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Ask Slashdot: How Will You Handle Microsoft's New 'Cumulative' Windows Updates? (slashdot.org)
Microsoft's announced they'll discontinue "individual patches" for Windows 7 and 8.1 (as well as Windows Server 2008 R2, 2012, and 2012 R2). Instead they'll have monthly "cumulative" rollups of each month's patches, and while there will be a separate "security-only" bundle each month, "individual patches will no longer be available." This has one anonymous Slashdot reader asking what's the alternative:
We've read about the changes coming to Windows Update in October 2016... But what happens when it's time to wipe and reload the OS? Or what about installing Windows on different hardware? Admittedly, there are useful non-security updates worth having, but plenty to avoid (e.g. telemetry).
How does one handle this challenge? Set up a personal WSUS box before October to sync all desired updates through October 2016? System images can work if you don't change primary hardware, but what if you do? Or should one just bend the knee to Microsoft...?
Should they use AutoPatcher? Switch to Linux? Or just disconnect their Windows boxes from the internet... Leave your answers in the comments. How do you plan to handle Microsoft's new 'cumulative' Windows Updates?
How does one handle this challenge? Set up a personal WSUS box before October to sync all desired updates through October 2016? System images can work if you don't change primary hardware, but what if you do? Or should one just bend the knee to Microsoft...?
Should they use AutoPatcher? Switch to Linux? Or just disconnect their Windows boxes from the internet... Leave your answers in the comments. How do you plan to handle Microsoft's new 'cumulative' Windows Updates?
I run Linux. I keep a Windows system around for minor software that needs it, but I don't put sensitive information on it like mail or personal data.
Linux is your partner. Microsoft is your master. Choose wisely.
Sometimes the "writing on the wall" is blood spatter...
I'd be curious even if these are cumulative patches if we could still use the wusa /uninstall /kb:xxxxxxx command to uninstall individual KBs we don't want.
I kept Windows 7 to update my GPS maps, but I boot 99.9% of the time in Debian.
Since tye year 2000 times I had tried different Linux distros but never had enough motivation to leave windows.
Windows 10 provided enough stimulus.
just that simple. they are acting like tin-star dictators already, and it seems to get worse every time they get a new brain-fart.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
I've been running Linux exclusively on all my own machines for 15 years or so now, so I won't be worrying about this at all. I do have to use Windows machines for work, but those are supplied and supported by my employer, so I don't have to worry about it there, either. Hooray!!
If this means a Windows 7 install that has been around for 2-3 years won;t have 50GB+ consumed by windows installer cache files I'll be pretty happy with the change. Not sure it is going to mean that though...
After using Linux for 18 or so years, I think it's time to switch back to Windows..... actually, nah.
I won't install them.
My wife's photography business currently runs on Windows 7. We can't accept the risk of Microsoft screwing up her production environment (Photoshop + Lightroom).
For now, we're going to stop installing Windows updates, and cross our fingers.
Once that starts seeming too risky, I'll look into moving Windows into a VM with limited Internet access, or we'll migrate to using a Mac for the photo editing.
Neither option is appealing. I haven't yet figured out how difficult it will be to get monitor color-calibration right if Windows is running on a VM inside Linux. And sufficiently powerful Macs are painfully expensive.
I'll be curious to see if Microsoft's overall strategy from the past year is going to pay off for them. They're literally driving previously satisfied customers into their competitors' arms.
MS's malware tactics now automatically pushed for added convenience. Go Linux!
Honestly, I only run Windows for a few specific applications now. I use Windows so infrequently that whenever I boot that disk I have 30+ updates to install. I am very happy with the OS X UI and find it to be much less distracting than the live tiles. Virtual Box works fine for most Windows needs.
The Live tiles are always tempting me to get off task and go look at something more interesting than my work.
Appy app apps guy is right - the future in everyone's mind is Apps, not some LUDDITE desktop application or "pre-App web app" -- but I think Microsoft is really dismissing how much legacy code is out there and is broken by various updates. I do systems integration work with an end user desktop focus, and there are _so many_ crappy IE-only, ActiveX or Java applet or Flash or Shockwave (!) monstrosities lurking in corporate IT shops everywhere. Most of it isn't even in-house developed - it was written by really expensive consultants who want another few million to modernize it.
It will be very interesting to see how they pull this off - whether there will be an exception for Enterprise, etc.
Do people really think al-la-carte Windows patches were a good solution for complexity and stability of the OS? What about when you needed to reboot 5 times to get a new XP install current or that the time to patch was longer than the time to infect from internet worms?
Apple just has cumulative patches for iOS and macOs and it isn't a terrible problem for them; it probably makes more reliable than having to test every combination for interactions.
Elementary OS
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
We'll see what happens, but for now I've taken the precaution of using WSUS Offline to download all updates as of today. If I ever need to install Windows 7 again I have my original disc (and backed up ISO on cloud storage) and I can use the update installer from WSUS Offline to apply the updates I downloaded without ever needing to put the computer on the Internet. (And yes, this tool lets you add specific updates to an exclusion list so that they don't get installed).
It is so sad to see it come to such a painful end. I actually bought Windows 1.0 in my youth and have had a machine running a Windows version ever since. I did manage to skip the most disastrous versions (ME, Vista, Bob and friends) and as a result had a pretty good run. By Windows 7 it had finally become a stable workhorse OS that, for a time, served me well as its owner and master.
With Windows 8.x and then 10 it became evident that Windows as an OS no longer served me as its (paid and rightful) owner but instead answered to an increasingly malevolent master who was working against my will and interests. Its aim was nothing other than to harvest and sell me, my identity, my movements, my thoughts, my keystrokes, as a product like any other meat based commodity. I knew I could not in good conscious willingly give myself over to such abuses. I concluded that Windows 7 would be my last Windows and in my personal view was THE last Windows as I knew the product all these years, with the things that came after no longer sharing a common purpose with those that came before.
While corrupting the Windows brand was bad even more nefarious was to take the Windows 7 the I own now away from me. The tried heartily to wear me down with deceptive pop-ups and then with malicious corrupting patches but, through great effort, I diligently thwarted them all. Now it seems the end has come, my paid copy of Windows 7 Professional will be corrupted by force or left to wither and be ravaged by wild dogs and the NSA in what I personally view to be a heinous crime against all humanity.
As a long term Microsoft customer, the sentiment I now associate most with the company is betrayal.
I've been with Microsoft since DOS; tried and don't have much love for Linux, but this past year is the last straw. I never, *ever* thought I'd say this, but I'm moving over to Mac in the next few months and be damned the cost. I'll keep Windows 7 on an old laptop, or run newer stuff in a VM, but I refuse to run 8 or 10 as my primary OS.
Still, this doesn't make me happy.
I will likely use the "security-only" bundle; and try to remove all rarely used Microsoft software other than the Windows 7. I already removed Java and Adobe; now will have to think about removing MS Office because, I foresee, in time the "security-only" bundle will stop patching office. Tim S.
Step 1) Remove tinfoil hat.
Step 2) Keep using Windows as usual.
There. That wasn't hard.
It is comical to think that IT departments can "pick and choose" which patches to install. They aren't qualified to know which are important or not. I know a lot of corporate IT does this: they select only selected patches that they have supposedly "tested".
No Unity, a traditional desktop, and best of all... NO WINDOWS.
I will apply all the patches that the vendor supplies in an automated way where possible and where not, as soon as is practical. While it is true that a vendor could screw up a patch, it is also true that my hard drive could die, malware could get on my system, an other hardware or software problem could corrupt my data, or I could just screw up and delete data myself.
To protect myself from any of these occurrences, I keep regular backups. I take these backups at a frequency similar to the amount of data I am willing to lose in the event of any failure (including "evil" actions on behalf of my OS vendor.) For me the frequency of backups is generally daily.
Note that I use the term OS vendor instead of Microsoft here, this because I run several computers with several operating systems (Microsoft, Linux(s), others) and I have had them all screw up a patch.
Since I have chosen not to write or personally review the source code for all the software I use (because I don't have that kind of time), I choose to outsource that work to several vendors, one of which is Microsoft. Yes, there are risks to running software from Microsoft (or any other vendor), Microsoft may not have my best interests in mind. However their software meets my needs and I have made the calculation that the value the software provides outweighs the risks.
so dialup / system on ISP with very small caps may not get any updates and people with small caps may not want to download an 500-700MB update each month.
I still consider Windows 7 as the best OS Microsoft ever made. As far as updates go I completely disabled them after the update gate fiasco. If you feel like me and had to disable windows updates because you can't trust them not to update your entire operating system then it's probably best to part ways, like a psychotic girlfriend that spies on your every move. Trust is a two way street. Once you break that trust the relationship can never be the same. Time for me to go back to Linux. As unrefined as it is, at least they're trying to do good things for their users instead of exploiting them. I'll never run a Mac OS or Google OS for the same reason. Microsoft didn't just cross the line, they got in a spaceship and flew light years past it at ludicrous speed.
>"Ask Slashdot: How Will You Handle Microsoft's New 'Cumulative' Windows Updates?"
I run Linux and have for decades. That is how I handle dealing with Microsoft. Of course, that doesn't do most people much good...but people allow themselves to be slaves to Microsoft. The stunts Microsoft has pulled over the last several years shows they are just as controlling, unreasonable, and manipulative as ever.
There is never a better time to move away from MS-Windows.... Linux is just as robust as ever, it has a lot of great applications, lots of support structure, and more and more business software is finally moving to be cloud based and/or web-front ended so the clients can run whatever they like.
Change is never easy, though.
Upgrade to windows 10 for free (actually already done it).
in the world, insert, and then I won't feel anything else.
Microsoft hotfixes were never "individual" in the first place.
There are two servicing branches for Windows. GDR and LDR. GDR is what used to go out on Windows Update. LDR is for changes that are considered more risky, and is a superset which also contains GDR changes. All changes are cumulative, per binary. Once you install an LDR fix, that binary stays on LDR branch until a service pack is applied.
At service pack time, GDR and LDR branches are merged.
There's no such thing as an "individual" Microsoft patch. All binaries are patched cumulatively; the only question is what cumulative version you have installed for a given binary.
All that's changed is that they don't want to actually document bugs that are fixed in the hotfixes in detail, and they want to force everyone to more or less the same patch level, because 90% of the time, customers having problems are running old bits that aren't being tested by Microsoft any more. There's an ongoing religious argument over "patch to the latest" vs "don't touch it to keep it stable". But in truth, if you hit a new, unfixed bug, and Microsoft created a new hotfix for you, or even if you just install the latest security update, you were always forced to accept all the cumulative changes between the patchlevel you were at, and the new hotfix you are installing. It's just that at the moment the heavy handed "force em to patch" faction has the upper hand at Microsoft now.
Install/update everything. Unplug the cable.
Go in an break every chunk of ms software i don't actually want.
From files to registry. Ownership taken. Deleted. Or files replaced with 0 length read only ones.
Monitor everything until i track down every piece of shit trying to use the net other than my browser.
Block all access to microsoft at the firewall and router.
Takes 3 days usually.
Actually almost all people here is a Linux user so the answers are really biased. In my personal experience, I run a small office and I need to print legal papers in perfect CMYK colors. Several Linux apps like Libre Office or GIMP (the worst offender) render official colors to web colors. And no guys, I cannot put a USB with a PDF document in the city hall, they want printed papers. So Linux is poor to terrible for the printer users. I won't talk for printer drivers, is a real mess and I just recently changed my Epson printer for buy one HP that is the only supported in Linux.
Mac is a love to work with, but alas it costs both arms and legs to get one -no say a powerful one, just the basic model-. So laugh all you want but Linux is not an alternative to several users. GIMP had open the CYMK bug since 2009 and they say they won't patch it since Dr. Sheldom Cooper do not need it. (sarcasm) So we are in the trap of Windows. Maybe I will made a WSUS DVD for clean windows 7 and dodge all updates behind a firewall. Meh.
You are one of those "and this time I mean it" people.
You won't dump Windows. Microsoft has probably crossed over your "line in the sand" 10 times in the last year.
They understand they have a captive audience. You might be ruffled about what they force down your throat, but they know you just complain and take it up the arse again the next time too.
disconnect it from the internet.
I advise that on general principle, anyway.
Ideas: (partly a re-post from Stop updating completely? Methods and comments)
1) Autopatcher and WSUS Offline Update: Use Autopatcher until Microsoft begins its new system of hiding even more completely what it is doing with its updates. Kvasio said to use WSUS Offline Update, another community driven solution.
Apparently Microsoft approves of WSUS Offline Update. This is from the Microsoft web site: Update Offline Virtual Machine with PowerShell and WSUS Offline Update: Part 1
Update Offline Virtual Machine with PowerShell and WSUS Offline Update: Part 2
2) Windows on an isolated network: Don't allow any Microsoft operating system to have a connection to the internet. Use Linux on a separate computer on a separate network for internet connections. Use Bluetooth to communicate between the Windows OS network and the Linux network.
For Microsoft, convincing people that Windows is buggy is profitable. An article I wrote last year, Microsoft Windows XP "end of life", makes the point that Microsoft fixed 319+828+459=1,606 bugs in Windows XP since Windows XP SP1 was released. Now Microsoft says Windows XP is still too buggy to use. We have 16 computers running Windows XP and haven't had any problems. And software does not have an "end of life", it continues to do what it always did.
Do secret government agencies pay for vulnerabilities? Why do Adobe Flash and the Windows operating system have so many vulnerabilities? Do Adobe Systems and Microsoft sell vulnerabilities to secret government agencies and fix them when they are publicly discovered?
Get serious about recognizing abuse. Quoting this comment, with modifications: We've seen Microsoft's continuous stream of lies and incompetence... including a number of "bugs" and "mistakes" that appear deliberate.
I still use Windows 7. It is what my company uses and I have to maintain a certain degree of compatibility. I also create content, both for myself and for the company I work for. I've avoided MS updates for years simply because Microsoft has proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted, and guess what. Everything still works. My non-Microsoft applications do not mysteriously uninstall themselves after an update, the driver for my printer/scanner does not suddenly stop working because it is not "the latest" available, and my anti-virus software has, so far, kept me reasonably safe from malware attacks. I consider myself lucky in that regard, but it is worth the risk in my opionion to avoid all the known spyware and software issues created by MS updates. I don't need my flightstick driver to stop working simply because it is not signed by Microsoft.
As part of my work I sometimes have to do on-line research. I do not need to see targeted ads for stuff I do for work. Just because I sometimes go to certain medical websites does not mean I have a medical condition, visiting a gun manufacturer's website does not make me a gun nut, and looking at the latest thing that Boeing is up to does not make me a pilot or a world traveller. I don't need to waste my time digging through spam for pills, guns, or airline fare "special" offers. If I'm actually interested in any of those things I'll do the research myself. I'm not going to buy stuff simply because I received a "targeted" scam.
Frankly, if this finally fixes the issue where windows 7 searches windows update for hours taking 100% of a core and 1-2GB of RAM in the process then I'm all for it.
One of the reasons I was recommending people to upgrade to windows 10 was for this issue alone. Hell, Half of my "my computer is slow" calls this week were for this issue alone, which now I can't recommend to upgrade to 10 cause it's no longer (technically) free.
In Soviet Russia, Trojan exploits YOU!
There a lot of complaints in this thread about this new *feature*, but hasn't the horse already escaped the barn? If you are using Windows, you are trusting them to do the right thing with your OS when you install it. How is this rolled up set of patches really going to change things? Either you trust them to do things right, or you go download *nix.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Virtualization.
Windows runs fairly well when you give it simple enough hardware to understand. I can also roll back my configuration within 5 minutes and determine what MSFT update broke what.
Windows only sees the files I need/want it to see, sees only very simple hardware, and only gets network access when I decide it needs it.
If you can't run away screaming to Linux, now is as good a time as ever to kick a few currency units to the ReactOS project. It's made enormous leaps lately and with a little more support they may actually be a replacement for Windows without the MS bullshit.
Everyone I know either uses Linux or OSX. I have a couple things I use XP for in a virtual machine, no internet connection. It is an old 32bit compiler that don't work win7+. My daily work horse is a MacBook pro running Ubuntu Linux 16.04. VirtualBox to run the XP virtual machine. My phone is OnePlus Two, everything works so much better since I switched almost a year ago.
Today Microsoft has announced they are going to be footing the bill for repairs for all users of their Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 operating systems. When asked why they made this change a spokesperson said "Well, we want to make sure everyone gets all the updates, and it breaks stuff, well, we'd be culpable legally anyways despite our EULA. So, we're just gonna go ahead and let people know to send us the bill when we brick their computers and lose all their personal data."
Should they use AutoPatcher? Switch to Linux? Or just disconnect their Windows boxes from the internet
How about just...fucking apply the cumulative updates and move on?
Windows is a monolithic mess, and managing patches for it has always been difficult. A lot of these patches require newer updates anyway, so it's just easier to delay, test, and then iterate mass-deployment rather than manage on a per patch basis. In the past, I'd just wait for the service pack and install that when the time came rather than dealing with the individual updates, unless I really needed a fix RTFN. Then MS killed the service packs. I guess this is a return to that, with more frequency.
If this is an issue about trusting individual patches, it's a fool's game. If you can't trust the patches, why are you trusting the OS and its vendor? MS has made it clear that they intend to market collected data on its users for profit. If you intend to use windows anyway, then keep that in mind when deciding your operating strategy. Use a util like OOSU to disable the crap, a start replacement that does not preload the shellexperiencehost/searchui processes (like startisback), build a custom whitelist for windows firewall, and do a system image before every monthly update in case something breaks. It's that or stick with an ancient version of windows or use another OS.
Apple does not collect and sell telemetry data to 3rd parties like Google and MS does.
If you claim Apple does this, you are lying and you need to provide proof, but you can't, so stop it right now.
If you don't trust the vendor, then it's time to look at someone else's products.
That being said, we are talking about Microsoft here. Many people disagree with their decisions, but they are more or less reliable. Their marketing may be agressive, but they aren't going to go to the point of breaking a product on purpose. They are going to test their patches to the best of their ability, and they are a large enough firm to have the means to do it well. Yes, there will be problems for some users. That is to be expected. Unlike many vendors, Microsoft has relatively little control over the hardware their product is used on or the software that is used on their operating system. So do take precautions like doing regular backups and be prepared to restore those backups if you end up being an edge case where things break.
While you can possibly do better than Microsoft, you can certainly do worse.
you can just disable the Windows Update service. problem solved.
Sacred cows make the best burgers.
I had everything switched to Linux Mint 17 last year
If I was going to have to retrain everyone anyway. I was certainly NOT going to
train them on a Micro$oft product that I had to pay for, and then pay to protect, then pay a Yearly fee
So it's back to patch Tuesday once a month.. but you have no choice about individually removing patches that break your hardware/software environment? Is this another assault by Microsoft on those that didn't migrate to Windows 10...? This smells like the revenge of the new walled garden (Apple was most recently.. the first)? How now does anybody maintaining a corporate environment handle patch-batches that can break your system but are not individually removable/blocked?
It's the wild wild west again.. and those of us stuck with the MS product suite by policy are once again forced to look to the west and bow down daily once the Horn of Bill Gates blows across the continental US =(
Peace out.
I've been pretty much a clueless Linux user for 20 years. I used to know how to configure X manually and write simple scripts and
stuff but I don't even remember how to do that any more. The last time I used Win32 was when I had XP installed on a
VMware/Slackware host in 2003 and the Blaster worm made it wank itself limp. Like I say, I'm no coder and I really don't know jack
about computers generally but in 1996, when some asshole tried to charge me $200+ for an "OEM" version of Win 95, I beat it
for the book store and got a copy of Slack 3.x I think on CD for $6.00. I eventually stumbled across copies of 98 and ME but I
couldn't get them to install and run for more than 10 minutes or so without fucking up. Even the Win2K copy I had was a very early
release and the setup utility would rarely complete. When it did the system would barely boot. I guess 2K eventually became a
decent system if you didn't connect the internet to it? The Linuxs' of the time were hard to set up and learn but they always seemed
to work. Some of the more recent releases (Win7 etc.) seemed like pretty decent systems, again, if you didn't poke around and
install 3rd party apps from the internet that were impossible to trust. Christ, these days it is completely painless by comparison to
move from WIndows to Linux Mint, or any of the other user friendly distros. Damn shame to be stuck in the update/patch/app/network
purgatory these folks are in.
Why not have an 7 SP2 and 8.2 to have a new base level before starting this
What happens to the zero day updates that some times comes out.
I don't care what MS does. Fuck them. It's obvious this is a plan to get people to upgrade to W10, which by the way they are forcing it, means you want to stay really far away from it.
I wait on installing updates anyways, since MS has shown they will push broken updates and push telemetry data bullshit on windows 7 also.
Be seeing you...
"This has one anonymous Slashdot reader asking what's the alternative"
Switch OSs.
Mac.
Linux.
Unix.
for anything other than enjoying computer games or ensuring games created are well coded and are ready to sell.
Move any real work over to an OS you have full control over.
Use and enjoy Microsoft for games, end user testing, just move the real world important work away from any MS product.
Trying to work around and with mandated, pushed updates is extra work. That time could go to product testing, development on any better OS that is totally controlled in house.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
It seems stupid to refuse to install update but I'm thinking that this might actually be the safest option. Microsoft proved that they, and the updates they issue, cannot be trusted during their efforts to force win 10 on the world. MS seems to have decided that they have the rights to:
1) Monitor all windows uses, without consent;
2) Force any software changes they wish, overriding our own settings or expressed wishes;
3) Turn windows into adware by pushing ads out to windows users - probably related to point 1;
Unpatched software does increase the risks of an installation but MS are no also a threat. Since my Windows installs are just used for gaming and some rare uses of Windows only software, MS does appear to be the great threat to stability. I don't even bother browsing the Internet from Windows.There is essentially nothing on my Windows installs that I would miss, if I had to restore an older backup, so dealing with malware is pretty simple.
My primary OS now is Linux, installed on multiple computers, and it would continue to be regularly updated. MS has made dumping their OS one of the easiest decisions to make.
What people really need to do is separate their Internet browsing habits from their real computer.
You can do this by browising in a VM. Keep your real computer separate.
Companies like Microsoft are trying to mine and profit from your personal shit. Keep those bastards out.
Having used both OSes for several decades... Both OSes are great for what they do. Linux detractors can go fuck themselves a la loopback.jpg. and Windows haters can do the same, in case it's over fake "security concerns" w.r.t. Windows 10, in which case, they need a one-way trip to Guantanamo Bay in order to learn what REAL invasion of privacy is. Fucking children.
Back in the days of XP SP1 I bought a laptop. It wanted to install a "security update" right away, but I put it off. wanting to get comfortable with my new computer and my new operating system first. I also used a live Linux CD on the computer a lot.And if you recall, these were the days that Microsoft was particularly vocal about their hatred for Linux. After about a month I finally told Windows that it could install the "Security Update". I didn't notice any obvious change in Windows, but I did see one big change with my laptop, it could no longer connect to the Internet when I ran my live CD!
I checked everything. The CD was still the same and still had the proper CRC checksum. I made another CD anyway but, as expected, the results were the same. After a lot of work I finally tracked down the problem. The laptop NIC, like all modern NICs, had a small eeprom on it that stored the MAC address (that's how they can mass produce NICs that all have unique MAC addresses). And it turns out that there is plenty of extra space in the eeprom not needed for the MAC address, and the NIC used that space to store start up configuration settings, and mine were now set to values that made no sense and kept the NIC from working properly. Interestingly, XP ignored how the NIC was configured and reconfigured it as it wanted so that the device would work. But Linux, which worked fine on the computer for a month, didn't suspect that anything was wrong and tried to use my hardware as it was configured.
Once I understood this I was able to run :Linux again. It was a pain, I had to manually issue some commands every time I booted the CD, but I was able to work around the problem. Eventually Linux code was changed to not trust configuration settings and configure the NIC in the same way that Windows did and I no longer had to manually reconfigure the NIC on every boot.
I'm a cautious computer user. I have a decent hardware firewall and I also use a good software firewall (not one from Microsoft). So now I was in a position where the only malware that had ever done me harm was a Microsoft Windows Update. It wasn't too hard to figure out how to not experience another problem like this one. I've never accepted a software update from the malware provider who screwed me since then. I never will. I have had no malware experiences since then. So how I'll deal with the new update policy is to leave my Windows settings just as they are and not let Microsoft break anything else.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
My main box has been Linux. It is a lot more hassle to run Windows stuff under Linux, of course, but the writing was on the wall when Windows 10 seemed so sketchy. When I found out that the telemetry updates had been pushed MONTHS prior and then went live for 7 and 8, that was what made it clear to me that I must switch sooner: that was hugely disingenuous. I dual booted for awhile to get stuff switched over, and now my box's Microsoft code is DLLs for WINE.
What I COULD do, if I was inclined to keep a Windows partition around, is to grab just the security updates, and use those. That's probably what most slashdotters who give a fuck will do. I just don't give a fuck. I just can't ever keep up with the endless update debt of Windows, and fighting that seems almost impossible. It's this huge list of everchanging clusterfuck, and if I'm going to have to sysadmin my shit, it may as well be on an OS that isn't actively trying to fuck me over. I'd much rather prefer the accidental breakage of New Bullshit than the deliberate breakage of Known Hostile Entity.
At work, our Linux boxes obviously don't care about this, and our Windows boxes are Somebody Else's Problem, but those are Enterprise, so who cares anyway.
But I'll just use Fedora.
It is said, Windows users will put up with anything. Well, I won't, which is why I'm not a Windows user.
MS recently released an official update roll-up for win7 SP1, including all post SP1 updates up to May 2016 (I think)
They don't want to call it a SP because that would force them to increase the support deadline for the OS, which we know they don't want to do.
That in fact is the reason windows service packs have gone extinct, or at least are rebranded as other forms of cumulative updates.
Nothing for windows 8.x that I know of
What good would that be if SP2 includes all the telemetry patches?
As a counter for all the MS hate around here and all the Linux fans who think it will be taking over the world someday soon...
Windows 10 works just fine, I have it installed on over 20 computers, I've installed it on many more, it works very well...
I used Windows 7 the other day, it felt old all of a sudden, amazing when it felt so new just 7 years ago, but it is now out of date and the idea of staying on Win 7/8.1 is just not reasonable anymore...
Yes, you can use Linux if you want to, it has a purpose, but it won't be replacing Windows as the mass market desktop OS, well... ever...
Something else might, OS X could if Apple would licence it for use on other computers besides Macs, but really there isn't anything else for the mass market...
besides the fact they have basically killed-off the service pack concept, they don't want to put any more effort into 7 or 8.1 than is necessary for those versions to limp along (as cheaply as possible) until their respective EOL dates.
the windows update problems could be fixed without adding spying and other bullshit.
the updates themselves could also be moved to a 'cumulative' type approach or at least, one continually updating update for each major windows subcomponent, without adding spying and other bullshit.
but microsoft has already proven time and time again that they sneak shit into updates all the time, that they obfuscate updates, that they intentionally withhold crucial information about updates, that they intentionally change user-set preference settings, etc etc etc...
so microsoft being microsoft they will not be able to control themselves. they're already wet in the panties over all this. they WILL fuck up your windows 7 and 8.1s and add all kinds of crap you don't want, and in their greedy haste they'll break a lot of systems along the way... but you won't know it until it's too late and it's already there... and uninstallable.
Are Windows Updates even necessary? I've tried reviewing each and every Security update available via Windows Update, but I start zoning out when the patches involving random edge cases like spoofed printer drivers. When I re-install Windows 7, and then its updates, I do so out of emotional neuroticism, not a some measured security standpoint. I doubt I am any more secure after the several hour endeavor, though I appreciate Microsoft keeping all the packages available for me. I'll just turn it off.
Not that I plan to do this, but what if you black-listed all of MS's IPs except during updates? That way, telemetry wouldn't work unless they tunneled it through a partner... and... it's gone. Never mind.
I find it funny how a lot of Windows users try to justify their use of Windows. Many say they will stick to Win 7. Oh yeah, and what about when the OS is no longer supported? Many more say they just disable the updates. Okay, enjoy your Virus, Malware Etc. I'm sorry but your justifications aren't sane.
They don't want to switch to Linux because they claim they don't want to learn something new, yet they had to relearn Windows every time a new version was released. They spend hours trying to fix some Game issue on Windows but can't spend five minutes typing something into a Linux Terminal to resolve an issue.
The real Cancer here isn't Linux, it's Windows users who continue to rationalize their use of a terrible OS.
We've seen Microsoft's continuous stream of lies and incompetence... including a number of "bugs" and "mistakes" that appear deliberate.
I haven't seen this stream. Not that I doubt it, but I'd be interested reading a newspiece on deliberate bugs if you could point me to one.
Before w10, Win 7 updates ran effortlessly without issue.
After w10, after banning telemetry and the rape of my systems, update checks sent every system into a stress test hell with 50-100% cpu for hours. It became apparent what MS is doing to systems that block their bullshit.
Fuck m$.
...selling updated versions of Windows every few years, with no spying? I realise that Microsoft's 'user experience' team are a bunch of idiots, who strangely enough never publicly debate their user interface ideas and why they implemented them (Windows 8, 'The Ribbon', grey text on Office menus, 'flat' icons, etc.), but it would only take ONE person to improve their interface completely. But that person doesn't work for Microsoft.
I've tried to like Linux and I just don't. It's OK in a pinch but it's not the OS I can use day to day on a desktop. I always end up with some flaky issue that just never resolves itself and I don't want to take the time to mess with it. Windows has it's downsides for sure, but it supports the hardware I use and runs pretty stable. I have a desktop with Win 8.1 and notebook with Win 10. My second choice would be a Mac which I used for about 10 years before returning to Windows fully last year.
I understand those who think Linux is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But the fragmentation of distributions have totally messed up any chance of Linux winning over the average user. Unless you include OS's like Chrome OS and Android which are splintered versions customized by Google. I would welcome Apple allowing OS X to be properly installed on more hardware but I don't see that happening.
I already use Linux for highly sensitive stuff aka online banking. Because I don't trust Windows to handle my PINs and TANs. Firefox under Linux obviously works, or I could not do my online banking with Linux.
Next will be e-mail, here I need to look for a way to move my mailbox over (currently in SeaMonkey on Windows). Essentially, I need an alternative for the e-mail part of MozBackup that works with Linux.
I expect that Office stuff will be easy, as I'm already using Libre Office on Windows. Loading the same files into the Linux version should be no problem, right?
Games can stay on Windows for now, although I might experiment with WINE a bit more.
C - the footgun of programming languages
I run windows 7 because I use my PC for gaming. By the time win7 is no longer supported by the latest games I expect steamOS/linux to have caught up on gaming performance/compatibility and I can leave microsoft forever. I refuse to use win8.x or win10 and I highly doubt microsoft will ever make a good OS (like XP or 7) again. Until then...
From October I will be disabling windows update and manually downloading the monthly security-only updates from microsoft.
I will be using WSUS offline and PortableUpdate (for redundancy, they do the same thing) to download all currently available individual updates (minus telemetry and GWX updates) incase I need to format/reinstall win7 in the future. I tried Autopatcher but I find the interface slow and clunky, these two are better.
The Windows 10 forced upgrade GWX thing was a pain in the ass, but from my perspective the Windows Update train has long left the station.
We've been thrown a dozen or more updates every month for how many OS revisions via Windows updates? The summaries are at best links to a web of Microsoft KB articles, one of which might have some useful information about what the patch does.
Maybe some desktop operations teams at bigger companies with the manpower, time and resources to check and test all of them before rolling them out dig into each and every one to find out what they do.
But everyone else? It's just not even remotely practical to figure out what every single patch does, let alone try to understand the precedence angle on patches that require other patches first. There's just too many, the documentation is more or less written with the idea that nobody really reads it.
So you basically just suck it up, assume that the majority of the time the patches work, do what they're supposed to do and improve security.
Im stuck with windows for now as best as I can tell. I use my computer 75% of the time on autocad, the rest of the time I'm playing games on steam.
If there was a linux version that someone who just wants to click on icons and have things work without having to do anything else but click and have it run.
Im not interested in learning any command line crap, is there a way around this in linux?
I wouldn't recommend using XP on any kind of network, certainly not the internet. Even if you use a modern, secure browser it just doesn't have a lot of the security features that they rely on to protect you. It's good for old games and that's about it.
The reason XP has so many flaws is that it was designed to be compatible with single user operating systems, i.e. the Windows 9x line which itself was compatible with and built on top of DOS. To facilitate that they made the default account an administrator with full rights to do anything with no further prompts. The default on those systems is to trust everything, including network connections. They didn't want to break stuff. Even the firewall was only enabled when practically everyone was running a third party one anyway, and people still moaned about stuff written for Windows 98 not working.
There is a lot of hate Microsoft for, especially the Windows 10 forced upgrades, but the evidence strongly suggests that most of it is just incompetence.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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I'm not a lawyer, but I read something about a creative work being automatically copyrighted the moment you create it. If MS copies that work to its telemetry, wouldn't that be an actionable copyright violation? A good lawyer (I know, an oxymoron) might be all that's needed to stop MS, Android, etc. from slurping our private files.
This is just Microsoft's way of removing your ability to cherry pick which updates you will install, and which ones you won't.
This allows them to wrap one of those Windows 10 upgrade updates into a critical bug update so you have to choose.
Kinda like how Congress wraps their stupid little pet projects and other bullshit that would never pass muster in a million years into a general budget or defense budget bill.
Quote from the parent comment, about XP login: "... they made the default account an administrator with full rights to do anything with no further prompts."
Good point. Our experience is that all XP user accounts should be changed to limited user. An XP limited user has very limited rights.
Also, we use Windows XP with a software firewall and Malwarebytes Anti-Malware. We have only 16 Windows XP computers, so our experience is limited, but we aren't having problems, even though all those computers are connected to an internal network and the internet. (We have some valuable software that is not compatible with later versions of Windows.)
If you're running Windows 7 & 8.x and you have kept Microsoft's backported Win 10 monitoring updates out etc., be sure and backup your machines drives with a good imaging utility now - before we see what happens in October (so you have control and can restore).
If you're wanting to setup new Windows VM's, move to 8.x (supposedly security updates through 2023, at least before all this) or do fresh installs of 7, do them now (and make backup images) before October while you still have access to the hotfix's, remember Microsoft is going to gradually roll old hotfixes into the big update blobs and presumably they'll go away.
Long term though - the writing has been on the wall since 10 came out - Microsoft is a tyrant and you need to make a plan to move off of them if you don't want your PC (and all your data and communications on it) to be Microsoft's 8itch. Moving to a multiboot Linux and Windows setup - planning on a Windows VM in Linux for most Windows only needs with direct booting for games.
lolol.
This year is THE YEAR of linux on the desktop!
I installed linux.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Each new release gets more pervasive. Even my desktop running 8.1 (before I wiped) starts thrashing a minute or so after I step away from the desk. It is so disruptive that I literally can't sleep without using an anti-idle software to hit a dummy keystroke every 60 seconds to keep it from going insane. No amount of services management and registry tweaking gets the machine to do what I want it to do.
Microsoft is transforming our computers into rogue hardware that are no longer our tools but rather commercial content delivery platforms.
After seeing where 10 is headed, telemetry and all, I have decided that I've had enough and want to take back my CPU clock cycles and learn how to actually use them. For me, I have embarked on that journey by wiping my $1,600 desktop and installing Cent in order to study for the RHCSA/RHCE. The only acceptable form of Windows' return on my precious baby is as a VM. I have specifically chosen parts that are said to be compatible with PCI passthrough when I built her; we'll see how that goes.
On April 8, 2014, Microsoft ended support for Windows XP. The day after, Windows XP began having keyboard problems. Keys were stuck; it was not possible to login. That was acknowledged by Microsoft and mostly fixed, although all Windows operating systems seem to have that problem occasionally. I wasn't able to find an article about that, although I saved it somewhere.
One article about Microsoft's abuses and mismanagement: Windows at 30: Microsoft's biggest blunders (Nov 25, 2015).
Quotes:
"Microsoft has been its own worst enemy."
"... disastrous Windows ME..."
"Microsoft was found to have a monopoly in Windows, which isn't a crime. Microsoft used that monopoly to crush Netscape. Microsoft execs stupidly documented every step of the process in emails that ended up in court. None of the Microsoft senior executives came across well on the stand."
"Microsoft got off the hook in 2001 because the new Bush administration's DOJ didn't want to pursue the case." ("didn't want"???)
"With [IE6, Internet Explorer version 6], Microsoft lost an enormous amount of goodwill, as users began to understand that their computer was at risk because of a bad piece of Microsoft software."
"From my point of view, ever since IE6, Microsoft has blatantly put its own financial interests ahead of its customers' security, for about a decade and a half."
"Windows 8 and Windows RT: Killing the Windows brand"
"Why would anyone in their right mind name an operating system "Windows RT," knowing full well that it won't run Windows programs? Beavis, meet Butthead, and a billion-dollar write-off."
Hi,
I have a different perspective to a lot of people here. I work in a managed services environment, where my team that manage updates to client's servers- we support all current versions of Windows Server, RedHat 4-7, ESXi, Solaris and a smattering of other things too. OS patching is the bread and butter of what we do.
This is my take on how thing currently stand:
RedHat - it has loads of patches every month, by the time yum update has finished there is another patch released (or that is how it feels) and as a result we have to take steps to ensure the same patches are released on customers DEV/UAT & PROD systems. The biggest advantage is that they generally install quickly.
Windows - Windows has far less updates to apply. We generally only install the security updates, and again we have to take steps to ensure the same patches are installed on various customer environments, which is often easier as they are deployed once a month.... generally. But, sometimes the patches can be pulled, updated, and 0-day patches get released.
One of the big hurdles with Linux is around kernel patching- especially when you have version specific kernel modules, or things go missing on a kernel update.
Having 2 patches per month to install for Windows (OS security roll-up, NET security roll-up) should hopefully reduce the time to install significantly. The big downside is when something like the recent Group Policy bug fix (KB3163622) is included which may well have far reaching ramifications to production environments. We are talking to Microsoft about how we would deal with this kind of problem. Also, it should reduce space required as the overheads from having a single patch should be less than multiple.
For home users\small businesses, the vast majority of people do not install security patches at all- People complain about Windows 10 forcing, but I really feel that in a home environment it is for the best. If you do not install that critical security update because you a) do not care, and b) do not know how critical it is, are you running decent, up-to-date security software? Are you likely to know that something has infested your computer? When you find out and it is too late, you may have lost files, and worse had them stolen, etc. If that was to happen, they are of course going to blame Microsoft. How can they win?
Have not used a windows computer in over a decade, went to mac until this year, now I use nothing but linux. Tim Cook and company are on the way out of the computer business, Jobs died and now there is no innovation to be found on the apple campus. Switch to Linux!!! Windows & Mac suffer from the same thing, no innovation, lots of greed.
My family came over to mostly Linux 8 years ago, and totally to Linux 3 years ago. Mint Linux has made Linux-based desktop computing a valid option for my family. So,
We're going to laugh, and laugh, and laugh...
So I had messed around with various distributions of linux over they years (and frequently work on linux/unix/solaris systems at work) but had never taken the full plunge for my personal daily driver until a couple of months ago. I had take the Win10 upgrade from the win7 that had original shipped, and didn't have any issues with drivers/etc. but something kept bothering me. It started with not being able to control when updates occurred, I'd be in the middle of something and windows would decide that right now was when it had to update. There isn't much the torques me more than being interrupted when trying to hack out some code. Then I was trying to boot a newer linux distro off a thumb drive and found the startup process wasn't letting me get to the bios to choose the boot device, which I found out was due to the computer being in some sort of hibernate state even though I told windows to shut down. Apparently in order to improve boot times Win10 actually puts the system in a hibernate like state when you shut down, unless you hack the registry or use a special parm on a shutdown command.
TL;DR I got fed up with it and switched to Ubuntu-MATE, and replaced the hard drive with a SSD. Booting from cold no takes 15 seconds including entering the password.
Once you free yourself of your insecurities and paranoia, you realize you're not that special; how, or what windows does to update your PC suddenly becomes irrelevant.
You should abandon the steaming pile of Microsoft and use Linux. It's a very viable option! And I don't even want to hear "I'm a gamer". Buy a dang console, then. That's what you play games on. Buy a computer to do work on. Or......If every one of you "I only use Windows because of games..." people would move to another platform, believe me the games will follow you!
Microsoft Wants To Know How You'll Not Play Their Game.
Really, we are to announce how we'll avoid their new bundling technique? How we will get desired updates, and dismiss the unwanted ones?
Shhhh, don't fall for it! (EditorDavid shame on you).
You don't have to put up with Microsoft anymore. Switch to Linux I did in April and it's a perfectly viable alternative to Windows at this point. It's come a hell of a long way. And Steam on Linux is really a game changer (no pun intended).
OK, you put a Linux 2.0 kernel-based system on the internet. It still does what it used to do.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Don't want to be spied upon? Don't have a medical record, SS#, bank account, ccard or address. And never, ever drive down the street in a licensed vehicle and enter any national chain store. So yes, a homeless gypsy born using a midwife living in the Alaskan tundra has the ultimate data security.
Well, if it's anything like Windows 7 SP2 rollout a couple months ago, it'll probably suck. I still can't get the SP2 to install on anything. Even when trying to slipstream the package, it just won't install! It was a nice concept, but a concept that does not work.
As a Windows Sysadmin I'd be very interested in hearing what people think about this, as this is an article talking to people operating in a Windows environment and asking what they will do about this change.
And yet, most of what I am seeing are a bunch of assholes wasting my time telling me that they don't run a Windows environment. This isn't a poll. I don't care if you use Linux. I've used it and it does a lot of great things that don't have anything to do with operations in a business environment. Nothing touches Windows when is comes to directory services (Active Directory and Group Policy), file sharing (SMB) and file permissions (ACL). If you don't know what those are, you aren't part of this conversation and shouldn't be posting.
Given this, this transition to rollups isn't new. They are just trying to consolidate the update service. When I'm setting up a new Win 7 deployment, I'd much rather install a hand full of rollups in a few hours than have to wait a couple of days for the hundreds of individual updates. If you're worried about details, set up WSUS and analyze and test the rollups before you install them on production machines. That's what enterprises do. Only they currently have to do that with individual updates.
I've used Linux and Windows (and Unix, and OS/360 and IBSYS, etc.) for years, and have several clients on Windows.
The key issues for them are industry-specific software products at the core of their businesses which, without, they would have a significantly smaller number of business opportunities. These products are often poorly maintained, or not updated very often, and so require very strictly-configured Windows systems. Wine (or other attempts to emulate Windows) is not a solution; it merely introduces even more problems that need more frequent attention.
I've always argued for Windows over Apple, because, my reasoning was, Windows is an "open" ecosystem, while Apple is a "closed" system. Now that M$ is closing up its' systems, giving us less stability, and forcing updates we don't want or need (e.g., "telemetry," which is just a cover word for "spying"), that distinction is significantly eroded.
The "one-size fits all" approach to Windows maintenance leaves me scared, and unhappy.
We still need stable operating systems, delivered by honorable people trying to do their best in a constantly-moving field, and I fear that we (and include myself) have let M$ corrupt themselves and their products by flocking to them despite rampant, unmitigated bugs and defects accepted without rebellion. For instance: Look at the sad state of affairs in the inability of huge fractions of the Windows 7 and 8 customer populations who can't get Windows Update to run reliably
The market is ripe for a new commercial (not open-sourced) operating system that can become the new standard bearer, because I doubt Microsoft will reverse their trend; they're capitalizing on past success, and tempting future failure.
I would prefer an open-sourced solution (for security reasons), but time has proven that there is little incentive for improving and stabilizing products that are good, but not rewarded with huge income. While I appreciate the Linux movement, and the common source of kernels, there is too little invested in pre-release testing, because there's no money...and it's been so successful, M$ clearly decided, last year, with Windows 10, to follow that same lead. M$'s twist is to make revenue from the final product. So far, not one of my clients (and I) have found a need to move to Windows 10, largely because of Microsoft's changes in licensing agreement, and their abandonment of insistence on quality in their paid-for and delivered products.
Fortunately (for me), I've decided to retire at the end of this year, so I'll stick with my existing infrastructure at home 'til they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. My clientele are fearful, because the alternatives they've interviewed to take my place are generally unskilled, and barely able to change batteries in their laptops. So, part of the problem is the acceptance of these declining standards Microsoft USED to uphold, by the self-proclaimed "techies" who are too brainwashed to understand the problems they have to get around to keep business systems running, all the time.
Linux.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
Another stupid attempt to fret over nothing...
Working with HIPAA and EMR companies can be a nightmare. Each state has their own funding for 3rd party rehabilitation programs. Without those yearly grants those companies are literally out of business. The state dictates what the computer environment is; everything from Windows version and updates down to what version of IE & very specific (insecure) internet options settings so that their proprietary ActiveX applet will work. There is also State VPN software for some oddball EMR submissions (rarely used but required to be installed). There are in total 3 software programs required and at any time one might require a different environment than another, it's a nightmare. With such a specific operating environment it doesn't take much to break those workstations especially if an office worker decides to enable automatic updates. I'm a contractor not a full time employee, there is no full-time IT there. I cannot police their server, network, or machines daily.
I'm sad to report that the state lags behind by months or YEARS when it comes to updating proprietary EMR software. Some of my clients were required by the state to use IE7 when IE9 was current, IE9 when IE10 was current, and now IE10 as IE11 is current. This is something completely out of my clients hands. They are forced to run old software because the programmer for the state is a contracted bidder, not a full time employee. Yes it's deplorable but that's just the reality of being locked into the proprietary EMR software that the State dictates. There were only 2 software programs for a company to choose from and both were proprietary and had the same slow development cycle because it's just 1 coder doing all the work. Thankfully the State recently approved a new option, a company that accepts online submissions through a web browser (scary I know).
Windows 10 forced update cost my client $4000 in I.T. labor over the course of that week. Shouldn't I be happy for the work? Sure. However, getting paid to fix something per diem that should have never happened was a complete waste of money and I feel bad for them. They certainly never expected to wake up one morning and for whatever reason have PC's magically boot into Window 10. It completely broke a facilities ability to submit any medical records to the State for 2 days. It also happened on the day of a State submission deadline. The deadline was postponed because the state office was dealing with Windows 10 forced update internally too.
As for windows updates within EMR companies. They are now set to notify but not download. All employees have been instructed about the severity of the GWX campaign, how to mitigate it, and not to touch Windows updates. All KB's dealing with GWX have been removed and set to ignore. It's just a matter of time before employee rollover will cause a memo scheme to fail. Inevitably someone will change it to be like their home PC and set updates to automatic. That's all I can do as a per diem contractor in my scenario.
If your EMR company is using Windows 10 then your medical records are being leaked to Microsoft via Windows 10 with every keystroke. I can't speak for every state, in my state we're staying with Windows 7 for the time being. My state is doing everything they can to ensure your medical record are kept safe including from Microsoft (your EMR is none of their business). Windows 10 is keylogging all data and cannot be used as the operating system on a data submission workstation. They do have Windows 10 on some non-critical machines for office workers and secretaries that do not touch EMR in any fashion. All Windows 7 machines will reach EOL soon and will become progressively more insecure just like what happened to Windows XP. With little recourse other than legal action the states are being forced to stay on old operating systems. The OS that began its life as an office productivity OS, can no longer be used in offices that retain PII or EMR. That's the long version, sorry.
Should Microsoft be sued for keylogging and willfully jeopardizing the security of your private medical records?
If you work for an EMR company please contact your state health department and ask them what their policy is on Windows 10 regarding HIPAA compliance.
I think it is great! It's a PITA to explain to the director of Security why most PCs have all of the approved patches, but that one is missing 3, and that one is missing 5, and that one was imaged at a time where something happened and it didn't get all of the patches it was supposed to. Make the environment homogenous. If someone needs to be a special little snowflake, then you tell the director why you need to be different from the rest of the world who appear to be working just fine.
I plan to ignore them completely. And so long as mickeysoft ignores me completely, then we are all good. Mint is my friend. Mint is my partner. If I have a problem or concern, they help me out. They don't demand money, ever. They don't send people out to kick my doors down ever. They never demand per-seat licence fees, ever. They are a partner. If you have people who don't help, who demand money, who don't care, who send someone else from somewhere else instead of helping directly, then they aren't your partner, they are your master. Be enslaved if you want. Have fun with that. They are controlling your life, taking your money and giving you little for it. That you haven't left them yet isn't savvy, its stupid.
I tested out Windows 10(anniversary version) enterprise again which you can download with an account. I still don't like it. The desktop is half-ass. I don't understand how a large billion dollar company like MS can't come up with an intuitive design and as well as finish the job. Plus, it stills gives me eye strain and makes me sleepy just looking at it. There is Classic Shell but I don't want to add a program and waste resources just for the shell.
Gnome 2(the best), Kde 3,4,5(not a fan of flat color), xfce, lxde, mate ubuntu, etc... are all better designed and can be customized. It's not just the look. Windows 10 Configuration settings are all over the place and then you have 2 control panels, etc... I ran the updates and it still gets stuck on searching for updates and when it finishes it takes forever to download a single update(removal tool).
I'm gonna be stuck with Windows 7 and hopefully driver vendors will continue to release drivers way past 2020. I run Windows for the applications and nothing more. I hope in the future developers like adobe, autodesk, game companies release applications for linux sandboxed(something like wine i guess) to avoid gpl violations and such. Or there is bsd based operating systems.
Ubuntu 9 through 10 were my favorites because of the gnome 2. Ubuntu had to release that a abomination called unity and same goes for gnome foundation for it's gnome 3.
Oh please, who is running all of these exploits on desktop users that didn't run IE or download and execute shady stuff? What about the unreleased exploits kept by the government or just undiscovered ones for newer OSs? I hasn't even been that long since XP support ended and by these types of posts you would think XP gets pwned as soon as you plug in the ethernet cable.
It's ... 6 or 7 years since I sacked Windows, and I see no reason to switch back.
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Linux.
So original. Let's get a few more people to post "Linux" just in case the first few hundred times wasn't enough.
They've actually been doing this for a long time. Windows 2000 had what by all accounts was a SP5, just renamed a rollup.
The weird part is they set the terms so there's not really much reason for the shenanigans that I can see. They could just set a drop dead date regardless of SP.
Ill just deal with it because other operating systems do not fit my needs.
Not understanding the big deal here. They release individual patches historically that might/can/do fix things and might/can/do break things occasionally. Is there really any difference between installing NNN individual patches versus one rollup including the same content ? I think not.
What I wish MS and Apple would do is truly separate features from bugfixes from security patches. I almost certainly 'do' want to install security patches, but on 'my' timeframe for when 'I' can handle the ripple/risk. Yes amazingly I'm an adult. I'll make the call please.
Apple has done rollup patches forever. All those fan boys are ok with it. Not seeing the big deal here.
(that said - I'd REALLY like to not get nagged to death with updates to my Mac to support Raw format for cameras I don't own, iPhone models I won't purchase, etc. Please separate feature-update changes from true bug-fixes.)
From this link https://blogs.technet.microsof...
"Also from October 2016 onwards, Windows will release a single Security-only update. This update collects all of the security patches for that month into a single update. Unlike the Monthly Rollup, the Security-only update will only include new security patches that are released for that month. Individual patches will no longer be available. The Security-only update will be available to download and deploy from WSUS, SCCM, and the Microsoft Update Catalog. Windows Update will publish only the Monthly Rollup â" the Security-only update will not be published to Windows Update. The security-only update will allow enterprises to download as small of an update as possible while still maintaining more secure devices."
So I am only going to apply Security-Only Updates. Download it from the Microsoft Update Catalog page, which can only be used with Internet Explorer. This will only be good for a currently patched PC starting in October.
http://catalog.update.microsof...
I also noticed this wording.
"From October 2016 onwards, Windows will release a single Monthly Rollup that addresses both security issues and reliability issues in a single update."
So I doubt it will include All optional updates, just security and reliability updates.
From https://support.microsoft.com/... :
"Reduces the network connections on a Windows system that doesn't participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP)."