No, it wasn't just me. Other family members had the same problem. The time jumps are across enough years and done frequently enough that you can't really track people easily. This is made worse by the fact that they all sort of sound the same and a lot of the shots are from a distance or done where you only see the back of their head. The fishing boat shot, for example.
Some of the scenes are especially jarring because you aren't given any time reference UNTIL you start wondering who the fuck a particular character is. One family member asked "Wait, didn't he die?" during one of the scenes. Until you start second-guessing every new scene with "Is this a flashback? If so, then..." and start playing the match game with characters across a decade, it's a mess.
If it was their goal to create a disorienting spiral of bleakness, then good job!
I only have a few extensions - Adblock Plus or Ublock Origins (some machines have one, some have the other; no machines have both), New Tab Override (just takes me to about:blank instead of about:tab for new tabs), NoScript, and Ghostery (only on some machines).
I figured the database was the issue, which is why I went through blowing out history. I'll try speedyfox and see if it helps. Firefox occasionally tells me "Hey, refresh your shit!" and I'm like "Fuck you! I have it set up to make it usable!".
SAG members got copies over a month ago. I sat through the depressing snoozefest over the holidays as a result.
Synopsis for those who are considering watching the movie:
A kid's dad gets sick (heart disease I think) and his trash mom is all like "fuck this I'm out". Later, the dad dies and the kid's uncle has to come and deal with the affairs and take care of the kid. The kid is angry/angsty/etc. because his dad is dead. The uncle can't keep it together because he has a bad history with the town.
Everything is revealed out of order in flashbacks that will leave you asking "When is this?" and "Who is that?". Eventually it's revealed that the uncle got drunk one night, lit a fire to warm the house, decided to go out for cigarettes or something, and (you guessed it) came back to a well-done house, wife, and child. Despite all the vagueness and time jumping, you can see this coming a mile away once he's starting the fire.
There's an attempted suicide by the uncle and a bunch of flashbacks with the kid, the dad, and the uncle. Basically the dad forces the uncle to get his life back on track. With the dad dead, the uncle can't fucking deal with the kid and the town, and he can't even handle this lady trying to jump his bones. So he wants to sell the house and move back to wherever he lives and go back to his shitty apartment repair job. The kid wants to stay and finish high school. The uncle's like "No, fuck this town.", but the kid's like "No, fuck you! I'm gonna live with my mom!". The mom and her new husband/boyfriend/whatever show up out of the blue and are all about trying to take the kid in. The uncle knows she's trash and is probably just trying to weasel in on the house is like "No, fuck that!".
There was some compromise mentioned where the uncle would go back and leave the kid at the dead dad's house until it was sold, or with some family friends (not the mom) most of the year, with the uncle coming to visit occasionally.
I sat through the whole thing and I honestly can't tell you what the resolution, if any, turned out to be. My guess is the uncle lives in the house with the kid permanently, and finally gives that lady (who was flirting with him from the moment he stepped back into town) the time of day. But it's just a guess. I simply can't remember because it was so incredibly dull, depressing, and boring.
There was some sort of scene with them bouncing and throwing a ball. It went on for a bit and I think it was just to show that they are moving on with their lives and have dealt with their grief or some shit. I don't know when chronologically this scene takes place (it's toward the end of the movie, but who knows what that means in terms of the storyline), so I can't tell you how significant it is. It was significant enough in the director's eyes for it to go on for too damned long.
If you get sick of being happy, or there's a day where you look out the window and say "I wish there were less sun and that sky was about 7 pantone steps more grey", give it a watch.
One of the recent updates (48/49/50( absolutely KILLED the performance. Particularly annoying is the URL bar. Autocomplete results take longer to populate and my usual pattern of opening tabs was broken. I used to type in a few characters, select the entry, and hit enter. For example: sl, down (or tab), enter, ctrl+t, ca, down (or tab), enter, ctrl+t, etc. would open up slashdot, then a new tab for my calendar, then a new tab for... Ever since the performance tanked, I couldn't do that anymore without deliberately slowing down at each step.
I even tried blowing out all of my old history (years and years of browsing data on one machine). This was particularly annoying as clearing out everything older than 6 months will do so based on the FIRST access date, not the last access date. So clearing out everything older than 6 months blows out slashdot even though I access it daily. I had to go into each subfolder in the history control and sort by last access date, then blow out everything older than a threshold of a few months back. This took almost an hour of constant work because deleting history this way causes FF to update the UI constantly. CPU usage spiked to 100% of a single core while FF deleted an entry, updated the scroll bar, scrolled the list, then deleted the next entry. To prevent FF from locking up completely and crashing I had to work in batches of a few thousand and let it stew for a couple of minutes before hitting the next batch.
And after all that work, with a history file that was in the hundreds of thousands instead of tens of millions, performance was still ass.
Yeah. I can't wait to pay American labor rates for everything I buy.
Now instead of hearing us cry about not being able to afford health insurance, you'll hear us cry about not being able to afford anything.
Trump: Let's Make American Products Expensive Again!!
Before massive outsourcing^W globalization, people used to be able to afford houses and families and medical care on a single income. After siphoning jobs and industries to other countries for 4 decades, how's our economy doing?
Yup, claiming we won't be able to trust Trump's administration on this and then pointing back to Reagan is hilarious when you consider the mental gymnastics Obama's administration pulled.
The raw numbers tell a pretty simple story. Lots of people have simply given up looking for work, and lots more have decided to go on permanent disability. We have fewer American citizens working, and those that are working are earning less, despite continued inflation and increases to cost of living. We've also got added burdens due to the ACA. We have fewer people working full time and getting benefits. They're now forced to buy health insurance they can't afford (and often don't need). Even when they get the big discounted rates on the exchanges, the ultimate cost goes onto the rest of the working class.
I suspect the camel's back will break soon if Trump is not successful in returning jobs to the US. However much of an assclown he is, he does seem to be determined to do this.
The only one who should be fired for this is the chief clown Tim Cook. He should be fired for the shitty sales of the iPhone 7 and MBP. as well. Shitty is a relative term here, FYI.
Apple's latest generation of shit has been a failure in the eyes of the media, the industry, the public, and the shareholders. The current batch of iThings only serve as a reminder that Jobs is dead and what Apple without Jobs was. (For the record, I think Apple with Jobs was shit through and through, but I won't deny that people bought ever-increasing quantities of whatever turd he held on a stage..)
If he recorded video (or audio, which is somehow worse), if it crossed state lines, etc. he's all sort of fucked should it come down to it. He also went to great lengths exposing the person's PII in a harassment campaign.
If it weren't so common for "security experts" to be so fucking stupid I'd write the whole thing off as a farce.
Not only is he a dumbass for leaving an unsecured laptop in his car, what he did (tracking, spying, remotely monitoring via the web cam, accessing accounts that aren't his, etc.) is criminal and carries far more punishment than stealing a laptop from a car.
From the management page, I had to click into each one and then delete it, I believe. I made sure to click on the left portion of the image and not the circle on the right. The circle on the right is for buying the thing and the left portion is for getting info about the thing. I don't know if clicking on the circle from the management page would have triggered a purchase or not, but I didn't want to risk it.
What's worse is there's no way to disable it. I had 9 buttons and I had to manually remove each of them. I can't stop it from adding more, I can't stop them from showing up on the main page, and I can't bulk delete them.
I DON'T WANT THIS SHIT.
The directory (http://amzn.to/2jW72VV) is much more useful than the homepage. I would recommend people bookmark it, but the fact is they recently made it worse. It used to be a simple, usable list of all "departments" on Amazon. Now they're adding graphics and recommendations to this page too.
It seems there is ***only*** two kinds of people, those that agree with Trump and those who do not.
Well, if you can treat "agree" as binary, sure. For any binary X there is only X and !X (or ~X if you prefer).
What about me? I don't like Trump but I don't hate him blindly and stupidly like a lot of people do. I don't believe he's going to magically "Make America Great Again" and I don't believe he's into water sports or whatever other cockamamie shit the media will trot out next. (Or will the media do an abrupt 180 to get more access?)
Next you'll be telling him that there's no separation of church and state in the Constitution, only the guaranteed right to be free to practice religion and the restriction against the state establishing a religion.
What emolument is he receiving from a foreign state? Note that business holdings in a foreign state, and profits from them, are not an emolument given by the foreign state. Please provide some actual evidence or specific details. This emolument clause impeachment bullshit has been circling the drain around liberal blogs and rags for the past couple of weeks. Every serious discussion of the matter has stated that it doesn't fucking apply to Trump for the exact reasons I've pointed out. He's not receiving gifts from foreign states. He's not some fuck boy for Putin, despite what Wolf Blitzer wants you to believe.
This emolument clause means the US doesn't have nobility and the US can't have people in office that are being bribed/controlled/puppeted by foreign entities. (And most people say this doesn't apply to elected positions, but only to offices of appointment.) There are other emolument clauses (such as the one saying the President can't get paid by the US beyond the pay for being President), but none of those are relevant either.
Presidents receive gifts from foreign states all the time. If the emolument clause meant what you want it to mean, Obama would have been in violation for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. The way it works is gifts given to the President are given to the President, and not the person. When the person leaves office, the gifts stay with the Office. They're typically stored and periodically displayed for tourists. "And here we have the stack of porno mags gifted to President Clinton in the third year of his first term by an unnamed dignitary of an undisclosed nation." If gifts are a more personal nature, Congress can simply decide the person can keep them.
Evidence and specifics that actually relate to the emolument clause or shut the fuck up.
Keep in mind that even if an attempt is made to use the emolument clause against Trump, and somehow the Supreme Court is retarded enough to find him in violation of it, the Republicans control Congress and can just approve every imagined "violation".
These Trump haters are desperate, but they should THINK before they start spouting this kind of shit. It reveals how fucking dumb they are and highlights exactly why Trump won. If they actually want to prevent Trump from having a second term, they need to learn and think, not bitch and moan and cling to ridiculous schemes to try to invalidate Trump's election. This is dumber than the circus about Obama's birth certificate. Do you really want to hitch your wagon to this horse?
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
Commander in Chief, President of the United States of America, etc. are not titles of nobility, nor does Trump hold any other such titles granted by the United States of America. Trump has not accepted any present, emolument, office, or title of any kind whatever from any king, prince, or foreign state since being sworn in.
Unless you have actual evidence to the contrary, shut the fuck up.
Even if Putin wanted to send him a gift basket to wish him well, it would go to the President, not to Trump himself. If it was a personal gift, Congress could declare it to be the property of Trump and not of the office.
Bullshit. 2 full terms later and you're STILL blaming the insane national debt and failed economy on Bush instead of Obama. Your finger only knows how to point in one direction.
SNL is shit. It's been shit for decades. Even when it wasn't shit, it was rarely good. There are a handful of funny bits from the entire history of the show, and a god chunk of those are spoiled Fallon laughing so much that Will Ferrell has to wait and repeat his line.
Meryl Streep is overrated. About as overrated as Tom Hanks. (He's terrible, he just either shouts or mumbles. Good movies are built around him like a frosting is layered on top of a turd. I'm glad he's confined to that DaVinci Code crap now.)
Of course, those are OPINIONS (even though it's a hard fucking fact that SNL sucks ass).
I don't know what shows he talked about, but if he claimed a publication was failing he was right again. Print is dead, and it took journalism and ethics along with it. He was right about Macy's, as well.
I don't care for Trump but when people bitch and moan about him, and spread lies about him, they reveal how much of a petulant child they are. They are every bit as hateful, bigoted, violent, etc. as they claim Trump to be.
Not only does it mean they're holding onto it, it means they're paying for a full season upfront without knowing what the response will be. Of course, this cost gets passed on to the subscribers. If something is a flop, congrats - you bought 9+ episodes no one will ever watch because the first was such a fucking turd a regular network would have preferred to run a damned commemorative coin infomercial in that slot.
Who can seriously sit through the first episode of The OA or Pacific Heat and say they want more?
Slashdot Mirror
Speedyfox is the real deal. Shit's FIXED!
I'm waiting for the "Find Your Ass" app. In-app purchases include 2 hands and a map!
No, it wasn't just me. Other family members had the same problem. The time jumps are across enough years and done frequently enough that you can't really track people easily. This is made worse by the fact that they all sort of sound the same and a lot of the shots are from a distance or done where you only see the back of their head. The fishing boat shot, for example.
Some of the scenes are especially jarring because you aren't given any time reference UNTIL you start wondering who the fuck a particular character is. One family member asked "Wait, didn't he die?" during one of the scenes. Until you start second-guessing every new scene with "Is this a flashback? If so, then..." and start playing the match game with characters across a decade, it's a mess.
If it was their goal to create a disorienting spiral of bleakness, then good job!
I only have a few extensions - Adblock Plus or Ublock Origins (some machines have one, some have the other; no machines have both), New Tab Override (just takes me to about:blank instead of about:tab for new tabs), NoScript, and Ghostery (only on some machines).
I figured the database was the issue, which is why I went through blowing out history. I'll try speedyfox and see if it helps. Firefox occasionally tells me "Hey, refresh your shit!" and I'm like "Fuck you! I have it set up to make it usable!".
SAG members got copies over a month ago. I sat through the depressing snoozefest over the holidays as a result.
Synopsis for those who are considering watching the movie:
A kid's dad gets sick (heart disease I think) and his trash mom is all like "fuck this I'm out". Later, the dad dies and the kid's uncle has to come and deal with the affairs and take care of the kid. The kid is angry/angsty/etc. because his dad is dead. The uncle can't keep it together because he has a bad history with the town.
Everything is revealed out of order in flashbacks that will leave you asking "When is this?" and "Who is that?". Eventually it's revealed that the uncle got drunk one night, lit a fire to warm the house, decided to go out for cigarettes or something, and (you guessed it) came back to a well-done house, wife, and child. Despite all the vagueness and time jumping, you can see this coming a mile away once he's starting the fire.
There's an attempted suicide by the uncle and a bunch of flashbacks with the kid, the dad, and the uncle. Basically the dad forces the uncle to get his life back on track. With the dad dead, the uncle can't fucking deal with the kid and the town, and he can't even handle this lady trying to jump his bones. So he wants to sell the house and move back to wherever he lives and go back to his shitty apartment repair job. The kid wants to stay and finish high school. The uncle's like "No, fuck this town.", but the kid's like "No, fuck you! I'm gonna live with my mom!". The mom and her new husband/boyfriend/whatever show up out of the blue and are all about trying to take the kid in. The uncle knows she's trash and is probably just trying to weasel in on the house is like "No, fuck that!".
There was some compromise mentioned where the uncle would go back and leave the kid at the dead dad's house until it was sold, or with some family friends (not the mom) most of the year, with the uncle coming to visit occasionally.
I sat through the whole thing and I honestly can't tell you what the resolution, if any, turned out to be. My guess is the uncle lives in the house with the kid permanently, and finally gives that lady (who was flirting with him from the moment he stepped back into town) the time of day. But it's just a guess. I simply can't remember because it was so incredibly dull, depressing, and boring.
There was some sort of scene with them bouncing and throwing a ball. It went on for a bit and I think it was just to show that they are moving on with their lives and have dealt with their grief or some shit. I don't know when chronologically this scene takes place (it's toward the end of the movie, but who knows what that means in terms of the storyline), so I can't tell you how significant it is. It was significant enough in the director's eyes for it to go on for too damned long.
If you get sick of being happy, or there's a day where you look out the window and say "I wish there were less sun and that sky was about 7 pantone steps more grey", give it a watch.
'Half a billion' refers to their memory usage.
Less than half a GB? That would be great!
Is it really?
One of the recent updates (48/49/50( absolutely KILLED the performance. Particularly annoying is the URL bar. Autocomplete results take longer to populate and my usual pattern of opening tabs was broken. I used to type in a few characters, select the entry, and hit enter. For example: sl, down (or tab), enter, ctrl+t, ca, down (or tab), enter, ctrl+t, etc. would open up slashdot, then a new tab for my calendar, then a new tab for... Ever since the performance tanked, I couldn't do that anymore without deliberately slowing down at each step.
I even tried blowing out all of my old history (years and years of browsing data on one machine). This was particularly annoying as clearing out everything older than 6 months will do so based on the FIRST access date, not the last access date. So clearing out everything older than 6 months blows out slashdot even though I access it daily. I had to go into each subfolder in the history control and sort by last access date, then blow out everything older than a threshold of a few months back. This took almost an hour of constant work because deleting history this way causes FF to update the UI constantly. CPU usage spiked to 100% of a single core while FF deleted an entry, updated the scroll bar, scrolled the list, then deleted the next entry. To prevent FF from locking up completely and crashing I had to work in batches of a few thousand and let it stew for a couple of minutes before hitting the next batch.
And after all that work, with a history file that was in the hundreds of thousands instead of tens of millions, performance was still ass.
And yet, by the time he left office, the economy was in pretty good shape.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
Yeah. I can't wait to pay American labor rates for everything I buy.
Now instead of hearing us cry about not being able to afford health insurance, you'll hear us cry about not being able to afford anything.
Trump: Let's Make American Products Expensive Again!!
Before massive outsourcing^W globalization, people used to be able to afford houses and families and medical care on a single income.
After siphoning jobs and industries to other countries for 4 decades, how's our economy doing?
Yup, claiming we won't be able to trust Trump's administration on this and then pointing back to Reagan is hilarious when you consider the mental gymnastics Obama's administration pulled.
The raw numbers tell a pretty simple story. Lots of people have simply given up looking for work, and lots more have decided to go on permanent disability.
We have fewer American citizens working, and those that are working are earning less, despite continued inflation and increases to cost of living. We've also got added burdens due to the ACA. We have fewer people working full time and getting benefits. They're now forced to buy health insurance they can't afford (and often don't need). Even when they get the big discounted rates on the exchanges, the ultimate cost goes onto the rest of the working class.
I suspect the camel's back will break soon if Trump is not successful in returning jobs to the US. However much of an assclown he is, he does seem to be determined to do this.
The only one who should be fired for this is the chief clown Tim Cook.
He should be fired for the shitty sales of the iPhone 7 and MBP. as well. Shitty is a relative term here, FYI.
Apple's latest generation of shit has been a failure in the eyes of the media, the industry, the public, and the shareholders. The current batch of iThings only serve as a reminder that Jobs is dead and what Apple without Jobs was. (For the record, I think Apple with Jobs was shit through and through, but I won't deny that people bought ever-increasing quantities of whatever turd he held on a stage..)
If he recorded video (or audio, which is somehow worse), if it crossed state lines, etc. he's all sort of fucked should it come down to it. He also went to great lengths exposing the person's PII in a harassment campaign.
If it weren't so common for "security experts" to be so fucking stupid I'd write the whole thing off as a farce.
Not only is he a dumbass for leaving an unsecured laptop in his car, what he did (tracking, spying, remotely monitoring via the web cam, accessing accounts that aren't his, etc.) is criminal and carries far more punishment than stealing a laptop from a car.
From the management page, I had to click into each one and then delete it, I believe. I made sure to click on the left portion of the image and not the circle on the right. The circle on the right is for buying the thing and the left portion is for getting info about the thing. I don't know if clicking on the circle from the management page would have triggered a purchase or not, but I didn't want to risk it.
What's worse is there's no way to disable it. I had 9 buttons and I had to manually remove each of them. I can't stop it from adding more, I can't stop them from showing up on the main page, and I can't bulk delete them.
I DON'T WANT THIS SHIT.
The directory (http://amzn.to/2jW72VV) is much more useful than the homepage. I would recommend people bookmark it, but the fact is they recently made it worse. It used to be a simple, usable list of all "departments" on Amazon. Now they're adding graphics and recommendations to this page too.
It seems there is ***only*** two kinds of people, those that agree with Trump and those who do not.
Well, if you can treat "agree" as binary, sure. For any binary X there is only X and !X (or ~X if you prefer).
What about me? I don't like Trump but I don't hate him blindly and stupidly like a lot of people do. I don't believe he's going to magically "Make America Great Again" and I don't believe he's into water sports or whatever other cockamamie shit the media will trot out next. (Or will the media do an abrupt 180 to get more access?)
Well, with Obama in the middle I wouldn't say "in a row". "In a row if you exclude the non-Republican in between them", sure.
Beyond that, all this means is that it's the second Republican "in a row" to have a better strategy than their competitor.
SHUSH! You'll ruin his narrative!
Next you'll be telling him that there's no separation of church and state in the Constitution, only the guaranteed right to be free to practice religion and the restriction against the state establishing a religion.
What emolument is he receiving from a foreign state? Note that business holdings in a foreign state, and profits from them, are not an emolument given by the foreign state. Please provide some actual evidence or specific details. This emolument clause impeachment bullshit has been circling the drain around liberal blogs and rags for the past couple of weeks. Every serious discussion of the matter has stated that it doesn't fucking apply to Trump for the exact reasons I've pointed out. He's not receiving gifts from foreign states. He's not some fuck boy for Putin, despite what Wolf Blitzer wants you to believe.
This emolument clause means the US doesn't have nobility and the US can't have people in office that are being bribed/controlled/puppeted by foreign entities. (And most people say this doesn't apply to elected positions, but only to offices of appointment.) There are other emolument clauses (such as the one saying the President can't get paid by the US beyond the pay for being President), but none of those are relevant either.
Presidents receive gifts from foreign states all the time. If the emolument clause meant what you want it to mean, Obama would have been in violation for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. The way it works is gifts given to the President are given to the President, and not the person. When the person leaves office, the gifts stay with the Office. They're typically stored and periodically displayed for tourists. "And here we have the stack of porno mags gifted to President Clinton in the third year of his first term by an unnamed dignitary of an undisclosed nation." If gifts are a more personal nature, Congress can simply decide the person can keep them.
Evidence and specifics that actually relate to the emolument clause or shut the fuck up.
Keep in mind that even if an attempt is made to use the emolument clause against Trump, and somehow the Supreme Court is retarded enough to find him in violation of it, the Republicans control Congress and can just approve every imagined "violation".
These Trump haters are desperate, but they should THINK before they start spouting this kind of shit. It reveals how fucking dumb they are and highlights exactly why Trump won. If they actually want to prevent Trump from having a second term, they need to learn and think, not bitch and moan and cling to ridiculous schemes to try to invalidate Trump's election. This is dumber than the circus about Obama's birth certificate. Do you really want to hitch your wagon to this horse?
Wrong as usual, MightyMartian.
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
Commander in Chief, President of the United States of America, etc. are not titles of nobility, nor does Trump hold any other such titles granted by the United States of America.
Trump has not accepted any present, emolument, office, or title of any kind whatever from any king, prince, or foreign state since being sworn in.
Unless you have actual evidence to the contrary, shut the fuck up.
Even if Putin wanted to send him a gift basket to wish him well, it would go to the President, not to Trump himself. If it was a personal gift, Congress could declare it to be the property of Trump and not of the office.
Bullshit. 2 full terms later and you're STILL blaming the insane national debt and failed economy on Bush instead of Obama.
Your finger only knows how to point in one direction.
I switched on the radio to hear the evening PM programme (I live in the UK).
You didn't need to tell us where you lived. We knew by your ridiculous spellinge.
SNL is shit. It's been shit for decades. Even when it wasn't shit, it was rarely good. There are a handful of funny bits from the entire history of the show, and a god chunk of those are spoiled Fallon laughing so much that Will Ferrell has to wait and repeat his line.
Meryl Streep is overrated. About as overrated as Tom Hanks. (He's terrible, he just either shouts or mumbles. Good movies are built around him like a frosting is layered on top of a turd. I'm glad he's confined to that DaVinci Code crap now.)
Of course, those are OPINIONS (even though it's a hard fucking fact that SNL sucks ass).
I don't know what shows he talked about, but if he claimed a publication was failing he was right again. Print is dead, and it took journalism and ethics along with it. He was right about Macy's, as well.
I don't care for Trump but when people bitch and moan about him, and spread lies about him, they reveal how much of a petulant child they are. They are every bit as hateful, bigoted, violent, etc. as they claim Trump to be.
Trump Bump
Trump Dump
There, it rhymes.
Trump Slump.
Was that so hard?
Not only does it mean they're holding onto it, it means they're paying for a full season upfront without knowing what the response will be. Of course, this cost gets passed on to the subscribers. If something is a flop, congrats - you bought 9+ episodes no one will ever watch because the first was such a fucking turd a regular network would have preferred to run a damned commemorative coin infomercial in that slot.
Who can seriously sit through the first episode of The OA or Pacific Heat and say they want more?