that's funny because the Amiga is dead and the BBC Micro progeny lives on in the StrongARM.
But you're right though, we should not read history as the ONLY way things could have happened, it's a mistake mamy people make.
"everything in my life has been leading me to where I am now"
While it's patently true it will always be true no matter where we are.
If we get seduced by it though we end up saying stuff like "if it hadn't been for the Altair I wouldn't be typing this" which is just plain ridiculous.
Although our technological progress is somewhat Lamarkian at times the tenet "information wants to be free" is still with us and it's as true today as it's ever been.
Computers fascinate and that fascination will drive all the crap away, at least into a niche.
However, the US corporate stranglehold on the US Governement is an attack on the people. We are probably engaged in a kind of cyber civil war and that is something we should bear in mind.
Should the "only run signed software" thing be applied to every PC then I suspect that some company somewhere will build a signed VM, maybe even Java.
The big software vendors will not sit back and be crushed out of existence but we should not sit back and feel cosy in that either.
It is up to us to stick to our guns in the workplace. We already demonstrate our collective power and are known as a "movement". We must keep radicalised but careful to not become demonised.
We built this place and it is up to us geeks to keep it.
I noticed this morning on freeBSD.announce. I read it wrong myself to start with but seeing as I can remember a bit further back than Timothy i said "eh, but I've seen it in the shop? ah it's Daemon News's first CD, big deal."
In fact I'd forgotten all about it until I came here and wondered what all the fuss was about.
we live in a world of hype & attention grabbing.
I'm sure it must satisfy a deep human need for novelty. Neoteny at work I suppose.
back in the days when the web was new and exciting the UK "Start in Their Eyes" show included a section where viewers could vote online for the showcase final winner
a quick investigation revealed users could register multiple votes with a bit of cookie manipulation.
One script later and we had a winner (the geekiest of the contestants was chosen)
Was funny when the presenter, Matthew Kelly, said "and with a phenominal response on our website"
oh how we laughed.
hopefully it taught the techs at the show something
Lee, if you had the ability to run code on peoples machines unnoticed what would YOU run?
format?, fdisk? delete all their files?
no, that's what lame schoolkids do
real black hats don't trash your system, they try and keep it alive so they can use it for nefarious activities.
I don;t know much about the AIM one but with Sub7 which was an icq based virus the victim would maybe just have strange things happen occasionally (screen upside down, follow the white rabbit stuff etc.). Or the attacker would just take webcam pictures and download them without the victim's knowledge or consent. Read their email, read their icq log, look at their bookmarks, poke around for text files containing passwords, edit/windows/hosts and try a CC / password scam. And this was wide scale (and probably still is) because Sub7 infecetd hosts advertise themselves on IRC as infected!
Just because your PC isn't "broken" doesn't mean you're not infected. Only the lamest viruses are destructive for without hosts there is no life.
I'd always thought it was because corporations were made up of evil bastards who want to control everything. As it turns out, most corporations are just made up of people who want to keep their jobs.
The environment under which business operates is dictated by statute. This evolutionary pressure results in successful companys acting as such to maintain their existence, entering into a symbiotic relationship with it's employees/shareholders.
The government has been subverted by company people infecting the body of government.
We can reshape the pattern by asking "What is the purpose of commerce?"
It's just locate under another name and a smaller cron interval.
The way to really do it would be hack up your own nfs clients that did the logging for you rather than polling.
but now I get what he's getting at I'm not sure I know what the big deal is.
Certainly nothing like a "Virtual Filesystem".
It's just an expensive way of running ls on a cron every night/hour and using awk, sed, grep & join on the plain text output
if you really are interested in virtual filesystems though then plan9 is a place to look. Each processes get's a file namespace. Using bind, attach & union one can build different views of the same namespace.
Each namespace is a combination of disks on file and programs presenting files and directories.
All file access is via a protcol 9p so you can write your own file servers to present data like files and directories.
i can understand why one would want to put the database into the filesystem but to put the filesystem into the database!!
you hide the data from many of the day to day tools people are used to using
cat, more, >, >>, awk, sed, grep, join, and a host of other cli tools.
hierarchies work and people understand them. How are you going to switch the filesystem tree into RDBM tables. It would keep Codd himself burning the midnight oils.
You might be getting yourself some extra sleep at night secure that your Oracle won't fail you but other tools are around to help keep a filesystem available (as other posters have mentioned).
Think about what you are throwing away and locking in to. All new employees will have to learn Oracle SQL to get to files, a delete with a badly phrased where clause could cost you plenty of time (and don't say you haven't done it).
A simple example
vi/home/data/somefile.txt
or
select data from home-data where filename='somefile.txt' > tmp
vi tmp
sed tmp -f escapescript.sed
copy the output to the clipboard
update home-data set data = 'paste here'
Ok I realise that a few scripts can replace it but please, what's the gain?
The expertise of your internal support staff will need to be at the advanced oracle user level.
Slashdot Mirror
that's funny because the Amiga is dead and the BBC Micro progeny lives on in the StrongARM.
But you're right though, we should not read history as the ONLY way things could have happened, it's a mistake mamy people make.
"everything in my life has been leading me to where I am now"
While it's patently true it will always be true no matter where we are.
If we get seduced by it though we end up saying stuff like "if it hadn't been for the Altair I wouldn't be typing this" which is just plain ridiculous.
Although our technological progress is somewhat Lamarkian at times the tenet "information wants to be free" is still with us and it's as true today as it's ever been.
Computers fascinate and that fascination will drive all the crap away, at least into a niche.
However, the US corporate stranglehold on the US Governement is an attack on the people. We are probably engaged in a kind of cyber civil war and that is something we should bear in mind.
Should the "only run signed software" thing be applied to every PC then I suspect that some company somewhere will build a signed VM, maybe even Java.
The big software vendors will not sit back and be crushed out of existence but we should not sit back and feel cosy in that either.
It is up to us to stick to our guns in the workplace. We already demonstrate our collective power and are known as a "movement". We must keep radicalised but careful to not become demonised.
We built this place and it is up to us geeks to keep it.
I've got a garage full of Cdi players and video2000 vcr units if anyone wants
:)
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lol is that OSDN's MS-DOS version!
..
hmm, how does this fit in with "be ready to throw one away, you will anyway"
source code level documentation isn't the documentation for the app though is it?
I suppose it depends on the app, there are many levels of documentation.
those crazy plan9 guys at Bell Labs have talen care of the problem for me
Venti
ahhhhh
yes you can't beat vinegar & newsprint
Hey, let's go to Niagra
You stand in Canada, I'll stand in the USA
I'll shoot you dead and then we can see which country claims jurisdiction!!
.
It's whoever wrote the headline that can't read.
I noticed this morning on freeBSD.announce. I read it wrong myself to start with but seeing as I can remember a bit further back than Timothy i said "eh, but I've seen it in the shop? ah it's Daemon News's first CD, big deal."
In fact I'd forgotten all about it until I came here and wondered what all the fuss was about.
we live in a world of hype & attention grabbing.
I'm sure it must satisfy a deep human need for novelty. Neoteny at work I suppose.
.
okay take the d from database and olphin from dolphin, no wait
dataphin
no
doltabase
no
basephin
no
phinadolph
no
basedoltaphin
er,
.
I prefer tuna free tuna myself
back in the days when the web was new and exciting the UK "Start in Their Eyes" show included a section where viewers could vote online for the showcase final winner
a quick investigation revealed users could register multiple votes with a bit of cookie manipulation.
One script later and we had a winner (the geekiest of the contestants was chosen)
Was funny when the presenter, Matthew Kelly, said "and with a phenominal response on our website"
oh how we laughed.
hopefully it taught the techs at the show something
.
The special part is that the second laser can control WHEN the photons are emitted.
Once you've got delay lines, timers and detectors you've got an optical computer.
If you manage to restrict direction to then the density can be greater as there is less interference.
I don't see what this has to do with quantum computation though.
This sounds like the basis of a good idea.
I'm not sure my address & telephone number are copyright me though
.
to paraphrase
socialism doesn't start with concentration camps, that's where it ends
do a search for McLibel my friend
because I too reject Microsoft Software products.
I remember the DrSkwid version of Midtown Madness had "eid tsum diwkSrD" in the binary but I thoughtTTP/t was Majestic!!
.
presumably that would be forty
Lee, if you had the ability to run code on peoples machines unnoticed what would YOU run?
/windows/hosts and try a CC / password scam. And this was wide scale (and probably still is) because Sub7 infecetd hosts advertise themselves on IRC as infected!
format?, fdisk? delete all their files?
no, that's what lame schoolkids do
real black hats don't trash your system, they try and keep it alive so they can use it for nefarious activities.
I don;t know much about the AIM one but with Sub7 which was an icq based virus the victim would maybe just have strange things happen occasionally (screen upside down, follow the white rabbit stuff etc.). Or the attacker would just take webcam pictures and download them without the victim's knowledge or consent. Read their email, read their icq log, look at their bookmarks, poke around for text files containing passwords, edit
Just because your PC isn't "broken" doesn't mean you're not infected. Only the lamest viruses are destructive for without hosts there is no life.
I'd always thought it was because corporations were made up of evil bastards who want to control everything. As it turns out, most corporations are just made up of people who want to keep their jobs.
The environment under which business operates is dictated by statute. This evolutionary pressure results in successful companys acting as such to maintain their existence, entering into a symbiotic relationship with it's employees/shareholders.
The government has been subverted by company people infecting the body of government.
We can reshape the pattern by asking "What is the purpose of commerce?"
.
try looking at javascript sometime
oh yeah :)
It's just locate under another name and a smaller cron interval.
The way to really do it would be hack up your own nfs clients that did the logging for you rather than polling.
but now I get what he's getting at I'm not sure I know what the big deal is.
Certainly nothing like a "Virtual Filesystem".
It's just an expensive way of running ls on a cron every night/hour and using awk, sed, grep & join on the plain text output
if you really are interested in virtual filesystems though then plan9 is a place to look. Each processes get's a file namespace. Using bind, attach & union one can build different views of the same namespace.
Each namespace is a combination of disks on file and programs presenting files and directories.
All file access is via a protcol 9p so you can write your own file servers to present data like files and directories.
they say it better than me
crosshairs?
you sux0r
do cops have crosshairs?
i can understand why one would want to put the database into the filesystem but to put the filesystem into the database!!
/home/data/somefile.txt
you hide the data from many of the day to day tools people are used to using
cat, more, >, >>, awk, sed, grep, join, and a host of other cli tools.
hierarchies work and people understand them. How are you going to switch the filesystem tree into RDBM tables. It would keep Codd himself burning the midnight oils.
You might be getting yourself some extra sleep at night secure that your Oracle won't fail you but other tools are around to help keep a filesystem available (as other posters have mentioned).
Think about what you are throwing away and locking in to. All new employees will have to learn Oracle SQL to get to files, a delete with a badly phrased where clause could cost you plenty of time (and don't say you haven't done it).
A simple example
vi
or
select data from home-data where filename='somefile.txt' > tmp
vi tmp
sed tmp -f escapescript.sed
copy the output to the clipboard
update home-data set data = 'paste here'
Ok I realise that a few scripts can replace it but please, what's the gain?
The expertise of your internal support staff will need to be at the advanced oracle user level.
But, hey, go for it
come back in a year and let us know how it went
magic in the same sense that a chess playing program is magic.
oh, i see now, not magic in any way,shape or form then