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Microsoft Has Broken Millions Of Webcams With Windows 10 Anniversary Update (thurrott.com)

The Anniversary Update which Microsoft rolled out to Windows 10 users earlier this month has broken millions of webcams, the company said on Friday. The problem is that after installing the update, the company added, Windows no longer allows USB webcams to use MJPEG or H264 encoding processes, and only supports YUY2 encoding. Microsoft says it introduced the changes to prevent an issue that was resulting in duplication of encoding the stream (poor performance). If you're facing the issue, there's a workaround (via Thurrott.com): Rafael has figured out a workaround that should hopefully stop the freezing issue; if you are comfortable tweaking the registry, make this change. HKLM\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\Windows Media Foundation\Platform, add DWORD "EnableFrameServerMode" and set to 0

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  1. It's the OS that just keeps on giving by HumanWiki · · Score: 5, Funny

    Headaches.

    1. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My wife's new notebook lost Miracast capability with the 8/12/16 Windows Security update. Miracast worked fine out of the box for several months, suddenly stopped for no apparent reason, checked update logs, 8/12/16 was the latest, unapplied it, Miracast is back. Windows 10 Home - no (easy) options to suppress automatic updates. Hurray for progress. They killed the Atom based Netbook / Nettop generation of PCs with updates to XP, too.

    2. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They fixed a performance issue by taking away a feature that millions of people use.

      If I did that at my job, I'd probably be fired.

    3. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by El+Cubano · · Score: 2

      I think Obi-Wan even spoke of this: "I felt a great disturbance in the [Windows], as if millions of [webcams] suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

      Obviously, he was speaking allegorically when he said those words, with the Force representing Windows and voices representing webcams. It makes sense if you think of it, with Gates and Balmer representing Palpatine and Vader having power over the dark side of the force (the new guy is Kylo-Ren), and the webcam is the modern "voice" we use to communicate. Yes, it all makes sense. Sadly, now it has come to pass.

    4. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by PRMan · · Score: 1

      My Atom-based netbook still works on Windows 10.

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      Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
    5. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by tsqr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Windows 10 Home - no (easy) options to suppress automatic updates.

      I haven't seen an update since I disabled the "Windows Update" service and set its "Action on failure" property to "No action". (note: not sure of the exact wording regarding action on failure, but you'll see it if you go to Computer Management, select Services, scroll down to Windows Update, right-click and select Properties; I believe it's in the right-most tab.)

    6. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1, Funny

      Linux is safer from spyware because it's a lottery whether it supports your wifi card or not. OS X is good but you can't buy a $500 Macbook

    7. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Pax681 · · Score: 2

      . Windows 10 Home - no (easy) options to suppress automatic updates. Hrray for progress. They killed the Atom based Netbook / Nettop generation of PCs with updates to XP, too.

      MS have a tool for that bud you can download from the ms linky.. just run it to show/hide updates

      To temporarily prevent the driver from being reinstalled until a new driver fix is available, a troubleshooter is available that provides a user interface to hide and show Windows updates and drivers for Windows 10.

      Microsoft windows update show hide utility

    8. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      lololol here's a joke about linux having shit hardware support on an article about windows pulling support for millions of webcams

    9. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Atom-based netbook still works on Windows 10.

      slowly I bet...

    10. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by fizzer06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I fired Microsoft a while back.

    11. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither Gates, nor Ballmer has been at the helm for the last two years meaning you're an credibly stupid person who needs to get out of the basement more.

    12. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palpatine and Vader haven't been at the helm for while now either....looks like "you're an credibly stupid".

    13. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Linux is fine if you buy it the same way that an Windows user buys their machine.

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    14. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by bmo · · Score: 2

      BDSM is obviously more fun than W10, isn't it?

      One would hope anyway.

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      BMO

    15. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You should go work for Mozilla. Their entire strategy is removing useful features and adding new ones nobody asked for.

    16. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by TroII · · Score: 5, Funny

      Linux: Free as in speech.
      BSD: Free as in beer.
      Windows 10: Free as in herpes.

    17. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My atom based netbook wouldn't even run XP tolerably well.

    18. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Atom-based netbook still works on Windows 10.

      slowly I bet...

      I have two atom-based netbook running windows 10 (got them for free)...

      The only Microsoft problem I had is during upgrading win7 to win10 it broke sleep mode (some silly intel IMEI crap driver that needed to get worked around), the anniversary update didn't make it any slower...

      Unfortunately, the *big* problem I have with the netbook is Google. The latest incarnations of chrome have gotten too memory hungry for the meager amount of DRAM on a netbook making it nearly unusable. Chrome used to be fine a few years ago, but recently it's been a memory hog (I suspect the process isolation stuff and

      Both machines are now win10, but just a couple weeks ago, one was win7 and one was win10 before the anniversary update and the latest chrome ran about the same on both (slow when you open multiple browsers, or a site with lots of crap). Since then, both have been updated to win10 anniversary updated and there's really not difference at all that I can notice.

    19. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't that tool require you to first install the broken or unwanted patch and then uninstall and hide it?

    20. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by oddware · · Score: 1

      Obvious troll is obvious

    21. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      My atom based netbook wouldn't even run XP tolerably well.

      They're not super speedy, but they were competitive with decent systems from a year or two before they came out - when outfitted with XP SP2... as SP2 got "security patches" over the years, they devolved into useless delay machines. If you re-install XP from the discs that came with the (disc-player-less) systems, they'll be restored to their 2006 performance levels.

    22. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Gates is Sidious, then Balmer is Maul and Nadella is Vader. Balmer certainly isn't Tyranus - not aristocratic or chivalrous enough for the part.

    23. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OS X is good but you can't buy a $500 Macbook

      Ebay.

    24. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and yet all my windows boxes work fine. 3 at the moment.

      Hm, and all my linux boxes. Come to think of it, I'm just good at managing computers. Maybe it's you ?

    25. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      So nothing of value was lost

    26. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Solandri · · Score: 1

      They killed the Atom based Netbook / Nettop generation of PCs with updates to XP, too.

      That was their standard embrace, extend, extinguish strategy. The first netbooks came with Linux running a GUI which let you browse the web, access your email, play movies, and play music. They sold better than expected so presented a possible threat to Windows' quasi-monopoly of the PC platform. So Microsoft created a cut-down version of Windows (7 Starter edition) which would run on netbooks. That got people to stop buying the Linux netbooks, in anticipation of buying one which could run Windows. That was the embrace step.

      Once Windows was standard on netbooks and Linux on netbooks was a distant memory, they began adding memory-hogging features to it. That was the extend step.

      Those features bloated the hardware requirements enough that in order to get decent Windows performance, people just started buying cheap laptops again instead of netbooks. Netbook sales began drying up. That was the extinguish step.

      Of course that meant the market demand for a low-cost simplified web/media device was no longer being fulfilled. Microsoft was counting on that demand languishing unfulfilled as a way to "encourage" people to buy more expensive laptops with a full copy of Windows. The iPad blindsided them the following year by satisfying that demand.

    27. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Nope, sorry, but bullshit. those wonderful Linux netbooks? Yeah they saw 400% hbigher returns than the ones with Windows so the second MSFT gave companies a decent price on XP and later Win 7? They quit selling the ones with the OS that was costing them money, simple as that.

      As for why netbooks died out? The companies decided they wanted more profit so they made them bigger, added more bells and whistles, and priced themselves out of the market, simple as that. When netbooks were $179-$299? I couldn't keep 'em in stock but by the end they were selling AMD duals for $450 and the Atoms for $349...who is gonna pay that when they could get a full size laptop with better performance for $279?

      Why Linux fans can't seem to grasp such a simple concept is frankly beyond me but the reason Linux doesn't go anywhere whether its installed by default or not (see Linux netbooks, the Walmart Linux desktops and laptops, the Dell Ubuntu laptops) is called the network effect with Windows literally being listed as an example of the network effect in action. Its really VERY simple, people buy computers to run specific programs not for the OS that is on it and those programs? They are written for Windows. Hell most users don't even know which version of windows they have, if they even know they have windows, all they know is they install their program and it works and if it doesn't? the PC is BROKEN and worthless, period.

      So if you want people to actually use your OS? Then you have to get all those proprietary vendors to support your OS although with the hatred of all things proprietary in Linux land I don't see that happening, hence why MSFT has put out 3 stinkers in a row and Linux hasn't gained squat. As long as their programs run? People would gladly take Windows over your OS, MSFT could put the Eye Of Sauron as the desktop wallpaper and they would not care, all they will care about is their programs work on windows, they don't on yours...end of story.

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    28. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they're pretty much identical.

    29. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just without the safe word.

    30. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people like two of those in our cultural vicinity, while in others there are all equally desirable.

    31. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the OS for masochists. Want to spend all of your time fighting your computer instead of getting stuff done? Install Windows 10.

    32. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Headaches.

      So far I have personally had two updates that killed audio drivers, two computers that had their ethernet drivers killed by updates - strangely enough three identical computers did not get killed by the same update. I've supported dozens of computers that had audio knocked out by updates.

      side note: the trick to getting the damn things back on line was bizzare to say the least, but I'll repeat it here in case it happens to someone else. First I took a USB-Ethernet adapter to try to get ethernet connectivity again. That didn't work. So I tried uninstalling the ethernet drivers for the on-board adapter. Then plugged the USB adapter back in and rebooted. That worked. So I rolled back then redid the updates (remember that three of my computers survived the same update that killed the other two) and as soon as I get home, It should be working again. I hope. But it is Windows ya know.

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    33. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its really VERY simple, people buy computers to run specific programs not for the OS that is on it and those programs? They are written for Windows.

      Getting less and less true by the day, that's why Chromebooks are successful.

    34. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... it got a safeword... Thing is that it does things over and over and you keep using that safeword... but then in the end it just ignores you and does it anyway..

    35. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that the original release of XP would run pretty well on a Pentium III with 256MB of ram, which was a pretty typical computer when XP came out. It really amazes me how much of a dog XP became later in life, where you really needed a dual core with 2GB before it would run acceptably.

    36. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The other way that Microsoft helped kill off the netbook was to make Windows 7 Starter very cheap, but in order to qualify the Netbook must not exceed certain specifications (otherwise, it was then considered a laptop by Microsoft and would require a more expensive Windows 7 Home license). That's why the Netbooks all had very similar specifications no matter who made them, and also why it seemed like they were stuck in a time warp where the hardware didn't seem to change at all for several years.

      Of course, the Linux netbooks didn't have these restrictions, but since the manufacturers idea of the Linux netbook was to take the Windows one but load Linux on it instead, they basically all ended up hobbled by the same restrictions as the Windows netbooks.

    37. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MIcrosoft is test bedding on its user base. If whatever changes do not work across all computers, wait for people to complain and post a patch. All issues get resolved eventually and people forget about it, but meanwhile it is all broken. By the time it ends, you are working a different way and they did not care. But something is lost in the process though.... I had sudden need for GIF animations and it was no, JPEG universe, for instance, so now I _have_ to use video instead. I think there is something very hostile behind it but you cannot complain, only wait, though I __AM__ becoming much less productive in this new systems than I was when things started, so much less productive.

    38. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Microsoft isn't special this way, Apple did the same thing to the original iPad, within 3 years of release it was worthless, thanks to software "upgrades."

    39. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      2005 I had an engineer ask me about "switching to Linux" - I explained that all the usual apps are available, except Autocad, but they're open source versions with slight variations in capability. He commented back "so, I'd have to learn new names for Word, Photoshop, and all that?" "Yep, that's how it's done." "Well, I guess that's more learning curve than I'm really ready for."

      Learning ANYTHING different is more learning curve than most people are ready for. They have to use Windows on at least some of their work tasks, so they just don't want to bother with having things work differently in other situations.

      It's not that Linux is better, or worse, it's different, that's enough to kill it.

    40. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      And as long as you never add any additional hardware to it.

    41. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Obvious fact is obvious. I have a WiFi dongle from TP Link. It works fine on Windows but not on Linux. I don't care whose fault it is, it means that my Linux experience worse than my Windows one.

    42. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft has been doing that since Windows 95. In fact, if you did that at your job and got fired, Microsoft would likely hire you on the spot. If Cakewalk ran stable on a Linux platform, I would never see another Windows machine - except at work where I'm expected to fix Microsoft's f'ups. Oh the irony.....

      To the slashdot folks - "Anonymous coward?" How about I pay for your plane ticket to Atlanta, meet you at my gym, break your arms in a Japanese Jiu-Jitsu "exhibition," then you can go home and tell all your propeller head friends (via your smartphone since you likely never converse with people face to face) who is the coward? Just because someone doesn't want to post their name and email for the world to see doesn't make them a coward. Where are YOUR names and emails posted, btw? Where are your pictures posted? Or can't the facial recognition software decipher your pimple outlines? A coward is one who calls the Geek Squad to fix their problems because they are too afraid to press a button. Those on these boards are attempting to learn and do for themselves. Hardly cowards. How disingenuous. ......

      You Are Posting As: Slashdot Coward (from your momma's basement via the XBox your creepy uncle got you for Christmas). Has he stopped touching you in your no-no places yet?

    43. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by oddware · · Score: 1

      Yeah sure, you may have a device that does not work, happens to all OS's.
      Are we ignoring the windows updates that are constantly resetting/removing software and settings, how about all the issues eith siunds cards and webcams after the annerversary update? oh and let's forget about all the hardware that now won't work with windows cause of a lack of driver signing...
      Please tell me how these are good for you as a user

    44. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by oddware · · Score: 1

      Sorry about spelling, on phone

    45. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      All my hardware works on Windows including the webcam even after the 1607 update. I can't say the same for my Linux install. I've never had a problem with Wi-Fi on Windows but it's been a constant thorn in my and many others sides for years and every time anyone mentions it it's denied and the person saying it gets abuse. Therefore in true Slashdot fashion since I have no problem with my webcam everyone who does is a liar, shill or moron.

    46. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by oddware · · Score: 1

      Like you and many other windows users, you have not experienced any issues with your hardware, which is fantastic news. keep doing exactly what is working for you.
      Like me and many other linux users, i have not experienced any issues with my hardware, which is also fantastic news
      The only problem i have is when windows users go on about drivers being the issue with using linux, it is not the minefield a lot of windows users believe it is.
      If your going to come up with a reason, at least use a legit one, like... say gaming, that's a very good reason to use windows, linux does not have the support from AAA's yet.
      I don't believe you are a shill, liar or moron from your response, just someone who honestly believes and trusts the tools they use every day.
      Use the right tools for the job, and if it doesn't to it right customise it!

    47. Re: It's the OS that just keeps on giving by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      It's a legit reason for me. I could also give you the logs for when I installed Chrome on my Linux install which was a ridiculous hassle. I'd love to have a decent alternative to Windows but Linux still isn't it. Ironically it was far easier to use and more reliable back in 1999.

    48. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by SumDog · · Score: 1

      I typically don't have issues with Windows updates. I have a Windows laptop I use for games, WebEx, Illustrator and a couple of other windows specific thing. Everything else I do on my Linux main box or my FreeBSD laptop.

      I'm pretty good ad admining and even I ran into this issue: http://penguindreams.org/blog/windows-10-update-kb3176493-all-my-drivers-disappeared/

      It's the first breaking Windows update I've had in a long time, and it was pretty bad. Losing USB audio/video is terrible if one of the only reasons you have a Windows laptop is for work/video conference (I work remotely).

      Microsoft's QA isn't as bad as Win95/98 era operating systems, or even Vista really, but Win 10 is nowhere near to par with previously releases. And with the forced upgrades, spy on everything by default, bullshit .. like I said. Only use it when I really need it.

    49. Re:It's the OS that just keeps on giving by SumDog · · Score: 1

      I had all my networking, audio and video devices disappear. It turned out an update that depended on the Anniversary Update installed first .. or that's the best I can figure. I manually installed the anniversary update and it worked.

      Details: http://penguindreams.org/blog/windows-10-update-kb3176493-all-my-drivers-disappeared/

  2. I don't think it's just webcams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thursday I did an emergency install of Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS on an old DELL laptop because Windows 10 suddenly couldn't manage to light up the built-in screen anymore.

  3. Title should read: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Microsoft Has Broken Millions of Computers With Windows 10 Anniversary Update"...

    1. Re:Title should read: by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Wait... at the same time as they refuse to remove b0rked PowerShell Aliases for 'Wget' and 'Curl' that mess up people who want to use those utilities, because that would be a "Breaking Change" ?

    2. Re:Title should read: by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Thank you, although arguably there is nothing wrong with the computers either.
      "Microsoft Has stopped Millions of Webcams from working With Windows 10 Anniversary Update"...
      But perhaps that is being too pedantic.

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  4. Thank you for standing up to EVIL PATENTS MS! by CajunArson · · Score: 2, Funny

    H.264? There are evil patents associated with that right?

    This just sounds like Microsoft is trying to act like a positive in the freedom dimension Linux distro by refusing to support that evil patenty thing and by refusing to support webcams, which we all know could be used as NSA backdoors and are therefore evil.

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    1. Re:Thank you for standing up to EVIL PATENTS MS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problem being solved is a "double conversion" problem
      eg raw video => h264 encoder -> USB bus -> h264 decoder -> YUV2 ->h264 encoder -> internet

      Now the correct way to fix this is to remove the h264 decoding step and subsquent colorspace conversion.

      In reality, if you have a USB 3 camera what you actually want is :
      raw video -> USB bus ->h264 encoder -> internet
      Which is in theory what this update should be doing.
      But unless you have a PCIe capture hardware, (The SN12ABE517, aka SA7160, which is the most popular hdmi/dvi/analog capture chip, which is a 250$ card), most video capture chips are just cheap $20 things, so the USB2 and USB3 cameras just have parts that are weaker cameras than what you'd find in a smartphone.

  5. Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No, seriously, thanks, developers. For always being "evergreen," for deciding that end users should no longer have the right to accept or refuse individual "upgrades," and for always being agile.

    I mean, I get it. I get that you don't want to support more than one platform or configuration at any given moment in time. It's not fun having to regression test against a billion third-party devices, and it's not cool to QA things that work fine on your machine - and in a DevOps world, you don't have to - but please, find someone in your office with a little grey in his beard, and ask them, just once, about writing software with the user's needs in mind, not just your manager's desire to cut support costs.

    It wasn't that long ago that software that worked, continued to work until the end user broke it by changing something. Now the users aren't breaking things -- but you are. Why?

    Would it seriously be too much to ask if, in exchange for no longer being able to receive technical support (because technically, a working configuration that isn't "the newest version" is unsupported in this brave new world Nadella's created for us), users be permitted to not change already-working configurations?

    1. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The nasty trick in this case is that they shouldn't have had to test against a zillion awful webcams to know that they had a problem.

      The USB Video Class Spec and Microsoft's own driver for it defines support for both uncompressed and compressed video output; and for programs to negotiate with a UVC device to change video parameters.

      The extra abstraction layer they added between the driver and the applications only supports one uncompressed format; and breaks if you try to negotiate for something different. That's not a weirdo edge case with somebody's ghastly rev. A product that never should have made it out the door; that's "break a substantial portion of a spec we used to support and hope everything turns out for the best". Not good.

    2. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      Huh?

    3. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      No, seriously, thanks, developers. For always being "evergreen," for deciding that end users should no longer have the right to accept or refuse individual "upgrades," and for always being agile.

      developers aren't the one's that decide shit like this, this has "management" written all over it.

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    4. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Not having customers is always the most convenient option. The snag is that it's the most expensive option also.

    5. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He forgot to add, "Trump 2016!" to the end of his babble.

    6. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Now the users aren't breaking things -- but you are. Why?

      This kind of answers itself. The less the customer is able to configure themselves, the less they will be able to cock up their configurations.

      And its a lot easier to tell a user "this feature is no longer supported" than it is to try and figure out why having a joystick plugged in starts gives them error 0x37728cf3 in Word, but only when they try to insert a jpg image that's between 283 and 424 pixels wide, which of course doesn't occur on the support staff's own PC even with the exact same model of joystick and driver version.

    7. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hogwash. Here's how things went down.

      Mgmt: There's an issue with duplication of encoding when using USB web cams. It needs to be fixed.

      Developer: Sure, not a problem. Let me look at the issue.

      10 minutes

      Developer: Problem solved!

      Mgmt: That was fast! How did you do it?

      Developer: I removed access to the parts causing the problem.

      Mgmt: Brilliant!

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    8. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh?

      He said "No, seriously, thanks, developers. For always being "evergreen," for deciding that end users should no longer have the right to accept or refuse individual "upgrades," and for always being agile.
      I mean, I get it. I get that you don't want to support more than one platform or configuration at any given moment in time. It's not fun having to regression test against a billion third-party devices, and it's not cool to QA things that work fine on your machine - and in a DevOps world, you don't have to - but please, find someone in your office with a little grey in his beard, and ask them, just once, about writing software with the user's needs in mind, not just your manager's desire to cut support costs.

      It wasn't that long ago that software that worked, continued to work until the end user broke it by changing something. Now the users aren't breaking things -- but you are. Why?

      Would it seriously be too much to ask if, in exchange for no longer being able to receive technical support (because technically, a working configuration that isn't "the newest version" is unsupported in this brave new world Nadella's created for us), users be permitted to not change already-working configurations?"

    9. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      Would it seriously be too much to ask ... a working configuration that isn't "the newest version"..., users be permitted to not change already-working configurations?

      I just switched to the Long-Term Servicing Branch (LTSB) version of Windows 10 and so far I like it. No App Store, no Cortana, no force-installed new features.

    10. Re: Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Id honestly like to see device manufacturers take more responsibility with this shit. If an ms change is going to break a webcam, that oem or reseller should have patches ready.

      Everyone expects hardware compatibility to be on ms shoulders for the life of the hardware, and thats just kind of stupid to me.

    11. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

      I just switched to the Long-Term Servicing Branch (LTSB) version of Windows 10 and so far I like it. No App Store, no Cortana, no force-installed new features.

      Not fair. That's an Enterprise thing. Regular folks don't have that option.

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    12. Re: Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by dfeifer · · Score: 1

      Personally I would have to think that the issue is that there aren't enough insiders that actually use webcams to complain about the issue before it is released. I am an insider, I HAVE a webcam, but I haven't used it in about 2 years. Our business just tends to use voice much more than video.

    13. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's own UVC driver doesn't work. All of my cameras ONLY work under 32-bit Windows.

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    14. Re: Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hardware was already compatible. It is Microsoft who broke that compatibility.

    15. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      It's progressive. Why wait for the user to break something when the developers can do it themselves?

    16. Re:Thanks, developers! So agile! Much evergreen! by SumDog · · Score: 1

      I think the issue had to do with driver signing. One of the updates fixes a kernel security issue with driver signing. But I think it was missing a dependency and so they got installed in the wrong order. Manually downloading and installing the missing updates fixes this issue. I suspect they either changing the singing key or location for the driver files.

  6. Good For Microsoft! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First post! And regarding webcams...good riddance. To me, this is a feature, not a bug.

  7. 35 Years of Rank Incompetence, And Counting... by ewhac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft says it introduced the changes to prevent an issue that was resulting in duplication of encoding the stream (poor performance).

    I see. Because squirting 720p or 1080p video as uncompressed YUYV over a USB2 link never results in performance problems...

    1. Re:35 Years of Rank Incompetence, And Counting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Real reason is that they want to reduce people from development and QA teams by removing features. Less people, better business performance and more bonuses to MBA team. Of course in long term there are less customers, but at that time the management team has already collected their bonuses and changed company to ruin.

    2. Re:35 Years of Rank Incompetence, And Counting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and it's win-win there as well, because they create an opportunity for growth for the next management team!

    3. Re:35 Years of Rank Incompetence, And Counting... by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Fewer people.

    4. Re:35 Years of Rank Incompetence, And Counting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, GP likely was referring to H1-Bs which many think of as lesser people.

    5. Re: 35 Years of Rank Incompetence, And Counting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, GP likely was referring to H1-Bs which many think of as lesser people

      I think legally they are counted as three fifths of a person.

    6. Re:35 Years of Rank Incompetence, And Counting... by laughing_badger · · Score: 1

      Good plan, I like it. Let's hope they go with that ;)

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    7. Re:35 Years of Rank Incompetence, And Counting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Squirting is only used for the Zune.

  8. Memo to the NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is a security update to prevent government spying on citizens.

    Memo to the NSA: You will have to try harder to spy on people through their webcams.

    1. Re:Memo to the NSA by arth1 · · Score: 1

      This is a security update to prevent government spying on citizens.

      Rather the opposite, I would think? The "update" allows multiple programs to access the webcam simultaneously, so if NSA accesses your webcam, you won't notice even if you call up Skype, and if you turn off Skype, NSAs app can continue to monitor you.

      Gaffer tape to the rescue.

    2. Re:Memo to the NSA by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      ...Gaffer tape to the rescue.

      Rollup package just came out that detects darkness on webcam and triggers mic monitoring.

      NSA: "See? See? We'll show you tech idiots how it's done!" /snort

  9. Now Only NSA Can Use Your Webcam by zenlessyank · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fun for everyone!!! Well, except you.

    1. Re:Now Only NSA Can Use Your Webcam by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Fun for everyone!!! Well, except you.

      Terrorists: "So don't discuss plans in front of open laptop with webcam. Thanks for the tip, Microsoft!"

  10. Re:Hey M$, just fucking BUY Slashdot already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As opposed to, say, Elon Musk? He had a virtual monopoly on stories here just a couple months ago

  11. My workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    So I had plenty of issues after Anniversary edition update. Sound issues, choppy scrolling again in Chrome. Finicky touchpad with jitter and freeze. I finally decided it was time to try a Linux distro. Yes, I have had plenty of issues with Linux distro's in the past. But this time not a one, and besides that my scanner that didn't work in Windows 10 now works in Ubuntu. Sorry but I think having to endure more problems every six months or so on yet another Windows 10 roll out is just too much.

    1. Re:My workaround by chipschap · · Score: 1

      It used to be that I would have to keep a Windows partition to use some hardware devices. Today, there is very, very little that doesn't run in Linux, mostly without the need to look for a manufacturer's driver as is the case on Windows. Of course, there are exceptions[1] and YMMV, but by and large I do better with Linux these days than with Windows, in terms of hardware compatibility and ease of use. And although updates may at times create backward incompatibility (not often), I have a choice about when and if to install an update.

      [1] In my installations, Nvidia graphics cards do require a special manufacturer's driver to work at their best (just like in Windows), I needed to install some software to run my scanner (just like in Windows), and I have one old USB wifi adapter that won't work at all. Everything else that I have (printers, webcams, etc.) requires zero extra effort.

    2. Re: My workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And i still cant play the games i want, or run photoshop. Or get a decent Office experience. Great for you, but desktop linux is useless for me.

    3. Re: My workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And i still cant play the games i want, or run photoshop. Or get a decent Office experience. Great for you, but desktop linux is useless for me.

      I don't know about your office experience, but I got Microsoft Office working with Wine without any effort using PlaysOnLinux.

    4. Re:My workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which wifi adapter? I have found that most can be made to work. There are only a few chipsets that don't have drivers anymore. Heck, even broadcom which used to be a PITA are now plug and play in Linux.

    5. Re: My workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steam for games? Got quite a large library for linux..
      http://store.steampowered.com/...

      And the Photoshop card again... How many people do you actually think have a legal copy of photoshop installed on their home-computer??
      For the ones that actually owns a license - feel free to use Wine.

      Office - For most home-users using LibreOffice or OpenOffice or one of the others is more than enough...
      The level home-users use it may be to write some recipes or maybe invitations for an event or similar...
      Main issue with OpenOffice/LibreOffice is the compatibility with MS Office of saves documents, not the actual functionality...

      And for the ones that actually require MS Office - feel free to use Wine, or maybe Office365 in their browser with the plugins available for Chrome..

  12. NSA by Macdude · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real reason, it was interfering with the NSA backdoor that watches you sleep.

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    1. Re:NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing they fixed it, them. I sleep better knowing someone is watching over me.

    2. Re:NSA by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      The real reason, it was interfering with the NSA backdoor that watches you sleep.

      What was that sleep pattern called that marks your terrorism probability percent jump to 100? REM? Yeah, that's it!

      I didn't just violate copyright, did I? Losing my Religion stuck in head now.. can't get.. it..out..

    3. Re:NSA by immortalcrab · · Score: 0

      NSA shills moded you as funny.

    4. Re:NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I do when I heard of the spying was deliberately have the camera facing my naked body so they can clearly see my massive hairy balls.
      I'm sure that will give them a lot of intelligence on the next terrorist attacks or cyberattacks.

  13. Microsoft broke my scanner once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called "driver hell". Windows... No drivers found for this device, see manufacturer. Manufacturer... No drivers for this version of Windows. Fix... Install Linux, no drivers needed to be installed.

    1. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by CannonballHead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Install Linux, no drivers needed to be installed

      Because the USB device didn't even get recognized at all? ;)

    2. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It was an old Memorex USB flatbed scanner. Windows wouldn't allow the old drivers and there were no new drivers, and driver compatibility mode or whatever it's called still wouldn't allow the drivers. No problem plugging anything into Linux. I haven't looked back since.

    3. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Because the USB device didn't even get recognized at all? ;)

      So you jest but compliant USB Video Class devices (read: webcams) have been supported since 2008. It's actually a standard much like you plug in any USB keyboard, mouse, pendrive etc. and it usually works. It's quite amazing that Microsoft managed to break such a widely adopted standard. I'm guess they're just setting the standard for what "supported lifetime" you'll have before Windows 10 refuses to run.

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    4. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      I actually had issues with an old flatbed scanner that only had drivers for XP, too. But a new scanner was in order anyways... all I did was documents, so I got one for that.

    5. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I don't suppose you've actually ever used one of these devices. It would not surprise me. Lemming trolls whine about Linux users being so cheap and backwards when that really describes themselves.

      A great number of webcams simply conform to the USB spec.

      No "special driver" required.

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    6. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Scanners have been one of the biggest rip offs in the Windows update game. I had a very good flatbed scanner I had inherited that worked as late as Windows 2000, but when I upgraded to XP, for some reason I couldn't get the drivers to work properly. I managed to get it working properly once, and when I rebooted, it wouldn't see the scanner any more. I came to the conclusion that the drivers themselves must be checking out the windows version, since the driver models between 2k and XP are all but identical.

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    7. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, the only way to get a Windows compatibility logo for your webcam is to implement the UVC (USB Video Class) spec, the exact one Linux implements. You can, and I told other people to do this, just go to a store and buy whatever has that Windows logo on it and know that'll work with your Linux system.

    8. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by green1 · · Score: 1

      I have to thank Microsoft for my scanner. Without them I probably wouldn't even have one.
      My parents had a very nice, high end scanner that they used for years until Windows stopped working with the driver, and the manufacturer stopped making drivers for new windows versions. Luckily it works great on my Linux box though with no driver's or setup required (after I installed the old SCSI card it came with... That worked straight out of the box too)
      Scanner is now about 20 years old and works better than many modern ones (and does legal paper too which is a rare feature)

    9. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by green1 · · Score: 1

      You say that, but on Windows even pen drives are a pain with pop-ups that say it's installing drivers, even if the same pen drive has been in the computer before on a different USB port. Drivers? For a pen drive? Really?

      One of the reasons I prefer Linux. Everything "just works".

    10. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by green1 · · Score: 1

      Of course you don't know if it will actually work with Windows....

    11. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have one that didn't work in Linux, I asked on Ubuntu forums and within a week someone posted how to get it working. All I had to do was open a file in gedit and add a line of text and it was up and running. No DLL hell or driver hell like Windows spews.

    12. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Back when I still used windows, pre-2010, I had a scanner (Canon Flatbed LiDE 20) that had worked perfectly under XP, but when I upgraded to 7 and went to 64 bit, no joy with the scanner.. However, since I had an Ubuntu Virtualbox VM on Windows, I'd fire up the VM, connect the scanner to the VM via the Virtualbox device pulldown and voila!! do my scanning in Linux... Bottom Line: devices generally work better in Linux... I feel another "FUCK MICROSOFT" wave coming on.....
       

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    13. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      More people need to be made aware of VueScan. Cross platform, acceptable price, unbeatable scanner support. My father has a SCSI Minolta Dimage with APS support. Drivers up to Windows 2000, XP worked with a bit of hacking. SANE doesn't want to know about it.

      VueScan? Just works.

      I have no stake in this. I am just a happy customer.

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    14. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got a 16 year old USB flatbed Cannon scanner which is perfectly fine for my limited requirements. Stopped working on Windows Vista (supported on XP). Still working fine on Linux (and will probably carry on working till after I'm dead!)

    15. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you scanning cannons?

    16. Re:Microsoft broke my scanner once... by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      I can't quite tell what you're asking. Are you asking if I've used a Linux distro? Yes... a significant portion of my work career involved using (and sys admin stuff, too) SLES 9.x+ and RHEL 4.x+, in addition to AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, and Windows. I've personally run OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Mint, Elementary, and Fedora. I currently have a Elementary on a laptop (personal use), in a VM (contract work), RHEL 6 and 7 in VMs (full time job), and use a MBP for work. Which I wish ran a Linux distro, but I can't. :)

      As for the devices themselves ... most of the unrecognized issues I've run into, to be fair, are with wireless network dongles, and it was a while ago. I was joking. I haven't had trouble lately, though I didn't even try to get my Fujitsu ScanSnap s1300i (according to link, it's technically possible, but looks like too much of a pain).

      But, due to some other software restrictions, I really haven't used Linux as my primary home computer for a while, so I haven't been exposed to trying to use too many USB devices lately.

      In reality, I would guess that Linux is a better bet with older USB stuff that conformed to standards, Windows with newer (but Linux will probably work, too, either out of the box or with some effort).

      Oh, in the past I'd also run into annoying issues with USB drives and caching if you forget to eject, which I never ran into with Windows (though I've heard it's theoretically possible to encounter it).

  14. Broke several laptop models too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Emergency BIOS patches from Dell! What fun!

  15. In Microsoft We Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They know what's best for us. The more we struggle, the less we'll be happy. Besides, who needs a webcam when I can Snapchat my breakfast from my smartphone?

    -Sent from my Bing-enabled Edge browser that pays me money each time I look at kittens /sarcasm

    Anyone remember that legendary video called "Every OS Sucks" by "Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie?" Yeah, it's never been truer.

  16. Rafael has figured out a workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How about Microsoft be held accountable for recklessly and possibly unlawfully disabling functionality in personal computers that people paid for and have a right to use?

    When are these criminal enterprises EVER going to be held accountable for their crimes?

    1. Re:Rafael has figured out a workaround by nnull · · Score: 2

      I'm actually surprised no one sued them yet for the whole Windows 10 fiasco. Especially in the manufacturing world where a lot of machines are running some version of Windows for their HMI, and a lot of them had the Windows 10 upgrade popup (Bypassing every little trick to prevent from going to desktop) and a lot of operators clicked yes on it. It's pretty neat seeing multimillion dollar machines go down left and right. The last one I've seen go down was a Makino CNC machine at a machine shop. The best one was a multi million dollar bottling line go down.

      There has been a lot of downtime because of this and that's a lot of money.

    2. Re:Rafael has figured out a workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Someone did, and won: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3088755/windows/a-lawsuit-over-an-unwanted-windows-10-upgrade-just-cost-microsoft-10000.html

      Of course $10,000 is nothing to Microsoft. They need to be fined billions.

    3. Re:Rafael has figured out a workaround by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 1

      There has been at least one lawsuit filed, and the courts did rule in the plaintiff's favor. I think the payout was to be 10K and was for the losses related to an upgrade that occurred without the lady's involvement. I think it was filed in California.

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  17. You got it backwards. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was a compatibility update that makes it easier for the NSA to spy through people's webcams.

    1. Re:You got it backwards. by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      This was a compatibility update that makes it easier for the NSA to spy through people's webcams.

      No it wasn't! It wasn't wasn't! Psh if you'd only read the rollup description you would see that it was a "performance enhancement". Ghawd! :>

  18. Re:Hey M$, just fucking BUY Slashdot already. by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

    And then he got sued by Parker Brothers.

  19. Registry fix.... for how long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That's a strange registry error you have there, let me fix it for you... and prevent it from working ever again" -a future KB update.

  20. Roll it back by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

    I rolled it back for multiple reasons. The webcam was completely unrelated. NordVPN client wouldn't connect, and HFS partition disappeared. I liked half of the new features, but the other half were broken things. I can't work with an update like that when I'm not at home for half a year. Luckily it rolled back easily.

    1. Re:Roll it back by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      I rolled it back for multiple reasons. The webcam was completely unrelated. NordVPN client wouldn't connect, and HFS partition disappeared. I liked half of the new features, but the other half were broken things. I can't work with an update like that when I'm not at home for half a year. Luckily it rolled back easily.

      Rolling Back Rollups... I declare this trademarked at the time of posting this comment! /snark

  21. Anniversary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would be a suitable anniversary gift from Microsoft than breaking your system.

    1. Re:Anniversary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh oh, even thinking about Microsoft made me do silly things. Here is the missing word (please add it somewhere along the text): more.

      Best regards,
      The same anonymous coward

  22. Not to remove a performance issue. by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There was no performance issue - the problem was that multiple applications could not access the camera at once, and it was important to fix this.
    Quoting:
    " It was important for us to enable concurrent camera access, so Windows Hello, Microsoft Hololens and other products and features could reliably assume that the camera would be available at any given time, regardless of what other applications may be accessing it. "

    https://social.msdn.microsoft....

    Which is of great comfort to the owners of medical imagers that are now junk unless someone catches and rolls back the anniversary edition. There is claimed to be a fix in the pipe.

    1. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Scutter · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Which is of great comfort to the owners of medical imagers that are now junk unless someone catches and rolls back the anniversary edition. There is claimed to be a fix in the pipe.

      If you're running a medical imager and you're auto-installing patches willy-nilly without thoroughly testing them, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what OS you're running, that's just negligent.

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    2. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      I am not sure this feature "enforcing non-exclusive access to the camera" even makes ANY sense in any use case you can think of.

      Although it sounds like a great way to spy on people by misusing the camera hardware on the sly when the user thinks it's being used for something else.

      Still not sure why such access would require the sort of sabotage that Microsoft has imposed upon it's users.

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    3. Re: Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where have you been for the last 6 months. Unless you are running Enterprise winlose you cannot refuse a patch. A small office of 10-15 machines will not be able to afford enterprise licenses.

      Tldr: get out of your mom's basement (or closet) and join us in the real world.

    4. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure every Mom and Pop private medical office can afford to take your advice and spend 500 hours testing a windows update every month to ensure it is compatible with the 20 year old medical machine they're still paying off.

    5. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by mspohr · · Score: 1

      The reality is that most medical IT "experts" are clueless. I mean, why would they be running Windows in the first place?
      Of course they just auto-update everything... much easier than thinking and testing.

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    6. Re: Not to remove a performance issue. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points right now, you'd be getting one.

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    7. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by immortalcrab · · Score: 0

      I understand your rage, but medical imagers can't just be updated like a porn browsing laptop (that is arbitrarily).

    8. Re: Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had mod points right now, you'd be getting one.

      Then you are just as much of a fucking moron as he is. Both of you are idiots. Learn on how manage your own patches and stop being such a tool. If you can't even setup a little machine to run WSUS and be an actual admin, then I hope to hell that you never are put into a position where competence over your environment is needed. You are obviously a complete simpleton.

    9. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although it sounds like a great way to spy on people by misusing the camera hardware on the sly when the user thinks it's being used for something else.

      And that is exactly the point. Windows 10 has been designed from the ground up as a surveillance platform. Only difference is Microsoft is getting the data instead of the NSA (but I'll be they get a copy too, for a reasonable subscription fee).

    10. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      And that is exactly the point. Windows 10 has been designed from the ground up as a surveillance platform

      As far as I'm concerned, its the first iteration of what George Orwell in 1984 referred to as a "telescreen".. I gave up using MS products when I retired in 2010, and I refer to Windows 10 now as "Windows NSA Edition", or more simply, a CTD (Computer-Transmitted Disease).. I pity the millions who still use it...

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    11. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A medical imaging device running an OS newer than Windows 7?

      BWAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! ... yeah, I needed a good laugh.

    12. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      There are various classes of imagers. One used in sports medicine was referenced in the thread as having issues. it relies on high frames per second video in order to get images of motion to analyse.

    13. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      " the problem was that multiple applications could not access the camera at once"

      So, they want to implement a shitty version of ManyCam, SplitCamera, or X-Split?

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    14. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must allow NSA spyware to access the camera even when some other app might be hogging it. Simple.

    15. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Other products and features

      In other words, they wanted to make sure they could spy on you any time they wanted.

      Screw them. Linux / xfce FTW

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    16. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Which is of great comfort to the owners of medical imagers

      If medical imagers were producing compressed video instead of displaying an uncompressed stream then they deserve their rightful place in the bin.

    17. Re: Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... says the guy who actually has an IT budget and staff.

    18. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      Medical imagers vary. Some rely on interpretation of fine details in images, and that one pixel matters.
      In this case, compressed images are a terrible idea.
      In other cases, you are taking high frame-rate video, and analysing gait, or how a ball is hit, or ...
      For this case, compressed video is just fine, but dropping from compressed to uncompressed, and getting 1/6th the frame-rate is utterly useless.

    19. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The medical IT "experts" will just conclude the webcam is faulty and will recommend buying another machine. Hence additional sales for Win10.

    20. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your running a medical imager, your probably only running one medical imager. Testing is a bit of a problem.

      But not having a solid rollback plan for the control pc is still not excusable. Disk image software is cheap.

    21. Re: Not to remove a performance issue. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I am with the professional edition.

      I have deferred updates on and windows 8 style warnings and times for updates. I do not have this problem.

      The user with the medical equipment on a home edition is an idiot and is breaking the law as you need to pay for FDA certification. He should still be using XP service pack 2 or something for the scanners

      Let the office machines run on a modern OS

    22. Re: Not to remove a performance issue. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly this.

      It's kind of crazy for equipment like this to run Windows in the first place, as I've dealt with stuff like this and it's pretty clear that Microsoft doesn't care one bit about niche use cases like this. Probably the best solution would be not allow the PC on the network at all so it can't patch itself, though I'm not convinced that Windows 10 won't complain after a while if it's can't call home.

      Fun fact: Many of those equipment manufacturers are technically in violation of Microsoft's licensing one way or another, assuming the computer loaded with Windows was provided as part of the purchase of the equipment. Like I say, Microsoft doesn't seem to care.

    23. Re:Not to remove a performance issue. by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > If medical imagers were producing compressed video instead of displaying
      > an uncompressed stream then they deserve their rightful place in the bin.

      Have you heard of this thing called "lossless video compression" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ?

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  23. What is that? by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    What is that you have there?
    It's my computer with windows 10 installed.
    So a expensive space heater? ... yes.

    1. Re:What is that? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      What is that you have there?
      It's my computer with windows 10 installed.
      So a expensive space heater? ... yes.

      Inefficient! At least have it doing some distributed processing or something to make it heat a square foot. /snark

  24. Ulimate Update [SOLVED] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 10 headaches?
    Solution (permanent): one Linux ISO, one install process. Done.

  25. systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    At least Windows 10 doesn't have systemd yet.

    (It's probably coming).

  26. Linux Feature Compatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now you are saying that Windows as well as Linux don't support my 1990s-2000s era webcam?

    Nice to see Windows 10 finally catching up to the Linux desktop in hardware support.

    1. Re:Linux Feature Compatible by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      90s? Were you even alive in the 90s? A camera that old would probably have something like a parallel port or rs-232 port.

      Which reminds me... did they ever stop putting those warnings for Windows on USB devices? "don't plug it in before you install the driver"

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    2. Re:Linux Feature Compatible by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      1991 - the first webcam - operated until 2001
      1994 - the first commercial webcam - Logitech's QuickCam
      1996 - USB makes its debut

      Judging by your user ID I guess you were alive in the 1990s, you just apparently werent aware in the 1990s.

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    3. Re:Linux Feature Compatible by sexconker · · Score: 2

      He bought that account. A few years back a lot of the low UID account holders sold their accounts off. For some reason people bought them!

    4. Re:Linux Feature Compatible by sjames · · Score: 1

      Actually, Linux had better support for a number of webcams in the '90s. Practically any cam with a BT848 on the interface card worked great. In many cases, the same hardware on Windows was crashy or had a poor framerate due to crappy drivers.

    5. Re:Linux Feature Compatible by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Webcams were pretty niche until USB finally took off which was in 1998. I've got a few very old webcams. None of them work in Windows after XP, some didn't make it past 98/ME. Linux support is spotty. Several of them used propriety image compression techniques which were never fully reverse-engineered, so while Linux can see them, you can't really pull an image off of them, or if you can only a few low resolution modes work. The only one that really works in Linux as well as it did in Windows is an old Logitech Quickcam, though the last time I had it plugged in the plastic lens had clouded to the point where the image was almost useless. To be honest, I'm not even sure why I still have all these webcams.

  27. QA Layoffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because software QA and validation is for chumps!

    This is exactly why, when setting up a new computer for my grandma, I shelled out for a Windows 10 Enterprise with CBB servicing (Current Branch for Business). Sure, I've had to eat Ramen for the last month, but it's been totally worth it because my grandma's webcam is still working fine.

    Be right back, she can't get Pogo games working again.

  28. DWORD by variable26 · · Score: 0

    Only a DWORD would say "Microsoft has broken a million..." Really!? Did Apple break a million headphones last month? Fanboism

  29. Grandma don't do no registries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another reason why Windows is not ready for the desktop.

    Grandma runs desktop Linux just fine.

    1. Re:Grandma don't do no registries by chipschap · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Another reason why Windows is not ready for the desktop.

      Grandma runs desktop Linux just fine.

      This is rather insightful. I may be a Linux fan but there was a time when I would have readily admitted Grandma would have an easier time with Windows than with Linux (assuming someone competently preinstalled one or the other for her use). This surely started to change with the unusability of Windows 8 and now, with all the Windows 10 issues, I would not like to be on the receiving end of Grandma's support calls.

      My wife (who is a grandma, by the way) uses a Linux distro that I installed and maintain for her (maintenance means installing updates once in a while). She neither knows nor cares that it's Linux and not Windows. It "just works" for her rather basic needs, and if she some day requires more advanced features, they're all available.

    2. Re:Grandma don't do no registries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After Vista borked on her laptop and no disc or any way to repair/install anything, I bit the bullet and installed Ubuntu on all PCs in the house.

      Aside from the expected few issues with drivers, Java et.al. wifey now never wants a Windows machine, ever.
      Linux just doesn't try to interfere and bother you with notifications all the time, Chrome can play Netflix, Steam for games. The important stuff works.
      I might want to support Linux on ideological issues, but wifey actually just want something that works better and less annoying, so chooses Linux now.

    3. Re:Grandma don't do no registries by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      This surely started to change with the unusability of Windows 8

      You need to view that from a different lens. The main usability issue of Windows 8 was that it broke what we were used to, hid all of the configuration features that we like, and creating jarring discontinuities in multitasking workflows that we commonly use.

      We being geeks found it a step backwards.
      Grandma on the other hand likely had no issue what so ever. Windows 8 was really easy for someone to pick up and use. However it was a jarring screwup for the power user.

    4. Re:Grandma don't do no registries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My grandma couldn't handle anything past Windows 3.1. It would pop up perplexing messages all the time. And it was painful to get the support call as she read off the hex code from a Vista error. She was perfectly happy in DOS/3.1. She was productive and could understand what the hell was going on.

    5. Re:Grandma don't do no registries by Average · · Score: 1

      Grandma on the other hand likely had no issue what so ever. Windows 8 was really easy for someone to pick up and use. However it was a jarring screwup for the power user.

      My take: Windows 8 (esp. pre-8.1) was, arugably, a decent UI for a total blank slate user. It was a mildly annoying UI for a hard-core power user. It was, however, a complete and total disaster for the hundreds of secretaries and teachers I was dealing with at the time who were just barely computer savvy, but had at that point accumulated 15-20 years of hard-earned "Start Menu like this, click this/double-click that, files work this way" folk wisdom, and Win8 broke rather a lot of that.

    6. Re:Grandma don't do no registries by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. Windows 8 seemed to assume that you had been using Windows long enough to know that to launch a program you had to click on the bottom left of the screen [on the start button], and to search for a program you could start typing [in the search box], and thot you would still know to do that even with the visual elements removed. If you weren't familiar with Windows, you'd be hopelessly lost*. As an experienced Windows user I actually didn't mind the Windows 8 interface as much as a lot of people did, but it certainly seemed like it assumed you were coming into it with a bit of Windows tribal knowledge.

      *One of my favorite things to do during the initial Windows 8 preview releases was to challenge experienced Windows users to open Notepad without using the keyboard. The results were usually entertaining and sometimes hilarious.

    7. Re:Grandma don't do no registries by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If you weren't familiar with Windows, you'd be hopelessly lost*

      With only 4 clickable elements on the screen on a fresh install "hopeless" is not the word I'd use. "Mildly inconvenienced" is a far better one. Seriously give the user a real problem, like find out how to close a metro app by sliding in the top left of the screen and dragging an app down and waiting for it to flip over. Counter intuitive as shit!

      By comparison most users of a laptop / tablet device with a touch screen will find themselves opening the start many accidentally due to shitty placement of the windows button (even on premier devices like the Surface 3 Pro).

      *One of my favorite things to do during the initial Windows 8 preview releases was to challenge experienced Windows users to open Notepad without using the keyboard.

      Yes get a user to start some program that is rarely used by general users and actively hidden by default due to being replaced with alternate note taking applications in windows. What a laugh.
      Now a more realistic use case: You just installed Office, how do you start it? Oh look it's highlighted as a new app in the start menu in a different colour showing you exactly where to click.

      Don't be convoluted, and don't tell grandma to use notepad or she may get confused and stop feeding you delicious sweets.

    8. Re:Grandma don't do no registries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a pointless challenge.

  30. And Yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some USB television tuners seems to works just fine, spurting h264 signals directly to the hard drives..

  31. All Your Old Shit is Borked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can count on this happening all the time now. Microsoft removing stuff that makes your hardware work or changing something so that you require a new driver, but the manufacturer will never produce a driver because your product is already more than two months old.

    Windows 10 is a train-wreck in slow motion. When will it end?

  32. That explains it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought I noticed fewer people on chaturbate.com than usual...

  33. It's a security update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to prevent the NSA from spying on people.

  34. Rollups and... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    ...so this is now how the individual Windows updates come out now? Public bulletins with users mentioning fast fixes... hmm.. there's another OS that did that in the past and MS said that it was a horrid OS with no concern for security or usability... Lin... Line.... L-something.

    Psh.

    1. Re:Rollups and... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of Linux... After seeing all of the broken updates, privacy issues, force-feeding Windows 10, whether you wanted it or not, I couldn't be happier I broke the "MS habit" back when I retired in 2010... Geez, I feel sorry for those who *MUST* use Windows, for whatever reason.... Soooo glad its not *me*.....

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  35. My Win10 horror story by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Older versions of Windows have a "Favorites" sub-menu on the left side of File Explorer. When I had to convert to Windows 10 at work, the "Favorites" links were automatically migrated into something called the "Quick Access" (QA) menu. So far so good: it converted old stuff into its new convention.

    However, "Favorites" used alias names, similar to naming a Windows Shortcut. But QA doesn't (at least not by default). Instead, QA uses the last actual folder name in the path as the displayed title.

    I thought QA simply rudely renamed my Favorites titles, so I right-clicked on them to "fix" the titles. Turns out I wasn't looking at an alias, but the live folder name.

    The result is I inadvertently renamed network folders used by hundreds of employees! Of course trouble-tickets started popping up like pop-corn. I put two and two together, and quickly renamed them back, and then went for a walk to dry off the sweat.

    1. Re:My Win10 horror story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! Excellent story!

    2. Re:My Win10 horror story by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the saturday morning laugh.

    3. Re:My Win10 horror story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true of Windows 7 as well... if you pin a network location to the task bar, it shows up under the Windows Explorer icon (via right click). Renaming the shortcut renames the folder.

    4. Re:My Win10 horror story by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      We have all done things like this. It makes you a better troubleshooter in the end. Don't let this get you down.

  36. Not that tragic by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Hacker pervs and NSA hardest hit!

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  37. Windows 10 just sux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets face facts Windows 10 just Sux for everyone, but for IT it is making us nutz when clueless managers insist we upgrade to it. Like walking a mine field blindfolded in 10'x10' cement shoes.

  38. I can't go back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to pre-recorded porn how am i going to rub one out now.

  39. Use case starvation by mveloso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The basic problem was that the developers at Microsoft don't understand who uses their OS and why. They had 5 use cases when they were developing their new feature, but forgot about the 50,000 use cases that already exist, unknown to the development staff.

    "We changed an API's behavior because of this new feature that nobody cares about, which broke almost every imaging device attached to the OS" reeks of poor engineering management.

    1. Re:Use case starvation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We changed an API's behavior because of this new feature that nobody cares about, which broke almost every imaging device attached to the OS" reeks of poor engineering management.

      Sounds like SOP at Microsoft.

    2. Re:Use case starvation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The basic problem was that the developers at Microsoft don't understand who uses their OS and why. They had 5 use cases when they were developing their new feature, but forgot about the 50,000 use cases that already exist, unknown to the development staff.

      "We changed an API's behavior because of this new feature that nobody cares about, which broke almost every imaging device attached to the OS" reeks of poor engineering management.

      Wasn't telemetry supposed to help avoid this?

    3. Re:Use case starvation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "We changed an API's behavior because of this new feature that nobody cares about, which broke almost every imaging device attached to the OS" reeks of poor engineering management.

      I like Linus's guidance on this, the first rule of kernel maintenance: YOU DO NOT BREAK USER SPACE!

    4. Re:Use case starvation by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      As someone else pointed out it wasn't the use case it broke. It was an entire spec.

      Features are irrelevant if you can't maintain backwards compatibility with a spec that currently in use by the devices you're targeting.

    5. Re:Use case starvation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, those use cases would and should have been caught by the Quality Assurance department.

      Oh wait, they got fired.

      The only thing MS has for them is their backwards compatibility. They threw the baby out with the bathwater with Windows 10.

    6. Re:Use case starvation by chihowa · · Score: 1

      It's the systemd model. The exchange between Linux and Windows goes both ways now! Progress!!

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  40. Nothing has changed at Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recently or since they were founded. Consistency is key ðY

  41. ...and a Møøse bit my Sister once... by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...

    We apologise for the fault in this comment. Those responsible have been sacked.

    Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti...

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  42. Time to switch jobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like all those girls doing webcam shows at home will have to find some legitimate employment.

    1. Re:Time to switch jobs... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Oh, so that is why they broke it - they were thinking of the children.

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    2. Re:Time to switch jobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After their webcams were destroyed, girls would just go to the streets and do it live instead of virtual.

  43. If they don't make money from you, who are they by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they don't make money from you, who are they really supporting?

  44. Just recompile the kernel by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft is getting like Gentoo

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  45. ROFLMFAO just when you think MS can't top the last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like a race between who can update themselves out of business first, MS or Apple. Who wins? Linux!

  46. I'm calling it now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YUY2

    allows for government spying through a backdoor

    and was paid for handsomely by Homeland

  47. Seriously.... by God+of+Lemmings · · Score: 1

    This new CEO of Microsoft better wise up pretty quick about how to run that company, because they way they have been handling their OS as of late is like begging people to sue them.

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    1. Re:Seriously.... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      How many people sued Coca-Cola after they changed the formula to New Coke? How many people sued McDonalds for changing their french fries? How many people sued Wal-Mart for offering self checkout? I don't think that your scenario is likely.

  48. No really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your comment made me laugh at first, then I read someone else further down https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9547305&cid=52735271

    the problem was that multiple applications could not access the camera at once, and it was important to fix this.

    but you're right, NSA couldn't spy on you if your camera was previously in use.

  49. Another reason by Trogre · · Score: 2

    And this is why cumulative, mandatory, updates are a BAD THING.

    It's like they're not even trying now to hide it anymore. They have pretty much openly declared themselves to be hostile to users with a lot of forced updates that benefit not the user but themselves. But MS fanboys will still lap it up and somehow say it's a good thing.

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    1. Re:Another reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Windows users will put up with *anything*.

  50. dissabling the masses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft, or going from enabling the masses to do things with their pc's to dissabling them all as much as possible. Real progress toward the stone age again.

  51. Sounds like a feature to me! by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

    Think of all the people they're protecting from unauthorised web cam snooping!

  52. We're Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Due to technical difficulties, your webcam will not be available going forward.

    As a consolation, please enjoy all the free ads we have chosen just for you (as per Cortana of course)

  53. Forced obsolescence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft knows exactly what it is doing, and it knows what it wants you to do: it wants you to buy a new webcam.

  54. Honesty is the best policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it’s refreshing that MS is so open about the contempt in which they hold their customers. So many big corporations try to pretend they care.

    MS is being honest with their customers – you are their cow and they will milk you whenever the fuck they want to.

  55. Telemetry? by mveloso · · Score: 2

    You'd think that Microsoft would be able to query it's installed base via whatever Win10 was collecting and figure out how people were using a feature. Either they can't, or nobody thought of it.

  56. Good News Though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ads will still work.