The majority of my difficulties with switching between OS's is the occasional typing
Ok sorry but you just lost the interest of 1billion people without finishing that first sentence. dir? what is that? The only time a Windows user types dir is when a scammer calls them up and offers to help "fix" their computer. The people who type dir are sys admins and power users. They aren't the ones that won't learn another OS, and chances are they already know multiple anyway.
So its a bad thing being a power user? Regardless, I've put a lot of people on Linux, and they are closer to the stereotypical Granddma we talk about. Email, web, and the occasional word processing. My whole comment was in the differences between interfaces. As in many cases, not much. My wife hit her stride on Linux Mint instantly after she refused to use W8 after a month. Her previous computer was a W7 machine.
I have this thing, perhaps it is only me, but I do not believe that computing is a one size fits all environment, and just like I have a set of metric tools, and a set of American baed tools, I sues the tool that is best fit for the job at the time.
Bad comparison. A metric driver won't drive an imperial socket.
Whoosh. My point that you completely whooshed on is not the specific size, but that a person should use the best tool for the purpose. You have metric bolts, you should use metrich wrenches on them. You probably shouldn't be so anxious to disagree with a person that you deliberately misunderstand them.
What I'm hearing is that you're breaking your workflow between OSes to gain an improvement in overall efficiency due to the downsides that are part of an incomplete toolset. That's an application problem that isn't present in most environments (I'm actually surprised you still find art / graphics work on OSX superior given Apple's and Adobe's recent efforts to screw the OSX users, but I'll take your word for that). The point is your solution presents effort to switch between OSes, effort to learn OSes, and above all a complicated system to setup that allows you to switch between OSes without horrible workflow breaks. It's impressive, but also well out of reach of 99.9% of the users out there who can't so much as figure out how to properly backup a Lightroom catalogue without some hired help.
Therefore, my opinions are apparently completely 100 percent invalid and wrong. Who knew? I had no idea that it was that difficult to switch between Os's. I must be fsckin amazing! And wrong too, My cousin that thinks Mac users are all homosexuals is the better computer operator in your world. because he's in the 99 percent of operators who are doin' it right. Commit to one platform, and for gods sake, don't learn anything.
Now was that sarcastic, or just a tl;dr version of your post to me?
It's neither bad nor lazy. It's pointless. Why would someone learn Linux unless they have to?
Because they want to? I can't be the only one out there who is interested in stuff just to learn stuff. And it helped me get my wife to use her computer again, after she refused to use Window 8. And unless you have some reason to dig into the details, Linux Mint (or most distros for that matter) require a shitload less learning than say going form Windows 7 to Windows 8. Hell, just maintaining W8 was like a game od whack-a-mole, with things we did for years since W95 suddenly being hidden in odd places. I finally just refused to support it, telling people I don't work with W8
To repeat your question, why would someone want to learn that?
Why would anyone learn OSX if they are a happy Windows user? The only reason OSX people or Linux people would learn Windows is if they are forced to use it by work.
Because there are things that OSX does better? I know to an approximation of a fact that you don't believe that, but having used both for years, and supporting both for years, I'm either an idiot and so wrong as to be incompetent, or else I know what I am talking about in this matter.
And there are some things that Microsoft computers do better. Why does my commentary on the cases where OSX is better enrage some people who may never have used it, while my saying from experience that in some cases Microsoft OS is better not make them think for s second, so they launch into the same old arguments?
This isn't a game of leapfrog like in a car market where comparable features change with companies and options leapfrogging each other, it's just an OS. The OS just is and just works. There's no reason to do something unless unless the OS ceases to work.
At this point - No, the OS doesn't simply just work. Unless you have been living under a rock, you've heard about the havoc that W10 updates has wreaked, Cameras broken, Drivers broken, Internet access broken. People had computers that worked, then an unavoidable update, and bam - they don't any more.
I hope you aren't going to be one of those guys who demeans what others are doing just because it hasn't happened to you.
You and everyone else just made my point about consumer-level 'work'.
I am talking about interfacing with real hardware. Big industrial one-off stuff.
Go back to your photoshop, Maya scanners drones etc. Play-things for adults.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Well, aren't you just the alpha and Omega of computing. The one among us who is doing real work.
Sorry muchacho, its a big world out there, with all manner of real work to be done. I have also done one-off work interfacing with hardware, although I'm not certain how you define "real hardware". All my work was and is real, and nicely paid. Some involves Photoshop, some involves Maya and or Lightwave. Some involves PowerPoint, and some involves Excel (more accurately when dealing with my own work, the Apache Office versions of each)and some involves FCP and it's suite.
And some involves interfacing and programming different pieces of hardware together, and the design of the interfacing hardware as well as the programming.
Soon as I'm done typing this, I'm heading off to install a system I designed to get two radically different real hardware systems to talk to each other, and interface with a software system and networking they were never designed to operate with originally.
Your rather snooty put down of anyone that isn't doing what you do sounds more insecure than self confident.
I'd argue that it's easier to get along with linux if you're less computer savvy (assuming there's someone to set it up for you). A non-computer savvy person is a lot more willing to live with minor nuisance issues and chalk them up to being caused by some computerey thing they don't care about. Someone who is tech savvy knows they don't have to live with minor nuisance issues, and is generally going to be a lot less forgiving when it comes to minor problems. When that person attempts to fix said problems themselves they usually end up breaking other things, and won't grudgingly decide to just live with the original problem until 3 wasted weekends and 2 total reinstalls later.
I'd argue back that I am by virtue of my savvy - of which I do not claim expert status at all - that I will use the best tool for the task I am doing. And Windows is not always - in fact for my line of work, not often the best tool for the job. And really, OSX very seldom has issues that requires a total reinstall. That's a Windows thing. The only time I have ever done that on a Mac was when a hard drive failed - sort of understandable in that case. People that have problems because of keyboard layout are seldom that tech savvy. Just experience talking, and that could be wrong.
I would also argue that your minor nuisance issues ar enot even remotely a nuisance for some of us - just a difference. I seamlessly go between my OSX and W7 in bootcamp. The differences prompt me as to what OS I am in.
Side note. In the pursuit of the best tool for the job, there are people what use Parallels to Run Windows on their Mac. I use Bootcamp because it allows direct hardware access, and runs better without any performance hit. Yup - I gotta reboot. Nope, not a problem for me.
Although I would be interested in hearing why tech savvy people would fixate on one platform to the exclusion of others because of that tech savviness. I find that rather confusing. Is it because they haven't used other systems to find out their capabilities? Is it that they are in a niche tasking where they only use a few tools? There is also a possibility of the pHD effect where one becomes an expert in a smaller and smaller field, versus one who needs to know how to do a lot of things. The microfield people tend to look down on the generalists, while many generalists simply have too wide a range of interests to confine themselves to one small subject
Depends on what you mean by lethal. Cancer causes severe degradation in the host to the point of death. The same can not be said about the systemd systems which are happily running along just fine.
The guy with his systemd cancer equality is modded +5, and you write the actual truth and its at 1. There are Linux people out there as bad as the Microsoft shills.
I get what you're saying at some point. But I'd still say it's a sort of mental laziness.
Preach it brother!
Migrating from Windows to linux is too hard, but XP to Vista to 7 to 8 to 10 is the exact same interface to some folks?
Wy wife went from a W7 laptop to a W8, it was such a clusterfuck that she refused to use it after a month, I installed Linux Mint, and without >i> any instruction, she just used it.
I did have to give her some instruction in maintenance, which is a lot easier in Linux mint than anyrhing on the Windows side. But she's a happy Linux user now. Her computer even works after updates.
>When switching OSes you now need to retrain your "muscle memory" on how to close windows, and if you use multiple OSes on a regular basis you probably end up momentarily confused on both. And to what end? Even if there's some grand philosophical reason to the change (and I've never heard one), the end result is that they made OS migration that much more difficult for the sake of a tiny functionality change.
The majority of my difficulties with switching between OS's is the occasional typing of dir vs OS. I must be completely differnt in mental makeup I suppose. All I do is remember the machine I'm on - Linux and OSX are very close functionally, but since I had to use and support both, I learned them both, and if there is one thing it has taught me is that It isn't terribly difficult. But people might find out fcts they don't want to find out.
I have this thing, perhaps it is only me, but I do not believe that computing is a one size fits all environment, and just like I have a set of metric tools, and a set of American baed tools, I sues the tool that is best fit for the job at the time.
I've had to use Windows based options to do video and Art and graphic work. Weak. I have some Windows tools that I use that are better than what I can use on OS X. So I boot into Windows, and there I go. Do the work with the superior tool, and then reboot back to OS X.
Others might find that they want one single computer to do every task they would ever want to do. That the particular computer that they decided upon is superior in all ways to the other options, and that anyone who uses a different computer is deficient. That makes them limited, not superior.
When you say "type normally", do you actually mean "type like a Windows user"? Whenever you change system you should expect some culture shock.
This reminds me of a co-worker who's husband had a mac, and his Windows buddies went off on things like the keyboard and never missed a chance to bust on the Mac.
Since I was giving the guy support, he started in on me about it. Every problem was the mac's fault. Because it was a Mac. Finally, I just told him that his friends were right, and he needed to buy a Windows machine so he could get things done right.
He did, and his wife told me it didn't make a bit of difference, except now he had to rely on his Windows buddies for support, and that didn't work out very well, as they were better at bitching about Macs than supporting Windows.
Huh? What are you taking about? Connect a keyboard with these if you want them. There have always been key chords for these and I particularly like that many keyboard shortcuts are the same as on Linux, like the Ctrl+E/-A combos. Pointy-clicky and advanced people are satisfied, but Windows users have to learn a new way (and so what?)
Just wait, I know someone is going to bring up the ancient one button mouse any time now.
hylander is just proving that on the internet, no one knows you are a dog.
Just regurgitating the old Ford Versus Chevy soundbites, and failing pretty bad at them whne he goes into full contradiction mode, claiming we don't get any work done, and using gaming as the proof of that. Note to hylander: games are not work.
I don't mind a serious conversation with people about Macs versus PC, but that transcended serious at that point.
imho, Macs are great at giving people the impression they are getting shit done, when in reality a lot of times it's really only consumer level word-processing that's going on.
Hell you can barely game on a Mac.
Dafuq did I just read? The world class expert who knows that Mac users don't do shit, and to prove it, you can hardly game on them.
That's about all we need to know from you. Being an anti-hipster just makes you a hipster of a different sort, and if gaming somehow proves your point, well, have a nice day.
Switching OSes is a simple sell. Switching OSes + applications, or OSes + learning how to run things in emulators and live with resulting bugs, that sell is significantly harder.
As someone who has tried twice now to make the switch, Linux is only free if you don't value your time.
I dunno that I'd brag about that. I switched my completely non-computer savvy wife to Linux after she had the shitz of Windows 8, and she's maintaining her computer all by herself.
My quibble is that there are many who want to run Windows but say they need to run Windows, when they very likely don't.
I think the question isn't so much one of need on an OS level, but rather specific features and or learning how to make alternatives work.
Switching OSes is a simple sell. Switching OSes + applications, or OSes + learning how to run things in emulators and live with resulting bugs, that sell is significantly harder.
After Windows 10 updates bollixed up sound drivers on multiple occasions and two Ethernet drivers now, rendering operable computers inoperative for our purposes, the sell gets easier all the time. And those were just the computers I am personally responsible for, not the ones I give support to. That's a mess of breaks upon updates.
So for some it might be a choice of learning something new - always fun, at least for me - or spending as much time just getting the damn thing to work like it did yesterday.
As for myself, I'm rolling back my Windows machines to Windows 7. W8X is a disaster, and W10, while having some nice features, is brittle and fragile. Otherwise, I use OSX and Linux.
My only lack of understanding in this matter is why so many people aren't capable of understanding more than one Operating system. Laziness? Ford versus Chevyness? Somewhere along the line it became dogma that understanding more Operating systems was bad. The triumph of ignorance.
Even if the first part were true, there's absolutely no need for a totalitarian state to fix it.
Please don't conflate the problem with an entirely different problem. There are many paths to mitigating climate change, and potential solutions from across the whole political spectrum. Instead of denying the problem exists, why not promote a solution you're comfortable with?
The deniers aren't a monolithic group. There are deniers who deny because they have a pecuniary interest in protecting the carbon emitters. There are the deniers who have a sort of inertia, a resistance to change. I think this is the majority of Slashdot deniers. There are the deniers who just want to have a different outlook, and enjoy denying things.Contrarians as it were.
Finally, there are the deniers who can't understand why their liberty is being infringed on when they aren't allowed to marry their sister. How dare anyone tell them they can't continue to use something?
For the millionth time, if it's hot it's climate change and we need a totalitarian state to fix it.
If it's cold it's weather.
Silly, hot is weather as well.
It's pretty silly to think that adapting to a problem is somehow totalitarian.
It is a good thing that we discovered that benzene was a dangerous carcinogen or that we shouldn't lick the brushes while using radium paint to form a nice point on them, or that maybe we shouldn't use powerful X rays as a shoe fitting gimmick for our children. All of those caused a problem.
In today's world, that would be an insufferable restriction on people's liberty.
Last year - in particular the start of July and August - we had the highest temperatures ever recorded here.
This year has been a few degrees cooler, the thunderstorms in May and June stopped the temperatures running away.
Elsewhere? No idea.
Here in the northeast, It has been a little weird at times. Its been hot, and many places have had tropical sort of weather a friend who works in weather had some interesting info on way upstate New York where there have been several days with a dew point of 80 degrees F.
Closer to home, I don't know that we've set a lot of records for heat this summer, but only a few mornings have seen the night time temps dip below 70. I bought a new spa this spring, and its been too hot to use it most of the time (yeah - first world problems)
Regardless, that's weather. Unusual weather to be certain, but in the end, weather.
I glanced at a forum recently which claimed to have found proof that global warming is really fiction. It was some community site in Oregon. The crazy thing was, the posters to that forum were serious.
I have yet to find any remotely convincing argument that disproves the greenhouse effect. When denialists attempt to go all sciency, they get lost really quickly.
Most of what they do is use outdated evidence like the radiosonde versus satellite anomaly which has since been reconciled - even to the person they like to use as their "smoking gun".
Which really was no smoking gun anyhow. Latching on to an anomaly or data that isn't in complete correlation doesn't disprove AGW. Trying to use that is a science version of the God of the Gaps attack, where anything we don't know is attributed to One's personal deity.
Meanwhile the gaps get smaller and smaller.
In the end, even the staunchest denier group is inadvertently doing science a favor, by goading scientists along to answer their questions. The same thing happened in the field of evolution, when the irreducible complexity people tried to argue that structures like the eye couldn't have come about gradually. So the scientists turned their attention toward that, and showed it easily could have, and to almost a certainty - did.
Meanwhile the deniers are rapidly being pushed into a smaller and smaller corner. They have no answer for the 800 TeraWatts of radiative forcing that has occurred since the beginning of the Industrial revolution.
The people who believe in human-influenced global warming are usually NOT the same who believe in the sky-fairies and the Great Spirit.
"To think that man could be capable of effecting change on such an enormously huge scale is the height of arrogance. Sounds like you need to lay off the weed and granola"
Man? A single man probably doesn't stand a chance but millions, hundred of millions, billions?
They need to head off to West Virginia to see the Terraforming we've done. Looks like a reshaping of the land of biblical proportions. Entire mountains now reside in what used to be valleys.
I'm afraid so. It takes a long time but once there's enough heat built-up and stored, the effects will persist for decades, perhaps even longer.
"a whole solar system's worth of evidence to suggest that it's a natural occurrence"
We have a couple different things going on. Carbon Dioxide is a fairly long term greenhouse gas. Methane is much more powerful in effect, fortunately shorter lived in action. A few "anti-greenhouse gases are also short lived, like Sulfur Dioxide, which can cool the planet for a time after large volcanic eruptions.
My biggest concern is that as methane is released as is happening now, we'll be going through a special kind of hell for a hundred years or so.
the processes are natural and the Sun is the single biggest driver - but think of Old Sol as a nuclear plant, delivering steady, predictable baseload.
Once the plant is in operation, it just keeps humming along, provided there's enough cooling but if that diminishes, it quickly spins out of control.
So the GHGs, natural and man-made, are retaining more of the solar heat and storing it in the oceans and at some point, that stored heat is going to be released and we'll have a very bad couple of decades at best.
It is such an odd thing that the deniers deny the simple chemical process that without which, life as we know cwouldn't exist, or in a seeming miracle of divine intervention, somehow keep the situation exactly the same, and that the Greenhouse effect is only happening for non-human greenhouse gas injection.
800 Terawatts of radiative forcing is nothing to sneeze at.
So far I have personally had two updates that killed audio drivers, two computers that had their ethernet drivers killed by updates - strangely enough three identical computers did not get killed by the same update. I've supported dozens of computers that had audio knocked out by updates.
side note: the trick to getting the damn things back on line was bizzare to say the least, but I'll repeat it here in case it happens to someone else. First I took a USB-Ethernet adapter to try to get ethernet connectivity again. That didn't work. So I tried uninstalling the ethernet drivers for the on-board adapter. Then plugged the USB adapter back in and rebooted. That worked. So I rolled back then redid the updates (remember that three of my computers survived the same update that killed the other two) and as soon as I get home, It should be working again. I hope. But it is Windows ya know.
If you doubt this for a second, imagine passing something the size of a bowling ball through... well, a very small orifice in your body.
Ever pass a kidney stone? I haven't but my Brother in law dose many times a year, and he's incapacitated each time. Nice little abrasive marbles, coming out of a system not designed to enlarge itself.
Dunno if it is a good comparison, but a lot of women don't seem to be all that upset about having multiple children, but I don't know anyone who has passed a stone that looks forward to the next one.
Regardless, the tit for tat comparisons aside, how could we make any kind of Women suffer more than men or men suffer more than women arguments when its pretty obvious that one will never be the other.
It's probably because they suffer more pain as a part of ordinary living that they're better able to manage it - if every women refused to have a child because the pain would be so agonizing, humanity would have died out 50,000 years ago.
Well, as soon as I was going to leave my kidney stone example and move on - we get this. Come on - Your conjectural explanation of of course women feel more pain than men, but they are better at managing it could just as easily be explained by them not feeling as much pain during childbirth as you assume.
I have no doubt that women and men both feel pain, (duh) and may have different reactions to pain. But turning it into some sort of masochistic contest where somehow one wins by being the most negatively affected is silly.
Not that a hellava lot of people don't do just that, every day.
Pain is pain, and different people have different tolerance levels, even if there is a gender based difference overall, it doesn't mean a thing when applied to the individual. My wife has a markedly lower pain tolerance than I do. What does that mean for you or your SO? Nothing at all.
Differential analysis: Maybe men want to get baked more than women, so they made certain to report how freakin' awesome the effects of ganga were. Anything to get it legalized. Anything to get that promised bag of Cheetos after the experiment.
And there you have it. Immediately upon any new like this, some slashdotter comes on and tries to derail the idea with their personal situation.
And there you have it - some asshole getting bent out of shape because a perfectly reasonable question was asked about something that millions of Americans deal with annually.
Yes, I am an asshole, but at least I know myself - You probably think you're pretty awesome.
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The majority of my difficulties with switching between OS's is the occasional typing
Ok sorry but you just lost the interest of 1billion people without finishing that first sentence. dir? what is that? The only time a Windows user types dir is when a scammer calls them up and offers to help "fix" their computer. The people who type dir are sys admins and power users. They aren't the ones that won't learn another OS, and chances are they already know multiple anyway.
So its a bad thing being a power user? Regardless, I've put a lot of people on Linux, and they are closer to the stereotypical Granddma we talk about. Email, web, and the occasional word processing. My whole comment was in the differences between interfaces. As in many cases, not much. My wife hit her stride on Linux Mint instantly after she refused to use W8 after a month. Her previous computer was a W7 machine.
I have this thing, perhaps it is only me, but I do not believe that computing is a one size fits all environment, and just like I have a set of metric tools, and a set of American baed tools, I sues the tool that is best fit for the job at the time.
Bad comparison. A metric driver won't drive an imperial socket.
Whoosh. My point that you completely whooshed on is not the specific size, but that a person should use the best tool for the purpose. You have metric bolts, you should use metrich wrenches on them. You probably shouldn't be so anxious to disagree with a person that you deliberately misunderstand them.
What I'm hearing is that you're breaking your workflow between OSes to gain an improvement in overall efficiency due to the downsides that are part of an incomplete toolset. That's an application problem that isn't present in most environments (I'm actually surprised you still find art / graphics work on OSX superior given Apple's and Adobe's recent efforts to screw the OSX users, but I'll take your word for that). The point is your solution presents effort to switch between OSes, effort to learn OSes, and above all a complicated system to setup that allows you to switch between OSes without horrible workflow breaks. It's impressive, but also well out of reach of 99.9% of the users out there who can't so much as figure out how to properly backup a Lightroom catalogue without some hired help.
Therefore, my opinions are apparently completely 100 percent invalid and wrong. Who knew? I had no idea that it was that difficult to switch between Os's. I must be fsckin amazing! And wrong too, My cousin that thinks Mac users are all homosexuals is the better computer operator in your world. because he's in the 99 percent of operators who are doin' it right. Commit to one platform, and for gods sake, don't learn anything.
Now was that sarcastic, or just a tl;dr version of your post to me?
It's neither bad nor lazy. It's pointless. Why would someone learn Linux unless they have to?
Because they want to? I can't be the only one out there who is interested in stuff just to learn stuff. And it helped me get my wife to use her computer again, after she refused to use Window 8. And unless you have some reason to dig into the details, Linux Mint (or most distros for that matter) require a shitload less learning than say going form Windows 7 to Windows 8. Hell, just maintaining W8 was like a game od whack-a-mole, with things we did for years since W95 suddenly being hidden in odd places. I finally just refused to support it, telling people I don't work with W8
To repeat your question, why would someone want to learn that?
Why would anyone learn OSX if they are a happy Windows user? The only reason OSX people or Linux people would learn Windows is if they are forced to use it by work.
Because there are things that OSX does better? I know to an approximation of a fact that you don't believe that, but having used both for years, and supporting both for years, I'm either an idiot and so wrong as to be incompetent, or else I know what I am talking about in this matter.
And there are some things that Microsoft computers do better. Why does my commentary on the cases where OSX is better enrage some people who may never have used it, while my saying from experience that in some cases Microsoft OS is better not make them think for s second, so they launch into the same old arguments?
This isn't a game of leapfrog like in a car market where comparable features change with companies and options leapfrogging each other, it's just an OS. The OS just is and just works. There's no reason to do something unless unless the OS ceases to work.
At this point - No, the OS doesn't simply just work. Unless you have been living under a rock, you've heard about the havoc that W10 updates has wreaked, Cameras broken, Drivers broken, Internet access broken. People had computers that worked, then an unavoidable update, and bam - they don't any more.
I hope you aren't going to be one of those guys who demeans what others are doing just because it hasn't happened to you.
Yet.
You and everyone else just made my point about consumer-level 'work'.
I am talking about interfacing with real hardware. Big industrial one-off stuff.
Go back to your photoshop, Maya scanners drones etc. Play-things for adults.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Well, aren't you just the alpha and Omega of computing. The one among us who is doing real work.
Sorry muchacho, its a big world out there, with all manner of real work to be done. I have also done one-off work interfacing with hardware, although I'm not certain how you define "real hardware". All my work was and is real, and nicely paid. Some involves Photoshop, some involves Maya and or Lightwave. Some involves PowerPoint, and some involves Excel (more accurately when dealing with my own work, the Apache Office versions of each)and some involves FCP and it's suite.
And some involves interfacing and programming different pieces of hardware together, and the design of the interfacing hardware as well as the programming. Soon as I'm done typing this, I'm heading off to install a system I designed to get two radically different real hardware systems to talk to each other, and interface with a software system and networking they were never designed to operate with originally. Your rather snooty put down of anyone that isn't doing what you do sounds more insecure than self confident.
I'd argue that it's easier to get along with linux if you're less computer savvy (assuming there's someone to set it up for you). A non-computer savvy person is a lot more willing to live with minor nuisance issues and chalk them up to being caused by some computerey thing they don't care about. Someone who is tech savvy knows they don't have to live with minor nuisance issues, and is generally going to be a lot less forgiving when it comes to minor problems. When that person attempts to fix said problems themselves they usually end up breaking other things, and won't grudgingly decide to just live with the original problem until 3 wasted weekends and 2 total reinstalls later.
I'd argue back that I am by virtue of my savvy - of which I do not claim expert status at all - that I will use the best tool for the task I am doing. And Windows is not always - in fact for my line of work, not often the best tool for the job. And really, OSX very seldom has issues that requires a total reinstall. That's a Windows thing. The only time I have ever done that on a Mac was when a hard drive failed - sort of understandable in that case. People that have problems because of keyboard layout are seldom that tech savvy. Just experience talking, and that could be wrong.
I would also argue that your minor nuisance issues ar enot even remotely a nuisance for some of us - just a difference. I seamlessly go between my OSX and W7 in bootcamp. The differences prompt me as to what OS I am in.
Side note. In the pursuit of the best tool for the job, there are people what use Parallels to Run Windows on their Mac. I use Bootcamp because it allows direct hardware access, and runs better without any performance hit. Yup - I gotta reboot. Nope, not a problem for me. Although I would be interested in hearing why tech savvy people would fixate on one platform to the exclusion of others because of that tech savviness. I find that rather confusing. Is it because they haven't used other systems to find out their capabilities? Is it that they are in a niche tasking where they only use a few tools? There is also a possibility of the pHD effect where one becomes an expert in a smaller and smaller field, versus one who needs to know how to do a lot of things. The microfield people tend to look down on the generalists, while many generalists simply have too wide a range of interests to confine themselves to one small subject
Depends on what you mean by lethal. Cancer causes severe degradation in the host to the point of death. The same can not be said about the systemd systems which are happily running along just fine.
The guy with his systemd cancer equality is modded +5, and you write the actual truth and its at 1. There are Linux people out there as bad as the Microsoft shills.
hello m$ shill, please fetch your cheque at the counter. Good job!
Hold on. The Windows 10 Anniversary Update screwed up the printer, so the checks can't be printed.
Nobody likes being a newbie. Especially those who consider themselves experts.
Well, I don't agree. I was a late arrival to Linux, starting around 5 years ago to approach it seriously. Learning was fun, and I still am.
Then again, I do know a lot of people that don't want to learn anything new, so you are right there, just not about everyone.
I get what you're saying at some point. But I'd still say it's a sort of mental laziness.
Preach it brother!
Migrating from Windows to linux is too hard, but XP to Vista to 7 to 8 to 10 is the exact same interface to some folks?
Wy wife went from a W7 laptop to a W8, it was such a clusterfuck that she refused to use it after a month, I installed Linux Mint, and without >i> any instruction, she just used it.
I did have to give her some instruction in maintenance, which is a lot easier in Linux mint than anyrhing on the Windows side. But she's a happy Linux user now. Her computer even works after updates.
The majority of my difficulties with switching between OS's is the occasional typing of dir vs OS.
Obviously, I meant dir vs ls.
>When switching OSes you now need to retrain your "muscle memory" on how to close windows, and if you use multiple OSes on a regular basis you probably end up momentarily confused on both. And to what end? Even if there's some grand philosophical reason to the change (and I've never heard one), the end result is that they made OS migration that much more difficult for the sake of a tiny functionality change.
The majority of my difficulties with switching between OS's is the occasional typing of dir vs OS. I must be completely differnt in mental makeup I suppose. All I do is remember the machine I'm on - Linux and OSX are very close functionally, but since I had to use and support both, I learned them both, and if there is one thing it has taught me is that It isn't terribly difficult. But people might find out fcts they don't want to find out.
I have this thing, perhaps it is only me, but I do not believe that computing is a one size fits all environment, and just like I have a set of metric tools, and a set of American baed tools, I sues the tool that is best fit for the job at the time.
I've had to use Windows based options to do video and Art and graphic work. Weak. I have some Windows tools that I use that are better than what I can use on OS X. So I boot into Windows, and there I go. Do the work with the superior tool, and then reboot back to OS X. Others might find that they want one single computer to do every task they would ever want to do. That the particular computer that they decided upon is superior in all ways to the other options, and that anyone who uses a different computer is deficient. That makes them limited, not superior.
And then there are the people who have lived a long time and remember the weather scare du jour that's gone on their entire lives.
What were the daily weather scares?
When you say "type normally", do you actually mean "type like a Windows user"? Whenever you change system you should expect some culture shock.
This reminds me of a co-worker who's husband had a mac, and his Windows buddies went off on things like the keyboard and never missed a chance to bust on the Mac.
Since I was giving the guy support, he started in on me about it. Every problem was the mac's fault. Because it was a Mac. Finally, I just told him that his friends were right, and he needed to buy a Windows machine so he could get things done right.
He did, and his wife told me it didn't make a bit of difference, except now he had to rely on his Windows buddies for support, and that didn't work out very well, as they were better at bitching about Macs than supporting Windows.
Huh? What are you taking about? Connect a keyboard with these if you want them. There have always been key chords for these and I particularly like that many keyboard shortcuts are the same as on Linux, like the Ctrl+E/-A combos. Pointy-clicky and advanced people are satisfied, but Windows users have to learn a new way (and so what?)
Just wait, I know someone is going to bring up the ancient one button mouse any time now.
What? What can't you hook to a Mac?
hylander is just proving that on the internet, no one knows you are a dog.
Just regurgitating the old Ford Versus Chevy soundbites, and failing pretty bad at them whne he goes into full contradiction mode, claiming we don't get any work done, and using gaming as the proof of that. Note to hylander: games are not work.
I don't mind a serious conversation with people about Macs versus PC, but that transcended serious at that point.
imho, Macs are great at giving people the impression they are getting shit done, when in reality a lot of times it's really only consumer level word-processing that's going on.
Hell you can barely game on a Mac.
Dafuq did I just read? The world class expert who knows that Mac users don't do shit, and to prove it, you can hardly game on them.
That's about all we need to know from you. Being an anti-hipster just makes you a hipster of a different sort, and if gaming somehow proves your point, well, have a nice day.
Chillaxe ford versus chevy man.
Switching OSes is a simple sell. Switching OSes + applications, or OSes + learning how to run things in emulators and live with resulting bugs, that sell is significantly harder.
As someone who has tried twice now to make the switch, Linux is only free if you don't value your time.
I dunno that I'd brag about that. I switched my completely non-computer savvy wife to Linux after she had the shitz of Windows 8, and she's maintaining her computer all by herself.
My quibble is that there are many who want to run Windows but say they need to run Windows, when they very likely don't.
I think the question isn't so much one of need on an OS level, but rather specific features and or learning how to make alternatives work.
Switching OSes is a simple sell. Switching OSes + applications, or OSes + learning how to run things in emulators and live with resulting bugs, that sell is significantly harder.
After Windows 10 updates bollixed up sound drivers on multiple occasions and two Ethernet drivers now, rendering operable computers inoperative for our purposes, the sell gets easier all the time. And those were just the computers I am personally responsible for, not the ones I give support to. That's a mess of breaks upon updates.
So for some it might be a choice of learning something new - always fun, at least for me - or spending as much time just getting the damn thing to work like it did yesterday.
As for myself, I'm rolling back my Windows machines to Windows 7. W8X is a disaster, and W10, while having some nice features, is brittle and fragile. Otherwise, I use OSX and Linux.
My only lack of understanding in this matter is why so many people aren't capable of understanding more than one Operating system. Laziness? Ford versus Chevyness? Somewhere along the line it became dogma that understanding more Operating systems was bad. The triumph of ignorance.
Can you show me the math regarding your .08C projected increase?
Even if the first part were true, there's absolutely no need for a totalitarian state to fix it.
Please don't conflate the problem with an entirely different problem. There are many paths to mitigating climate change, and potential solutions from across the whole political spectrum. Instead of denying the problem exists, why not promote a solution you're comfortable with?
The deniers aren't a monolithic group. There are deniers who deny because they have a pecuniary interest in protecting the carbon emitters. There are the deniers who have a sort of inertia, a resistance to change. I think this is the majority of Slashdot deniers. There are the deniers who just want to have a different outlook, and enjoy denying things.Contrarians as it were.
Finally, there are the deniers who can't understand why their liberty is being infringed on when they aren't allowed to marry their sister. How dare anyone tell them they can't continue to use something?
For the millionth time, if it's hot it's climate change and we need a totalitarian state to fix it. If it's cold it's weather.
Silly, hot is weather as well.
It's pretty silly to think that adapting to a problem is somehow totalitarian.
It is a good thing that we discovered that benzene was a dangerous carcinogen or that we shouldn't lick the brushes while using radium paint to form a nice point on them, or that maybe we shouldn't use powerful X rays as a shoe fitting gimmick for our children. All of those caused a problem.
In today's world, that would be an insufferable restriction on people's liberty.
Last year - in particular the start of July and August - we had the highest temperatures ever recorded here. This year has been a few degrees cooler, the thunderstorms in May and June stopped the temperatures running away.
Elsewhere? No idea.
Here in the northeast, It has been a little weird at times. Its been hot, and many places have had tropical sort of weather a friend who works in weather had some interesting info on way upstate New York where there have been several days with a dew point of 80 degrees F.
Closer to home, I don't know that we've set a lot of records for heat this summer, but only a few mornings have seen the night time temps dip below 70. I bought a new spa this spring, and its been too hot to use it most of the time (yeah - first world problems)
Regardless, that's weather. Unusual weather to be certain, but in the end, weather.
I glanced at a forum recently which claimed to have found proof that global warming is really fiction. It was some community site in Oregon. The crazy thing was, the posters to that forum were serious.
I have yet to find any remotely convincing argument that disproves the greenhouse effect. When denialists attempt to go all sciency, they get lost really quickly.
Most of what they do is use outdated evidence like the radiosonde versus satellite anomaly which has since been reconciled - even to the person they like to use as their "smoking gun".
Which really was no smoking gun anyhow. Latching on to an anomaly or data that isn't in complete correlation doesn't disprove AGW. Trying to use that is a science version of the God of the Gaps attack, where anything we don't know is attributed to One's personal deity.
Meanwhile the gaps get smaller and smaller.
In the end, even the staunchest denier group is inadvertently doing science a favor, by goading scientists along to answer their questions. The same thing happened in the field of evolution, when the irreducible complexity people tried to argue that structures like the eye couldn't have come about gradually. So the scientists turned their attention toward that, and showed it easily could have, and to almost a certainty - did. Meanwhile the deniers are rapidly being pushed into a smaller and smaller corner. They have no answer for the 800 TeraWatts of radiative forcing that has occurred since the beginning of the Industrial revolution.
The people who believe in human-influenced global warming are usually NOT the same who believe in the sky-fairies and the Great Spirit.
"To think that man could be capable of effecting change on such an enormously huge scale is the height of arrogance. Sounds like you need to lay off the weed and granola"
Man? A single man probably doesn't stand a chance but millions, hundred of millions, billions?
They need to head off to West Virginia to see the Terraforming we've done. Looks like a reshaping of the land of biblical proportions. Entire mountains now reside in what used to be valleys.
I'm afraid so. It takes a long time but once there's enough heat built-up and stored, the effects will persist for decades, perhaps even longer.
"a whole solar system's worth of evidence to suggest that it's a natural occurrence"
We have a couple different things going on. Carbon Dioxide is a fairly long term greenhouse gas. Methane is much more powerful in effect, fortunately shorter lived in action. A few "anti-greenhouse gases are also short lived, like Sulfur Dioxide, which can cool the planet for a time after large volcanic eruptions.
My biggest concern is that as methane is released as is happening now, we'll be going through a special kind of hell for a hundred years or so.
the processes are natural and the Sun is the single biggest driver - but think of Old Sol as a nuclear plant, delivering steady, predictable baseload. Once the plant is in operation, it just keeps humming along, provided there's enough cooling but if that diminishes, it quickly spins out of control.
So the GHGs, natural and man-made, are retaining more of the solar heat and storing it in the oceans and at some point, that stored heat is going to be released and we'll have a very bad couple of decades at best.
It is such an odd thing that the deniers deny the simple chemical process that without which, life as we know cwouldn't exist, or in a seeming miracle of divine intervention, somehow keep the situation exactly the same, and that the Greenhouse effect is only happening for non-human greenhouse gas injection.
800 Terawatts of radiative forcing is nothing to sneeze at.
Headaches.
So far I have personally had two updates that killed audio drivers, two computers that had their ethernet drivers killed by updates - strangely enough three identical computers did not get killed by the same update. I've supported dozens of computers that had audio knocked out by updates.
side note: the trick to getting the damn things back on line was bizzare to say the least, but I'll repeat it here in case it happens to someone else. First I took a USB-Ethernet adapter to try to get ethernet connectivity again. That didn't work. So I tried uninstalling the ethernet drivers for the on-board adapter. Then plugged the USB adapter back in and rebooted. That worked. So I rolled back then redid the updates (remember that three of my computers survived the same update that killed the other two) and as soon as I get home, It should be working again. I hope. But it is Windows ya know.
If you doubt this for a second, imagine passing something the size of a bowling ball through... well, a very small orifice in your body.
Ever pass a kidney stone? I haven't but my Brother in law dose many times a year, and he's incapacitated each time. Nice little abrasive marbles, coming out of a system not designed to enlarge itself.
Dunno if it is a good comparison, but a lot of women don't seem to be all that upset about having multiple children, but I don't know anyone who has passed a stone that looks forward to the next one.
Regardless, the tit for tat comparisons aside, how could we make any kind of Women suffer more than men or men suffer more than women arguments when its pretty obvious that one will never be the other.
It's probably because they suffer more pain as a part of ordinary living that they're better able to manage it - if every women refused to have a child because the pain would be so agonizing, humanity would have died out 50,000 years ago.
Well, as soon as I was going to leave my kidney stone example and move on - we get this. Come on - Your conjectural explanation of of course women feel more pain than men, but they are better at managing it could just as easily be explained by them not feeling as much pain during childbirth as you assume.
I have no doubt that women and men both feel pain, (duh) and may have different reactions to pain. But turning it into some sort of masochistic contest where somehow one wins by being the most negatively affected is silly.
Not that a hellava lot of people don't do just that, every day.
Pain is pain, and different people have different tolerance levels, even if there is a gender based difference overall, it doesn't mean a thing when applied to the individual. My wife has a markedly lower pain tolerance than I do. What does that mean for you or your SO? Nothing at all.
Differential analysis: Maybe men want to get baked more than women, so they made certain to report how freakin' awesome the effects of ganga were. Anything to get it legalized. Anything to get that promised bag of Cheetos after the experiment.
And there you have it - some asshole getting bent out of shape because a perfectly reasonable question was asked about something that millions of Americans deal with annually.
Yes, I am an asshole, but at least I know myself - You probably think you're pretty awesome.