I will never consider using Gentoo again until they bump the ebuild version when a change is made to the ebuild script. This lack of versioning is disgusting and can be the cause of serious problems. Use FreeBSD. They bump the patch version of a port when any change is made to the Makefile.
Quarts is specific to OS X's WindowServer. Any graphical apps running on NetBSD through Darwin emulation would probably be drawing to an X11 display. By linking to the GNUstep libraries, you would be providing the OpenStep 5 API while drawing using something like X11 shared memory. In any case, i doubt you would be using Quarts to draw stuff on NetBSD.
I am a bit sketchy on Dreyfus's comment about NetBSD/Darwin compatibility requiring a Mac OS X user license. Darwin contains most of Mac OS X except the WindowServer and GUI friends. A license should not be required until the WindowServer is functional which would then require the shared libraries for the GUI. If GNUstep ever really takes off, it should be possible to build a WindowServer workalike on a Darwin machine and distribute its libraries allong with the Darwin shared libraries. This would make a rather cool, free replacement for Mac OS X or Darwin on PPC.
I bought the hardware. nVidia provides software to support that hardware. Their coders still get to eat because software is not nVidia's primary product. Now let's try and count how many people code at a company that produces software as a primary product.
WTF? Linux has supported 3DNow! for some time now. It also support other, more modern extensions to the x86 instruction set like SSE and SSE2. Does anyone else find it a little odd for this note to exist?
Lets not forget that nVidia has had their driver out for years. Before all of this DRI fuddy-duddy. Back in the XFree86 3.x days. Hell, I'll be supprised if the text console works with the ATI drivers.
Why not use Plan9 which talks VESA to most graphics hardware. You definitely wont have GL support, it'll be really slow, and you wont have any idea how to use the base system. But at least you'll have Glenda, the Plan9 bunny as your mascott.
My problem is that the Linux comunity bashes nVidia for providing a couple object files with glue code. You can change the glue code. There are a ton of Linux developers that dont think that tinkering with the glue code to make things work is worth their time because its ultimately closed source software. I'm just glad that nVidia released drivers for a community that apreciates it. Its really an issue of open source projects working with closed source projects in order to provide support for more hardware. I sure as hell dont want to be limited to a 286 with EGA graphics without network support.
The GPL was a good thing for the time. It was an extreme solution at a time when software licensing was also extreme. The GPL will ultimately end up killing itself because there is only so much software that it can infect. If all software were under the GPL, there would be alot of slashdotters who couldnt afford to eat because they would have no job. If you dont like the fact that we live in an economy which relies on $, then you'd better try colonizing one of the moons of Jupiter, because last I heard communism isnt exactly thriving on this planet.
Good god, I really wish that people would get over this portage crap. It's just a rip off of the BSD port trees. You can do the same with debian by using source packages, and yes, it handles dependencies. Use an OS with a well defined base system. I'll give you two minor releases before you shoot yourself in the foot. You know why?
Because gentoo doesn't always update the patch level for an ebuild script when a change is made.
Maybe we'd all be better off if we used Plan9, where the computer itself is considered a legacy device.
Thats what I'm doing. Then I'll be able to use the fastest video card on the face of the planet on FreeBSD, because binary drivers don't suck anywhere near as much as people suggest.
RMS is a commie. You think his software license is the coolest thing since Plan9, so you want to be just like him bashing these big corporations and their closed source software. You want to buy a modern video card and use it within the next decade. Do you see a contradiction here?
[daver@tombstone:~]$ whois spamarchive.org [snip]
Owner, Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
Guru Rajan (ID00024772)
11475 Great Oak Way
Suite 210
Alpharetta, GA 30022
us
Phone: +1.6789699399
Email: guru.rajan@ciphertrust.com
Dude, i could have registered a simlar domain and put up a comparable web page within a matter of hours. I hope they really exist.
Wouldnt it be great if the submit email address was forwarded to someone's ex girlfriend? Thats the ultimate form of revenge...
1) Register domain name. 2) Put up web page advertising some kind of anti-spam database. 3) Forward all email sent to the submit address to someone you dont like. 4) Get slashdotted.
The end result is that three million people send 100 spams the first hour to the submit address. Within a short amount of time, your foe has 300 million emails in his/her mailbox. Now that's spam.
Well, grandma doesnt even know what a computer is, so i dont have to worry too much about her.
Lets not forget that my ingenious method would prevent me from opening up a hotmail account and emailing my friends, pretending to be someone else, so that i can try to figure out how they _REALLY_ feel about me. You couldnt be a child any more...
Maybe i should set this up myself, so that none of my family members are technically capable of emailing me. The only person who could figure out how to talk to me is my friend james... and he can deliver messages from beth... Yeah, thats everyone who matters. From this moment on, crypto signed email!
I would have no problem with public crypto. If a message isnt cryptographically signed by someone who you care about, then you could just nuke it. I'd be all for this.
I started using gentoo about a month ago because FreeBSD didnt have GLX drivers for nVidia cards. I changed back to FreeBSD as soon as this happened.
I find it kind of bothersome that 'gentoolkit' is not mentioned in the Portage User Guide, but there are about sixty words that discuss it at the end of the Portage Manual which is over 6000 words. I would think that there should be a good argument that this should be in the base system, if gentoo had one. And why has 'etc-update' been moved out of the 'base system' and into portage?
Maybe im just too used to the way that FreeBSD does stuff. I would hate it if FreeBSD used the ports tree for the base system. But that would be impossible because there is a lot of code that wouldnt exist if it wasnt in the FreeBSD CVS tree.
Maybe i'll do gentoo again in the future, but definitely not now. Yes, it does do ports, but the ports tools are far from complete and almost useless. You can install a port using the portage tool 'emerge', but once it is installed there is no way to manage your installed ports. FreeBSD has a good variety of package management frontends. The pkg_* tools let you manipulate binary packages. The ports tree is based off of make files which makes versioning a bit of a pain, but there are tools that exist like 'portupgrade' which allow you to keep a current package/ports database _WITH_ version info. For some strange reason, there are changes appended to the changelogs of each port in gentoo without bumping the patch level of the port. This is insane! Thus it is not impossible, but a royal pain in the ass to keep two machines synced when it comes to package versions.
On to easy updates... A whole bunch of tarballs with patchfiles works for a ports system, but not the base system. FreeBSD keeps the entire base system in CVS. FreeBSD actually has a base system. FreeBSD has multiple branches of development. Maybe gentoo will mature to the point where they make a real base system and do real release engineering, but it currently isnt the OS of choice for me.
Also, because the development cycle of FreeBSD is significantly more sane than that of the Linux kernel and the base system/toolchain which never has and never will exist in one master repository, nVidia's drivers work on the -CURRENT development branch of FreeBSD from which this developers preview was taken. Change one line in one file, and they build flawlessly (or at least they can, hopefully on this developer's preview too). The drivers even register properly with devfs.
Do yourself a favor and try FreeBSD, then you can check the FreeBSD mailling list archive if something is broken, instead of searching for a fix with google. It'll save you hours.
MTV-X was pretty cool too. 24 hour rock videos. It was cool seeing Alice in chains videos off of Jar of Flies, then the video for No More Tears comes on... That was worth staying up all night.
Last time i was at my parents house i flipped to MTV-X and it was 24 hip hop. That sucked.
Slashdot Mirror
Or you could read their Early Adopter's Guide and wait until 5.1-RELEASE or 5.2-RELEASE as suggested if stability is an issue.
I hope you know that Mac OS-X is based on a modified FreeBSD kernel.
Mac OS X uses the FreeBSD userland. The kernel is Mach with a BSD API layer on top of it.
I will never consider using Gentoo again until they bump the ebuild version when a change is made to the ebuild script. This lack of versioning is disgusting and can be the cause of serious problems. Use FreeBSD. They bump the patch version of a port when any change is made to the Makefile.
Quarts is specific to OS X's WindowServer. Any graphical apps running on NetBSD through Darwin emulation would probably be drawing to an X11 display. By linking to the GNUstep libraries, you would be providing the OpenStep 5 API while drawing using something like X11 shared memory. In any case, i doubt you would be using Quarts to draw stuff on NetBSD.
I am a bit sketchy on Dreyfus's comment about NetBSD/Darwin compatibility requiring a Mac OS X user license. Darwin contains most of Mac OS X except the WindowServer and GUI friends. A license should not be required until the WindowServer is functional which would then require the shared libraries for the GUI. If GNUstep ever really takes off, it should be possible to build a WindowServer workalike on a Darwin machine and distribute its libraries allong with the Darwin shared libraries. This would make a rather cool, free replacement for Mac OS X or Darwin on PPC.
Hm... My copy of Special Edition Using Linux, Second Edition is copyright 1996 by QUE. Does six years ago sound like 'only recently'?
Lets not even get started with the Linux Kernel Internals book. If I really wanted to, I too could print the kernel source and bind it.
I bought the hardware. nVidia provides software to support that hardware. Their coders still get to eat because software is not nVidia's primary product. Now let's try and count how many people code at a company that produces software as a primary product.
WTF? Linux has supported 3DNow! for some time now. It also support other, more modern extensions to the x86 instruction set like SSE and SSE2. Does anyone else find it a little odd for this note to exist?
Lets not forget that nVidia has had their driver out for years. Before all of this DRI fuddy-duddy. Back in the XFree86 3.x days. Hell, I'll be supprised if the text console works with the ATI drivers.
Why not use Plan9 which talks VESA to most graphics hardware. You definitely wont have GL support, it'll be really slow, and you wont have any idea how to use the base system. But at least you'll have Glenda, the Plan9 bunny as your mascott.
My problem is that the Linux comunity bashes nVidia for providing a couple object files with glue code. You can change the glue code. There are a ton of Linux developers that dont think that tinkering with the glue code to make things work is worth their time because its ultimately closed source software. I'm just glad that nVidia released drivers for a community that apreciates it. Its really an issue of open source projects working with closed source projects in order to provide support for more hardware. I sure as hell dont want to be limited to a 286 with EGA graphics without network support.
The GPL was a good thing for the time. It was an extreme solution at a time when software licensing was also extreme. The GPL will ultimately end up killing itself because there is only so much software that it can infect. If all software were under the GPL, there would be alot of slashdotters who couldnt afford to eat because they would have no job. If you dont like the fact that we live in an economy which relies on $, then you'd better try colonizing one of the moons of Jupiter, because last I heard communism isnt exactly thriving on this planet.
Good god, I really wish that people would get over this portage crap. It's just a rip off of the BSD port trees. You can do the same with debian by using source packages, and yes, it handles dependencies. Use an OS with a well defined base system. I'll give you two minor releases before you shoot yourself in the foot. You know why?
Because gentoo doesn't always update the patch level for an ebuild script when a change is made.
Maybe we'd all be better off if we used Plan9, where the computer itself is considered a legacy device.
Thats what I'm doing. Then I'll be able to use the fastest video card on the face of the planet on FreeBSD, because binary drivers don't suck anywhere near as much as people suggest.
RMS is a commie. You think his software license is the coolest thing since Plan9, so you want to be just like him bashing these big corporations and their closed source software. You want to buy a modern video card and use it within the next decade. Do you see a contradiction here?
[daver@tombstone:~]$ whois spamarchive.org
[snip]
Owner, Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
Guru Rajan (ID00024772)
11475 Great Oak Way
Suite 210
Alpharetta, GA 30022
us
Phone: +1.6789699399
Email: guru.rajan@ciphertrust.com
Dude, i could have registered a simlar domain and put up a comparable web page within a matter of hours. I hope they really exist.
Wouldnt it be great if the submit email address was forwarded to someone's ex girlfriend? Thats the ultimate form of revenge...
1) Register domain name.
2) Put up web page advertising some kind of anti-spam database.
3) Forward all email sent to the submit address to someone you dont like.
4) Get slashdotted.
The end result is that three million people send 100 spams the first hour to the submit address. Within a short amount of time, your foe has 300 million emails in his/her mailbox. Now that's spam.
I should just gzip my mbox and send it to them. That'll give them years of research material.
Well, grandma doesnt even know what a computer is, so i dont have to worry too much about her.
Lets not forget that my ingenious method would prevent me from opening up a hotmail account and emailing my friends, pretending to be someone else, so that i can try to figure out how they _REALLY_ feel about me. You couldnt be a child any more...
Maybe i should set this up myself, so that none of my family members are technically capable of emailing me. The only person who could figure out how to talk to me is my friend james... and he can deliver messages from beth... Yeah, thats everyone who matters. From this moment on, crypto signed email!
I make some innocent joke about NetBSD, and you guys have to turn it all perverted... Shesh... I bet youre one of those perverted Plan9 users.
This simple play on words made me laugh pretty hard.
You have no idea how much spam i get on ICQ. I cant even use it anymore its so bad.
I would have no problem with public crypto. If a message isnt cryptographically signed by someone who you care about, then you could just nuke it. I'd be all for this.
I started using gentoo about a month ago because FreeBSD didnt have GLX drivers for nVidia cards. I changed back to FreeBSD as soon as this happened.
I find it kind of bothersome that 'gentoolkit' is not mentioned in the Portage User Guide, but there are about sixty words that discuss it at the end of the Portage Manual which is over 6000 words. I would think that there should be a good argument that this should be in the base system, if gentoo had one. And why has 'etc-update' been moved out of the 'base system' and into portage?
Maybe im just too used to the way that FreeBSD does stuff. I would hate it if FreeBSD used the ports tree for the base system. But that would be impossible because there is a lot of code that wouldnt exist if it wasnt in the FreeBSD CVS tree.
Everything that I ever wanted to know is either in the FreeBSD Handbook or the mailing list archives.
Versioning is completely worthless when you dont update the patchlevel of your port when changes are made to the ebuild!
Maybe i'll do gentoo again in the future, but definitely not now. Yes, it does do ports, but the ports tools are far from complete and almost useless. You can install a port using the portage tool 'emerge', but once it is installed there is no way to manage your installed ports. FreeBSD has a good variety of package management frontends. The pkg_* tools let you manipulate binary packages. The ports tree is based off of make files which makes versioning a bit of a pain, but there are tools that exist like 'portupgrade' which allow you to keep a current package/ports database _WITH_ version info. For some strange reason, there are changes appended to the changelogs of each port in gentoo without bumping the patch level of the port. This is insane! Thus it is not impossible, but a royal pain in the ass to keep two machines synced when it comes to package versions.
On to easy updates... A whole bunch of tarballs with patchfiles works for a ports system, but not the base system. FreeBSD keeps the entire base system in CVS. FreeBSD actually has a base system. FreeBSD has multiple branches of development. Maybe gentoo will mature to the point where they make a real base system and do real release engineering, but it currently isnt the OS of choice for me.
Also, because the development cycle of FreeBSD is significantly more sane than that of the Linux kernel and the base system/toolchain which never has and never will exist in one master repository, nVidia's drivers work on the -CURRENT development branch of FreeBSD from which this developers preview was taken. Change one line in one file, and they build flawlessly (or at least they can, hopefully on this developer's preview too). The drivers even register properly with devfs.
Do yourself a favor and try FreeBSD, then you can check the FreeBSD mailling list archive if something is broken, instead of searching for a fix with google. It'll save you hours.
Id love to see Evangelion played in its entirety. I wonder if they have enough balls to play something like FLCL.
MTV-X was pretty cool too. 24 hour rock videos. It was cool seeing Alice in chains videos off of Jar of Flies, then the video for No More Tears comes on... That was worth staying up all night.
Last time i was at my parents house i flipped to MTV-X and it was 24 hip hop. That sucked.
Icculus Quake2
Quake2Forge
Both work with slight tinkering.