That's why websites are so anxious to sell whatever piece of your attention span they can muster to advertisers. That's why web page advertisements constantly try to hook and reel in your attention.
And that's how we get Honey Boo, Little people who own pawnshops and cut logs in swamps, and in their spare time hunt alligators.
Because as time has moved on, the stupid people have gained access to technology that only smart people once used, and lo and behold.....Twitter!
People such as myself still have the attention span we used to, and the interent becomes a treasure trove for our personal research
The stupid, or those who have a shorter attention span than a goldfish http://time.com/3858309/attent... are there to consume facebook and twitter, and all the other internet venues that cater to this sort.
The pity is that the pruveyors of this utter shit seem to think that the condition is universal, hence the death of intelligent entertainment.
Anyone who would interpret that as harassment is insane, and why the flaming fuck in the box would she wear perfume if not to be noticed?
Come now, that's almost self-answering. She wanted it to be noticed... by someone else.
I remember a case on a daytime court show where a woman's defense for not paying rent or something was that the landlord sexually harassed her.
His crime? He asked her out on a date.
Judge asked her what his response was when she declined - she said the landlord said Okay, and that was the end of it.
The judge noted that if asking a person out was sexual harassment, the human race would soon disappear.
The scary part was that in talking with peanut gallery members at least half of the women said if a guy asked you out on a date, and you didn't want to go, that did contstitute harassment.
For everyone like you, there is someone else like you. That means everyone else must be more competitive which directly translates to more hours for less pay which can add stress to already stressed people.
Ah yes - the jealous co-worker, who gets pissed at me because my presence means they cannot fuck off all day, because I make them "look" bad.
Sorry, but that's just a game of the laziest bastard controls the output, and a fine way to go out of business.
I've worked with a few people like you. Unfortunately they were eventually given all the time off.
Consider that if you look at your employer as the enemy, there is a good chance they'll consider you the enemy as well.
It's the same with being on-call in an IT-support gig. Some people are happy to carry a pager and responded to it now and then, others for some reason that I don't understand get really stressed by it and feel on edge the whole time the pager is on their belt.
Some folks, including the ones I'm going to get roasted by for my comment here, are deathly afraid that they will do too much work. Honestagawd - I knew a person early on in my career who wouldn't take a dump over lunch because he wanted to save it for company time. That kind of person will bd stressed if they accidentally work until 5:01 p.m.
I've worked lots of extra hours, and it didn't bother me a bit unless I just got too physically tired and started making mistakes. So very seldom stressful. A lot of times I was having fun.
And there is the distinction between professional and semi-professional.
Someone or many here are going to reply to my post bragging about how they only work 40 hours, and nothing more.
That's fine, they are a wage laborer.
I saw many of these folk in my day, never giving anything extra, always worried they "gave" too much. And despite what they think, it's reflected in their pay. And when time comes to cut staff, they are the first to go.
I don't suggest everyone do as I do, in fact, in a competitive workplace, I'm fine with those who can't be bothered to do anything extra. Makes me all the more valuable and well paid.
This reminded of the only time in my working life that I was reported for harassment.
I was coming out of my office (CIO medium-size medical foundation) just as a woman from another department passed, trailing a nice perfume. (I knew her by sight only)
'Nice smell', I said and went on about my business.
And she walked directly into HR and filed a harassment complaint.
Which is exactly why if you do not know the woman, you have to treat her as a hand grenade with the pin pulled.
Anyone who would interpret that as harassment is insane, and why the flaming fuck in the box would she wear perfume if not to be noticed?
Ha! I am not the only one. I'm actually rather fond of talk radio but I usually find myself listening to NPR. I'm not so naive as to say that they are not without bias but, I digress and that's immaterial.
The issue of bias in news is interesting. There is so much going on in the world, that merely picking what to report on reveals some bias.
See, I sometimes find myself listening to things like Fox News Radio or whatever they call it. The thing is, I'm pretty sure that they don't actually understand *why* I'm listening. Oh, I'd sure as hell not count on it for being unbiased, accurate, or even news. I listen to it because it's colorful and damned good entertainment.
Oh yeah. Where I eat breakfast in the morning they often have Fox on. And it is trememdously entertaining. I'm proud to sy I witnessed live, the expert who delclared solar energy in the US a failure, but a success in Germany was due to Germany being a sunnier place. Damn near lost it. I didn'nt hav eht eexact numbers, but was tring to imagine the black forest regin as sunnier the Nevada or south coastal California. Tuenr out that Germany gets about as much insolation as south coastal Alaska, where we wouldn't even think to put up a solar array, but they are doing it and pretty well - but I digress.
It's funnier than hell to hear some of the opinion shows, listen to the folks call in, and then listen to their talking heads have a discussion on deep subjects such as politics, science, religion, or current events.
It's a great source of entertainment when you're driving, late at night, on a desolate highway with nothing but the mile markers to keep you company. The missus, snuggled up in her seat, and some guy telling me that the Democrats are all lizard people who eat the brains of good Christian children as a delicacy. The best part is that it's free entertainment!
I tend toward the religion stations myself. Used to try to check out Howard Camping as much as possible - He was the guy who predicted the end of the world in 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... What a hoot he was.
I was in asteakhouse in Dayton Ohio with a group of friends that day, and we told the waitress she couldn't give us our check until after 5:00 when the world was supposed to end. We counted down with a number of other patrons, and by golly - we were still there!
But os many interesting moments on Religion radio, complete with pastors ripping up their shirts and will send oyu a scrap of it for a donation of course, blessed oil, and my favorite minister, Peter Popoff sending you vials od god powered water that will make you wealthy.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, the Democrats are equally stupid but I hold them to a higher standard because they claim they are more intelligent and they, at least, ought to know better than to do some of what they do.
None are that awesome, but I find the crucial difference Is Democrats are willing to compromise. Mind you, I'm a Goldwater type conservative, which means most of the present day Republicans think I'm a liberal.
The next best thing is some crazy guy that I sometimes find on AM radio. I don't know his name but I'm pretty sure he's convinced there are aliens everywhere, people living in the hollow earth, and that we're all just mice in a cage so that the Master Race can study us. Great entertainment!
Art Bell Coast to coast maybe? He has a lot of off the wall stuff on his show.
I have an idea for starters. How about, to start, that all sexual abuse and harassment will be considered strictly unacceptable?
Define that. In my first sexual harassment class back in the late 80's, a fellow asked the counselor what sexual harassment was defined as.
Her answer? "Anything any woman thinks is sexual harassment - is sexual harassment.
As you might imagine, a hush fell over the room. How does one have any interaction with a woman if she can interpret "hello" as sexual harassment?
I did ask a coworker what she considered as harassment - she said "It depends". Keep in mind this was a woman who used to find it funny to goose me when I was using a glove box and couldn't move or get hy hands loose.
But back to our counselor we were told that remarks on how the woman looked, saying we liked her jewelry, or her dress, or her hairstyle, or any mention of anything physical or anything that could be interpreted as sexual in nature would very likely result in us getting fired.
Know what effect that had on most every man there? We avoided women like the plague. We made certain that nothing other than business was discussed when we absolutely had to deal with them, and we very often made certain to have a witness along with us.
Know what effect that had on the assholes? None.
Want to know what effect that had on 99 percent of the women there? Pissed them off royally. Our staff assistant had the dirtiest mind I've ever known. Silly small talk. She was devastated when the guys started avoiding her. Because despite what a few folks think, women actually think about sex, talk about sex, and make jokes about it.
Some years later, after seeing the unproductive chill this had put on campus inter-gender relations, not to mention actual real cases remained unchanged in number, these draconian guidelines were relaxed a good bit.
I'm not certain if the incident had anything to do with the change of heart, but not too long before this happened, one of the machinists was taken to task because someone saw in his toolbox, a photograph of a cheerleader. Since photographs of women in cute little outfits were considered harassment of other women, he was turned into HR.
The offensive photograph that was so demeaning to women and considered sexual harassment? It was a photo of his daughter, who had made the high school cheerleading team. He did note that if he was disciplined, he was going to take it to the legal system, as denying hime to post a school photo of his daughter, not unlike the ones the HR people had on their desks, surely looked like discrimination.
So be careful what you ask for. In your ideal world where women cannot hear anything regarding sex, you could end up with...http://feminist.org/education/SexSegregation.asp
There's at least one (who shall remain nameless) who has told me that she knows at least two women who were chased out of the industry.
Which, fine, I can believe that it happens.
Could be. One of the things I have found with people who were chased out or fired or otherwise gone, is they almost always have a fine and sad story of their mistreatment.
Hell I had one guy who I had to let go after he missed deadline after deadline. We kept him on staff for a year after hiring a replacement because I didn't want to just get rid of him without a chance for him to get a new job, which cost me brownie points, but to hear him talk I was the worst asshole on the planet.
The most amazing thing to me is that people buy that crap. The guy who replaced him also had a business on the side, and he took on the guy as an equal partner in his business. I pled with him to reconsider it, but he thought he was going to "show me" the mistake I made in getting rid of the fine fellow.
Dude drove him right out of business in a year.
Your background story has credibility, because there's always crap in work. And successful people put up with it, and/or fight it in an intelligent manner. People who are let go, which might be called "chased out" probably had an active part in their departure, despite what they tell us. Their background stories often don't pass the sniff test.
Nobody says all. I write, at the link, a "vocal minority". But I would like to know how we got folks like the ones who abused the late Telsa Gwynne. A person I met long ago and really liked, and wife to Alan Cox. Not anyone unreasonable. Still driven out of the community.
THe same way my wife got asked by other women if she laid her boss to get her job - although a lot of the bull was done in manner of backstabbing. The same women where I worked who hated any woman who was in a higher position than they were.
Couple questions:
If a woman can be dissuaded by a dongle joke or a playboy model's face - both examples of how men are driving women from IT right here on this site - does it not follow that if another woman makes fun of her because she isn't "cool" that she wil quit just as easily?
Question two - How about a dissertation why males have virtually deserted the veterinary field?
Question three Do you want to fix the problem?
Question four - Is your conviction so strong that if you find out that much of the problem comes from women, are you willing to buck the trend of blaming all problems on men? Because once you do, you will be dirt in many women's eyes.
I do have some manner of street cred in this area, having worked in efforts to recruit women into STEM careers. Largely ineffective, by the way. Our polling of th eyoung ladies that came to mass events like "Take our Son's and daughters to work day" - which was ostensibly not gender based, but anyone paying attention knew that the main thrust was to attract young ladies to STEM.
The polling? The closest to a technical field was young ladies who wanted to be veternarians. Most however, wanted to get MBA's or become lawyers. More young ladies wanted to become "pop stars" than engineers or CS majors.
Now you want to talk about fields with some nasty sexual antics going on? Business? They still do have "escorts" to spend quality time with visiting suits. You know what those escorts are doing? Lawyers? Yikes! Pop stars? They don't say "Sex, drugs, and Rock and Roll" for nothing.
But no, it's pretty obvious that one dongle joke can cause a young lady who had a driving passion to simply drop it, and leave that bin of sexist and harassing male pigs in IT, and go for a job in a clean field like Law or business. Or becoming a Pop Star..
Perhaps most women are just not as interested in programming as a group if they have to dig that deep for excuses.
Asshollery has a strong positive correlation to the Y chromosome and testosterone.
Sorry, as someone who knows/has known literally thousands of women in my lifetime, I call "bullshit".
Beat me to it.
A male tends to be more aggressive by virtue of the extra testosterone we carry around, but that in no way is a marker for being a jerk. Women do just as well in the jerk department as do males.
This matter ain't a-goin nowhere until we realize this is a people issue.
Having friends and co-workers who are successful people who happen to be female, I've gotten few of the now pervasive "Men are fucking assholes" from any of them.
In fact, while they have met men who are assholes, to a woman they declare the man an asshole - not men .
What is universal among their experience is that a lot of the resistance and discouragement they get is from other women. Which sadly enough has caused several of them to associate almost totally with male cohorts, in large part because they got tired of the "Who did she lay to get that job?" comments from other women.
And heaven help the poor woman if she is also attractive!. Two of these women (disclaimer - one is my wife) are pretty attractive, and there are plenty of women who simply hate you for that. My wife, who is also tall and slender, has had women come up to her in the street tellng her they hate her for her looks, and the other woman, a fine engineer, is also a fitness buff and remarkably beautiful as well - has taken so much guff from the other women at work that she's one of the ones I noted, avoid other women now. And why not? The men at work treated her as an equal even if they appreciated her beauty at the same time. And woe onto anyone who disrespects her.
All of which led me to conclude that there are men who are jerks. All of this led me to conclude that there are women who are jerks as well.
But here we are, in this dysfunctional state where there is no fault but men's fault, where whatever any woman says is the unaasailble truth.
But here's the thing. There is a definite gender ratio difference in male/female in IT. Does this mean that all men or all men in IT are jerks? If so, in the field of veterinary medicine, which is almost exclusivley female now, does it then follow that all women or all women in veterinary field are jerks? Does it mean that there is some aspect of gender that attracts mostly males to IT? Some aspect of gender that attracts overwhemingly females to veterinary medicine?
Thes questions make some folks very uncomfortable. And anyone who tries to tapdance some bullshit that female veternarians are saints and men all dropped out of the field because they are assholes is displaying grade A assholeism themselves.
Do we want to actually solve the problem if there is one? Blaming all problems on men is like a person looking for their lost keys under a streetlamp where the light is good, rather than in an unlit area, where they knew they actually lost them.
If we want to fix this problem - if it is a problem based on discrimination or maltreatment, it must be acknowledged that it is not simply a male problem.
Because to ignore that simply won't fix the issue - it just won't.
You jest, but I was listening on the radio this past week to a denier denying that dinosaurs ever existed. So I'm pretty certain thaere are a fair number of people out there that don't believe in comets.
Its almost funny, this ascendency of personal incredulity in America these days. The entire concept is based on declaring the stupidest person in the room the winner.
And some folks have a pretty valid reason for worrying. Here in the days of backlash to third wave feminism, there are a lot of men who have pretty much given up on women. But they still have a sex drive. So a very realistic sex doll might have a powerful attraction to many men. And many women, will presumably be further empowered by men ignoring them completely.
Now there are some issues, such as women ted to have a reproduction drive, also present in males, but to a lesser extent. Perhaps men can donate sperm as we do with plasma today.
But without worrying about things like child support, divorce settlements, and all the other messy situations in normal coupling/breakup between real people, a lot of folks might just find a personal robot a easier and cheaper alternative.
If you want to that gets happy, or sad, when it sees you, get a dog.
Happy? Yes. Sad? No. Dogs don't do sad, unless someone has died. Dogs power down but are otherwise in the moment most of the time. Amazing companions and partners, actually.
Dogs have this amazing power - at least they think so, that if the crouch down and look really contrite, they become invisible.
One more thing about dogs, is shown by this comparison.
Take your wife, and lock her in a closet. Now take your dog, and lock it in a closet.
And how - I've personally saved two young ladies who were texting and walking out into traffic. Both gave me a nasty look at first, then realized the situation and thanked me.
That could be the beginning of an excellent Penthouse Forum story.
Hehe..... I don't usually write letters to the forum, but the most amazing thing happened to me the other day...........
Brat - you got me thinking - they were both cute...
Slashdot Mirror
That's why websites are so anxious to sell whatever piece of your attention span they can muster to advertisers. That's why web page advertisements constantly try to hook and reel in your attention.
And that's how we get Honey Boo, Little people who own pawnshops and cut logs in swamps, and in their spare time hunt alligators.
Because as time has moved on, the stupid people have gained access to technology that only smart people once used, and lo and behold.....Twitter!
People such as myself still have the attention span we used to, and the interent becomes a treasure trove for our personal research
The stupid, or those who have a shorter attention span than a goldfish http://time.com/3858309/attent... are there to consume facebook and twitter, and all the other internet venues that cater to this sort.
The pity is that the pruveyors of this utter shit seem to think that the condition is universal, hence the death of intelligent entertainment.
Even allowing for that - when someone uses a phrase as ridiculous as "incestuous words", it serves as a warning flag .
I saw a porn named that once.
With that much excessively verbose pomposity in the summary, the article must be insufferable.
Methings the learned scholar is taking great umbrage at this perfidy, and possibly needs gruntled.
Come now, that's almost self-answering. She wanted it to be noticed... by someone else.
I remember a case on a daytime court show where a woman's defense for not paying rent or something was that the landlord sexually harassed her.
His crime? He asked her out on a date.
Judge asked her what his response was when she declined - she said the landlord said Okay, and that was the end of it.
The judge noted that if asking a person out was sexual harassment, the human race would soon disappear.
The scary part was that in talking with peanut gallery members at least half of the women said if a guy asked you out on a date, and you didn't want to go, that did contstitute harassment.
Because you enjoy it.
For everyone like you, there is someone else like you. That means everyone else must be more competitive which directly translates to more hours for less pay which can add stress to already stressed people.
Ah yes - the jealous co-worker, who gets pissed at me because my presence means they cannot fuck off all day, because I make them "look" bad.
Sorry, but that's just a game of the laziest bastard controls the output, and a fine way to go out of business.
I've worked with a few people like you. Unfortunately they were eventually given all the time off.
Consider that if you look at your employer as the enemy, there is a good chance they'll consider you the enemy as well.
It's the same with being on-call in an IT-support gig. Some people are happy to carry a pager and responded to it now and then, others for some reason that I don't understand get really stressed by it and feel on edge the whole time the pager is on their belt.
Some folks, including the ones I'm going to get roasted by for my comment here, are deathly afraid that they will do too much work. Honestagawd - I knew a person early on in my career who wouldn't take a dump over lunch because he wanted to save it for company time. That kind of person will bd stressed if they accidentally work until 5:01 p.m.
I've worked lots of extra hours, and it didn't bother me a bit unless I just got too physically tired and started making mistakes. So very seldom stressful. A lot of times I was having fun.
And there is the distinction between professional and semi-professional.
Someone or many here are going to reply to my post bragging about how they only work 40 hours, and nothing more.
That's fine, they are a wage laborer.
I saw many of these folk in my day, never giving anything extra, always worried they "gave" too much. And despite what they think, it's reflected in their pay. And when time comes to cut staff, they are the first to go.
I don't suggest everyone do as I do, in fact, in a competitive workplace, I'm fine with those who can't be bothered to do anything extra. Makes me all the more valuable and well paid.
This reminded of the only time in my working life that I was reported for harassment. I was coming out of my office (CIO medium-size medical foundation) just as a woman from another department passed, trailing a nice perfume. (I knew her by sight only) 'Nice smell', I said and went on about my business. And she walked directly into HR and filed a harassment complaint.
Which is exactly why if you do not know the woman, you have to treat her as a hand grenade with the pin pulled.
Anyone who would interpret that as harassment is insane, and why the flaming fuck in the box would she wear perfume if not to be noticed?
Ha! I am not the only one. I'm actually rather fond of talk radio but I usually find myself listening to NPR. I'm not so naive as to say that they are not without bias but, I digress and that's immaterial.
The issue of bias in news is interesting. There is so much going on in the world, that merely picking what to report on reveals some bias.
See, I sometimes find myself listening to things like Fox News Radio or whatever they call it. The thing is, I'm pretty sure that they don't actually understand *why* I'm listening. Oh, I'd sure as hell not count on it for being unbiased, accurate, or even news. I listen to it because it's colorful and damned good entertainment. Oh yeah. Where I eat breakfast in the morning they often have Fox on. And it is trememdously entertaining. I'm proud to sy I witnessed live, the expert who delclared solar energy in the US a failure, but a success in Germany was due to Germany being a sunnier place. Damn near lost it. I didn'nt hav eht eexact numbers, but was tring to imagine the black forest regin as sunnier the Nevada or south coastal California. Tuenr out that Germany gets about as much insolation as south coastal Alaska, where we wouldn't even think to put up a solar array, but they are doing it and pretty well - but I digress.
It's funnier than hell to hear some of the opinion shows, listen to the folks call in, and then listen to their talking heads have a discussion on deep subjects such as politics, science, religion, or current events.
It's a great source of entertainment when you're driving, late at night, on a desolate highway with nothing but the mile markers to keep you company. The missus, snuggled up in her seat, and some guy telling me that the Democrats are all lizard people who eat the brains of good Christian children as a delicacy. The best part is that it's free entertainment!
I tend toward the religion stations myself. Used to try to check out Howard Camping as much as possible - He was the guy who predicted the end of the world in 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... What a hoot he was.
I was in asteakhouse in Dayton Ohio with a group of friends that day, and we told the waitress she couldn't give us our check until after 5:00 when the world was supposed to end. We counted down with a number of other patrons, and by golly - we were still there!
But os many interesting moments on Religion radio, complete with pastors ripping up their shirts and will send oyu a scrap of it for a donation of course, blessed oil, and my favorite minister, Peter Popoff sending you vials od god powered water that will make you wealthy.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, the Democrats are equally stupid but I hold them to a higher standard because they claim they are more intelligent and they, at least, ought to know better than to do some of what they do.
None are that awesome, but I find the crucial difference Is Democrats are willing to compromise. Mind you, I'm a Goldwater type conservative, which means most of the present day Republicans think I'm a liberal.
The next best thing is some crazy guy that I sometimes find on AM radio. I don't know his name but I'm pretty sure he's convinced there are aliens everywhere, people living in the hollow earth, and that we're all just mice in a cage so that the Master Race can study us. Great entertainment!
Art Bell Coast to coast maybe? He has a lot of off the wall stuff on his show.
I have an idea for starters. How about, to start, that all sexual abuse and harassment will be considered strictly unacceptable?
Define that. In my first sexual harassment class back in the late 80's, a fellow asked the counselor what sexual harassment was defined as.
Her answer? "Anything any woman thinks is sexual harassment - is sexual harassment.
As you might imagine, a hush fell over the room. How does one have any interaction with a woman if she can interpret "hello" as sexual harassment?
I did ask a coworker what she considered as harassment - she said "It depends". Keep in mind this was a woman who used to find it funny to goose me when I was using a glove box and couldn't move or get hy hands loose.
But back to our counselor we were told that remarks on how the woman looked, saying we liked her jewelry, or her dress, or her hairstyle, or any mention of anything physical or anything that could be interpreted as sexual in nature would very likely result in us getting fired.
Know what effect that had on most every man there? We avoided women like the plague. We made certain that nothing other than business was discussed when we absolutely had to deal with them, and we very often made certain to have a witness along with us.
Know what effect that had on the assholes? None.
Want to know what effect that had on 99 percent of the women there? Pissed them off royally. Our staff assistant had the dirtiest mind I've ever known. Silly small talk. She was devastated when the guys started avoiding her. Because despite what a few folks think, women actually think about sex, talk about sex, and make jokes about it.
Some years later, after seeing the unproductive chill this had put on campus inter-gender relations, not to mention actual real cases remained unchanged in number, these draconian guidelines were relaxed a good bit.
I'm not certain if the incident had anything to do with the change of heart, but not too long before this happened, one of the machinists was taken to task because someone saw in his toolbox, a photograph of a cheerleader. Since photographs of women in cute little outfits were considered harassment of other women, he was turned into HR.
The offensive photograph that was so demeaning to women and considered sexual harassment? It was a photo of his daughter, who had made the high school cheerleading team. He did note that if he was disciplined, he was going to take it to the legal system, as denying hime to post a school photo of his daughter, not unlike the ones the HR people had on their desks, surely looked like discrimination.
So be careful what you ask for. In your ideal world where women cannot hear anything regarding sex, you could end up with...http://feminist.org/education/SexSegregation.asp
or http://www.tolerance.org/magaz...
https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f...
http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-co...
or even.....http://www.relativityonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/12653311_img9939.jpg
Don't like writing in paragraph form, eh?
That's not true, actually.
There's at least one (who shall remain nameless) who has told me that she knows at least two women who were chased out of the industry.
Which, fine, I can believe that it happens.
Could be. One of the things I have found with people who were chased out or fired or otherwise gone, is they almost always have a fine and sad story of their mistreatment.
Hell I had one guy who I had to let go after he missed deadline after deadline. We kept him on staff for a year after hiring a replacement because I didn't want to just get rid of him without a chance for him to get a new job, which cost me brownie points, but to hear him talk I was the worst asshole on the planet.
The most amazing thing to me is that people buy that crap. The guy who replaced him also had a business on the side, and he took on the guy as an equal partner in his business. I pled with him to reconsider it, but he thought he was going to "show me" the mistake I made in getting rid of the fine fellow.
Dude drove him right out of business in a year.
Your background story has credibility, because there's always crap in work. And successful people put up with it, and/or fight it in an intelligent manner. People who are let go, which might be called "chased out" probably had an active part in their departure, despite what they tell us. Their background stories often don't pass the sniff test.
Mostly because of the generally non-nice, aggressive, "it's all your fault" way that it was put.
Because there are people out there who believe that all problems are all men's fault. You would not expect them to voice their opinion?
It's not a gender thing. It's a raging a-hole thing.
Because a lot of humans are assholes.
This will probably come as a shock to everyone, but there are people out there who even think I'm an asshole.
Nobody says all. I write, at the link, a "vocal minority". But I would like to know how we got folks like the ones who abused the late Telsa Gwynne. A person I met long ago and really liked, and wife to Alan Cox. Not anyone unreasonable. Still driven out of the community.
THe same way my wife got asked by other women if she laid her boss to get her job - although a lot of the bull was done in manner of backstabbing. The same women where I worked who hated any woman who was in a higher position than they were.
Couple questions:
If a woman can be dissuaded by a dongle joke or a playboy model's face - both examples of how men are driving women from IT right here on this site - does it not follow that if another woman makes fun of her because she isn't "cool" that she wil quit just as easily?
Question two - How about a dissertation why males have virtually deserted the veterinary field?
Question three Do you want to fix the problem?
Question four - Is your conviction so strong that if you find out that much of the problem comes from women, are you willing to buck the trend of blaming all problems on men? Because once you do, you will be dirt in many women's eyes.
I do have some manner of street cred in this area, having worked in efforts to recruit women into STEM careers. Largely ineffective, by the way. Our polling of th eyoung ladies that came to mass events like "Take our Son's and daughters to work day" - which was ostensibly not gender based, but anyone paying attention knew that the main thrust was to attract young ladies to STEM.
The polling? The closest to a technical field was young ladies who wanted to be veternarians. Most however, wanted to get MBA's or become lawyers. More young ladies wanted to become "pop stars" than engineers or CS majors.
Now you want to talk about fields with some nasty sexual antics going on? Business? They still do have "escorts" to spend quality time with visiting suits. You know what those escorts are doing? Lawyers? Yikes! Pop stars? They don't say "Sex, drugs, and Rock and Roll" for nothing.
But no, it's pretty obvious that one dongle joke can cause a young lady who had a driving passion to simply drop it, and leave that bin of sexist and harassing male pigs in IT, and go for a job in a clean field like Law or business. Or becoming a Pop Star..
Perhaps most women are just not as interested in programming as a group if they have to dig that deep for excuses.
Asshollery has a strong positive correlation to the Y chromosome and testosterone.
Sorry, as someone who knows/has known literally thousands of women in my lifetime, I call "bullshit".
Beat me to it.
A male tends to be more aggressive by virtue of the extra testosterone we carry around, but that in no way is a marker for being a jerk. Women do just as well in the jerk department as do males.
This matter ain't a-goin nowhere until we realize this is a people issue.
Having friends and co-workers who are successful people who happen to be female, I've gotten few of the now pervasive "Men are fucking assholes" from any of them.
In fact, while they have met men who are assholes, to a woman they declare the man an asshole - not men .
What is universal among their experience is that a lot of the resistance and discouragement they get is from other women. Which sadly enough has caused several of them to associate almost totally with male cohorts, in large part because they got tired of the "Who did she lay to get that job?" comments from other women.
And heaven help the poor woman if she is also attractive!. Two of these women (disclaimer - one is my wife) are pretty attractive, and there are plenty of women who simply hate you for that. My wife, who is also tall and slender, has had women come up to her in the street tellng her they hate her for her looks, and the other woman, a fine engineer, is also a fitness buff and remarkably beautiful as well - has taken so much guff from the other women at work that she's one of the ones I noted, avoid other women now. And why not? The men at work treated her as an equal even if they appreciated her beauty at the same time. And woe onto anyone who disrespects her.
All of which led me to conclude that there are men who are jerks. All of this led me to conclude that there are women who are jerks as well.
But here we are, in this dysfunctional state where there is no fault but men's fault, where whatever any woman says is the unaasailble truth.
But here's the thing. There is a definite gender ratio difference in male/female in IT. Does this mean that all men or all men in IT are jerks? If so, in the field of veterinary medicine, which is almost exclusivley female now, does it then follow that all women or all women in veterinary field are jerks? Does it mean that there is some aspect of gender that attracts mostly males to IT? Some aspect of gender that attracts overwhemingly females to veterinary medicine?
Thes questions make some folks very uncomfortable. And anyone who tries to tapdance some bullshit that female veternarians are saints and men all dropped out of the field because they are assholes is displaying grade A assholeism themselves.
Do we want to actually solve the problem if there is one? Blaming all problems on men is like a person looking for their lost keys under a streetlamp where the light is good, rather than in an unlit area, where they knew they actually lost them.
If we want to fix this problem - if it is a problem based on discrimination or maltreatment, it must be acknowledged that it is not simply a male problem.
Because to ignore that simply won't fix the issue - it just won't.
Heh... You're older than I am. You old bastard!
And someone modded my post "off topic". Hehehe, those young whippersnappers don't know what awaits 'em......
Yeah so all the people trying to modify the constitution to make it illegal for George Lucas to have free speech can go fuck themselves.
Yes, but have you SEEN the Phantom Menace?
Not the whole way though. Tried 3 times, and fell asleep every time. Incredibly lame.
Those Repukians deny that comets exist.
You jest, but I was listening on the radio this past week to a denier denying that dinosaurs ever existed. So I'm pretty certain thaere are a fair number of people out there that don't believe in comets.
Its almost funny, this ascendency of personal incredulity in America these days. The entire concept is based on declaring the stupidest person in the room the winner.
"Windows 95 is 20 years old, and is still in use today." That doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it?
My Tallywhacker is 60 years old, and still in use today.
No ring or nuthin on it.
I really don't think we need to be giving robots human-like skin and noodley appendages.
It's like one of those Halloween manikins that people put in their yards that are motion activated.... makes me jump every time...
Except that the world is going to head that way.
There is a lot of discussion over so called "sex robots" and it has some folks a litle worried.
http://philosophicaldisquisiti...
http://campaignagainstsexrobot...
There is lots more.
And some folks have a pretty valid reason for worrying. Here in the days of backlash to third wave feminism, there are a lot of men who have pretty much given up on women. But they still have a sex drive. So a very realistic sex doll might have a powerful attraction to many men. And many women, will presumably be further empowered by men ignoring them completely.
Now there are some issues, such as women ted to have a reproduction drive, also present in males, but to a lesser extent. Perhaps men can donate sperm as we do with plasma today.
But without worrying about things like child support, divorce settlements, and all the other messy situations in normal coupling/breakup between real people, a lot of folks might just find a personal robot a easier and cheaper alternative.
Happy? Yes. Sad? No. Dogs don't do sad, unless someone has died. Dogs power down but are otherwise in the moment most of the time. Amazing companions and partners, actually.
Dogs have this amazing power - at least they think so, that if the crouch down and look really contrite, they become invisible.
One more thing about dogs, is shown by this comparison.
Take your wife, and lock her in a closet. Now take your dog, and lock it in a closet.
Come back 15 minutes later and open the door.
Which one is going to be happy to see you?
Dawn Dish Detergent is the ticket.
Nope, I cannot.
They both went right back to testing, however
Sound like they failed.
Damned autocorrect!
That could be the beginning of an excellent Penthouse Forum story.
Hehe..... I don't usually write letters to the forum, but the most amazing thing happened to me the other day...........
Brat - you got me thinking - they were both cute...