Yes but how can you hold them liable when they have absolutely no real control over the cash flow? If they were the ones overseeing the actual transfers of cash, Then it WOULD be a cost of doing business, since they would be entirely responsible for the transaction.
Honestly I think paypal should have a simlar system to Western Union, where they hold the cash when sent, supply the sender with an auth code, and notify the receiver that the money is there. Then when a transaction is completed, the sender supplies the receiver with the auth code to finish the transfer.
Sure there may be cases of people who refuse to release it, but I think the number of people who would try to scam cash out of people is greater than the number of people who try to scam goods.
This is hardly a surprise, one would think it obvious that the resources it would cost Ebay as a company to have to keep track of, let alone take action upon, the constant fraud cases would be immense. As long as a high enough percentage of trades are legitimate and involve satisfied customers, no legal organization is going to bother holding Ebay responsible.
I would have thought that reporting fraudulent users and such would be more the responsibility of the end users anyways, since its not much different than having people make purchases from someone at a flea market or something like that. You dont hold the owner of the building responsible if the "antique" you bought turned out to be a cheap knockoff.
Or do you? I'm not entirely sure of all american small courts laws.
Well, the 'All GPL All the Time' approach _can_ work but only in situations where a 'Support Based' business model can survive. Admittedly this has its problems, since you gotta wait for your product to become fairly widely used before you start making money off the small percentage that wants support, but its still viable.
With many companies unable to come up with a decent business model that allows them to be profitable while licensing their software under gpl, its not surprising that Sistina is taking an 'easier way out'. This allows us to still play with clustering projects if we feel like it, but if we ever want to sell out services based upon they get a cut of the action.
If we're profiting from their work I see this as only fair.
Of course I'd prefer if they'd just develop a better business model rather than a different license, but I still understand their position
That is sort of a false parallel. Apple owns pretty much every patent on every piece of Mac hardware, while Microsoft merely develops the software for what can be considered third party hardware. I'm sure if Microsoft developed their own system architechture, processor, and made a deal with a major video card manufacturer, they could include whatever the hell they wanted in their distributed OS as well.
Well if you're talking a small business or home network, yeah that would be fine. The reason this setup is great for corps though is the fact that its 'guaranteed' secure by HP. The cash isn't for the software (since most of it is GPL'd), nor primarily for the machine, but for the words on paper that remove liability from your IT department, heh. Plus this kind of purchase keeps the PHB's happy, and thinking they know whats going on.
Honestly I'd rather have them grab a few of these with our budget than be put under the gun when someone misses a detail when reconfigging a box.
Of course that isn't what he said at all, His point is more that there ARE users who wont be able to pick up BSD's cli on the fly, but do have the potential to learn so long as they are presented with the information. He never said "cli is horrible, up with bloated gui's" he was just stating that BSD's cli is a bit cryptic for people just starting out.
would you prefer that bsd/linux os's remain a geek elitist niche, or would you rather it become a more powerful force in the OS world?
How on earth does this post get modded Troll? He makes a very valid point and doesn't go far from the topic just to bring out conflicts. Hell, he isn't even posting against OSS *ix's, he's just making a common observation. When was the last time you were able to explain partitioning or ip tunneling to an average user without their eyes glazing over?
Imagine the benefits if we rewarded outstanding software with a few cases of Bawls. We'd then have content caffeinated coders ready to twitch up another product, heh.
One of the major problems the open source community has is its approach to defending its position and attempting to publicise itself is we can drone all day about how our products are free-as-in-GPL, and how much open sourced products help the user community, but the majority of judges and lawyers involved still won't know what all that means. Try explaining the difference between beer-free and opensource-free and you get a lot of eyes glazing over.
Secondly, many many lower court Judges have already been pre-conditioned by the media to automatically connect words like 'coder' and 'free software' with 'hacker' and 'piracy'. With Open Source not even being close to mainstream these days, they'll likely never know the truth without being part of the community. Compared to all the Joe Everymans out there, we make up a small minority. What people need to see are more win32 and macOS open source applications that they will use and understand.
Thirdly, the open sourced community has taken a strange legal approach in my point of view. With an ideal that is directly counter to most of the corporate world's ideology, Open Source needs to do more than fight the challenges are thrown at them with DMCA and DeCSS trials, We honestly need someone who can find a test case to bring to court that is so black and white under the law that the courts have to rule in our favour. Open Source has very few established precedents compared to Software Piracy and Malicious Hacking cases.
I may not have a Law degree, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
I'm not an authority, so maybe one of the nuclear fusion researchers can clarify this, but is neutron radiation a dangerous form of radiation? I thought it was Ionizing Radiations are the primary health concern when it comes to forms of nuclear power.
Or is neutron radiation actually a form of Ionizing radiation? If anyone knows I'd be much obliged.
I admit that AO's launch was extremely premature, but the incredible variety of issues that came out with release has allowed them to pinpoint errors that would have taken months of beta testing, even open beta testing, to uncover. They've reduced lag and disconnects by a heck of a lot, although not as much as they claim imo, and have fixed numerous bugs that were plaguing initial release. At least for me, it seems that AO is on the way to becoming a great game.
Too bad the initial bad PR might end up killing them.
You're right about the lack of exciting advancement in space, but you have to admit the ISS project really is a necessary step for any new progress. I'm fairly sure any attempts at a manned mission to Mars would require either a vessel constructed in space or a vessel that refuels/refits in space. Sometimes periods of boredom are required for development, whether you lose tv ratings or not.
When was the last time you were wildly excited about debugging? heh.
I think smnolde was asking more if OEM Distributers would be allowed to bundle shell replacements like litestep preinstalled, not just whether its possible to do on your own. Also theres quite a few different shell replacements out there, not just litestep.
I'm not totally up on what the MS Windows OEM license looks like, but would this mean an OEM distributer could make its own style of shell replacement for the default explorer shell, like many users already do? I must admit that would make for some variety between pre-builts.
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...very angry indeed!
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Not all transactions are made using paypal.
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Yes but how can you hold them liable when they have absolutely no real control over the cash flow? If they were the ones overseeing the actual transfers of cash, Then it WOULD be a cost of doing business, since they would be entirely responsible for the transaction.
Just my opinion, you're entitled to your own.
Honestly I think paypal should have a simlar system to Western Union, where they hold the cash when sent, supply the sender with an auth code, and notify the receiver that the money is there. Then when a transaction is completed, the sender supplies the receiver with the auth code to finish the transfer.
Sure there may be cases of people who refuse to release it, but I think the number of people who would try to scam cash out of people is greater than the number of people who try to scam goods.
This is hardly a surprise, one would think it obvious that the resources it would cost Ebay as a company to have to keep track of, let alone take action upon, the constant fraud cases would be immense. As long as a high enough percentage of trades are legitimate and involve satisfied customers, no legal organization is going to bother holding Ebay responsible.
I would have thought that reporting fraudulent users and such would be more the responsibility of the end users anyways, since its not much different than having people make purchases from someone at a flea market or something like that. You dont hold the owner of the building responsible if the "antique" you bought turned out to be a cheap knockoff.
Or do you? I'm not entirely sure of all american small courts laws.
Well, the 'All GPL All the Time' approach _can_ work but only in situations where a 'Support Based' business model can survive. Admittedly this has its problems, since you gotta wait for your product to become fairly widely used before you start making money off the small percentage that wants support, but its still viable.
With many companies unable to come up with a decent business model that allows them to be profitable while licensing their software under gpl, its not surprising that Sistina is taking an 'easier way out'. This allows us to still play with clustering projects if we feel like it, but if we ever want to sell out services based upon they get a cut of the action.
If we're profiting from their work I see this as only fair.
Of course I'd prefer if they'd just develop a better business model rather than a different license, but I still understand their position
That is sort of a false parallel. Apple owns pretty much every patent on every piece of Mac hardware, while Microsoft merely develops the software for what can be considered third party hardware. I'm sure if Microsoft developed their own system architechture, processor, and made a deal with a major video card manufacturer, they could include whatever the hell they wanted in their distributed OS as well.
Well if you're talking a small business or home network, yeah that would be fine. The reason this setup is great for corps though is the fact that its 'guaranteed' secure by HP. The cash isn't for the software (since most of it is GPL'd), nor primarily for the machine, but for the words on paper that remove liability from your IT department, heh. Plus this kind of purchase keeps the PHB's happy, and thinking they know whats going on.
Honestly I'd rather have them grab a few of these with our budget than be put under the gun when someone misses a detail when reconfigging a box.
Of course that isn't what he said at all, His point is more that there ARE users who wont be able to pick up BSD's cli on the fly, but do have the potential to learn so long as they are presented with the information. He never said "cli is horrible, up with bloated gui's" he was just stating that BSD's cli is a bit cryptic for people just starting out.
would you prefer that bsd/linux os's remain a geek elitist niche, or would you rather it become a more powerful force in the OS world?
How on earth does this post get modded Troll? He makes a very valid point and doesn't go far from the topic just to bring out conflicts. Hell, he isn't even posting against OSS *ix's, he's just making a common observation. When was the last time you were able to explain partitioning or ip tunneling to an average user without their eyes glazing over?
Give me liberty or mod me down.
*chalks one up on his team criticize vs team playful critique board*
Why yes I most certainly do.
That probably has more to do with the fact that someone made another pot of coffee before I had to do it myself though, heh.
Giving credit where credit is due
Changing a few words doesn't make it original.
Imagine the benefits if we rewarded outstanding software with a few cases of Bawls. We'd then have content caffeinated coders ready to twitch up another product, heh.
One of the major problems the open source community has is its approach to defending its position and attempting to publicise itself is we can drone all day about how our products are free-as-in-GPL, and how much open sourced products help the user community, but the majority of judges and lawyers involved still won't know what all that means. Try explaining the difference between beer-free and opensource-free and you get a lot of eyes glazing over.
Secondly, many many lower court Judges have already been pre-conditioned by the media to automatically connect words like 'coder' and 'free software' with 'hacker' and 'piracy'. With Open Source not even being close to mainstream these days, they'll likely never know the truth without being part of the community. Compared to all the Joe Everymans out there, we make up a small minority. What people need to see are more win32 and macOS open source applications that they will use and understand.
Thirdly, the open sourced community has taken a strange legal approach in my point of view. With an ideal that is directly counter to most of the corporate world's ideology, Open Source needs to do more than fight the challenges are thrown at them with DMCA and DeCSS trials, We honestly need someone who can find a test case to bring to court that is so black and white under the law that the courts have to rule in our favour. Open Source has very few established precedents compared to Software Piracy and Malicious Hacking cases.
I may not have a Law degree, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Don't make then zap you into blood'n'guts filled cotton candy!
I'm not an authority, so maybe one of the nuclear fusion researchers can clarify this, but is neutron radiation a dangerous form of radiation? I thought it was Ionizing Radiations are the primary health concern when it comes to forms of nuclear power.
Or is neutron radiation actually a form of Ionizing radiation?
If anyone knows I'd be much obliged.
Provinces on a big blue planet?
(knee jerk post)
heh, how is this _not_ -1
I admit that AO's launch was extremely premature, but the incredible variety of issues that came out with release has allowed them to pinpoint errors that would have taken months of beta testing, even open beta testing, to uncover. They've reduced lag and disconnects by a heck of a lot, although not as much as they claim imo, and have fixed numerous bugs that were plaguing initial release. At least for me, it seems that AO is on the way to becoming a great game.
Too bad the initial bad PR might end up killing them.
You're right about the lack of exciting advancement in space, but you have to admit the ISS project really is a necessary step for any new progress. I'm fairly sure any attempts at a manned mission to Mars would require either a vessel constructed in space or a vessel that refuels/refits in space. Sometimes periods of boredom are required for development, whether you lose tv ratings or not.
When was the last time you were wildly excited about debugging? heh.
I think smnolde was asking more if OEM Distributers would be allowed to bundle shell replacements like litestep preinstalled, not just whether its possible to do on your own. Also theres quite a few different shell replacements out there, not just litestep.
An interesting point, really.
I'm not totally up on what the MS Windows OEM license looks like, but would this mean an OEM distributer could make its own style of shell replacement for the default explorer shell, like many users already do? I must admit that would make for some variety between pre-builts.