What about apps that don't need that space? What about the extra 'travel time' to get to a non attached bar? Or the fact that if windows are overlapped, you aren't necessarily wasting space, AND you can have multiple bars readily available as needed.
In that case, I'd still take my 20-year-old corded phones in my house over the new wireless ones. Sure I can't move around as much, but when the power goes out...
MS had the Quicklaunch and task bar. Apple took these, merged them, added some polish and got the Dock. I think CDE had a Quicklaunch equivalent first.
In folder displays, MS had document info displays/panes before Apple. Same thing with the location bar. Apple later copied those.
It's small stuff like that, but in some cases, quite useful stuff.
As for the former, mostly because of the ridiculous cost.
I don't think I've ever seen a *new* windows based tablet for under $1200, and then it's a piece of garbage (you are looking at $1800-$1900 for anything decent).
I would have gotten one of those myself, when they had made 14" tablets, but I didn't have a decent job then. I got said decent job about a year after that was no longer an option, and the decent tablets were alll 12" or less.
Then again, I would end up using them more inline with the "notebook that doesn't have a keyboard between myself and the screen" than normal tablet use...
I think the cost issue is the big thing though. When it comes down to it, you could get significantly better hardware for less on a notebook, and the benefits of the tablet form factor weren't promoted.
Marketing fail, pricing fail. Not product quality fail.
There are some nice examples of what MS has "done first" on the web, in terms of UI, compared to Mac at least. Though by far, MS is a follower not a leader, they don't always copy. And as you said, some of their copying gives much needed polish to an idea.
I posted that, and then I realized, I would actually put a tablet to use in the kitchen, for recipes. That's about the only use I have for it. And it's not worth a tablet price.
Why? We can fit most of the power people need in them, and they are convenient.
I have literally zero interest in a tablet. I like my books dead tree, and I'm usually by a computer, so if I need to do something internet/computer related, the computer is convenient, moreso since it's got a keyboard. That being said, I am NOT most users, most users don't usually have a computer nearby wherever they go, and most users don't do nearly as much typing, the point and click (or slide and tap) interfaces are just fine for them.
it's purpose is to inform us of the issues so they can be fixed ASAP (rather then ignored while people 'roll there own' and get away with it for longer).
The worms in the reactor will eat the fuel rods, become radioactive, mutate, and destroy/dominate the world!
* Preemptive defense against the person who will take this post seriously: I realize most mutations have no significant effect, most of the remainder are harmful, and the chances of a slightly beneficial mutation, let alone a highly beneficial mutation is highly negligible. This post is for humor sake only.
durr, I was thinking of constant when I saw the word finite because the post was in response to the comment with "zero sum game", which I take to mean available value is unchanging.
Applying your analogy to software doesn't cover piracy. Piracy would be someone copying the WHOLE book and giving it away to others (or charging some price for the copies).
Your analogy would be equivalent to me getting a copy of Mathematica (to use an example I'm familiar with), occasionally people coming to me with some huge calculus problem they can't solve and me putting it through mathematica and given them the answer.
You people didn't use the book, they used information FROM the book. My people didn't use the software they used information FROM the software.
I wasn't commenting on the reported loss, I agree the BSAs numbers are absurd, but nothing you said counters my point - you should pay the asking price or use something else.
How is there a finite amount of value? Each person that can/does supply services is an increase in value. Every mineral and piece of food that comes out of the ground is a bit of value added.
Every piece of food digested/rotted, and every item gone to the dump is value removed.
None of these totals are constant. I'm sure, at best someone could come up with the value available per-capita is fairly constant, but I'd have trouble believing even that.
Also, money is the representation of "value" in the market (goods, man-hours over a given timeframe for services, etc.). Only a fool would think that these resources are constant at any given time. Things are created/destroyed regularly, and the total available can go up or down.
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I was thinking more of the in-program menus, not the windows menu... There are a lot more menus than just the system menu on most OSes.
What about apps that don't need that space? What about the extra 'travel time' to get to a non attached bar? Or the fact that if windows are overlapped, you aren't necessarily wasting space, AND you can have multiple bars readily available as needed.
Kein danke.
Sadly, this is what I've had to do. Unfortunately, it seems to be harder and harder to find non-wide-format monitors.
So few apps are written to handle monitors with vertical resolution of less than 1k pixels, that these new monitors are getting rather obnoxious.
I think UI design should have an option to put menus on the side now, to handle the wider formats.
Point taken.
In that case, I'd still take my 20-year-old corded phones in my house over the new wireless ones. Sure I can't move around as much, but when the power goes out...
Yeah, say that after running the experimental branch of any operating system.
They are iPad owners.
Their souls have long since been eaten and shat out.
And that has nothing to do with it.
MS had the Quicklaunch and task bar. Apple took these, merged them, added some polish and got the Dock. I think CDE had a Quicklaunch equivalent first.
In folder displays, MS had document info displays/panes before Apple. Same thing with the location bar. Apple later copied those.
It's small stuff like that, but in some cases, quite useful stuff.
About half of these I remember seeing in some *NIX before Windows, but there's still some good examples.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/top-10-features-apple-stole-windows-966
As for the former, mostly because of the ridiculous cost.
I don't think I've ever seen a *new* windows based tablet for under $1200, and then it's a piece of garbage (you are looking at $1800-$1900 for anything decent).
I would have gotten one of those myself, when they had made 14" tablets, but I didn't have a decent job then. I got said decent job about a year after that was no longer an option, and the decent tablets were alll 12" or less.
Then again, I would end up using them more inline with the "notebook that doesn't have a keyboard between myself and the screen" than normal tablet use...
I think the cost issue is the big thing though. When it comes down to it, you could get significantly better hardware for less on a notebook, and the benefits of the tablet form factor weren't promoted.
Marketing fail, pricing fail. Not product quality fail.
There are some nice examples of what MS has "done first" on the web, in terms of UI, compared to Mac at least. Though by far, MS is a follower not a leader, they don't always copy. And as you said, some of their copying gives much needed polish to an idea.
I posted that, and then I realized, I would actually put a tablet to use in the kitchen, for recipes. That's about the only use I have for it. And it's not worth a tablet price.
Why? We can fit most of the power people need in them, and they are convenient.
I have literally zero interest in a tablet. I like my books dead tree, and I'm usually by a computer, so if I need to do something internet/computer related, the computer is convenient, moreso since it's got a keyboard. That being said, I am NOT most users, most users don't usually have a computer nearby wherever they go, and most users don't do nearly as much typing, the point and click (or slide and tap) interfaces are just fine for them.
it's purpose is to inform us of the issues so they can be fixed ASAP (rather then ignored while people 'roll there own' and get away with it for longer).
And the people who come to slashdot and think they have the right to any non-physical copyrightted work, even without paying for it.
So, the security holes in flash, and the single implementer (at least, single successful/tolerable quality implementer) isn't a problem of flash?
Flash is run by one company, with at best, a shoddy reputation for security concerns. HTML 5 will have many implementors.
So, yeah, I think it's reasonable that HTML 5 will be more secure after the first year or two.
Just one?
What the hell planet do you live on, and how do I get there?
The worms in the reactor will eat the fuel rods, become radioactive, mutate, and destroy/dominate the world!
* Preemptive defense against the person who will take this post seriously: I realize most mutations have no significant effect, most of the remainder are harmful, and the chances of a slightly beneficial mutation, let alone a highly beneficial mutation is highly negligible. This post is for humor sake only.
durr, I was thinking of constant when I saw the word finite because the post was in response to the comment with "zero sum game", which I take to mean available value is unchanging.
but it isn't accessible or necessarily known, so it is not value in circulation, and therefore is at best, only partially considered in currency.
Likewise, your example doesn't count people or changing population sizes.
Applying your analogy to software doesn't cover piracy. Piracy would be someone copying the WHOLE book and giving it away to others (or charging some price for the copies).
Your analogy would be equivalent to me getting a copy of Mathematica (to use an example I'm familiar with), occasionally people coming to me with some huge calculus problem they can't solve and me putting it through mathematica and given them the answer.
You people didn't use the book, they used information FROM the book. My people didn't use the software they used information FROM the software.
I wasn't commenting on the reported loss, I agree the BSAs numbers are absurd, but nothing you said counters my point - you should pay the asking price or use something else.
Try before buy is one thing, but to keep using it without paying is something else entirely.
Lacking mod points, or even the ability to mod this thread at this point, I'll just say: thank you.
How is there a finite amount of value? Each person that can/does supply services is an increase in value. Every mineral and piece of food that comes out of the ground is a bit of value added.
Every piece of food digested/rotted, and every item gone to the dump is value removed.
None of these totals are constant. I'm sure, at best someone could come up with the value available per-capita is fairly constant, but I'd have trouble believing even that.
Also, money is the representation of "value" in the market (goods, man-hours over a given timeframe for services, etc.). Only a fool would think that these resources are constant at any given time. Things are created/destroyed regularly, and the total available can go up or down.