That's not really fair. Trump is not a dumb guy. What he has done is remarkable. He has managed to tap into the pseudo conservative hatred brewed by right wing media bloviators, that has been honed to a white hot irrational pitch, and told different groups what they want to hear. Which is some times different and opposite things. They don't care any more, because they aren't thinking rationally any more.
One of the most amazing things that they are missing is that on so many positions, is is more to the left than Mrs Clinton. But the hatred at this point is just clamoring for release. If elected, it might be interesting to see what his supporters think a year in. Might not be pretty at all.
It's not that you can't take it past 80%, it's just that the battery lasts longer if you keep it at 80%; you just tell the car to do that, and it will stop charging when it hits 80%. Thing is, an 80% charge is MORE than enough for most people's daily driving.
The odd time you want 100%, you can just tell the car to charge up to full the night before.
Fast chargers also shorten the battery's life; but it's like 10% less. So the battery might last 9 years instead of 10 if you ONLY charge on fast chargers; but if you occasionally use the fast chargers, it makes no significant difference to the lifespan of the batteries.
And if you've forgotten to charge up? You just stick it on charger and wait for a little while until you have enough charge to reach the fast charger, then drive there and charge it for half an hour or so- whatever is necessary, and then go from there. It's inconvenient if you fuck up like that, but you're not going to be doubling your travel time, Tesla's charge faster than they discharge as they drive.
A 95 year old woman dies. Is this what "news for nerds" has become?
No matter how interesting her early life, the death is hardly news, and not the best starting point for a nerdy discussion. So I will just moan about the editors instead.
Good job, and thanks much for your valuable input.
Consider that if Slashdot pulled every article that some guy on the internet didn't think belonged there, there would be nothing.
More insightful than your comment to be honest. I was pointing out that the word shill gets thrown around a lot, especially in windows threads.
The Microsoft paid shill has escaped the once narrow definition, and now represents anyone who makes over the top statements in support of Windows or any OS or device. Shill might be one of the kindest words to use for these jokers. The "every problem is your fault" folks, the misinformers, the deny that Microsoft is doing what they say they are doing folks, the blatant liars. Many doing it all for free, and approaching troll and axe grinder status
And yes - this does happen a lot in Windows threads. There is a reason for that. Shill fits pretty well.
That's interesting. Thanks for making a cogent reply to this question I've been asking since the whole business started.
Did you doubt the veracity of all the people who have said they "upgraded" without their input?
Or otherwise trick you into it, in some pretty devious ways, like my blank Window that stays on top and won't go away. In the end, I have to click in the window - anywhere will do - and quickly kill the next window that pops up, because it is starting the upgrade process.. In the end, it only make sense - a company that downloads an operating system on your computer without your permission probably doesn't feel that they need your permission to do anything.
Today's windows updates when it damn well feels like it.
Or even tricks you into it. I have one machine that pops up a blank window, always on top. nothing in it. when you try to get rid of it, it starts to install W10.
Is it just an issue of mistrust?
Is what I just described the tactics of a trustworthy company? I fear Microsoft bitching up my computer more than any malware . Though some would consider that to be redundant.
T Not long after the Windows 10 mess started, that policy changed to install-nothing by default, and we just have someone review the security updates each patch day and make a list of any that it seems (a) we might actually need and (b) don't come bundled with anything else we don't want.
We had those sort of issues even back in XP+1 days - when Vista was the hot mess. Updates were always bitching something up, so meetings got interesting foro a while. Since I couldn't be in every conference room at once - especially since some of them wer my own meetings, I ended up having a couple "special laptops" that was offline most of the time, and when I did update them they were thourougly checked out.
It's pretty pathetic when you have to keep a computer off the network in order to keep it functioning. Even more pathetic that so many Windows fans seem to think this is SOP.
I'm not sure why you cannot follow a thread but here you go
I can follow threads pretty well. I've just been trying to check the veracity of that statement. Not getting a lot either. Too often some guy on the internet spouts something and others lap it up from God's lips to their ears and declare it as a deal breaker?
There's no question that living with rechargeable devices is different than living with portable fuel devices. People might look at it in similar fashion to having cell/smartphones and at least in my case, a lot of rechargeable devices. Not too difficult, although the portable chargers for smartphones might indicate that some are not up to the task. Any inconvenience in plugging the car in is outweighed by not having to go to a gas station and pumping gas.
The reason I questioned the 80 percent figure versus 100 percent figure is that it doesn't seem to jibe with general battery maintenance. It won't do any harm, but the only advantage I can see is that the charge current goes down sharply as the battery approaches full charge, so the last 20 percent charges at a slower rate.
But my Li ion batteries go in at whatever state, I am at when I'm done, and they are stopped at 100 percent. I have some from 2006 ! that are still going pretty strong.
It's all magic anyways.. Well until the magic smoke escapes. BTW, about the guy who originally posted the 80%, I have known him to be wrong on opinions a bit but rarely wrong on facts. Perhaps you should ask him about this.
That's all I ask for. If this is a real thing it has to be in there in writing somewhere. And if this person is seldom wrong on the facts - well, I have no fear of being proven wrong.
Even if we had computing classes for 4th graders. It would not help. You cannot teach everybody coding. The kids will hate it. It could be even counter productive.
This! Coding (and how I am learning to hate the very word) as a requirement, seems to smack of the facetious Garrison Keillor ending to the Lake Wobegone stories:
"Where all the women are strong, the men are good looking, and all of the children are above average"
Even more than just being above average, it takes a particular mindset, and there really are not that many people who have it. And you start needing that mindset about the third page after you make your first "Hello World" program.
At it's very best, assuming that teaching coding to children with the idea that you are going to turn out a bunch of programmers is just as intelligent as assuming that by having phys-ed classes means you will turn out a bunch of professional athletes.
In both cases, the pros will be pros regardless of what you force on them, and there will be a significant subset that finds the whole thing just torture.
The last thing I would want to do is interact with a chatbot of me.
Though I suppose it would be funny to ask questions and interact with it until it gets bored with me and ignores me from then on until I get a new chatbot.
You can make jokes but she has a point...why would I give a shit about the GPL if I'm a company if I can just take the parts I want and claim fair use?
Why sould I worry about laws against murder? I can just shoot you dead and claim self defense.
No, what he is saying is that checking the fuel gage when fueling to stop from over fueling the vehicle and having to be concerned with running a certain amount of fuel out before refueling instead of topping the tank of whenever it is convenient is the showstopper.
I want to see the specific text that says you are not supposed to charge over 80 percent. I've been searching without luck, and I suppose since you are the one with the know how about Teslas, You will have that cite.
I did however find that Tesla recommends that you keep them plugged in whenever you aren't driving. Makes sense. Apparently the Tesla knows that you are taking a trip the next day, so charges it to 100 percent, and also knows if you aren't. I wonder if it purposely drains the bttery down to 80 percent if it was qt 100.
They only information I found was regarding the charge times and how many miles per hour of charge time, and the superchargers half charge time, then how the time increases for the second half.
So anyhow, why do they say keep it at 80 percent when they say you should keep it on the charger? Seems a littl contradictory but I'm a bowling ball dropper.
I am looking forward eagerly to the demand to do the 80/100 thing, and the damages that will result if a driver drives locally on a fully charged battery. Thanks in advance.
It would be for me too. I am not going to delay a trip or do extra driving because i have a 40% charge and will need 70% for my activities the next day.
What's even more amazing is that whatever bizzare battery maintenance Tesla demands cannot be handled by th echarging circuitry. Go figure
There's a reason we don't treat alcoholics with whiskey.
I suspect it's not a very good reason or a reason whose motivation is derived from Calvinistic moral calculus.
This is interesting. I don't drink very much, so can't comment on that addiction, but I can attest to the puritanical attitudes that believe that feeling good is a sin. After some sports injuries and on opiates for a short time, I do recall the burst of euphoria involved. So I understand that some could become addicted. I didn't become addicted, as so many others didn't, so it is more an issue of personality/physical makeup?
But our war on drugs has ruined more lives than the drugs themselves. What is worse, it creates a vehicle for people to make incredible sums of money and commit impressive amounts of violence. And doesn't do a damn thing about stopping access to the drugs.
So while an alcoholic might function quite well on controlled amounts of ethanol - and they do, I know I've worked with some very capable and professional alcoholics who were better employees than most - and there is nothing that small doses of opiates do that will incapacitate you, the concept of controlled access makes for people who are more likely to be productive citizens, and less likely to become a ward of the state.
What if we just acknowledged that alcoholics drink, and instead of trying to foist abstinence we instead eliminated the shame associated with "failing" to become a teetotaler and instead put some effort into just getting their drinking down to less-destructive levels?
would be a very interesting experiment. Expect a huge pushback from the Women's Christian Temperance Union H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Mothers against Drunk Driving, who have exposed their inner core beliefs since largely achieving their initial goal.
There were at least two NYTimes articles about this kind of thing in the past year, including a Dutch program that gave chronic alcoholics jobs *and* beer, providing them with structure that got them into a productive life cycle but acknowledged that they could drink, too? From the looks of it, it appeared to be fairly successful.
There are some people who are going to be a problem, and will be on a self destructive course, perhaps not much at all can be done to treat them. But those might be outliers? Who knows - certainly worth a try.
As well, one of the things I just recalled. My family was more European than American in my upbringing, and I had my tastes of beer and wine (usually watered down) as a child. So when I was in high school, and my friends were pretending to be adults, using the forbidden drink they could now sneak, I was largely meh, and thought them pretty ridiculous watching them stumble around and puke. It just wasn't something glamorous. But it worked.
Today, Child protective services would have put me in foster care. All the while making more alcoholics.
No it is microsofts job not to lie to their employees and governments. If you promise something you should do it.
Nokia was a great company until Microsoft tried to install Windows and it finally broke nokias phones.
The Finnish Government does not realize that American companies make money by getting rid of people. Lopping off ten thousand or so people is done with as much concern as changing the brand of towels in the toilet.
If the Finnish government didn't realize the MO of American companies it is their fault for entering into the deal. Its not like we make it a secret.
You seem to miss the point. I was responding to a comment that you can't just simply plug it in overnight... that you need to be concerned about it daily in how you charge it. I'm not concerned about my ICE daily. I check the oil once every few weeks, that's it.
what is unutterably inconvenient and a show stopper for you is about as big a pain as checking the fuel gauge. this is pretty much a case of you just have a boner for electric vehicles don't you?
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Why can't someone who's achieved celebrity through a combination of brilliance and science communication then speak up in response?
Because Trump supporters don't handle that kind of stuff very well.
No but perhaps he has a brain
So does my pet gecko.
So does Trump
So do his supporters.
I arranged them in IQ order.
That's not really fair. Trump is not a dumb guy. What he has done is remarkable. He has managed to tap into the pseudo conservative hatred brewed by right wing media bloviators, that has been honed to a white hot irrational pitch, and told different groups what they want to hear. Which is some times different and opposite things. They don't care any more, because they aren't thinking rationally any more.
One of the most amazing things that they are missing is that on so many positions, is is more to the left than Mrs Clinton. But the hatred at this point is just clamoring for release. If elected, it might be interesting to see what his supporters think a year in. Might not be pretty at all.
Many leftists think
I don't know about leftists, but Trump isn't a conservative.
We're debating bathroom peen inspectors in red states as a top priority.
It's not that you can't take it past 80%, it's just that the battery lasts longer if you keep it at 80%; you just tell the car to do that, and it will stop charging when it hits 80%. Thing is, an 80% charge is MORE than enough for most people's daily driving.
The odd time you want 100%, you can just tell the car to charge up to full the night before.
Fast chargers also shorten the battery's life; but it's like 10% less. So the battery might last 9 years instead of 10 if you ONLY charge on fast chargers; but if you occasionally use the fast chargers, it makes no significant difference to the lifespan of the batteries.
And if you've forgotten to charge up? You just stick it on charger and wait for a little while until you have enough charge to reach the fast charger, then drive there and charge it for half an hour or so- whatever is necessary, and then go from there. It's inconvenient if you fuck up like that, but you're not going to be doubling your travel time, Tesla's charge faster than they discharge as they drive.
Couldn't agree more.
Let me float this one out there for the haters.
I really like Tesla paint jobs.........
I dunno, but any day now, someone is going to be bitching about a new CPU.
So, you don't care about historical geeky stuff. Then don't fucking read it.
But I think bitching about Slashdot stories is some folks major contribution.
Hard to imagine that early computing devices and the people that used them are considered not appropriate for Slashdot by some users.
A 95 year old woman dies. Is this what "news for nerds" has become?
No matter how interesting her early life, the death is hardly news, and not the best starting point for a nerdy discussion. So I will just moan about the editors instead.
Good job, and thanks much for your valuable input.
Consider that if Slashdot pulled every article that some guy on the internet didn't think belonged there, there would be nothing.
More insightful than your comment to be honest. I was pointing out that the word shill gets thrown around a lot, especially in windows threads.
The Microsoft paid shill has escaped the once narrow definition, and now represents anyone who makes over the top statements in support of Windows or any OS or device. Shill might be one of the kindest words to use for these jokers. The "every problem is your fault" folks, the misinformers, the deny that Microsoft is doing what they say they are doing folks, the blatant liars. Many doing it all for free, and approaching troll and axe grinder status
And yes - this does happen a lot in Windows threads. There is a reason for that. Shill fits pretty well.
We really need to come up with a good name for people who accuse anyone who disagrees with them a shill.
Insightful.
That's interesting. Thanks for making a cogent reply to this question I've been asking since the whole business started.
Did you doubt the veracity of all the people who have said they "upgraded" without their input?
Or otherwise trick you into it, in some pretty devious ways, like my blank Window that stays on top and won't go away. In the end, I have to click in the window - anywhere will do - and quickly kill the next window that pops up, because it is starting the upgrade process.. In the end, it only make sense - a company that downloads an operating system on your computer without your permission probably doesn't feel that they need your permission to do anything.
maybe you can clarify this mystery for me.
Today's windows updates when it damn well feels like it.
Or even tricks you into it. I have one machine that pops up a blank window, always on top. nothing in it. when you try to get rid of it, it starts to install W10.
Is it just an issue of mistrust?
Is what I just described the tactics of a trustworthy company? I fear Microsoft bitching up my computer more than any malware . Though some would consider that to be redundant.
T Not long after the Windows 10 mess started, that policy changed to install-nothing by default, and we just have someone review the security updates each patch day and make a list of any that it seems (a) we might actually need and (b) don't come bundled with anything else we don't want.
We had those sort of issues even back in XP+1 days - when Vista was the hot mess. Updates were always bitching something up, so meetings got interesting foro a while. Since I couldn't be in every conference room at once - especially since some of them wer my own meetings, I ended up having a couple "special laptops" that was offline most of the time, and when I did update them they were thourougly checked out.
It's pretty pathetic when you have to keep a computer off the network in order to keep it functioning. Even more pathetic that so many Windows fans seem to think this is SOP.
its called conditing. in short: dont be so nosey. the internet has captcha free pr0n for masses. join us and be freeeeee
Ohhhh beat it, mister.
I'm not sure why you cannot follow a thread but here you go
I can follow threads pretty well. I've just been trying to check the veracity of that statement. Not getting a lot either. Too often some guy on the internet spouts something and others lap it up from God's lips to their ears and declare it as a deal breaker?
There's no question that living with rechargeable devices is different than living with portable fuel devices. People might look at it in similar fashion to having cell/smartphones and at least in my case, a lot of rechargeable devices. Not too difficult, although the portable chargers for smartphones might indicate that some are not up to the task. Any inconvenience in plugging the car in is outweighed by not having to go to a gas station and pumping gas.
The reason I questioned the 80 percent figure versus 100 percent figure is that it doesn't seem to jibe with general battery maintenance. It won't do any harm, but the only advantage I can see is that the charge current goes down sharply as the battery approaches full charge, so the last 20 percent charges at a slower rate.
But my Li ion batteries go in at whatever state, I am at when I'm done, and they are stopped at 100 percent. I have some from 2006 ! that are still going pretty strong.
It's all magic anyways.. Well until the magic smoke escapes. BTW, about the guy who originally posted the 80%, I have known him to be wrong on opinions a bit but rarely wrong on facts. Perhaps you should ask him about this.
That's all I ask for. If this is a real thing it has to be in there in writing somewhere. And if this person is seldom wrong on the facts - well, I have no fear of being proven wrong.
Even if we had computing classes for 4th graders. It would not help. You cannot teach everybody coding. The kids will hate it. It could be even counter productive.
This! Coding (and how I am learning to hate the very word) as a requirement, seems to smack of the facetious Garrison Keillor ending to the Lake Wobegone stories:
"Where all the women are strong, the men are good looking, and all of the children are above average"
Even more than just being above average, it takes a particular mindset, and there really are not that many people who have it. And you start needing that mindset about the third page after you make your first "Hello World" program.
At it's very best, assuming that teaching coding to children with the idea that you are going to turn out a bunch of programmers is just as intelligent as assuming that by having phys-ed classes means you will turn out a bunch of professional athletes.
In both cases, the pros will be pros regardless of what you force on them, and there will be a significant subset that finds the whole thing just torture.
Though I suppose it would be funny to ask questions and interact with it until it gets bored with me and ignores me from then on until I get a new chatbot.
You can make jokes but she has a point...why would I give a shit about the GPL if I'm a company if I can just take the parts I want and claim fair use?
Why sould I worry about laws against murder? I can just shoot you dead and claim self defense.
That's Florida's Stand your ground laws. They work it would appear. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
Yeah yeah - I know - Huffpost
I'm wanting to know more about this gender-selective, life-extending-tumor causing radiation.
The question is not whether these results are right, but why they're wrong.
Wouldn't it be interesting though? Some folks might like that gender preference......
No, what he is saying is that checking the fuel gage when fueling to stop from over fueling the vehicle and having to be concerned with running a certain amount of fuel out before refueling instead of topping the tank of whenever it is convenient is the showstopper.
I want to see the specific text that says you are not supposed to charge over 80 percent. I've been searching without luck, and I suppose since you are the one with the know how about Teslas, You will have that cite.
I did however find that Tesla recommends that you keep them plugged in whenever you aren't driving. Makes sense. Apparently the Tesla knows that you are taking a trip the next day, so charges it to 100 percent, and also knows if you aren't. I wonder if it purposely drains the bttery down to 80 percent if it was qt 100.
They only information I found was regarding the charge times and how many miles per hour of charge time, and the superchargers half charge time, then how the time increases for the second half.
So anyhow, why do they say keep it at 80 percent when they say you should keep it on the charger? Seems a littl contradictory but I'm a bowling ball dropper. I am looking forward eagerly to the demand to do the 80/100 thing, and the damages that will result if a driver drives locally on a fully charged battery. Thanks in advance.
It would be for me too. I am not going to delay a trip or do extra driving because i have a 40% charge and will need 70% for my activities the next day.
What's even more amazing is that whatever bizzare battery maintenance Tesla demands cannot be handled by th echarging circuitry. Go figure
Did you read the comments at the end? The reviewer echos most of my comments.
He said it was shitty?
There's a reason we don't treat alcoholics with whiskey.
I suspect it's not a very good reason or a reason whose motivation is derived from Calvinistic moral calculus.
This is interesting. I don't drink very much, so can't comment on that addiction, but I can attest to the puritanical attitudes that believe that feeling good is a sin. After some sports injuries and on opiates for a short time, I do recall the burst of euphoria involved. So I understand that some could become addicted. I didn't become addicted, as so many others didn't, so it is more an issue of personality/physical makeup?
But our war on drugs has ruined more lives than the drugs themselves. What is worse, it creates a vehicle for people to make incredible sums of money and commit impressive amounts of violence. And doesn't do a damn thing about stopping access to the drugs.
So while an alcoholic might function quite well on controlled amounts of ethanol - and they do, I know I've worked with some very capable and professional alcoholics who were better employees than most - and there is nothing that small doses of opiates do that will incapacitate you, the concept of controlled access makes for people who are more likely to be productive citizens, and less likely to become a ward of the state.
What if we just acknowledged that alcoholics drink, and instead of trying to foist abstinence we instead eliminated the shame associated with "failing" to become a teetotaler and instead put some effort into just getting their drinking down to less-destructive levels?
would be a very interesting experiment. Expect a huge pushback from the Women's Christian Temperance Union H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Mothers against Drunk Driving, who have exposed their inner core beliefs since largely achieving their initial goal.
There were at least two NYTimes articles about this kind of thing in the past year, including a Dutch program that gave chronic alcoholics jobs *and* beer, providing them with structure that got them into a productive life cycle but acknowledged that they could drink, too? From the looks of it, it appeared to be fairly successful.
There are some people who are going to be a problem, and will be on a self destructive course, perhaps not much at all can be done to treat them. But those might be outliers? Who knows - certainly worth a try.
As well, one of the things I just recalled. My family was more European than American in my upbringing, and I had my tastes of beer and wine (usually watered down) as a child. So when I was in high school, and my friends were pretending to be adults, using the forbidden drink they could now sneak, I was largely meh, and thought them pretty ridiculous watching them stumble around and puke. It just wasn't something glamorous. But it worked.
Today, Child protective services would have put me in foster care. All the while making more alcoholics.
No it is microsofts job not to lie to their employees and governments. If you promise something you should do it.
Nokia was a great company until Microsoft tried to install Windows and it finally broke nokias phones.
The Finnish Government does not realize that American companies make money by getting rid of people. Lopping off ten thousand or so people is done with as much concern as changing the brand of towels in the toilet.
If the Finnish government didn't realize the MO of American companies it is their fault for entering into the deal. Its not like we make it a secret.
Checking the fuel gauge when you're not in the car.. that IS a pain.
I understand completely. Its so sad that if it is mandatory that you do this tht it is a problem that there is no technical solution to it. Go figure.
You seem to miss the point. I was responding to a comment that you can't just simply plug it in overnight... that you need to be concerned about it daily in how you charge it. I'm not concerned about my ICE daily. I check the oil once every few weeks, that's it.
what is unutterably inconvenient and a show stopper for you is about as big a pain as checking the fuel gauge. this is pretty much a case of you just have a boner for electric vehicles don't you?