I provided links proving the adequacy of *nix for high transaction volume applications. If MS was boasting of the LSE as their proof of MS+.NET+MSSQL adequacy in this arena, until it failed, then some alternative successful use cases should be provided, otherwise "The OS is irrelevant" is at best a straw dog considering it leaves out two of the three technologies, or at worst just wishful thinking.
PS. Your "THIS" link made a good point about MS fanboys and shills (are you one?) trying to control the way that MS is referred to in these discussions. That person wants us to use their stock ticker. That's pathetic. And, actually I'm 8.
So Amazon, Google, Yahoo, NYSE, and so on choose bsd, linux, or solaris, with good reason. While LSE managers apparently think that the OS that they run on their desktop for word processing is up to the task of running an exchange because, well... why not, they use it all day long!
There seems to be some blinders being worn as to what other organizations that have intense processing requirements with tight time constraints have chosen (Amazon, Google, Yahoo, etc., not to mention the other exchanges)
The majors choose bsd, linux, or solaris. So LSE chose windows.
Windows is a good choice for word processing on the desktop, otherwise... What were the managers thinking? It had to be a case of warm and fuzzies, management groupthink (and maybe kickbacks) trumping over technical analysis.
"The Mozilla foundation is to adopt a new standard to help web site's prevent cross site scripting attacks (XSS). The standard, called Content Security Policy
Do you notice that name does not sound like the description? Why do they never call it what it is?
It's not my intention to spread FUD, and it's disengenious of you to accuse me of that. I had hoped to make two points:
There are plenty of useful programming languages. Maybe "attributes, properties, delegates, iterable sequences, varargs, enums, a unified type system for classes and primitive types, and pointers" float your boat. Nothing wrong with that, but do they make if worth programming in a language created (for some reasons) by Microsoft, considering point two:
More importantly, there is no disputing Microsoft's business model of lock~in, so their reason for the creation of C# is obvious after their humiliation with J++.
"[W]e should just quietly grow j++ share and assume that people will take more advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are building win32-only java apps." --Microsoft's Thomas Reardon
The quote can be found in the following document (PDF)
Microsoft
A History of Anticompetitive Behavior and
Consumer Harm
"[W]e should just quietly grow j++ share and assume that people will take more
advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are building win32-only java
apps."
--Microsoft's Thomas Reardon
"Please give me one good reason why we should even consider [enabling
Microsoft technology to work on competing systems]. (Hint: any good answer
needs to include making more money and helping kill Unix, Sybase or Oracle.)"
--James Allchin, Microsoft Senior Vice-President
The Windows API is... so deeply embedded in the source code of many Windows
apps that there is a huge switching cost to using a different operating system
instead.... It is this switching cost that has given customers the patience to stick
with Windows through all our mistakes, our buggy drivers, our high TCO, our
lack of a sexy vision at times, and many other difficulties... Customers constantly
evaluate other desktop platforms, [but] it would be so much work to move over
that they hope we just improve Windows rather than force them to move. In short,
without this exclusive franchise called the Windows API, we would have been
dead a long time ago.
"The approach we will take is to detect dr [DOS] 6 and refuse to load. The error
message should be something like 'Invalid device driver interface.'"
--Phillip Barrett, Microsoft Windows Development Manager
"This anti-trust thing will blow over. We haven't changed our business practices at all."
-- Bill Gates, Microsoft founder and then-CEO (1995)
Much more here:
Microsoft A History of Anticompetitive Behavior and Consumer Harm
I wonder what was the reason for C#? Did we not have enough languages? Maybe it had something to do with the fact that they failed to hijack Java
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B)
and create a lock~in with their proprietary version, so they said "Hey lets make a C++ knockoff and lock them in with that!".
You've got to be thick as a brick to let yourself get locked into anything. If that's what RMS is trying to say, he's got it nailed.
Whenever I've used Microsucks, Sucroshit, Fucroass, or anything else that's actually appropriate, I'm always modded as a troll, so I guess I'll just have to stick to plain old M$, whether you dipshits think it's lame it or not. What is lame as all shit is MSFT. What are you, a stock broker?
what is it about mainframes that makes them so different from servers
Most servers are PCs in pizza boxes. This is from Wikipedia:
Released on February 26, 2008, the System z10 Enterprise Class is available in five hardware models: E12, E26, E40, E56, and E64...The number of "characterizable" (or configurable) processing units (PUs) is indicated in the hardware model designation (e.g., the E26 has 26 characterizable PUs).
Depending on the capacity model a PU can be characterized as either a Central Processor (CP), Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) processor, z Application Assist
Processor (zAAP), z10 Integrated Information Processor (zIIP), or Internal Coupling Facility (ICF) processor. (The specialty processors are all identical and IBM locks
out certain functions based on what the processor is characterized as.) It is also possible to configure additional System Assist Processors...The Enterprise Class PU cores (four per chip) operate at speeds of 4.4 GHz, still (December, 2008) the highest clock speed of any processor with more than two cores per
chip. The processors are stored in one to four compartments referred to as "books". Each book is comprised of a multi-chip module (MCM) of processing units (PUs) and
memory cards (including multi-level cache memory).
Not quite the same as an x86, a disk, and some memory.
I heard a story back in the 70's that Intel went into selling CPUs because they wanted to sell more memory chips. Probably Kodak sold cameras because they wanted to sell film. If Kodak did nothing but market Chinese made digitals, 99% of it's plant goes away.
The ambiguous term is "they have". It should have been "they market". Anything that they market that's worth half a crap was developed outside of microsoft. The rest are knockoffs.
SQL Server: Forked from Sybase
Visual Studio: Only necessary because a base MS install does not provide any development tools, whereas Unix was designed to be an IDE in itself.
As a lot of posters have pointed out, linux fit the bill in the beginning when netbooks had less horsepower. The manufacturers needed an OS that could run on such minimal hardware. Now they can run M$.
So now the netbook market is like the PC market in that netbooks will ship with M$, and the more technically mined buyers will install bsd, linux, solaris, or whatever floats their boats, and the ignorant masses can continue to enjoy their favorite cartoons: microsoft bob, the blinking paper clip, and the dog that scratches the ground during file searches.
It seems peitiononline.com is under ddos attack. What I thought was interesting is that their number two most popular petition is Investigation into crimes committed by Ali Khamenei
Slashdot Mirror
You must be his wife.
I provided links proving the adequacy of *nix for high transaction volume applications. If MS was boasting of the LSE as their proof of MS+.NET+MSSQL adequacy in this arena, until it failed, then some alternative successful use cases should be provided, otherwise "The OS is irrelevant" is at best a straw dog considering it leaves out two of the three technologies, or at worst just wishful thinking.
PS. Your "THIS" link made a good point about MS fanboys and shills (are you one?) trying to control the way that MS is referred to in these discussions. That person wants us to use their stock ticker. That's pathetic. And, actually I'm 8.
So Amazon, Google, Yahoo, NYSE, and so on choose bsd, linux, or solaris, with good reason. While LSE managers apparently think that the OS that they run on their desktop for word processing is up to the task of running an exchange because, well... why not, they use it all day long!
"Wall Street Embraces Linux" : http://www.forbes.com/2002/03/27/0327linux.html
"NYSE Moves to Linux" (from UNIX): http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/14/2312210
There seems to be some blinders being worn as to what other organizations that have intense processing requirements with tight time constraints have chosen (Amazon, Google, Yahoo, etc., not to mention the other exchanges)
The majors choose bsd, linux, or solaris. So LSE chose windows.
Windows is a good choice for word processing on the desktop, otherwise... What were the managers thinking? It had to be a case of warm and fuzzies, management groupthink (and maybe kickbacks) trumping over technical analysis.
"The Mozilla foundation is to adopt a new standard to help web site's prevent cross site scripting attacks (XSS). The standard, called Content Security Policy
Do you notice that name does not sound like the description? Why do they never call it what it is?
"[W]e should just quietly grow j++ share and assume that people will take more advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are building win32-only java apps." --Microsoft's Thomas Reardon
The quote can be found in the following document (PDF)
Microsoft
A History of Anticompetitive Behavior and Consumer Harm
http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf
of the truth, like the above, do not get modded up?
"[W]e should just quietly grow j++ share and assume that people will take more advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are building win32-only java apps." --Microsoft's Thomas Reardon
"Please give me one good reason why we should even consider [enabling Microsoft technology to work on competing systems]. (Hint: any good answer needs to include making more money and helping kill Unix, Sybase or Oracle.)" --James Allchin, Microsoft Senior Vice-President
The Windows API is ... so deeply embedded in the source code of many Windows
apps that there is a huge switching cost to using a different operating system
instead. ... It is this switching cost that has given customers the patience to stick
with Windows through all our mistakes, our buggy drivers, our high TCO, our
lack of a sexy vision at times, and many other difficulties... Customers constantly
evaluate other desktop platforms, [but] it would be so much work to move over
that they hope we just improve Windows rather than force them to move. In short,
without this exclusive franchise called the Windows API, we would have been
dead a long time ago.
"The approach we will take is to detect dr [DOS] 6 and refuse to load. The error message should be something like 'Invalid device driver interface.'" --Phillip Barrett, Microsoft Windows Development Manager
"This anti-trust thing will blow over. We haven't changed our business practices at all." -- Bill Gates, Microsoft founder and then-CEO (1995)
Much more here: Microsoft A History of Anticompetitive Behavior and Consumer Harm
(PDF) http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf
You've got to be thick as a brick to let yourself get locked into anything. If that's what RMS is trying to say, he's got it nailed.
http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20090421111327711 http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20031121013756776
Whenever I've used Microsucks, Sucroshit, Fucroass, or anything else that's actually appropriate, I'm always modded as a troll, so I guess I'll just have to stick to plain old M$, whether you dipshits think it's lame it or not. What is lame as all shit is MSFT. What are you, a stock broker?
Gospel according to the Church of Man Made Global Warming.
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/sep/27/global-warming-has-paused/?opinion
That's a good point. But the solution is to require people to vote from any OS other than MSWin.
This was on the internets yesterday: http://blogs.computerworld.com/digg_dug_buried_how_linux_news_disappears
Whoever modded this troll: Thanks a fucking lot for your assistance; you're a prince.
There were two FAs in TFS. Both were total fucking garbage. Is there anywhere a literate person could read what happened? No twits thank you.
They're jumping to conclusions. It will be 140 million years before we have enough data to decide.
what is it about mainframes that makes them so different from servers
Most servers are PCs in pizza boxes. This is from Wikipedia:
Released on February 26, 2008, the System z10 Enterprise Class is available in five hardware models: E12, E26, E40, E56, and E64...The number of "characterizable" (or configurable) processing units (PUs) is indicated in the hardware model designation (e.g., the E26 has 26 characterizable PUs). Depending on the capacity model a PU can be characterized as either a Central Processor (CP), Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) processor, z Application Assist Processor (zAAP), z10 Integrated Information Processor (zIIP), or Internal Coupling Facility (ICF) processor. (The specialty processors are all identical and IBM locks out certain functions based on what the processor is characterized as.) It is also possible to configure additional System Assist Processors...The Enterprise Class PU cores (four per chip) operate at speeds of 4.4 GHz, still (December, 2008) the highest clock speed of any processor with more than two cores per chip. The processors are stored in one to four compartments referred to as "books". Each book is comprised of a multi-chip module (MCM) of processing units (PUs) and memory cards (including multi-level cache memory).
Not quite the same as an x86, a disk, and some memory.
I heard a story back in the 70's that Intel went into selling CPUs because they wanted to sell more memory chips. Probably Kodak sold cameras because they wanted to sell film. If Kodak did nothing but market Chinese made digitals, 99% of it's plant goes away.
Maybe not Bill, but obviously you are.
So now the netbook market is like the PC market in that netbooks will ship with M$, and the more technically mined buyers will install bsd, linux, solaris, or whatever floats their boats, and the ignorant masses can continue to enjoy their favorite cartoons: microsoft bob, the blinking paper clip, and the dog that scratches the ground during file searches.
http://slashdot.org/submission/1021265/Grassroots-PetitionOnlineorg-taken-down-by-DDos
It seems peitiononline.com is under ddos attack. What I thought was interesting is that their number two most popular petition is
Investigation into crimes committed by Ali Khamenei
But how would anyone know if that's just a cover for Ahmadickhead or Kockamaymie, and they'll just block it?
Don't what he proposes, but some prefer MECOs (http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0603746) or Dark Energy Stars (http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0508115).