It's implicit. The only reason shareholders invest is for profit so if the corporation is not working to that goal, they are not looking after the interests of the shareholders. It's up to a judge to determine whether the corporation is acting in those interests.
Disagreeing with the war (and the inappropriate invasion of Iraq) and being pissed about police who get carried away have nothing whatsoever to do with their respective roles or how they operate. Please learn the difference. Your political leanings apparently leave you unable to apply reason to simple dynamics. I believe that makes YOU the troll.
wtf are you talking about?? There's a huge difference between the military and the police in the US. For starters, I never even see the fucking military except on TV. Secondly, the military is not allowed to engage civilians unless they are the National Guard and they are ordered by the Governor of the state to do so which is extremely rare. The military also don't give a flying fuck whether you're speeding down the highway, ripping off the grocery store, or having sex with animals.
Finally, the reason the sale is allowed is because it's a non-lethal weapon as explained in the OP. It's probably an oversight but not anywhere near as shocking as you make it out to be.
I was wrong about it being enforced by the SEC. The laws vary from state to state on exact wording but they all basically say you can sue for "wrongful acts". And yes, this means not engaging in profit seeking. Here's an article for you:
In a similar vein, 70% of American think the first amendment (right to free speech and worship) should be scrapped. First off, 99% of all polls are bullshit. They are not scientifically created and are almost always written to get the response the poller is looking for.
Secondly, please source your statement. I'm sure it's just another bullshit poll like all the rest but I would be interested to see it.
Sorry but you're flat out wrong. Publicly traded corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders and this responsibility is enforced by the SEC. Corporations are sued constantly for violating this responsibility (google it yourself). Private companies that fail to make any profit for some period of years (can't remember the exact number but 3 comes to mind), have their incorporation status stripped from them by the IRS. So, yes, they exist to make a profit, period, end of story. Any entity that exists that's goal isn't to make a profit has to register as a non-profit. Depending on the nature of that entity, they my be excluded from paying taxes (but this often isn't the case).
Finally, I covered your PR comment in my first post.
Publicly traded companies are required to operate in the best interests of their shareholders. So arguably, it's illegal. Even if it's not publicly traded, corporations exist for one purpose: to make money (i.e., a profit). I'm not trying to sound jaded here, but that's just the way it works.
So unless Apple could devise a way to do this where it either doesn't impact the value of the stock to the shareholders or potentially increases it, they would have no choice but to pass on it. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume they had something to gain by approaching OLPC with their offer. It's also possible that working with the OLPC folks would improve their image to a sufficient degree that it would offset the cost of the endeavor while not impacting the value of their stock.
I'm responding to his statement: "I'm canadian, and every time something controversial is proposed, the american media jumps all over it and says 'Canada is going to [insert crazy idea here]'."
So your comments regarding the accuracy of our media are irrelevant unless you're trying to say that they are incorrectly reporting this issue. Even still, my response is appropriate.
"And for the record, while posters on internet forums might talk shit about how fucked up the US is, countries and governments, especially Canada, not so much."
Duh...our politicians don't talk junk about your government either. If they have, I sure haven't heard it and I keep up on the daily news. Nobody gives a shit what the politicians say anyway.
I'm canadian, and every time something controversial is proposed, the american media jumps all over it and says 'Canada is going to [insert crazy idea here]'. Seriously, fuck off. 1) We jump all over our own stupid shit all the time, and 2) the world media jumps over our shit all the time. We are the world's whipping boy. Any country that wants to feel a little better about itself just starts talking shit about how fucked up the US is (and Bush & co. make this retardedly easy). So please spare me, the "woe is me" bullshit. You guys have it easy. When your citizens start traveling around the world pretending to be Americans, then come bitch. Until then, cry into your own pillow and stfu. thx
You're the one who lacks imagination if you think that merely moving all production in-house and inside the US will completely eliminate the potential for this sort of problem. That's funny, I don't recall ever saying that would solve the problem. I was merely pointing out the enhanced risk of the current situation.
The story leads off about how the FBI found counterfeit routers being used by the military and then goes on to talk about DARPA's research project to test and prevent this kind of infiltration. At no point does it discuss IP rights. Given the sheer volume of IP coverage on/., is it really necessary to introduce it to other topics like this? Do we need another Godwin's Law to cover this?
2) It's a concern when you consider the potential effects of this kind of infiltration. Buying directly from Cisco, in no way, protects you from this problem. The hardware is still made overseas in some factory by a bunch of people who may not like the US very much (which is true of 99% of the planet right now).
Apparently you lack the imagination to see how ugly this can get. Fortunately DARPA isn't run by you.
I have a dual boot machine with XP on one partition, and Ubuntu 7.10 on another. After installing SP 3, grub failed to function so my computer would not boot to either operating system.
As it turned out the fix was simple: I happened to have a Hardy Heron disk lying around, so I put that in (thinking I might just install that over Gutsy and then it would restore grub) and selected the "Boot from first hard drive" option and voila! Windows started. After rebooting, the grub boot menu was working normally again.
Well you don't pay very close attention then. London has over 10,000 CCTVs that are GOVERNMENT crime cameras. That number does not include cameras from private businesses or ATM machines, etc. It's extremely hypocritical of you to whine about the tabloids when you are, in fact, acting like a tabloid (saying shit without backing it up with any facts).
By your standard, Moby Dick is crap too: simplistic plot (and told may times before), retarded amount of data about whales, and an uninspired and predictable ending. Yet, it's a classic and a must read for any author who wants to know how amazing prose can actually be.
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Sounds like illegal search and seizure to me. Unless they have justifiable cause to look at your data, they should leave it alone.
Of course, who gives a shit about the constitution in this country any more.
It's implicit. The only reason shareholders invest is for profit so if the corporation is not working to that goal, they are not looking after the interests of the shareholders. It's up to a judge to determine whether the corporation is acting in those interests.
Ok, I'll play Devil's Advocate...would you rather the Chinese deal with protesters with tanks or with directed sound?
Disagreeing with the war (and the inappropriate invasion of Iraq) and being pissed about police who get carried away have nothing whatsoever to do with their respective roles or how they operate. Please learn the difference. Your political leanings apparently leave you unable to apply reason to simple dynamics. I believe that makes YOU the troll.
wtf are you talking about?? There's a huge difference between the military and the police in the US. For starters, I never even see the fucking military except on TV. Secondly, the military is not allowed to engage civilians unless they are the National Guard and they are ordered by the Governor of the state to do so which is extremely rare. The military also don't give a flying fuck whether you're speeding down the highway, ripping off the grocery store, or having sex with animals.
Finally, the reason the sale is allowed is because it's a non-lethal weapon as explained in the OP. It's probably an oversight but not anywhere near as shocking as you make it out to be.
I was wrong about it being enforced by the SEC. The laws vary from state to state on exact wording but they all basically say you can sue for "wrongful acts". And yes, this means not engaging in profit seeking. Here's an article for you:
http://www.medialens.org/articles/the_articles/articles_2002/rh_corporate_responsibility.html
Secondly, please source your statement. I'm sure it's just another bullshit poll like all the rest but I would be interested to see it.
Sorry but you're flat out wrong. Publicly traded corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders and this responsibility is enforced by the SEC. Corporations are sued constantly for violating this responsibility (google it yourself). Private companies that fail to make any profit for some period of years (can't remember the exact number but 3 comes to mind), have their incorporation status stripped from them by the IRS. So, yes, they exist to make a profit, period, end of story. Any entity that exists that's goal isn't to make a profit has to register as a non-profit. Depending on the nature of that entity, they my be excluded from paying taxes (but this often isn't the case).
Finally, I covered your PR comment in my first post.
Publicly traded companies are required to operate in the best interests of their shareholders. So arguably, it's illegal. Even if it's not publicly traded, corporations exist for one purpose: to make money (i.e., a profit). I'm not trying to sound jaded here, but that's just the way it works.
So unless Apple could devise a way to do this where it either doesn't impact the value of the stock to the shareholders or potentially increases it, they would have no choice but to pass on it. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume they had something to gain by approaching OLPC with their offer. It's also possible that working with the OLPC folks would improve their image to a sufficient degree that it would offset the cost of the endeavor while not impacting the value of their stock.
I'm responding to his statement: "I'm canadian, and every time something controversial is proposed, the american media jumps all over it and says 'Canada is going to [insert crazy idea here]'."
So your comments regarding the accuracy of our media are irrelevant unless you're trying to say that they are incorrectly reporting this issue. Even still, my response is appropriate.
"And for the record, while posters on internet forums might talk shit about how fucked up the US is, countries and governments, especially Canada, not so much."
Duh...our politicians don't talk junk about your government either. If they have, I sure haven't heard it and I keep up on the daily news. Nobody gives a shit what the politicians say anyway.
Oh dang, you got me! And I SOOOO though I could get away with it too!
The story leads off about how the FBI found counterfeit routers being used by the military and then goes on to talk about DARPA's research project to test and prevent this kind of infiltration. At no point does it discuss IP rights. Given the sheer volume of IP coverage on /., is it really necessary to introduce it to other topics like this? Do we need another Godwin's Law to cover this?
1) This has nothing to do with IP rights.
2) It's a concern when you consider the potential effects of this kind of infiltration. Buying directly from Cisco, in no way, protects you from this problem. The hardware is still made overseas in some factory by a bunch of people who may not like the US very much (which is true of 99% of the planet right now).
Apparently you lack the imagination to see how ugly this can get. Fortunately DARPA isn't run by you.
I could understand it for a full install of Windows but there's no reason for them to mess with the MBR for a service pack.
I have a dual boot machine with XP on one partition, and Ubuntu 7.10 on another. After installing SP 3, grub failed to function so my computer would not boot to either operating system.
As it turned out the fix was simple: I happened to have a Hardy Heron disk lying around, so I put that in (thinking I might just install that over Gutsy and then it would restore grub) and selected the "Boot from first hard drive" option and voila! Windows started. After rebooting, the grub boot menu was working normally again.
Whitewash it however you like but the end result is that London is the most surveiled city in the world. I'm sure Orwell would be so proud.
Well you don't pay very close attention then. London has over 10,000 CCTVs that are GOVERNMENT crime cameras. That number does not include cameras from private businesses or ATM machines, etc. It's extremely hypocritical of you to whine about the tabloids when you are, in fact, acting like a tabloid (saying shit without backing it up with any facts).
Here's a link for you: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23412867-details/Tens+of+thousands+of+CCTV+cameras,+yet+80%25+of+crime+unsolved/article.do
The story is crap, the prose is unparalleled. If you know of a book with prose that matches or exceeds it, please inform me.
Walked into what? First of all I ASKED Sciros to provide a list. Second, you're not Sciros.
Thanks for playing.
I'm game, give me some examples of books that you feel represent fine literature.
Thanks, I'll remember to come to you for book reviews. I'm sure your insight is as profound and your arguments.
By your standard, Moby Dick is crap too: simplistic plot (and told may times before), retarded amount of data about whales, and an uninspired and predictable ending. Yet, it's a classic and a must read for any author who wants to know how amazing prose can actually be.
Asking someone to support their arguments with something other than heresay, is not trolling.