You want foliage plants rather than flowerers. You know, the sort of plants that grow on the forest floor.
Plants are great, they add some living vibe to a sterile area. There are many plants that will grow and grow in a shady room and some that will even tolerate you not watering them for 2 weeks.
Here's a list from my trusty book: [The Houseplant Expert - Dr D. G. Hessayon]
Chinese Evergreen (Aglaonema) Norfolk Island Pine (Araucaria) Asparagus Aspidistra [I have 2 at home] (this is a good one, the Victorians called then "Cast Iron Plants" because they are so hardy. You can keep them in dark rooms and forget to water them and they still thrive) Begonias [1 in my cube] (non flowering types) Air Plants [1 on my monitor] (don't even need watering) Spider Plants [and they can breed like crazy - I pop them in a jam jar with a bit of soil and stick them in the spaces aroudn the house] (Chlorophytum) Dumb Cane (Dieffenbachia) Madagascar Dragon Tree (Dracaena Marginata) Corn Palm (Dracaena Fragrans Amzon Lilly (Eucharis) - has flowers Ferns - most Ficus (figs) [i've got 2 trees] - Creeping Fig - the trees grow slowly but in doing so become valuable like $100 for a 4 yo Net Leafs (Fittonia) Marantas (all varieties) & their cousins the Calatheas Swiss Cheese (Monstera family) Palms (yes those) [good foliage - hardy to no watering - I have some] Philodendron Pilea (such as Aluminium Plant, Creeping Charlie, Artillery Plant, Black Leaf Panamiga) Plectranthus (Swedish Ivy, Candle Plant) Polyscias [in my kitchen] (such as Dinner Plate Aralia or Ming Aralia) Selaginella Senecio (not a true ivy, the true ivy needs sun but these like semi-shade) Sonerila Stenotaphrum (Buffalo Grass) - will lose it's varigation in shade Vines (well some - Begonia Vine [Cissus Discolor] & Cape Green [Rhoicissus Capensis])
You seem to ignore the lessons of history. Police do not follow the 'spirit of the law' they follow the letter (and oftren cross that thin line).
It would be more akin to lock-picks. If I am caught with lock-picks or other equipment when I'm out stealing then I'm in deeper shit than just out stealing.
So when they come through your door and start asking questions then you'd better hope that they don'c come across that cd full of viruses you've got next to the anarchists cookbook and that big bong.
I've got a disease that might end with organ trouble.
I'm sat here now saying that if it's me or the pig I'll let the pig live.
"We can take your body after you're dead, We can take the eyes out your fucking head. Yeah, we'll take 'em out use 'em again, We can do it you know, cos we've got your brain
We'll crucify you like we crucified him, Make you obey our every whim, Cos we've got the power, The power and the glory "
But what you have failed to discuss is that animals have consiousness and self awareness. They feel pain and suffering and yet your solution to less suffering is to inflict more of it.
The only argument you can come up with in favour of it is that shampoo might burn.
I'm quite happy to contend that the primary motivation for pharmacuetical and cosmetic companies is not to benefit humankind but to seprarate it from it's money and that in the ruthless persuit of this goal they are likely to rush products to market that will injure and maybe kill members of the public. As some sort of barrier to this market govts. introduced mandatory animal testing. Yet the system doesn't work. They lie and cheat to get products to market and if the drugs fail in the regulated markets then they you may well find them on sale in India or Malaysia or Mexico. So the people doing the testing, for our "protection" can't even be trusted. Heck they even try to kill us.
"According to 1989 US EPA data, Hoechst Celanese was one of the leading releasers in the USA of known or suspected carcinogens."
YET animal testing is not in and of itself necessary to develop such products. A point which is conceeded and acknowledged by many eminent doctors around the world.
Maybe you missed the quotes so I'll pop one in again and see if you can ignore it once more:
"Giving cancer to laboratory animals has not and will not help us to understand the disease or to treat those persons suffering from it."
Dr. A. Sabin, 1986, developer of the oral polio vaccine.
We don't need a solution to animal testing. We just need to stop doing it.
Yes, it's unlucky that all the pro-vivisection people got the brains
http://vivisection-absurd.org.uk
From: imgonakillu67@hotmail.com Date: 22 Jan 2001 I agree to ripping out your throat. Any1 who thinks an animals life is as inportant as a humans deserves to have "his" (:)), balls hacked off with an ice pick! Ha ha. If i saw any of u [deleted] protesting i would lob an half ender of ya [deleted] head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yours respectfully (HA)
Fair enough, I'm no expert personally but who to trust?
how a about a german doctor:
"Vivisection is barbaric, useless, and a hindrance to scientific progress. I learned how to operate from other surgeons. It's the only way, and every good surgeon knows that." - Dr. Werner Hartinger, 1988, surgeon of thirty years, President of German League of Doctors Against Vivisection (GLDAV).
or maybe an American
"Since there is no way to defend the use of animal model systems in plain English or with scientific facts, they resort to double-talk in technical jargon...The virtue of animal model systems to those in hot pursuit of the federal dollars is that they can be used to prove anything - no matter how foolish, or false, or dangerous this might be. There is such a wide variation in the results of animal model systems that there is always some system which will 'prove' a point....The moral is that animal model systems not only kill animals, they also kill humans. There is no good factual evidence to show that the use of animals in cancer research has led to the prevention or cure of a single human cancer." - Dr. D.J. Bross, Ph.D., 1982, former director of the largest cancer research institute in the world, the Sloan-Kettering Institute, then Director of Biostatics, Roswell Memorial Institute, Buffalo, NY.
Or maybe someone close to your field of study
"Giving cancer to laboratory animals has not and will not help us to understand the disease or to treat those persons suffering from it."
Dr. A. Sabin, 1986, developer of the oral polio vaccine.
what's the point of having an extra box to do what your computer can do already?
do you even have (a)/dsl?
Checking my log for today I've had over 50 people try and initiate unauthorised connections. The only server I run is HTTP and ident so there's no reason for any of them to try any other ports than those.
nslooking up their ip and I get mostly dial-up users or No such server.
Windows shares are the usual culprit. I did some scanning myself after cable modems launched in our area. I found myself on someone's shared C: drive will full rights. I trawled through some files to try and get some sort of ID. c:\program files\icq\ did me nicely and I was able to get the person's ICQ number. I looked them up on the ICQ whitepages and couldn't believe it when it turned out to be my uncle!
Works great, no trouble in 3 years. Not a single piece of software has had trouble with it. Can't recommend it enough for home/soho users.
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It is often opined that we eat meat in the 21st Century because "it's natural".
"it's natural" is not a defence in other walks of life. Paedophilia and child murder are also natural phenomena both in the human and non-human species. In many species of animal a male will kill the offspring of another male or mate with young females not in season. Lions, in particular, will kill cubs.
Humans (well some) like to think that the rise of civilisation is about transcending the brutish urges. We strive to make the unsafe safe, to bring security and comfort to each other, to not treat each other like shit. We can do it, if we want to.
And yet apparently I'm in need psychiatric help for saying "hey, maybe the millions of animals killed for food and physically and mentally abused during their short sad lives especially with all the technology we have around us now, we don't *need* to be so barbarian any more".
I don't know. Maybe you rooted for the robots in The Matrix. Maybe you want to live your life up to your knees in the blood of the slaughtered. Maybe you think dipping live pigs in boiling water is great. Maybe you enjoy the fact that chickens live 6 to a 3 foot cage in the dark. Maybe transporting a lorry load of sheep for 800 miles with no rest or water is just so brilliant a concept it makes you want to wank off. Perhaps keeping a calf in a crate with 12 inches room in any direction in the dark for a year with only milk to drink and no other food makes you crack out the champagne.
Here's a link from a quick search I did detailing how to test anti-viral drugs without animals
http://www.phenosense.com/people/331.html
When animal testing is mandatory alternatives are nto sought. While animals are regarded by people like you as walking test chambers then progresss is difficult.
The advancement of knowledge requires an open mind. Sounds like you've failrd that simple test.
The shallowness of your argument is no surprise to me.
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Okay I'm not him but I'll help out.
Defining your existence by some arbitrary popularity score is ultimately pointless.
Moderation is to judge the comments not the poster. I think it would be useful to be able to mod down your own comments as well as up. I would then, of course, moderate this comment as [0 - offtopic]. Yours should probably have been [0 - redundant] rather than posting it at +1 (thus abusing the moderation system seeing it isn't worth *anybody* seeing except the poster [who, as an AC wont know you've replied])
Mentioning your possible moderation in your post is like "please notice me".
Unless you think your post _actually_ contributes something useful it's better if you don't post at all.
Over time your so called karma of everybody tends to positive as being a jerk ultimately get's dull.
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from O/S2 and Xenix comes VMS kernel alike posix compliant "NT" and they call *that* new!
well, like I say, it stood for Nested really anyway. Even some people from microsoft claim it's a Digit shift to VMS but I doubt that story too.
just like we share 97% of our DNA .. with chimpanzees
And still someone thinks it's okay to kill as many as they feel like for experiments.
You wouldn't like it if they walked into the maternity ward and injected a few children with HIV for an experiment.
But for 3% you might be living in a 3x3x3 cage. If you're lucky they won't make you smoke 120 cigarettes a day before they shoot you.
hooray, more dead chimps.
marketing turned it into New Technology
close but no banana
NT is named after the NT register in the 386
where NT stands for Nested Threads.
of course marketing spin turned it into
"New Technology"
so we now get "WindowsXP based on NT Technology"
or Windows XP based on New Technology Technology
a bit like PIN Number
You want foliage plants rather than flowerers. You know, the sort of plants that grow on the forest floor.
:
Plants are great, they add some living vibe to a sterile area. There are many plants that will grow and grow in a shady room and some that will even tolerate you not watering them for 2 weeks.
Here's a list from my trusty book
[The Houseplant Expert - Dr D. G. Hessayon]
Chinese Evergreen (Aglaonema)
Norfolk Island Pine (Araucaria)
Asparagus
Aspidistra [I have 2 at home] (this is a good one, the Victorians called then "Cast Iron Plants" because they are so hardy. You can keep them in dark rooms and forget to water them and they still thrive)
Begonias [1 in my cube] (non flowering types)
Air Plants [1 on my monitor] (don't even need watering)
Spider Plants [and they can breed like crazy - I pop them in a jam jar with a bit of soil and stick them in the spaces aroudn the house] (Chlorophytum)
Dumb Cane (Dieffenbachia)
Madagascar Dragon Tree (Dracaena Marginata)
Corn Palm (Dracaena Fragrans
Amzon Lilly (Eucharis) - has flowers
Ferns - most
Ficus (figs) [i've got 2 trees] - Creeping Fig - the trees grow slowly but in doing so become valuable like $100 for a 4 yo
Net Leafs (Fittonia)
Marantas (all varieties)
& their cousins the Calatheas
Swiss Cheese (Monstera family)
Palms (yes those) [good foliage - hardy to no watering - I have some]
Philodendron
Pilea (such as Aluminium Plant, Creeping Charlie, Artillery Plant, Black Leaf Panamiga)
Plectranthus (Swedish Ivy, Candle Plant)
Polyscias [in my kitchen] (such as Dinner Plate Aralia or Ming Aralia)
Selaginella
Senecio (not a true ivy, the true ivy needs sun but these like semi-shade)
Sonerila
Stenotaphrum (Buffalo Grass) - will lose it's varigation in shade
Vines (well some - Begonia Vine [Cissus Discolor] & Cape Green [Rhoicissus Capensis])
because it's open, and thus safer.
be warned, this is not a universal truth
You seem to ignore the lessons of history.
Police do not follow the 'spirit of the law' they follow the letter (and oftren cross that thin line).
It would be more akin to lock-picks. If I am caught with lock-picks or other equipment when I'm out stealing then I'm in deeper shit than just out stealing.
So when they come through your door and start asking questions then you'd better hope that they don'c come across that cd full of viruses you've got next to the anarchists cookbook and that big bong.
human-to-animal
nice 1
I've got a disease that might end with organ trouble.
I'm sat here now saying that if it's me or the pig I'll let the pig live.
"We can take your body after you're dead,
We can take the eyes out your fucking head.
Yeah, we'll take 'em out use 'em again,
We can do it you know, cos we've got your brain
We'll crucify you like we crucified him,
Make you obey our every whim,
Cos we've got the power,
The power and the glory
"
Crass
there is no such thing as a "normal user"
I've not eaten meat or dairy for 11 years. It's not that difficult at all. It certainly doesn't add any strain to my life.
"you are obviously wrong"
well that's me concvinced then
I'm sorry but I think that's a lie.
:
"I find this quote amusingly relevant:"
You just wanted to try and insult me somehow.
But what you have failed to discuss is that animals have consiousness and self awareness. They feel pain and suffering and yet your solution to less suffering is to inflict more of it.
The only argument you can come up with in favour of it is that shampoo might burn.
I'm quite happy to contend that the primary motivation for pharmacuetical and cosmetic companies is not to benefit humankind but to seprarate it from it's money and that in the ruthless persuit of this goal they are likely to rush products to market that will injure and maybe kill members of the public. As some sort of barrier to this market govts. introduced mandatory animal testing. Yet the system doesn't work. They lie and cheat to get products to market and if the drugs fail in the regulated markets then they you may well find them on sale in India or Malaysia or Mexico. So the people doing the testing, for our "protection" can't even be trusted. Heck they even try to kill us.
"According to 1989 US EPA data, Hoechst Celanese was one of the leading releasers in the USA of known or suspected carcinogens."
YET animal testing is not in and of itself necessary to develop such products. A point which is conceeded and acknowledged by many eminent doctors around the world.
Maybe you missed the quotes so I'll pop one in again and see if you can ignore it once more
"Giving cancer to laboratory animals has not and will not help us to understand the disease or to treat those persons suffering from it."
Dr. A. Sabin, 1986, developer of the oral polio vaccine.
We don't need a solution to animal testing.
We just need to stop doing it.
so why quote the anti-PETA?
Yes, it's unlucky that all the pro-vivisection people got the brains
http://vivisection-absurd.org.uk
From: imgonakillu67@hotmail.com
Date: 22 Jan 2001
I agree to ripping out your throat. Any1 who thinks an animals life is
as inportant as a humans deserves to have "his" (:)), balls hacked
off with an ice pick! Ha ha. If i saw any of u [deleted] protesting
i would lob an half ender of ya [deleted] head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yours respectfully (HA)
Fair enough, I'm no expert personally but who to trust?
:
how a about a german doctor
"Vivisection is barbaric, useless, and a hindrance to scientific progress. I learned how to operate from other surgeons. It's the only way, and every good surgeon knows that."
- Dr. Werner Hartinger, 1988, surgeon of thirty years, President of German League of Doctors Against Vivisection (GLDAV).
or maybe an American
"Since there is no way to defend the use of animal model systems in plain English or with scientific facts, they resort to double-talk in technical jargon...The virtue of animal model systems to those in hot pursuit of the federal dollars is that they can be used to prove anything - no matter how foolish, or false, or dangerous this might be. There is such a wide variation in the results of animal model systems that there is always some system which will 'prove' a point....The moral is that animal model systems not only kill animals, they also kill humans. There is no good factual evidence to show that the use of animals in cancer research has led to the prevention or cure of a single human cancer."
- Dr. D.J. Bross, Ph.D., 1982, former director of the largest cancer research institute in the world, the Sloan-Kettering Institute, then Director of Biostatics, Roswell Memorial Institute, Buffalo, NY.
Or maybe someone close to your field of study
"Giving cancer to laboratory animals has not and will not help us to understand the disease or to treat those persons suffering from it."
Dr. A. Sabin, 1986, developer of the oral polio vaccine.
Will that do?
what's the point of having an extra box to do what your computer can do already?
:
do you even have (a)/dsl?
Checking my log for today I've had over 50 people try and initiate unauthorised connections. The only server I run is HTTP and ident so there's no reason for any of them to try any other ports than those.
nslooking up their ip and I get mostly dial-up users or No such server.
Windows shares are the usual culprit. I did some scanning myself after cable modems launched in our area. I found myself on someone's shared C: drive will full rights. I trawled through some files to try and get some sort of ID. c:\program files\icq\ did me nicely and I was able to get the person's ICQ number. I looked them up on the ICQ whitepages and couldn't believe it when it turned out to be my uncle!
You don't need to waste a whole PC on it either
I've got one of these
befsx41
Works great, no trouble in 3 years. Not a single piece of software has had trouble with it. Can't recommend it enough for home/soho users.
It is often opined that we eat meat in the 21st Century because "it's natural".
"it's natural" is not a defence in other walks of life. Paedophilia and child murder are also natural phenomena both in the human and non-human species. In many species of animal a male will kill the offspring of another male or mate with young females not in season. Lions, in particular, will kill cubs.
Humans (well some) like to think that the rise of civilisation is about transcending the brutish urges. We strive to make the unsafe safe, to bring security and comfort to each other, to not treat each other like shit. We can do it, if we want to.
And yet apparently I'm in need psychiatric help for saying "hey, maybe the millions of animals killed for food and physically and mentally abused during their short sad lives especially with all the technology we have around us now, we don't *need* to be so barbarian any more".
I don't know.
Maybe you rooted for the robots in The Matrix.
Maybe you want to live your life up to your knees in the blood of the slaughtered.
Maybe you think dipping live pigs in boiling water is great.
Maybe you enjoy the fact that chickens live 6 to a 3 foot cage in the dark.
Maybe transporting a lorry load of sheep for 800 miles with no rest or water is just so brilliant a concept it makes you want to wank off.
Perhaps keeping a calf in a crate with 12 inches room in any direction in the dark for a year with only milk to drink and no other food makes you crack out the champagne.
Personally it makes me cry.
Whaterver your perceptions mouse responses are quicker, it's been timed.
Here's a link from a quick search I did detailing how to test anti-viral drugs without animals
http://www.phenosense.com/people/331.html
When animal testing is mandatory alternatives are nto sought. While animals are regarded by people like you as walking test chambers then progresss is difficult.
The advancement of knowledge requires an open mind. Sounds like you've failrd that simple test.
vivisection isn't the only way.
The shallowness of your argument is no surprise to me.
Okay I'm not him but I'll help out.
Defining your existence by some arbitrary popularity score is ultimately pointless.
Moderation is to judge the comments not the poster. I think it would be useful to be able to mod down your own comments as well as up. I would then, of course, moderate this comment as [0 - offtopic]. Yours should probably have been [0 - redundant] rather than posting it at +1 (thus abusing the moderation system seeing it isn't worth *anybody* seeing except the poster [who, as an AC wont know you've replied])
Mentioning your possible moderation in your post is like "please notice me".
Unless you think your post _actually_ contributes something useful it's better if you don't post at all.
Over time your so called karma of everybody tends to positive as being a jerk ultimately get's dull.
in some ways
Lucky for them they lack self awareness and don't suffer pain.
It's odd how other species are so close to us that they make ideal test candidates and yet far enough away from us that this is considered acceptable.
I've got a new claw hammer and I want to test it for vivisector injuring capabilities, know where I can find any?
thanks for the explain on why it applies in this case.
Why you had to go and spoil it with an insult I don't know.
stfu Saint Fucknuts I suppose will have to do as a retort.
i like
"i put instant coffee in the microwave and nearly went back in time"
goddam sex & murder nazis
All I want to do is have sex with children and/or kill them, it feels so good.
It's perfectly natural for me to commit infanticide, lions do it, why can't I?
I sick of hearing from nazis every time I do something enjoyable I wish they'd quit their bitchin' and whinin'
Shut your piehole and send your kids round.