You get a baddie being sprayed by an Uzi and he stays stood there twisting and turning while round after round of lead is pumped into him at 6 miles a second.
Or when someone landing on you from above instantly incapacitates you.
Computer enthusiasts, like the rest of mankind, crave a gentle slope of novelty but we seem to make do with waiting for the next point release of what we already have.
Mozilla bumps up by 0.1 and it's on the front page.
Web browsers should have been finished in the 90's HTML should be fixed in stone. We don't need no steenkin extensions.
99% of web pages do just fine without DHTML and Embedded Objects and most can do without Javascript. Do we really need MIDI background music on a fsking web page?
"Oh but I *need* to emebed a video stream in my site."
Hello! that's what URI's and XXX:// transport definitions are for.
Rob reckons that 90% of plan9 development was taken up by implementing other people's protocols.
Porting a web browser that has more code than our OS sounds like masochism.
We might want to browse the web with DHTML & friends but not *that* much.
HTML was supposed to be *simple*. It has been trashed for the sake of eye-candy.
And on top is the DOM kludge.
HTML Applications - jeesh, a braindead idea and I should know, I've written quite a few. Witness the crap that you have to go through to maintain state.
All we really want is an html renderer because HTML is still okay for static interaction.
The web has set back application programming 30 years. It won't be long before some idiot adds cursor addressing.
private namespaces - *BSD's chroot user level file systems - Hurd programmable debugger (debug programs running on a different machine with a differnt CPU) it isn't POSIX compliant no root backups built in UTF-8 throughout (source code included) all services should be implemented using a common protocol - 9p Only 17 system calls
in the 30 year history of Unix well someone already mentioned the Robert Morris Worm, it took down the backbone of the internet.
I seem to recall Apple being taken down by an email bouncing bug in something unixy, damn what was it.
i am so sick of you people claiming I think you maybe replied to the wrong post, I didn't make any such claims. I was addressing the three specific claims for the non-appearance of a viruses / worms on Linux. They simply are not the reasons.
Unix is a much more secure system by design Multi-user capabilites were added on to Unix *after* it's conception. It wasn't designed with system security in mind. Secure by design doesn't have setuid binaries, heck it shouldn't even have root.
This is a separate issue to the speed of patching. And, just for good measure, last time I checked, Linux wasn't Unix.
i could fork it if i wanted to, and it would be the same damn code, just called something different. That's what *I* said : "anything else just isn't Linux"
try that with windows see how far you get Why mention Windows? Do you have some sort of paranoia that everyone who challenges incorrect assumptions about Linux is therefore a Windows Weenie ? Would a WW really say "root considered harmful" ?
Your exaggerated claims that "Linux will never have viruses or worms" are simply wrong. The "Big Linux Worm" is waiting to happen and it will a doozie.
Linux' saving grace is that the kernel and userspace are quite well separated. This is not so true of Windows. Windows ships with services on by default and the firewall off by default.
Security is hard.
My prediction is that is will come in through Bonobo or similar.
Since the downturn at Lucent no-one is being paid full time to work on plan9 and many in Bell Labs have been made redundant.
Getting a set of hardware together is a barrier to entry but if you look at the supported hardware list you may notice that much of the equipment is old and therefore cheap to get second hand and is often the sort of stuff people will just ditch, S3 Virge's and that kind of thing.
I can honestly say I don't know anyone that uses it
Yes, we are a small minority but growing steadily. We have 13 people in our little irc channel.
But we don't mind, more users would be nice but world domination isn't on the to-do list. It is a specialised OS with some interesting ideas, many of which are being backported to the stinking corpse that is unix.
The VM you are referring to is the I.E. plug-in for the Inferno Virtual machine so that it will run.dis programs, and that nothing is about to be upgraded.
Just because you don't see things doesn't mean they aren't there.
Inferno pays the salaries of 6 well paid computer scientists up there in York. Even Linus needs a day job!
But you are right, why the fuck is this an Ask Slashdot. afaik only 5 or so of the regular comp.os.plan9 people even read slashdot, we could easily have answered the questions with a "mothra kind of works but really we use vnc to do web-browsing"
OpenBSD wants the compilers. FreeBSD wants the namespaces. Everybody wants the plumber only they don't know it yet. GNU/Hurd would love to have a working microkernel OS. Wake me up when grep, sed & awk and the rest of the bunch work on Unicode! Then there are the ports - Wily, 9wm, 9menu Gawk's extensions are lifted from the plan9 way.
The "next big thing" grid computing is old hat to us.
Okay it is probably not more than 100 regular, everyday plan9 is my desktop users but it certainly isn't "nope". But "from my experience" is a really stupid extrapolation.
It certainly is a surprise to see this question on Ask Slashdot when it would be much easier to ask it in comp.os.plan9
All the assumptions in the question are totally wrong.
The VitaNuova Box Sets contain a set or printed manuals. It has nothing to do with inferno being included. Newsflash - Inferno is a free download too !
"Why can I buy OS Z when I can download it for free" can be said of many of the Free OS's.
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they're
VMWare is already supported, numbnuts.
the chase is over almost immediately.
I generally outrun them within a block or two.
well, that supports my hypothesis that they are over in 3 minutes and end unspectacularly
oh that's right, lamers call it leet speak
If it made your eyes water you *were* doing somthing wrong.
I prefered it when it watered other parts of my anatomy.
And the Japanese are totally on the ball with this one, having warm water sprayed on my ass was the highlight of my overnight stay.
You get a baddie being sprayed by an Uzi and he stays stood there twisting and turning while round after round of lead is pumped into him at 6 miles a second.
Or when someone landing on you from above instantly incapacitates you.
Realistic car chases usually last about 3 minutes and for the most part are deadly boring and end unspectacularly.
Realistic to the computer game world seems to mean something totally unreal.
"That looks so realistic", people say about events they have never actually witnessed.
Computer enthusiasts, like the rest of mankind, crave a gentle slope of novelty but we seem to make do with waiting for the next point release of what we already have.
Mozilla bumps up by 0.1 and it's on the front page.
Web browsers should have been finished in the 90's
HTML should be fixed in stone.
We don't need no steenkin extensions.
99% of web pages do just fine without DHTML and Embedded Objects and most can do without Javascript. Do we really need MIDI background music on a fsking web page?
"Oh but I *need* to emebed a video stream in my site."
Hello! that's what URI's and XXX:// transport definitions are for.
makes me so mad
Systems research is dead.
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/rob/utah2000.ps
yes, and I'l be doing it again when i finish this sandwich
geek
Rob reckons that 90% of plan9 development was taken up by implementing other people's protocols.
Porting a web browser that has more code than our OS sounds like masochism.
We might want to browse the web with DHTML & friends but not *that* much.
HTML was supposed to be *simple*. It has been trashed for the sake of eye-candy.
And on top is the DOM kludge.
HTML Applications - jeesh, a braindead idea and I should know, I've written quite a few.
Witness the crap that you have to go through to maintain state.
All we really want is an html renderer because HTML is still okay for static interaction.
The web has set back application programming 30 years.
It won't be long before some idiot adds cursor addressing.
X would be considered a virus
In general application porting serves little purpose.
If you want X you know where to find it.
Perl 4 had Unicode support the day it was ported to plan9
Like I said, catch up
private namespaces - *BSD's chroot
user level file systems - Hurd
programmable debugger (debug programs running on a different machine with a differnt CPU)
it isn't POSIX compliant
no root
backups built in
UTF-8 throughout (source code included)
all services should be implemented using a common protocol - 9p
Only 17 system calls
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/index.html
because it sounds like you either didn't use it for very long or are blind.
The directory system is a departure from the tried and tested
I would humbly inform you that this is the whole point.
plan9 isn't trying to be unix.
and quite honestly, I dont see anything else new there
Like I said, blind.
Open your eyes
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/index.html
when you tried RENUMBER 10,10000
[second number is the line number interval]
8)
In the meantime we grew to 14.
in the 30 year history of Unix
well someone already mentioned the Robert Morris Worm, it took down the backbone of the internet.
I seem to recall Apple being taken down by an email bouncing bug in something unixy, damn what was it.
i am so sick of you people claiming
I think you maybe replied to the wrong post, I didn't make any such claims. I was addressing the three specific claims for the non-appearance of a viruses / worms on Linux. They simply are not the reasons.
Unix is a much more secure system by design
Multi-user capabilites were added on to Unix *after* it's conception. It wasn't designed with system security in mind. Secure by design doesn't have setuid binaries, heck it shouldn't even have root.
This is a separate issue to the speed of patching. And, just for good measure, last time I checked, Linux wasn't Unix.
i could fork it if i wanted to, and it would be the same damn code, just called something different.
That's what *I* said : "anything else just isn't Linux"
try that with windows see how far you get
Why mention Windows? Do you have some sort of paranoia that everyone who challenges incorrect assumptions about Linux is therefore a Windows Weenie ?
Would a WW really say "root considered harmful" ?
Your exaggerated claims that "Linux will never have viruses or worms" are simply wrong.
The "Big Linux Worm" is waiting to happen and it will a doozie.
Linux' saving grace is that the kernel and userspace are quite well separated. This is not so true of Windows. Windows ships with services on by default and the firewall off by default.
Security is hard.
My prediction is that is will come in through Bonobo or similar.
thanks, well, it has been a while
plan9 is less forgiving with hardware
Since the downturn at Lucent no-one is being paid full time to work on plan9 and many in Bell Labs have been made redundant.
Getting a set of hardware together is a barrier to entry but if you look at the supported hardware list you may notice that much of the equipment is old and therefore cheap to get second hand and is often the sort of stuff people will just ditch, S3 Virge's and that kind of thing.
I can honestly say I don't know anyone that uses it
Yes, we are a small minority but growing steadily. We have 13 people in our little irc channel.
But we don't mind, more users would be nice but world domination isn't on the to-do list.
It is a specialised OS with some interesting ideas, many of which are being backported to the stinking corpse that is unix.
And your memory is shit too.
.dis programs, and that nothing is about to be upgraded.
The VM you are referring to is the I.E. plug-in for the Inferno Virtual machine so that it will run
Just because you don't see things doesn't mean they aren't there.
Inferno pays the salaries of 6 well paid computer scientists up there in York.
Even Linus needs a day job!
But you are right, why the fuck is this an Ask Slashdot. afaik only 5 or so of the regular comp.os.plan9 people even read slashdot, we could easily have answered the questions with a "mothra kind of works but really we use vnc to do web-browsing"
OpenBSD wants the compilers.
FreeBSD wants the namespaces.
Everybody wants the plumber only they don't know it yet.
GNU/Hurd would love to have a working microkernel OS.
Wake me up when grep, sed & awk and the rest of the bunch work on Unicode!
Then there are the ports - Wily, 9wm, 9menu
Gawk's extensions are lifted from the plan9 way.
The "next big thing" grid computing is old hat to us.
Don't worry, we'll be waiting for you.
There are quite a few users of plan9 nine.
Okay it is probably not more than 100 regular, everyday plan9 is my desktop users but it certainly isn't "nope". But "from my experience" is a really stupid extrapolation.
It certainly is a surprise to see this question on Ask Slashdot when it would be much easier to ask it in comp.os.plan9
All the assumptions in the question are totally wrong.
The VitaNuova Box Sets contain a set or printed manuals. It has nothing to do with inferno being included. Newsflash - Inferno is a free download too !
"Why can I buy OS Z when I can download it for free" can be said of many of the Free OS's.
I think the whole Thread is a giant troll!
Star Wars vector graphics guidance system
Luxor Junior & the other Pixar early movies
actually, do you own research