I haven't tried the Eclipse builds, rather only the IBM branded (and modified) version called WebSphere Studio Application Developer. The linux builds for this were only in alpha (they're now in beta) so I can't say they're finished, but the speed wasn't horrible and I can only assume that by the time WSAD (and Eclipse) are in their final states, there will be very little difference in performance between W2K and Linux platforms.
As for Motif? Probably to maximize platform cross-compatibility. Eclipse was first publicly announced/released (by IBM) late last year.
Finally the customized key bindings are probably a safe bet. Emacs key bindings are present in VisualAge and oft used so I can only assume that they'll be available immediately in WSAD (but I haven't checked in the builds I've run). If not, they should be addable with relative ease.
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I'm sure he didn't write it in English so what's the point in being pedantic?
while i mostly agree, there is some slight difference (very). the terrorists have targeted and killed civilians and civilians only. The difference is really in the intent. This aggression if taken as an act of war may result in innocent civilians being killed. War, by its nature, kills and does not (and cannot be expected to) differentiate between innocent and guilty.
add to that that he has attacked the World Trade Center before (1993) and that 3 weeks ago he threatened that they would be carrying out an attack on the US of unprecedented proportions.
On the other hand, very few news organizations (and no respectable ones that I've) have named Bin Laden the aggressor. His name has come up often today in discussions on possible culprits along with the Hamas, DFLP, and a few other groups. But all news outlets I have seen this morning have cautioned against jumping to conclusions as to who actually perpetrated quite possibly the worst terrorist act ever.
No, IBM has stated numerous times (sorry, no links) that they don't want an "IBM Linux" of any sort.
However they do have strategic partnerships with 4 different distributions -- Red Hat, SuSE, TurboLinux, and Caldera. These partnerships basically state that IBM and the distro company will ensure that IBM server software (DB2, Lotus Domino, WebSphere, MQSeries, etc) runs and is packaged properly for these distros. The partnerships have been in place for a year or two at least but were originally chosen to get a very wide coverage throughout the world (RedHat in US, SuSE in Europe, TurboLinux in Asia, and Caldera in Antartica(?)).
Since SuSE and RedHat are probably the main 2 left of the original 4 (yes, TurboLinux and Caldera are still kicking -- some less than others) there is good reason that IBM make sure SuSE stay afloat.
Why in the world would they calculate the speed using the GPS? My car has this little needle that tells me how fast I'm going. The only thing the GPS is likely for is to figure out the location and the speed limit of the road at that location.
Though I am certainly no Packer fan myself (I'm from Minnesota) I have to stand up for every Packer fan I have ever met. The Packers are able to survive, even thrive, in probably the smallest market in professional sports. This is due, in no small part, to having the most loyal fans of ANY professional sports team. The waiting list is very long for Packers tickets -- a good friend just got his two season tickets 28 years after his parents put his name on the waiting list when he was born. The list is surely longer now than it was then. Home games for the Packers are completely sold out for the foreseeable future and this where half (approx.) the home games are played in weather well below freezing. I'd say the middle of the league in revenue isn't so bad at all. In addition they have some stadium proposals out that would fix the current small stadium size (and some of these plans are absolutely spectacular).
Any professional sports team with fans even half as loyal should be proud.
I will agree that current speech recognition isn't perfect and often needs a large amount of training, but this should be understandable considering how it must be able to handle the pronunciations/mumblings of everyone. In addition, as mentioned in the response above, speech recognition is not a complete solution for typing as things you want to "write" may need to remain private even when "writing" in public. Also, even if speech recognition was 100% accurate, in many cases it will be slower than typing.
It's totally irresponsible of you to lay the blame on the parents here and absolve the school system when you know nothing about the matter
Likewise, it is totally irresponsible of you to lay the blame on the school and absolve the parents when you know nothing about the matter.
Implying that the school should know that a 10 day suspension and possible threat of jail is going to "cause" this kid to commit suicide (regardless of what he did) while tacitly accepting that even the parents had no idea it would happen is beyond comprehension to me.
After rereading, I do agree it does say one per customer. And I have to admit, I'm not familiar with the Software Manager at all. However, I would assume that RH makes "customer" distinctions based on registration from a boxed copy (as most every other company does with a license key). As such, I don't see any real practical difference between one per customer and one per boxed copy.
Admittedly doing this may cause some administration headaches due to the need to maintain a list of RedHat Network Customer Ids and PWs for each machine, but that's where some of the value of this service comes in. You need not keep track of that anymore, just put it under one Customer Id and pay something.
Now getting to your example of a big corporation being a single customer rather than 4000 separate customers I agree. But wouldn't you think that a company even close to that size would have some separate service contract with RH that make this whole discussion a moot point?
But consider a slightly smaller company ( 100 workstations) than you mentioned. Conceivably this company could buy a single CD and install it on all their machines. If the update service is free that is a lot of lost revenue for RH and that is what RH is targetting with this.
This subscription service just compensates for the fact that once you buy one boxed copy (or download it free) you are free to install that on any number of machines without any more compensation directed back to RH. By allowing only one workstation to take advantage of this Software Manager update without charge, they are trying to recapture some of that lost revenue stream.
You've still got several choices here:
1. Buy a boxed copy of RH for each machine and update to your heart's content.
2. Pay for the subscription service on each machine (beyond the first).
3. Update the software yourself.
4. Switch distros.
But note that even with this subscription service for Windows update is no more free (as in beer) than RH. You are allowed (in Windows) to install on ONLY 1 machine which can then be updated for free. Same with RH. But RH allows you to install on another machine without having to buy another license.
Seems like if you killed someone (with a police officer watching mind you), you SHOULD be in jail. Unless you can prove that officer is lying you're gonna have a hell of a hrad time convincing any jury you didn't do it.
Doesn't anyone have a problem with a system that's designed, right down to the citations issued by it, to assume you're guilty?
Why would I be issued a speeding ticket if I wasn't speeding? Seems like if I was speeding I should be paying that ticket. And you can be rest assured that if you're given a speeding ticket, you ARE most likely going to have to prove you're actually innocent because the fact that you the cop stopped you and wrote you a ticket pretty squarely places the burden of proof back on you. And so you're left trying to prove that the cop gave you the ticket even though you weren't speeding....and the system's telling YOU where to shove it.
I haven't got a clue what your article has to do with Victoria Secret and or the net. Can you help?
IF there are two different Victoria's Secret / Super Bowl incidents, you ARE free to infer whatever you want. But your article isn't an example of such an "incident" (Victoria Secret != violence against women) so as far as we're concerned you haven't had your coffee yet today.
The answer is ALL. If it was 47%, there wouldn't be any % difference between the popular vote results nationwide and the electoral college system. That would render the use of electoral college as an intermediary pretty much useless since they would really be converting the voting units from 'people' to 'electoral college votes.'
Thanks for the info, my knowledge of Zope is (obviously) limited. However, I am not sure one would be able to use Zope to invalidate this patent. Whatever this eMedicine software really is, it seems to do quite a bit more than Zope does (specifically workflow -- which can be a pretty major thing if it is to be industrial strength). Apparently one can extend ZClasses to have Zope perform workflow management, but I don't see this being an entirely trivial task. I do not pretend to know how the prior art system actually works, but I'm not sure Zope would fit because it is functionally a (potentially small) subset of the functionality in the GPS. The two examples I mentioned in my previous post may work as they appear to do *everything* that the GPS software does.
But the point in my original post is that it is all about workflow. Content management without workflow is a fish without water (it's just good eating). Properly implemented support for workflow processes can be invaluable and is not (IMHO) obvious.
To say slashdot is a "content management system" is a bit of a stretch. surely you can author, edit and store stuff but only minimally. versioning does not exist (as far as I know). by this stretch nearly everything is a content management system, even my copy of Quicken with which i can create and edit quicken files and using the Windows file system and explorer for version control, i've got pretty much everything there. Hopefully you see my point. Whether you agree with it or not is not my concern.
Totally agree. Before everyone on Slashdot goes crazy about how there is all this prior art from CVS, Zope, and wiki, read the actual press release.
What eMedicine has here is a full content management system. This is not version control. Most importantly every product mentioned as prior art in the/. posting is missing one thing: workflow processes. The ability to automatically enforce some asset be edited by this person, approved by 2 of these 3 people, then moved to staging, approved after UA testing, and moved to production seems to be a key part of what eMedicine has.
This has certainly been done before though not by any of the products mentioned above. Interwoven's Teamsite and Vignette's V/5 Content Management Server are 2 examples of products (and there are a number of others) that seem to do everything mentioned in the press release.
But true content management and workflow support are things that neither CVS, Zope, or wiki have. Slow down Slashdot.
Actually, if you read (or maybe reread) the cnet article linked to in the slashdot post you will notice that many people seem to be a bit confused about the whole thing, jeko included. There are two different pricing "problems" from Amazon and are, purportedly, unrelated.
1. The original problem mentioned on Slashdot where customers were charged different prices for the same item depending on cookies and other stuff.
2. The one mentioned in the cnet article linked to by slashdot where some DVDs were "mistakenly" priced up to 75% off the list price and now Amazon want's people who ordered them at that price to pay the "real" price.
I think that the e-mail jeko received was referring to number 2, but he assumed that it was talking about option 1. According to Amazon, number 1 was "research", number 2 a "mistake."
WebSphere (and the other application servers you listed) is an application server which, in short, means that it has the ability to serve applications. These applications can be browser based (Servlets/JSPs, Applets, etc.), Java based (as in a Java client connects to WebSphere on some server), and other possibilities. The application types just listed are completely platform independent (or can easily be made to be such). This means that Windows as an (desktop) operating system provides no (or few) advantages and now the costs more clearly outweigh the benefits windows can provide. The desktop is now merely an environment that can run Java apps and/or a browser.
So yes, Websphere competes with ATG, BEA, SilverStream, etc. but they also all compete with Windows on a certain level. Now, obviously the application server idea cannot replace all of the current uses of Windows in the corporate environment, but think call centers and the like. Order entry can just as easily be done in an JSP based application or an applet along with any other duties of the majority of order/data entry people.
I've installed it dozens of times on NT, Linux, and AIX. Never had a problem with it not running immediately after reboot. The install instructions are complete (I have never found them otherwise) and if you follow them to the letter, you should have no problem. Granted it's never going to work everytime so...
Modern Greece yes, but to say that "the Greeks" were European is to go a bit far as Europe really didn't exist during the Greek hey-day (yes, the land was there so if you want to be pedantic to a fault...). So when I said that Greeks had discovered forms of electricity and not Europeans as the above poster claim, I was drawing a definite distinction between Greece then and now (as there should be). If really need to believe Europe beats the crap out of the US, by all means take Greece. But please, please can we have Rome?
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i liked the part where you didn't ask a question
that's a nice theory, but everyone knows..nice flies finish last.
crawling back into my hole...
I haven't tried the Eclipse builds, rather only the IBM branded (and modified) version called WebSphere Studio Application Developer. The linux builds for this were only in alpha (they're now in beta) so I can't say they're finished, but the speed wasn't horrible and I can only assume that by the time WSAD (and Eclipse) are in their final states, there will be very little difference in performance between W2K and Linux platforms.
As for Motif? Probably to maximize platform cross-compatibility. Eclipse was first publicly announced/released (by IBM) late last year.
Finally the customized key bindings are probably a safe bet. Emacs key bindings are present in VisualAge and oft used so I can only assume that they'll be available immediately in WSAD (but I haven't checked in the builds I've run). If not, they should be addable with relative ease.
I'm sure he didn't write it in English so what's the point in being pedantic?
while i mostly agree, there is some slight difference (very). the terrorists have targeted and killed civilians and civilians only. The difference is really in the intent. This aggression if taken as an act of war may result in innocent civilians being killed. War, by its nature, kills and does not (and cannot be expected to) differentiate between innocent and guilty.
add to that that he has attacked the World Trade Center before (1993) and that 3 weeks ago he threatened that they would be carrying out an attack on the US of unprecedented proportions.
On the other hand, very few news organizations (and no respectable ones that I've) have named Bin Laden the aggressor. His name has come up often today in discussions on possible culprits along with the Hamas, DFLP, and a few other groups. But all news outlets I have seen this morning have cautioned against jumping to conclusions as to who actually perpetrated quite possibly the worst terrorist act ever.
No, IBM has stated numerous times (sorry, no links) that they don't want an "IBM Linux" of any sort.
However they do have strategic partnerships with 4 different distributions -- Red Hat, SuSE, TurboLinux, and Caldera. These partnerships basically state that IBM and the distro company will ensure that IBM server software (DB2, Lotus Domino, WebSphere, MQSeries, etc) runs and is packaged properly for these distros. The partnerships have been in place for a year or two at least but were originally chosen to get a very wide coverage throughout the world (RedHat in US, SuSE in Europe, TurboLinux in Asia, and Caldera in Antartica(?)).
Since SuSE and RedHat are probably the main 2 left of the original 4 (yes, TurboLinux and Caldera are still kicking -- some less than others) there is good reason that IBM make sure SuSE stay afloat.
Why in the world would they calculate the speed using the GPS? My car has this little needle that tells me how fast I'm going. The only thing the GPS is likely for is to figure out the location and the speed limit of the road at that location.
Though I am certainly no Packer fan myself (I'm from Minnesota) I have to stand up for every Packer fan I have ever met. The Packers are able to survive, even thrive, in probably the smallest market in professional sports. This is due, in no small part, to having the most loyal fans of ANY professional sports team. The waiting list is very long for Packers tickets -- a good friend just got his two season tickets 28 years after his parents put his name on the waiting list when he was born. The list is surely longer now than it was then. Home games for the Packers are completely sold out for the foreseeable future and this where half (approx.) the home games are played in weather well below freezing. I'd say the middle of the league in revenue isn't so bad at all. In addition they have some stadium proposals out that would fix the current small stadium size (and some of these plans are absolutely spectacular).
Any professional sports team with fans even half as loyal should be proud.
I will agree that current speech recognition isn't perfect and often needs a large amount of training, but this should be understandable considering how it must be able to handle the pronunciations/mumblings of everyone. In addition, as mentioned in the response above, speech recognition is not a complete solution for typing as things you want to "write" may need to remain private even when "writing" in public. Also, even if speech recognition was 100% accurate, in many cases it will be slower than typing.
Implying that the school should know that a 10 day suspension and possible threat of jail is going to "cause" this kid to commit suicide (regardless of what he did) while tacitly accepting that even the parents had no idea it would happen is beyond comprehension to me.
After rereading, I do agree it does say one per customer. And I have to admit, I'm not familiar with the Software Manager at all. However, I would assume that RH makes "customer" distinctions based on registration from a boxed copy (as most every other company does with a license key). As such, I don't see any real practical difference between one per customer and one per boxed copy.
Admittedly doing this may cause some administration headaches due to the need to maintain a list of RedHat Network Customer Ids and PWs for each machine, but that's where some of the value of this service comes in. You need not keep track of that anymore, just put it under one Customer Id and pay something.
Now getting to your example of a big corporation being a single customer rather than 4000 separate customers I agree. But wouldn't you think that a company even close to that size would have some separate service contract with RH that make this whole discussion a moot point?
But consider a slightly smaller company ( 100 workstations) than you mentioned. Conceivably this company could buy a single CD and install it on all their machines. If the update service is free that is a lot of lost revenue for RH and that is what RH is targetting with this.
This subscription service just compensates for the fact that once you buy one boxed copy (or download it free) you are free to install that on any number of machines without any more compensation directed back to RH. By allowing only one workstation to take advantage of this Software Manager update without charge, they are trying to recapture some of that lost revenue stream.
You've still got several choices here:
1. Buy a boxed copy of RH for each machine and update to your heart's content.
2. Pay for the subscription service on each machine (beyond the first).
3. Update the software yourself.
4. Switch distros.
But note that even with this subscription service for Windows update is no more free (as in beer) than RH. You are allowed (in Windows) to install on ONLY 1 machine which can then be updated for free. Same with RH. But RH allows you to install on another machine without having to buy another license.
Seems like if you killed someone (with a police officer watching mind you), you SHOULD be in jail. Unless you can prove that officer is lying you're gonna have a hell of a hrad time convincing any jury you didn't do it.
Why would I be issued a speeding ticket if I wasn't speeding? Seems like if I was speeding I should be paying that ticket. And you can be rest assured that if you're given a speeding ticket, you ARE most likely going to have to prove you're actually innocent because the fact that you the cop stopped you and wrote you a ticket pretty squarely places the burden of proof back on you. And so you're left trying to prove that the cop gave you the ticket even though you weren't speeding....and the system's telling YOU where to shove it.
I haven't got a clue what your article has to do with Victoria Secret and or the net. Can you help?
IF there are two different Victoria's Secret / Super Bowl incidents, you ARE free to infer whatever you want. But your article isn't an example of such an "incident" (Victoria Secret != violence against women) so as far as we're concerned you haven't had your coffee yet today.
The answer is ALL. If it was 47%, there wouldn't be any % difference between the popular vote results nationwide and the electoral college system. That would render the use of electoral college as an intermediary pretty much useless since they would really be converting the voting units from 'people' to 'electoral college votes.'
spectacular...now, can you do that without dividing by zero?
Thanks for the info, my knowledge of Zope is (obviously) limited. However, I am not sure one would be able to use Zope to invalidate this patent. Whatever this eMedicine software really is, it seems to do quite a bit more than Zope does (specifically workflow -- which can be a pretty major thing if it is to be industrial strength). Apparently one can extend ZClasses to have Zope perform workflow management, but I don't see this being an entirely trivial task. I do not pretend to know how the prior art system actually works, but I'm not sure Zope would fit because it is functionally a (potentially small) subset of the functionality in the GPS. The two examples I mentioned in my previous post may work as they appear to do *everything* that the GPS software does.
But the point in my original post is that it is all about workflow. Content management without workflow is a fish without water (it's just good eating). Properly implemented support for workflow processes can be invaluable and is not (IMHO) obvious.
To say slashdot is a "content management system" is a bit of a stretch. surely you can author, edit and store stuff but only minimally. versioning does not exist (as far as I know). by this stretch nearly everything is a content management system, even my copy of Quicken with which i can create and edit quicken files and using the Windows file system and explorer for version control, i've got pretty much everything there. Hopefully you see my point. Whether you agree with it or not is not my concern.
Totally agree. Before everyone on Slashdot goes crazy about how there is all this prior art from CVS, Zope, and wiki, read the actual press release.
/. posting is missing one thing: workflow processes. The ability to automatically enforce some asset be edited by this person, approved by 2 of these 3 people, then moved to staging, approved after UA testing, and moved to production seems to be a key part of what eMedicine has.
What eMedicine has here is a full content management system. This is not version control. Most importantly every product mentioned as prior art in the
This has certainly been done before though not by any of the products mentioned above. Interwoven's Teamsite and Vignette's V/5 Content Management Server are 2 examples of products (and there are a number of others) that seem to do everything mentioned in the press release.
But true content management and workflow support are things that neither CVS, Zope, or wiki have. Slow down Slashdot.
Actually, if you read (or maybe reread) the cnet article linked to in the slashdot post you will notice that many people seem to be a bit confused about the whole thing, jeko included. There are two different pricing "problems" from Amazon and are, purportedly, unrelated.
1. The original problem mentioned on Slashdot where customers were charged different prices for the same item depending on cookies and other stuff.
2. The one mentioned in the cnet article linked to by slashdot where some DVDs were "mistakenly" priced up to 75% off the list price and now Amazon want's people who ordered them at that price to pay the "real" price.
I think that the e-mail jeko received was referring to number 2, but he assumed that it was talking about option 1. According to Amazon, number 1 was "research", number 2 a "mistake."
that'd be version 2.03
version 3.02 is now out for linux and is quite a bit better than 2.03, especially on the administration front (imo)
if you're still interested, i'd suggest checking it out. you should be able to download the standard edition at ibm's software site
WebSphere (and the other application servers you listed) is an application server which, in short, means that it has the ability to serve applications. These applications can be browser based (Servlets/JSPs, Applets, etc.), Java based (as in a Java client connects to WebSphere on some server), and other possibilities. The application types just listed are completely platform independent (or can easily be made to be such). This means that Windows as an (desktop) operating system provides no (or few) advantages and now the costs more clearly outweigh the benefits windows can provide. The desktop is now merely an environment that can run Java apps and/or a browser.
So yes, Websphere competes with ATG, BEA, SilverStream, etc. but they also all compete with Windows on a certain level. Now, obviously the application server idea cannot replace all of the current uses of Windows in the corporate environment, but think call centers and the like. Order entry can just as easily be done in an JSP based application or an applet along with any other duties of the majority of order/data entry people.
It may be you...
I've installed it dozens of times on NT, Linux, and AIX. Never had a problem with it not running immediately after reboot. The install instructions are complete (I have never found them otherwise) and if you follow them to the letter, you should have no problem. Granted it's never going to work everytime so...
What version were you trying to install? OS? etc.
Modern Greece yes, but to say that "the Greeks" were European is to go a bit far as Europe really didn't exist during the Greek hey-day (yes, the land was there so if you want to be pedantic to a fault...). So when I said that Greeks had discovered forms of electricity and not Europeans as the above poster claim, I was drawing a definite distinction between Greece then and now (as there should be). If really need to believe Europe beats the crap out of the US, by all means take Greece. But please, please can we have Rome?