing, the economy would stop being competitive. But considering that there are people on both sides is a must. At the very least, the on-shore people should be given training and severance to ease the transition, and off-shore pay must be regulated in relation to the original pay.
Outsourcing IT jobs is going to reduce opportunities for financial aid and job training for the students; undermining the basic mission of universities. Dumb move UC.
"The red ink was partially the result of an increased caseload from Medi-Cal, the state’s Medicaid program, which was expanded under the Affordable Care Act. Medi-Cal reimbursements are so low that UCSF loses 40 cents on every dollar it spends on those patients’ treatment, he says."
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
In CA, judges often assign mildly criminal idiots public service hours instead of jail time which often means picking up trash on the side of the road.
Road repairs require actual skill and are performed by state employees or sometimes municipal depending on the road.
Fucking moron.
Dunno how to say this, but I have no sympathy for the companies and people involved.... been saying for the longest time that all this IoT crap are not only security and privacy nightmares, they also only make stuff needlessly more complicated and prone to errors and glitches.
Guess you get what you deserve. Too bad.
He's still an asshole.
Rumsfeld is an intellectual. That's what made him so dangerous.
They high five each other as they put another one over the populous.
You have never met a leftist who could make a coherent argument? You must not get out much. Do you even know what a leftist is?
I ended up working for a place that wins these contracts for IT services. A group of around 400 of us had to make the decision to go or not, pretty standard. What we didn't know in the next 12-18 months was that they were moving most of those jobs to offshore locations like Brazil, Argentina, India. I was asked to go to one of these countries to train the team there, said no and started looking for another job. They were going to be laying of most of the outsourced team in the US it turned out and leave 1-2 people in the US to oversee them. Fast-forward 5 years later and that same shop did not re-sign that contract and brought everything back in-house. It would appear that the typical offshore/outsource scenario happened - they move the work to offshore, those people implement a few changes, a mistake is made, they get their ass handed to them over a few conference calls, they stop making ANY changes and call the 1-2 people still in the US non-stop 24/7/365 to have THEM make the changes or berate them into doing it until those people burn out and leave thus rendering the offshore/outsourcer useless because they won't do anything. The original outsourced company doesn't care because they have made their nut and know that if said company cancels the contract, the outsourcer reaps a fat termination fee. The tact of most outsourcing companies is to undercut everyone else's bid, make sure the company doing the outsourcing doesn't add a provision into their contract that all jobs must be kept in the US or Canada (which is a valid provision and costs more) and then offshore it all as fast as possible without trying to piss off the company that just signed the contract to get past any cancellation period then bam, they have them. This same scenario continues to play out until these companies wise up and see that outsourcing ends up costing them more in the long-run as they burn up their own employees that oversee either the outsourced contract, admins or both.
Saving .1% of total bonus equals millions, that the CEO gets added to his bonus.
Plus all the dinners and perks the Tata Consulting can fund.
http://www.ucop.edu/president/index.html
The university's actions will ultimately lower their annual $5.83 billion budget by just 0.1%.
58 million is nothing to sneeze at! That's at least 12-15 new do-nothing VPs they can now hire.
I wonder how many people will miss the irony of your global anti-left insult following a statement about not generally insulting the other side and instead take you at face value.
They probably thought there would be a Hilary win. And then the republicans would have stopped the government from doing anything, because they can't have a woman be successful any more than they can let a ni gger be in charge.
UC system outsourcing jobs to India. Bad! Keep jobs in US or lose federal funding!
And that, I think, is fair enough, as there is no real difference between the "individual" and "society", as ideological categories, because we are always both, we are all individuals and we all live in society and are part of social institutions.
And there's no real difference between a "spark plug" and an "automobile," because a spark plug is part of both, it is an individual spark plug and it also lives in an automobile and is part of automobile systems.
A society is composed of individuals, but a society and an individual are not the same thing.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
I have long suspected that a major part of the EU Privacy laws is really to protect their jobs.
If the US had a similar privacy law, or even just parts of it, we would stop outsourcing of IT to low wage countries. We could also bring back the check processing and mortgage loan processing and other jobs.
Universities on public assistance and connected to government networks should also have security concerns.
Let's have a serious investigation as to the problems with IT outsourcing for security AND privacy.
> The university's actions will ultimately lower their annual $5.83 billion budget by just 0.1%. well, I can certainly see why they would risk the unavoidable disruptions, loss of direct control, loss of continuity, loss of institutional knowledge, etc
Except with fewer catastrophes and less false hair.
He didn't whine about the problems in society, he overcame them.
THIS.
Every inch of progress that has been made over the decades has been from people who do exactly that. Who forge ahead regardless of the difficulties, blazing a new path forward for others. Whining and complaining about inequality doesn't fix anything. Overcoming it does.
I mean, sure, people can complain too. They just shouldn't let that be the totality of their contributions.
This is not the only article based on this template: "A study - an actual study! - concludes that..." What I like about it is that it's stupid enough to make clear that the template itself is basically worthless if you're interested in what's true.
Because YOU are an American tax payer, and YOU give your cash to an international corporation that moves the money out of the USA, so YOU should be against offshore tax havens, imports and offshored jobs in the private sector that you pay to get goods from too.
No, because you don't know what the fuck you're on about, you only know "gubming bad, dey takes mi munny!".
Tell me, are you one of those assholes who claim taxation is theft? Because if so you need to realise something: a thief isn't required to give money back to the local economy. If you think the government has to, then it's not theft.
So, how do you hold folks accountable for security problems?
US workers can be called into court for civil and criminal proceedings.
If my medical records are stolen by a foreign worker, what is the recourse other than firing them?
Seems like a loophole in HIPPA.
Road repairs do not require actual skill unless you're on a bridge, and even then, potholes are simply filled with a fucking asphalt patch unless it's caused by a water line leaking, in which case, it's not a ROAD CREW, but a water maintenance crew doing the work.
But morons like you that have never worked in concrete wouldn't have a fucking clue.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
So, while I don't agree with this offshoring plan, people should keep in mind UCSF only offers degrees in various medical fields. They don't have an Engineering, CS, or IT college. So while this might screw over other IT workers out of jobs, it doesn't screw over UCSF alumni and students specifically.
They're complaining that they're only saving 5.8 million?
Funny, many on slashdot have reflexively ridiculed Trump. Instead of listening to ideas and discussing around merit, there as been a tendency for people to fall into the Republican Bad, Democrat good mantra. So, when he runs a campaign and starts making initial policies that emphasize protecting U.S. workers and economy, the stupidly smug among us decried it as unworthy and juvenile. But, oh, the very moment when YOUR jobs are being thoughtlessly removed for short term gain by the company/University, suddenly you are crying for the very protections and actions that Trump was espousing.
Both sides have their share of good and bad ideas. Don't you think it past time to grow up get over the childish notion that politics is a team sport? You can agree with an idea, even if it is from "the other side" if it is a good one. It's ok. Honest. You can even agree with a leader sometimes, and then disagree on another issue later. If you can achieve this one simple idea, the country will improve immensely.
So, take your first bold step. So far on this thread, no one else seemed to link this issue to Trump's platform in a positive way. Yet, nearly every post has unwittingly agreed with him. Now, take a deep breath and say it.
"On this issue, Trump was right, we should find ways to work with him to protect our workers"
Say it.
SAY IT
SAYYYYYY ITTT!!!!!!
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
Elsewhere the system works much less rapaciously. The problem isn't the university, it's the merkin mindset.
And now they're getting it.
Yeah because God forbid they try to change them rather than just 'overcoming' them. MLK shoulda just overcame and not whined.
the extreme left? Do you mean the people that assassinate (literally, not figuratively) those with whom they disagree? Or those who advocate assassination of those with whom they disagree?
US Universities have never been more than a bottom-line for-profit business that uses cult-like recruiting tactics and has absolutely no shame or loyalty to anything or anyone but themselves.
FTFY.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
It's so expensive to keep up with California's trends!
Diversity!
I bet all the progressive Californians are just LOVING it.
Like Colin Powell, Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr first overcame racism is own life, achieving personal success in the face of these challenges, in order to put him in a position to affect societal change. He didn't whine, he earned two bachelor degrees and a phd before becoming president of the the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Here's what Doctor King had to say about whether you should overcome whatever challenges you encounter:
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We shall overcome. We shall overcome. Deep in my heart I do believe we shall overcome. And I believe it because somehow the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.
We shall overcome because Carlisle is right; no lie can live forever.
We shall overcome because William Cullen Bryant is right; truth crushed to earth will rise again.
We shall overcome because James Russell Lowell is right:
Truth forever on the scaffold,
Wrong forever on the throne.
Yet that scaffold sways the future,
And behind the dim unknown
Stands God, within the shadow,
Keeping watch above His own.
--
From Doctor King's speech "We Shall Overcome".
when are they going to outsource varsity sports????!!! Sheesh, all those CS majors and grad students oughtta unionize or just give up and help reelect Trump!
Having graduated UCLA, I am embarrassed about this behavior. l agree entirely with the summary, what message are they sending their students?
Only I can judge you.
"I don't shoot my mouth off without knowing what I'm talking about" - by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Thursday December 31, 2015 @09:29AM (#51215379)
I catch you shooting your mouth off fucking up constantly: 2 raymorris security fuckups https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47379233/ & https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47374033/ + raymorris = script kiddie https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8895203&cid=51726265/
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Tell us how ONLY 'newer script kiddie tools' have stringlength built in (when PASCAL had it for ages - my fav tool) https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8472509&cid=51114383/ YOU BLUNDERING WANNABE!
APK
P.S.=> You like to talk behind others' backs like the gossiping bitch TROLL you are raymorris https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9880997&cid=53312265/ well, here I am letting YOU TALK in those links, showing your FAILS wannabe ... apk
And me without mod points. Troll.
Only I can judge you.
Seriously, has anyone seen a case where outsourcing/offshoring really had the result of improving anything or actually saving money in the long run? In my experience, it hasn't. Why does management continue to believe that their case is going to be different?
Its already a huge monster. Too big to fail. Patients complain about it being too expensive. UCSF doesn't care
While the Conservatives on the Right have fought them every single step of the way.
"Come to UCSF to get an education to get a great job that will be outsourced anyway"
Why do you HAVE to be an insufferable dick all the time?
Anyone with experience of the extreme left ?
Is not an American
The Alt-Right doesnt insult the other side in a debate? Please.
How many Alt-Righters have I seen parrot in mongoloid fashion "snowflake" for those who disagree with them. It's practically a mantra.
I ignore Anonymous Coward posts. If you want to discuss something, that's awesome. Log in.
Do I hear liberal tears? Time for some protectionism? Nah. California should become its own country; a country with outrageous home prices and no jobs.
Because my experience gives me the fucking privilege and the majority of you are insufferable faggots, so it all works out.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Oh, I'm sorry-- I thought in America, we were free to think and speak and vote as we please.
I must be thinking of some other country.
(funny enough, the first time I tried to post this, Slashcrap told me to "slow down" - evidently I'm speaking too often in this forum. Thank goodness for Tor!)
Don't worry. I got it covered.