Human technologies have evolved orders of magnitude faster than the human brain has.
I didn't know quite where to trim your quote. I do not disagree one bit. While I truly believe that there are plenty of people who are civilized enough to believe that cooperation is the key to survival, instead of killing each other, I believe that there are more than enough people out there who can't see past their noses.
Which is all to say that I care about the state of the world and it's people, but I think our lizard brain is going to cause us at some point to gleefully push the big red button and render us extinct. It will probably be televised as the 4th of July fireworks to end all fireworks shows. I just don't think there is enough time for enough people who do care to evolve. We ded.
"Of course now, if a person is incapable of understanding that their own personal children don't just automatically inherit the half acre of livable real estate left if something comes along and kills the rest of humanity."
Of course not, what do you think the endless warfare is to get us ready for? Taking the livable real estate.
"But if say, as the growing season lengthens in the north, and if the present lower 48 becomes more arid - a possibility - there is a very good chance that the US might lose it's position in the world."
Or crush Canada and relocate. Having the strongest military in the world means we pretty much have our pick of everywhere in the world for where to relocate when that time comes.
Resources. If the strongest military always won, we'd be living under some descendent of Hammurabi. But we'd have a real problem trying to invade Canada without the resources to wage an extended war. As well, you figure America has enough goodwill built up that other countries might side with Canada? There are always nucs, but we'd be invading in order to get arable land, not a radioactive desert. It's a real crapshoot.
The Soviet Union had capabilities that were equal to America's, maybe a bit worse here, a bit better there, but both of us knew that war between us would probably be a pyrrhic victory for whoever won. But all that came to naught. For all their strength, when the union collapsed, the previous incredible might meant little.
And, your suggestion of crushing our peaceful neighbors to the north is a perfect example of the very instability I speak of. It isn't for atrocities, or political differences or religion - it's for land to survive on.
This sort of thing is why the Miltary takes AGW deadly seriously, not so they can go to war, but so they can prevent WW3.
"I'm lost now - I consider humans to be alpha predators."
You clearly haven't met very many insects and microbes but it's okay you will, they get every one of us in the end.
It's not like other alpha predators don't have parasites. I don't think you understand what an alpha predator is. It's the predator at the top of a food chain, not the bacteria that recycle them eventually.
The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.
Why should they? Reliability costs money: it takes more engineering resources (and higher quality ones too) to make software reliable instead of just slapping features in . Why should MS do this? It'll just detract from their bottom line. They can be more profitable by doing less engineering (and having less engineering staff too), and just letting customers deal with the problems. It's not like the customers are going to abandon Windows.
That's assuming there is no level at which their customers will abandon them. I've effectively abandoned them for the second time now. "Effectively" because the one program that I need that requires Windows is now taken care of on Mac and uses Windows 7. But they get no more money from me. And I've routed a lot of people to either OSX machines or installed Linux on a lot of people's ex Windows machines. I suspect that there might be some limit to the abuse. In any event, if people are masochists, there is a platform just right for them. 8^)
I think it might be more accurate to say that most people actually do care. BUT, they also realize that absolutely nothing they do on an individual level will have any impact whatsoever - everyone has to do it, or it's wasted effort. So there's very little incentive to make one's own life more expensive and less pleasant when everyone around you *appears* to not care (because they also all see everyone else not doing anything).
I'm not so certain. The most conservative guy I ever knew was having a conversation about petrofuels once stopped me in my tracks by saying "Fuck future generations. I want my oil, and I want it now. If we can pull all of it out of the ground - Good, I don't want to be inconvenienced one fucking bit. I don't care about future generations. Fuck them - let them find their own fucking power! "
Impresed me enough that I never forgot the words, these are verbatim.
What's really funny is that the apologists/shills (I think most of them are really apologists, not paid shills) have long trotted out the tired old meme about Linux "not having drivers", even though it's mostly BS. Yet Linux never has problems like this where drivers actually get broken in new releases, whereas apparently it's now a real issue with Windows.
I suspect many of the people who Installed Linux but it didn't have drivers either tried that in 1999, or haven't ever touched a Linux powered computer.
Oh great one, please shower humanity with your wisened benevolence & good intent. Yes, please continue with your great and noble sacrifices so that future generations may evolve into carbon neutral angels.
Everyone has themselves to blame. If you install win10 voluntary then fuck you. You asked for it, m$ provided.
The only question is what to think about, for example a single non-tech parent buying a notebook for their child... I think in that case fuck the OEMs who install shit on their computers.
All techies who use windoze 10, fuck you. You asked for it.
You shouldn't presume to speak for all of humanity.
YOU shouldn't, either.
Explain exactly how I have spoken for all of humanity? What kind of Trumpian world do we live in when a person can say everyone is not alike, and it some how becaomes All people are alike in not being alike.
Consider that you at least did one intelligent thnig today, posting as an Anonymous Coward. Honest - you wrote the stupidest thing all week. Perhaps you should go back to posting Gay projection haiku.
Its entirely possible we have already crossed into a run-away condition. If true conservation alone won't save your future generations. We should begin a global scale climate engineer project TODAY! So that its ready in time to be used.
The likliehood that we'll hit a runaway condition is extremely low. CO2 levels have been much higher at times in the past, and we didn't get anywhere near that level of instability.
What will happen is serious instability as the shift in climate changes weather patterns. This will probably have arid regions become rainy, and vice versa. As well, temperate areas may become sub tropical and sub-arctic areas become temperate. All at the same time that oceanic boundaries shift.
Here is a plausible, but not at all certain scenario. A water rights based civil war. California, having entered into a new arid climate, attempts to assert it's water rights upon the other states fed by the Colorado River, and demands that Oregon allow them to divert a sizable percentage of the Columbia River's water to allow California to grow food. Arizona and Oregon and Washington State refuse to cooperate. California Negotiations with Great Lakes States break off, dooming the proposed Transcontinental aqueduct. So California becomes desperate and moves to physically force Oregon to supply them with water, first in the courts, then by fighting.
Isle de Jean Charles is considered America's first climate change refugees. Inthe state of Louisiana the citizens have received a 48 million dollar grant to relocate. http://www.npr.org/2016/05/14/...
note: this is not all ocean levels rising - the rerouting of the Mississippi has cause delta erosion, so they are getting hit very quickly from multiple reasons.
So everyone enjoy - the future might be plenty exciting.
It would seem that the entire course of human history can be interpreted as a series of conflicts designed to secure specific regions against outsiders who threaten territorial independence and economic security.
Differential analysis:
The wealthiest playing games and using the rest of us as cannon fodder.
Who? BLM & SJWs exhibit just what you are describing in massive amounts, despite being on the left.
Sure. But they are considered kooks and fringe elements, and are not officially sanctioned as the leader of an entire political party as the Republicans have voted for Trump in record setting numbers, and he has alomst doubled the amunt of votes his closest competitor received.
Hard to say that Trump isn't the heart and soul, and intellectual leader of your political party when he lapped all of his opponents.
The rest of us just laugh at the kooky SJW's. They represent fucked up people, not much else.
Why would you think that? Having children is a sociopathic act when we're overpopulated. At our current level of behavior, Earth is over its carrying capacity. People having children aren't thinking of society, they're thinking of themselves.
Define thinking. It's more of a drive, and in some people, completely out of control. Fortunately I think society as a whole has stopped worshiping criminals like the Duggar family and the Octomom.
Of those, a very small percentage would honestly be able to say that they also want a safer world for everyone else's children. If your children are going to inherit a survivable part of the world, then why should they care that if a billion or two other people that they've never met will suffer and / or die?
That, in turn, is only because they are stupid and ignorant. It should be obvious that we are all living on the same planet.
Tribe mentality. Many humans are incapable of thinking of more than 25-30 people as "us". All else is the other, and in some people the other takes a sinister aspect. Lack of empathy be damned, they want them dead.
Example - the people who want as many people thrown in jail as possible, to get as tough on crime as possible, overwhelmingly do not want to pay for that incarceration. A reasoning rational person has to come to the conclusion they want these people killed.
Herd mammals did not evolve to have an emotional response to that (and, for the most part, that's a good thing - you couldn't function if you had an empathic response to all of the suffering in a world of over 6 billion people). That's why appeals to emotion in things like this are a waste of time.
Herd animals are easy to panic. That's why appeals to emotion work. If you tried them with predators, you'd just get your face bitten off.
I'm lost now - I consider humans to be alpha predators.
If your children are going to inherit a survivable part of the world, then why should they care that if a billion or two other people that they've never met will suffer and / or die?
Of course now, if a person is incapable of understanding that their own personal children don't just automatically inherit the half acre of livable real estate left if something comes along and kills the rest of humanity.
There are certain things that seem to be hard for some folks to comprehend. But that doesn't mean that those who cannot understand that they might be the losers in a future world should be the ones to hold sway and win the discussion.
Certain matters that affect humanity are not selective by family. The climate does not stop at one's property line, If we decide to nuc 3/4's of humanity, the side effects come to visit us as well.
One of the big issues deniers seldom address is that even if they don't give a damn about other people, perhaps the effect on their country might give them pause (although I find the patriotism of so many deniers is mere lip service.
But if say, as the growing season lengthens in the north, and if the present lower 48 becomes more arid - a possibility - there is a very good chance that the US might lose it's position in the world. So the endless warfare crowd might not have as happy a future as they like. Even though they might not believe in AGW, they might want to think about it's side effects.
In the end, I think that the hating all that is not us concept, and thinking that it extends to all of humanity and is the normal and correct outlook is one of those memes like trickle down theory that are not correct.
Unless of course, they don't consider people who do care about the future as humans. Then I suppose they might be correct.
Only thing for certain is they'll blame it all on liberals.
You shouldn't presume to speak for all of humanity.
Nor should you. -PCP
Ohh, an interesting paradox! A person who says that everyone is different being contradicted be a person saying that all people being different is somehow all people being the same.
Being different
But all being different is all being the same
But..... but......
Love having philosophical discussions with PhilosoRaptor's on Slashdot, who were at least smart enough to post AC.
The problem is that general purpose computers with general purpose operating systems are geek toys, and are far too complicated for the average guy on the street... In their failing attempts to make windows more suitable for such users, they are making it less palatable to the more technically minded users too.
The problem with what you are saying is that there is no problem at all with having a computer that can satisfy Grandma and ubergeek at the same time. OSX and Linux are both that way, and very seldom break. The hated Hipsters get along okay, and power users do as well. And yes, there are a lot of power users that use OSX.
And if the average user wants a device that is completely free of fuss and muss as well as reliable, they can use a Chromebook like the one I'm using right now. Cheap and reliable. And boots Linux if I need it.
It is getting really, really difficult to stand up for what Microsoft is doing at this point. As AC pointed out, Pro isn't Pro any more, and they are working enterprise toward a subscription service. You can't stop the fail - it will enter your computer and bitch it up whether you like it or not.
The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.
OSX has had it's bad updates as well. Didn't they mess up email a few years ago?
Nothing on OSX that didn't get fixed readily. Having lived through the Mail problem, it pales in comparison to say, my W10 machines that were updated, rebooted, then could no longer access ethernet. Windows 10 update experience is "What's next to break?" Because at this point, the day after updates, the web comes alive with what got hammered.
Assuming of course, the machines still have access to the web, or boot.
There was a time when windows update would give you a list of what was fixed. Now it seems to be a list of what was/will be broken.
But t's like a new surprise each time. the fun part is listening to the shills try to blame it on the victims, So we have audio drivers, Ethernet adapters, Cameras, Powershell and more. I wonder if the dreaded predicted XPocalypse is actually going to happen instead with a windows 10 update bricking everything. The shills might have to use Linux or OSX to post their defense of the bricking as a good thing.
Why the hell should anyone care about abstract "people"? I'mm not wired that way, we care about those we know, not about anyone I don't know.
I fixed that for you. There ar ea lot of peopel in this world. Some do not care about anyone outside their immediate or extended family - in fact, some have a great fear outside of their "friend zone". Some don't care about anyone at all. And despite your assertions, there are those among us who actually do care about the future and the people in it.
You shouldn't presume to speak for all of humanity.
I have found that the biggest problem some people have with Linux is they try to impose Windows on it
That's hardly the issue here, but go ahead and keep responding to things I didn't write (or even imply).
After reading your post, what I wrote is 100 percent relevant - because it is at the root of your problem. You are doing it wrong.
I don't even know if it's worth continuing this discussion at this point. Offline installs are still a thing
And there you have it. Every install I've done for years wants you to have an internet connection. Doing an install without one is sortkinda possible, but you are almost certain to have problems, as needed things are not available. Most distros I've used even update the whole OS during the install so you end up with an up to date computer.
The internet is exactly how the drivers are obtained. You start the install, it Id's what you have, and goes out to get it. There is no one in their right mind who would install offline, and then whine about not having a driver. Because if you do, you will then need to go the old fashioned route - long abandoned - of searching for every driver and manually installing it. And if you don't have an ethernet or wireless driver you're not going anywhere fast.
You do however, allow me to understand how some of the whiners get in the positions they do. As usual, y'all make great pronouncements of how awful Linux is, with improper whatever support, while doing it incorrectly. Which makes my previous statement about imposing another paradigm on Linux perhaps quite relevent - while you in your imposition of the inferior if not completely wrong installation method, claim that I need to shut up. It's quite relevant. Maybe you'll understand that, maybe you won't.
That is exactly why I don't have the problems you do. You are doing it wrong, and shouldn't expect things to work right when you are doing it wrong.
So if you do it offline - you're almost certain to have problems to whine about. Good day sir, and remember to get that last word in so you can feel like you won. I'd suggest you make it short though, because I'm not wasting my time reading it.
And no, I've never had to reinstall Linux. Windows? Just about once a year.
My hdds tend to fail before I need a windows reinstall. So far every single linux install I've done to date has gotten mangled from my attempts to do things on it (even simple things, such as installing steam on debian) that the only help I can get from the support forums is to just reinstall.
Strange - I do test a lot of software, so it's a constant issue of cleaning the registry as well. But I have some Linux installs from 2011 that are still going strong.
Either that or you have a bad memory. I haven't once installed ubuntu or debian on a laptop where at least 1 semi-important bit of hardware wasn't recognized, or was only partially supported.
I have found that the biggest problem some people have with Linux is they try to impose Windows on it. But then I read......
The most common offender was the network card(s) not showing up at all,
How on earth did you do the install? I haven't done an install in years that didn't require an internet connection to do it. You need to connect to the internet, in the first place, so it is remarkable that your connection and install would kill the driver.
Sumpin seriously odd here.
The worst problem I've had with Linux is a lubuntu install that doesn't care what I set for wakeup. After five minutes of inactivity, I have to log in again.
That's exactly the kind of minor issue I'm talking about. A non-tech savvy person wouldn't know the first place to start and just live with it. I like to at least attempt fixing those sorts of things, but generally the attempt ends up breaking more things than it fixes.
Note that out of many dozens of installs, that's it. That is also less issues than my Windows installs.
This tl;dr isn't too far off, but it's not an order, more a reflection of what actually happens. Much like while I love tinkering with OSes and playing with multiple ones, I couldn't give a crap how my car works as long as it goes forward when I hit the gas and stops when I hit the brake. I drive a piece of shit right now and I don't get it why people are obsessed with some other ones, because I lack the interest. Just like nearly the entire world lacks the interest to tinker with an OS.
Near enough = good enough. This is human nature for everything we don't take a very active interest in.
I don't care what market share is, I don't care that mediocre or almost working is the height to which some people aspire. I really don't. I am a person who is curious about many things, from my operating systems, to my vehicles, to my screwdrivers. Damn near everything in fact. Interestingly, that irritates people. But whatever. Maybe they think I'm bragging or something.
And I even help those who can't be bothered to learn to help themselves. I'm irritating as hell, but that doesn't mean I'm a prick, just the weird guy who explains stuff that they are too (insert whatever word you like) to learn.
Anyhow thegarbz, I fear we are just in a sort of deadlock here. End situation is I'm happy to be able to carry on untelligent conversations with rocket scientists, Physicists, and other professionals, I'm happy to learn the differences and similarities between Operating Systems so I can tallk and make intelligent decisions regarding them, while others might be more comfortable with discussing the latest episode of "Here comes Honey Boo-Boo", "Braxton Family Vlues", or "Naked and Afraid". And my curiosity leads me to watch an episode or two of each. The experience was a true waste of time. Just a difference in perspective, I suppose. We'll have this on occasion.
If you'd actually bothered to read my post, you'd notice I never made claims about any of the things you talk about here. I even specifically talked about linux, no mention of OSX anywhere.
OSX is Unix, which is darn near Linux. I move back and forth seamlessly between them. And no, I've never had to reinstall Linux. Windows? Just about once a year.
I would also argue that your minor nuisance issues ar enot even remotely a nuisance for some of us - just a difference.
I'm not talking about differences, I'm talking about actual problems such as my linux install not recognizing the brightness control keys on my laptop, or some bug with the wireless drivers that causes the card to glitch out and reconnect a few times a day. The sorts of problems that are annoying, but you can live with.
I'm the luckiest guy on earth. The worst problem I've had with Linux is a lubuntu install that doesn't care what I set for wakeup. After five minutes of inactivity, I have to log in again.
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Human technologies have evolved orders of magnitude faster than the human brain has.
I didn't know quite where to trim your quote. I do not disagree one bit. While I truly believe that there are plenty of people who are civilized enough to believe that cooperation is the key to survival, instead of killing each other, I believe that there are more than enough people out there who can't see past their noses.
Which is all to say that I care about the state of the world and it's people, but I think our lizard brain is going to cause us at some point to gleefully push the big red button and render us extinct. It will probably be televised as the 4th of July fireworks to end all fireworks shows. I just don't think there is enough time for enough people who do care to evolve. We ded.
"Of course now, if a person is incapable of understanding that their own personal children don't just automatically inherit the half acre of livable real estate left if something comes along and kills the rest of humanity." Of course not, what do you think the endless warfare is to get us ready for? Taking the livable real estate. "But if say, as the growing season lengthens in the north, and if the present lower 48 becomes more arid - a possibility - there is a very good chance that the US might lose it's position in the world." Or crush Canada and relocate. Having the strongest military in the world means we pretty much have our pick of everywhere in the world for where to relocate when that time comes.
Resources. If the strongest military always won, we'd be living under some descendent of Hammurabi. But we'd have a real problem trying to invade Canada without the resources to wage an extended war. As well, you figure America has enough goodwill built up that other countries might side with Canada? There are always nucs, but we'd be invading in order to get arable land, not a radioactive desert. It's a real crapshoot.
The Soviet Union had capabilities that were equal to America's, maybe a bit worse here, a bit better there, but both of us knew that war between us would probably be a pyrrhic victory for whoever won. But all that came to naught. For all their strength, when the union collapsed, the previous incredible might meant little. And, your suggestion of crushing our peaceful neighbors to the north is a perfect example of the very instability I speak of. It isn't for atrocities, or political differences or religion - it's for land to survive on.
This sort of thing is why the Miltary takes AGW deadly seriously, not so they can go to war, but so they can prevent WW3.
"I'm lost now - I consider humans to be alpha predators." You clearly haven't met very many insects and microbes but it's okay you will, they get every one of us in the end.
It's not like other alpha predators don't have parasites. I don't think you understand what an alpha predator is. It's the predator at the top of a food chain, not the bacteria that recycle them eventually.
In other words, you don't have an argument.
None that you are capable of understanding,
The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.
Why should they? Reliability costs money: it takes more engineering resources (and higher quality ones too) to make software reliable instead of just slapping features in . Why should MS do this? It'll just detract from their bottom line. They can be more profitable by doing less engineering (and having less engineering staff too), and just letting customers deal with the problems. It's not like the customers are going to abandon Windows.
That's assuming there is no level at which their customers will abandon them. I've effectively abandoned them for the second time now. "Effectively" because the one program that I need that requires Windows is now taken care of on Mac and uses Windows 7. But they get no more money from me. And I've routed a lot of people to either OSX machines or installed Linux on a lot of people's ex Windows machines. I suspect that there might be some limit to the abuse. In any event, if people are masochists, there is a platform just right for them. 8^)
I think it might be more accurate to say that most people actually do care. BUT, they also realize that absolutely nothing they do on an individual level will have any impact whatsoever - everyone has to do it, or it's wasted effort. So there's very little incentive to make one's own life more expensive and less pleasant when everyone around you *appears* to not care (because they also all see everyone else not doing anything).
I'm not so certain. The most conservative guy I ever knew was having a conversation about petrofuels once stopped me in my tracks by saying "Fuck future generations. I want my oil, and I want it now. If we can pull all of it out of the ground - Good, I don't want to be inconvenienced one fucking bit. I don't care about future generations. Fuck them - let them find their own fucking power! "
Impresed me enough that I never forgot the words, these are verbatim.
What's really funny is that the apologists/shills (I think most of them are really apologists, not paid shills) have long trotted out the tired old meme about Linux "not having drivers", even though it's mostly BS. Yet Linux never has problems like this where drivers actually get broken in new releases, whereas apparently it's now a real issue with Windows.
I suspect many of the people who Installed Linux but it didn't have drivers either tried that in 1999, or haven't ever touched a Linux powered computer.
Oh great one, please shower humanity with your wisened benevolence & good intent. Yes, please continue with your great and noble sacrifices so that future generations may evolve into carbon neutral angels.
Fix me a sammich, Coward.
Everyone has themselves to blame. If you install win10 voluntary then fuck you. You asked for it, m$ provided. The only question is what to think about, for example a single non-tech parent buying a notebook for their child... I think in that case fuck the OEMs who install shit on their computers. All techies who use windoze 10, fuck you. You asked for it.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
You shouldn't presume to speak for all of humanity.
YOU shouldn't, either. Explain exactly how I have spoken for all of humanity? What kind of Trumpian world do we live in when a person can say everyone is not alike, and it some how becaomes All people are alike in not being alike. Consider that you at least did one intelligent thnig today, posting as an Anonymous Coward. Honest - you wrote the stupidest thing all week. Perhaps you should go back to posting Gay projection haiku.
Its entirely possible we have already crossed into a run-away condition. If true conservation alone won't save your future generations. We should begin a global scale climate engineer project TODAY! So that its ready in time to be used.
The likliehood that we'll hit a runaway condition is extremely low. CO2 levels have been much higher at times in the past, and we didn't get anywhere near that level of instability.
What will happen is serious instability as the shift in climate changes weather patterns. This will probably have arid regions become rainy, and vice versa. As well, temperate areas may become sub tropical and sub-arctic areas become temperate. All at the same time that oceanic boundaries shift.
Here is a plausible, but not at all certain scenario. A water rights based civil war. California, having entered into a new arid climate, attempts to assert it's water rights upon the other states fed by the Colorado River, and demands that Oregon allow them to divert a sizable percentage of the Columbia River's water to allow California to grow food. Arizona and Oregon and Washington State refuse to cooperate. California Negotiations with Great Lakes States break off, dooming the proposed Transcontinental aqueduct. So California becomes desperate and moves to physically force Oregon to supply them with water, first in the courts, then by fighting.
Is this outlandish? Check out the California Water Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
For a worldwide list http://www2.worldwater.org/con...
There will also probably be a number of refugees from oceanfront real estate.
We already have climate refugees - Carteret Island pupulation has abandoned theit home http://earthfirstjournal.org/n...
Isle de Jean Charles is considered America's first climate change refugees. Inthe state of Louisiana the citizens have received a 48 million dollar grant to relocate. http://www.npr.org/2016/05/14/...
note: this is not all ocean levels rising - the rerouting of the Mississippi has cause delta erosion, so they are getting hit very quickly from multiple reasons.
So everyone enjoy - the future might be plenty exciting.
It would seem that the entire course of human history can be interpreted as a series of conflicts designed to secure specific regions against outsiders who threaten territorial independence and economic security.
Differential analysis:
The wealthiest playing games and using the rest of us as cannon fodder.
Who? BLM & SJWs exhibit just what you are describing in massive amounts, despite being on the left.
Sure. But they are considered kooks and fringe elements, and are not officially sanctioned as the leader of an entire political party as the Republicans have voted for Trump in record setting numbers, and he has alomst doubled the amunt of votes his closest competitor received.
Hard to say that Trump isn't the heart and soul, and intellectual leader of your political party when he lapped all of his opponents.
The rest of us just laugh at the kooky SJW's. They represent fucked up people, not much else.
Why would you think that? Having children is a sociopathic act when we're overpopulated. At our current level of behavior, Earth is over its carrying capacity. People having children aren't thinking of society, they're thinking of themselves.
Define thinking. It's more of a drive, and in some people, completely out of control. Fortunately I think society as a whole has stopped worshiping criminals like the Duggar family and the Octomom.
Of those, a very small percentage would honestly be able to say that they also want a safer world for everyone else's children. If your children are going to inherit a survivable part of the world, then why should they care that if a billion or two other people that they've never met will suffer and / or die?
That, in turn, is only because they are stupid and ignorant. It should be obvious that we are all living on the same planet.
Tribe mentality. Many humans are incapable of thinking of more than 25-30 people as "us". All else is the other, and in some people the other takes a sinister aspect. Lack of empathy be damned, they want them dead.
Example - the people who want as many people thrown in jail as possible, to get as tough on crime as possible, overwhelmingly do not want to pay for that incarceration. A reasoning rational person has to come to the conclusion they want these people killed.
Herd mammals did not evolve to have an emotional response to that (and, for the most part, that's a good thing - you couldn't function if you had an empathic response to all of the suffering in a world of over 6 billion people). That's why appeals to emotion in things like this are a waste of time.
Herd animals are easy to panic. That's why appeals to emotion work. If you tried them with predators, you'd just get your face bitten off.
I'm lost now - I consider humans to be alpha predators.
If your children are going to inherit a survivable part of the world, then why should they care that if a billion or two other people that they've never met will suffer and / or die?
Of course now, if a person is incapable of understanding that their own personal children don't just automatically inherit the half acre of livable real estate left if something comes along and kills the rest of humanity.
There are certain things that seem to be hard for some folks to comprehend. But that doesn't mean that those who cannot understand that they might be the losers in a future world should be the ones to hold sway and win the discussion.
Certain matters that affect humanity are not selective by family. The climate does not stop at one's property line, If we decide to nuc 3/4's of humanity, the side effects come to visit us as well.
One of the big issues deniers seldom address is that even if they don't give a damn about other people, perhaps the effect on their country might give them pause (although I find the patriotism of so many deniers is mere lip service.
But if say, as the growing season lengthens in the north, and if the present lower 48 becomes more arid - a possibility - there is a very good chance that the US might lose it's position in the world. So the endless warfare crowd might not have as happy a future as they like. Even though they might not believe in AGW, they might want to think about it's side effects.
In the end, I think that the hating all that is not us concept, and thinking that it extends to all of humanity and is the normal and correct outlook is one of those memes like trickle down theory that are not correct.
Unless of course, they don't consider people who do care about the future as humans. Then I suppose they might be correct.
Only thing for certain is they'll blame it all on liberals.
You shouldn't presume to speak for all of humanity.
Nor should you. -PCP
Ohh, an interesting paradox! A person who says that everyone is different being contradicted be a person saying that all people being different is somehow all people being the same.
Being different
But all being different is all being the same
But..... but......
Love having philosophical discussions with PhilosoRaptor's on Slashdot, who were at least smart enough to post AC.
The problem is that general purpose computers with general purpose operating systems are geek toys, and are far too complicated for the average guy on the street... In their failing attempts to make windows more suitable for such users, they are making it less palatable to the more technically minded users too.
The problem with what you are saying is that there is no problem at all with having a computer that can satisfy Grandma and ubergeek at the same time. OSX and Linux are both that way, and very seldom break. The hated Hipsters get along okay, and power users do as well. And yes, there are a lot of power users that use OSX.
And if the average user wants a device that is completely free of fuss and muss as well as reliable, they can use a Chromebook like the one I'm using right now. Cheap and reliable. And boots Linux if I need it.
It is getting really, really difficult to stand up for what Microsoft is doing at this point. As AC pointed out, Pro isn't Pro any more, and they are working enterprise toward a subscription service. You can't stop the fail - it will enter your computer and bitch it up whether you like it or not.
The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.
OSX has had it's bad updates as well. Didn't they mess up email a few years ago?
Nothing on OSX that didn't get fixed readily. Having lived through the Mail problem, it pales in comparison to say, my W10 machines that were updated, rebooted, then could no longer access ethernet. Windows 10 update experience is "What's next to break?" Because at this point, the day after updates, the web comes alive with what got hammered.
Assuming of course, the machines still have access to the web, or boot.
There was a time when windows update would give you a list of what was fixed. Now it seems to be a list of what was/will be broken.
But t's like a new surprise each time. the fun part is listening to the shills try to blame it on the victims, So we have audio drivers, Ethernet adapters, Cameras, Powershell and more. I wonder if the dreaded predicted XPocalypse is actually going to happen instead with a windows 10 update bricking everything. The shills might have to use Linux or OSX to post their defense of the bricking as a good thing.
Windows 10 - the gift that keeps on taking.
Why the hell should anyone care about abstract "people"? I'mm not wired that way, we care about those we know, not about anyone I don't know .
I fixed that for you. There ar ea lot of peopel in this world. Some do not care about anyone outside their immediate or extended family - in fact, some have a great fear outside of their "friend zone". Some don't care about anyone at all. And despite your assertions, there are those among us who actually do care about the future and the people in it.
You shouldn't presume to speak for all of humanity.
I have found that the biggest problem some people have with Linux is they try to impose Windows on it
That's hardly the issue here, but go ahead and keep responding to things I didn't write (or even imply).
After reading your post, what I wrote is 100 percent relevant - because it is at the root of your problem. You are doing it wrong.
I don't even know if it's worth continuing this discussion at this point. Offline installs are still a thing
And there you have it. Every install I've done for years wants you to have an internet connection. Doing an install without one is sortkinda possible, but you are almost certain to have problems, as needed things are not available. Most distros I've used even update the whole OS during the install so you end up with an up to date computer.
The internet is exactly how the drivers are obtained. You start the install, it Id's what you have, and goes out to get it. There is no one in their right mind who would install offline, and then whine about not having a driver. Because if you do, you will then need to go the old fashioned route - long abandoned - of searching for every driver and manually installing it. And if you don't have an ethernet or wireless driver you're not going anywhere fast.
You do however, allow me to understand how some of the whiners get in the positions they do. As usual, y'all make great pronouncements of how awful Linux is, with improper whatever support, while doing it incorrectly. Which makes my previous statement about imposing another paradigm on Linux perhaps quite relevent - while you in your imposition of the inferior if not completely wrong installation method, claim that I need to shut up. It's quite relevant. Maybe you'll understand that, maybe you won't.
That is exactly why I don't have the problems you do. You are doing it wrong, and shouldn't expect things to work right when you are doing it wrong. So if you do it offline - you're almost certain to have problems to whine about. Good day sir, and remember to get that last word in so you can feel like you won. I'd suggest you make it short though, because I'm not wasting my time reading it.
And no, I've never had to reinstall Linux. Windows? Just about once a year.
My hdds tend to fail before I need a windows reinstall. So far every single linux install I've done to date has gotten mangled from my attempts to do things on it (even simple things, such as installing steam on debian) that the only help I can get from the support forums is to just reinstall.
Strange - I do test a lot of software, so it's a constant issue of cleaning the registry as well. But I have some Linux installs from 2011 that are still going strong.
Either that or you have a bad memory. I haven't once installed ubuntu or debian on a laptop where at least 1 semi-important bit of hardware wasn't recognized, or was only partially supported.
I have found that the biggest problem some people have with Linux is they try to impose Windows on it. But then I read......
The most common offender was the network card(s) not showing up at all,
How on earth did you do the install? I haven't done an install in years that didn't require an internet connection to do it. You need to connect to the internet, in the first place, so it is remarkable that your connection and install would kill the driver.
Sumpin seriously odd here.
The worst problem I've had with Linux is a lubuntu install that doesn't care what I set for wakeup. After five minutes of inactivity, I have to log in again.
That's exactly the kind of minor issue I'm talking about. A non-tech savvy person wouldn't know the first place to start and just live with it. I like to at least attempt fixing those sorts of things, but generally the attempt ends up breaking more things than it fixes.
Note that out of many dozens of installs, that's it. That is also less issues than my Windows installs.
This tl;dr isn't too far off, but it's not an order, more a reflection of what actually happens. Much like while I love tinkering with OSes and playing with multiple ones, I couldn't give a crap how my car works as long as it goes forward when I hit the gas and stops when I hit the brake. I drive a piece of shit right now and I don't get it why people are obsessed with some other ones, because I lack the interest. Just like nearly the entire world lacks the interest to tinker with an OS.
Near enough = good enough. This is human nature for everything we don't take a very active interest in.
I don't care what market share is, I don't care that mediocre or almost working is the height to which some people aspire. I really don't. I am a person who is curious about many things, from my operating systems, to my vehicles, to my screwdrivers. Damn near everything in fact. Interestingly, that irritates people. But whatever. Maybe they think I'm bragging or something.
And I even help those who can't be bothered to learn to help themselves. I'm irritating as hell, but that doesn't mean I'm a prick, just the weird guy who explains stuff that they are too (insert whatever word you like) to learn.
Anyhow thegarbz, I fear we are just in a sort of deadlock here. End situation is I'm happy to be able to carry on untelligent conversations with rocket scientists, Physicists, and other professionals, I'm happy to learn the differences and similarities between Operating Systems so I can tallk and make intelligent decisions regarding them, while others might be more comfortable with discussing the latest episode of "Here comes Honey Boo-Boo", "Braxton Family Vlues", or "Naked and Afraid". And my curiosity leads me to watch an episode or two of each. The experience was a true waste of time. Just a difference in perspective, I suppose. We'll have this on occasion.
If you'd actually bothered to read my post, you'd notice I never made claims about any of the things you talk about here. I even specifically talked about linux, no mention of OSX anywhere.
OSX is Unix, which is darn near Linux. I move back and forth seamlessly between them. And no, I've never had to reinstall Linux. Windows? Just about once a year.
I would also argue that your minor nuisance issues ar enot even remotely a nuisance for some of us - just a difference.
I'm not talking about differences, I'm talking about actual problems such as my linux install not recognizing the brightness control keys on my laptop, or some bug with the wireless drivers that causes the card to glitch out and reconnect a few times a day. The sorts of problems that are annoying, but you can live with.
I'm the luckiest guy on earth. The worst problem I've had with Linux is a lubuntu install that doesn't care what I set for wakeup. After five minutes of inactivity, I have to log in again.
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