Hate between software camps is rarely fueled by the developers of the software itself. Forks might be driven by need, frustration or anything else, but once it is done, developers get on with their lives. When Canonical dumped GNOME panels (and Shell) to make unity, there was some bad blood for a month or so, Debian move to systemd was bit more brutal, but it all passed.
This is nothing compared to the hatefest that slashdot harbours. Any news remotely related to GNOME or systemd will quickly summon rabid commenters. Sure, if you agree with the haters, you will see it as a good thing (conformation bias?), but it does mean that comment section of this site is more suitable for gruesome entertainment than gaining additional information.
Case in point http://tech.slashdot.org/story..., where mildly interesting story about GNOME cash flow spawned comments that ranged form misunderstanding to misinformation to just pure fantasy. I was a bit surprised that someone from GNOME (Sri Ramkrishna) was still on/. and did try to clarify the situation, but it turned out that this was in his job description as a member of board of GNOME. This is how sick the/. community has become.
I was wondering, it GNOME devs were that crazy to break their apps everywhere, and they aren't. On fedora xfce installed gedit 3.14 http://pbrd.co/1FQXEGT There are some goofs, like duplication of minimize, maximize and close buttons. The xfce window decoration is there and works. Menu items, that were in the global menu, are now in the window menu (except for "new window", that seems to be gone, but Ctlr+N and tab detaching works just fine). Can you point to the DE, where gedit is really broken?
What do you mean? If I knew my bitcoin wallet doubled its value every year, I would spend/invest NONE of it. And since everyone else would do the same, the value would grow even further and further, until it wouldn't. Then there is incentive to spend, thus flooding the market with bitcoins, which results in inflation, which forces to spend even more, before value is lost even further. Sounds like solid economical base to me.
How is gold (or peg to it) any worse than bitcoin? Right now any entity that is afraid of volatility or deflation will avoid bitcoin, and most governments will.
I understand that everyone concerned with security should be a bit paranoid, but the proper way to handle it should be through code review.
And systemd is 5(!) years old. It has been a while and glacial Debian has finally adopted it, as slowly as expected. How much longer do you expect it to be around before considered mature?
Every time/. has news on someone, who has committed [cyber]crime, the comments read like from ask.slashdot.org article "I would like to set up a criminal enterprise online. Any helpful tips?"
As per all "ask/." articles, most comments are borderline manslplaining (meaning, author has no experience in the field, has idea what he is talking about, but somehow it makes sense in his head and he is happy to share it). As in all diverse communities, some try to suggest that this is a bad idea and shouldn't be attempted in the first place. Such suggestions are soon thwarted with detailed explanations, why it is [a good idea|ethical|for the common good].
This sort of entertainment is why I keep reading Shashdot. Keep up the good work.
By "self regulating eco-system" AC meant that Earth always has a climate. And at some point (indefinite future) it will stabilize. Did snowball Earth (if such existed) have climate? Yes. Was it stable? Sure, for a while. So there you have it.
The root cause of all abuse is thinking other people are less important than your self, and as such can be treated worse than you.
Antisemitism comes from feeling of oppression (I guess. I really don't understand this one). Child abuse often justified as for their own good. Honour killings come from need to maintain honour. I am quite sure this is not a complete list. Even if the end result you propose would solve everything, how do we get there? Because just believing everyone is just as important as everyone else doesn't solve the abuse I listed above.
So tell me, how does shit-talking on the Internet reduce violence? What particular form of abuse is it efficient at solving?
Profanities won't solve it, nor am I advocating for them. But sometimes people in these sort of debates are so oblivious of the issues, I can understand why every other word a swear word.
And you should notice, that root causes for abuse are different. Unless you have an abuse solving fairy grandmother, that can magically solve all abuse, I am all for differential approach for reducing violence.
So, your friends respect women, jet make sexist jokes. Oh, if only those women could see past sexism and enjoy the laughs. Just like in school, the poor sod, who is being called gay for not acting manly enough, should just laugh with everybody else, because come on, that is just a joke.
At first I thought I should just go with classical "if X says that Y do Z, it means that enough of Y do Z for it to be a problem", like, if for some woman only 20% (made up number) of male colleges make sexist remarks, it is surely not ALL men, but still it can make life unbearable. When I was in school, I was bullied by about 4 of 33 classmates and, believe me, the fact that it was ONLY about 10% didn't help. BUT reading your comment further I seriously doubt you would even notice if you were misogynist. First, you just disregard their experience with "didn't see it, you must be making this up" and then say they should shut up about it. Then, to prove the point, you engage in sexist activities (at least passively, by accepting sexism) as a revenge (WTF?). And to top it all, you say women should accept hostile workplace environment, because it is just the way it is, when in fact it is YOU, the tech people, who make the tech environment the way it is.
You are just like those, who say "I don't see racism around me, so it doesn't exist".
And electronic voting solve any of these problems?
The article points out that Estionian e-elections increase(!) risk of fraud. You just said, that since there can be fraud with conventional elections, it doesn't matter, how elections are done. It just makes no sense. If there are risks of fraud, they should be minimised, not increased.
The "mess up your life" translates as "sabojat tavu dzivi". Right now it says "mess up ones own life". And no, slashdot is still not friendly to non-latin alphabets.
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Hate between software camps is rarely fueled by the developers of the software itself. Forks might be driven by need, frustration or anything else, but once it is done, developers get on with their lives. When Canonical dumped GNOME panels (and Shell) to make unity, there was some bad blood for a month or so, Debian move to systemd was bit more brutal, but it all passed.
This is nothing compared to the hatefest that slashdot harbours. Any news remotely related to GNOME or systemd will quickly summon rabid commenters. Sure, if you agree with the haters, you will see it as a good thing (conformation bias?), but it does mean that comment section of this site is more suitable for gruesome entertainment than gaining additional information.
Case in point http://tech.slashdot.org/story..., where mildly interesting story about GNOME cash flow spawned comments that ranged form misunderstanding to misinformation to just pure fantasy. I was a bit surprised that someone from GNOME (Sri Ramkrishna) was still on /. and did try to clarify the situation, but it turned out that this was in his job description as a member of board of GNOME. This is how sick the /. community has become.
I was wondering, it GNOME devs were that crazy to break their apps everywhere, and they aren't. On fedora xfce installed gedit 3.14 http://pbrd.co/1FQXEGT
There are some goofs, like duplication of minimize, maximize and close buttons. The xfce window decoration is there and works. Menu items, that were in the global menu, are now in the window menu (except for "new window", that seems to be gone, but Ctlr+N and tab detaching works just fine).
Can you point to the DE, where gedit is really broken?
A rose by any other name...
What do you mean? If I knew my bitcoin wallet doubled its value every year, I would spend/invest NONE of it. And since everyone else would do the same, the value would grow even further and further, until it wouldn't. Then there is incentive to spend, thus flooding the market with bitcoins, which results in inflation, which forces to spend even more, before value is lost even further. Sounds like solid economical base to me.
I wonder, under what terms will BRICS bank lend Greece anything.
How is gold (or peg to it) any worse than bitcoin? Right now any entity that is afraid of volatility or deflation will avoid bitcoin, and most governments will.
Yes, you definitely need a tinfoil hat ASAP.
I understand that everyone concerned with security should be a bit paranoid, but the proper way to handle it should be through code review.
And systemd is 5(!) years old. It has been a while and glacial Debian has finally adopted it, as slowly as expected. How much longer do you expect it to be around before considered mature?
Yes, indeed I did.
Fixed that for me.
Every time /. has news on someone, who has committed [cyber]crime, the comments read like from ask.slashdot.org article "I would like to set up a criminal enterprise online. Any helpful tips?"
As per all "ask /." articles, most comments are borderline manslplaining (meaning, author has no experience in the field, has idea what he is talking about, but somehow it makes sense in his head and he is happy to share it). As in all diverse communities, some try to suggest that this is a bad idea and shouldn't be attempted in the first place. Such suggestions are soon thwarted with detailed explanations, why it is [a good idea|ethical|for the common good].
This sort of entertainment is why I keep reading Shashdot. Keep up the good work.
By "self regulating eco-system" AC meant that Earth always has a climate. And at some point (indefinite future) it will stabilize. Did snowball Earth (if such existed) have climate? Yes. Was it stable? Sure, for a while. So there you have it.
http://xkcd.com/1216/
Can you list all the things the kernel does in one line? coreutils? binutils? bash?
The root cause of all abuse is thinking other people are less important than your self, and as such can be treated worse than you.
Antisemitism comes from feeling of oppression (I guess. I really don't understand this one). Child abuse often justified as for their own good. Honour killings come from need to maintain honour. I am quite sure this is not a complete list. Even if the end result you propose would solve everything, how do we get there? Because just believing everyone is just as important as everyone else doesn't solve the abuse I listed above.
So tell me, how does shit-talking on the Internet reduce violence? What particular form of abuse is it efficient at solving?
Profanities won't solve it, nor am I advocating for them. But sometimes people in these sort of debates are so oblivious of the issues, I can understand why every other word a swear word.
I am sure you meant "All victims are women, all criminals are men"
And you should notice, that root causes for abuse are different. Unless you have an abuse solving fairy grandmother, that can magically solve all abuse, I am all for differential approach for reducing violence.
Why have any conversation about social issues? Since obviously opinions can't change.
Or do you think that whole /. community agrees is of same mind, because it isn't. People here can't even agree on facts.
So, your friends respect women, jet make sexist jokes. Oh, if only those women could see past sexism and enjoy the laughs. Just like in school, the poor sod, who is being called gay for not acting manly enough, should just laugh with everybody else, because come on, that is just a joke.
At first I thought I should just go with classical "if X says that Y do Z, it means that enough of Y do Z for it to be a problem", like, if for some woman only 20% (made up number) of male colleges make sexist remarks, it is surely not ALL men, but still it can make life unbearable. When I was in school, I was bullied by about 4 of 33 classmates and, believe me, the fact that it was ONLY about 10% didn't help.
BUT reading your comment further I seriously doubt you would even notice if you were misogynist. First, you just disregard their experience with "didn't see it, you must be making this up" and then say they should shut up about it. Then, to prove the point, you engage in sexist activities (at least passively, by accepting sexism) as a revenge (WTF?). And to top it all, you say women should accept hostile workplace environment, because it is just the way it is, when in fact it is YOU, the tech people, who make the tech environment the way it is.
You are just like those, who say "I don't see racism around me, so it doesn't exist".
And electronic voting solve any of these problems?
The article points out that Estionian e-elections increase(!) risk of fraud. You just said, that since there can be fraud with conventional elections, it doesn't matter, how elections are done. It just makes no sense. If there are risks of fraud, they should be minimised, not increased.
> with paper voting, the person can (usually) just take a photo of their ballot with their cell phone to prove who they voted for.
Take picture of one ballot and submit another.
Already solved by not allowing non-voting persons in voting area (not only in voting booth).
Which part of the AGPL prevents you from using it in IMAP?
Since when is RMS considered a troll?
The way of Linux is to have one awesome kernel with no viable competition.
The "mess up your life" translates as "sabojat tavu dzivi". Right now it says "mess up ones own life". And no, slashdot is still not friendly to non-latin alphabets.