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First Official CD Release of FreeBSD
Chris Coleman writes: "Daemon News is pleased to announce the availability of pre-orders for
FreeBSD 4.5. This will be our first release of FreeBSD on CD. We will
be using the official FreeBSD 4.5 ISOs created by the FreeBSD project.
The expected release date for FreeBSD 4.5 is January 20th. We expect to have CDs available two weeks after that.
We are taking pre-orders at this time to help gauge the number of CDs we will need to produce.
You can pre-order CDs here.
CD subscriptions are available here.
Vendor pricing will be handled through cylogistics.com."
Do I miss-understand , or can any produce these cd's and charge a "reasonable" free for them ?
Cruise TT
woo no more isos. now even people with dialup can use FreeBSD, lol j/k ;) I think this is a great step in further justifying a great O/S which i use regularly.
lnkslak.
Fighting for Peace, is like Fucking for Virginity.
You forgot MacOSX !!!
le_machin
Why do people bother to pre-order anything? When its ready to ship, let me know - I'll buy it then.
I would love to support daemonnew and give them money for cd's but its hard to wait 2 weeks after a release.
I looked on the page, and didn't see anything about what comes for the 40 dollars.
/shrug
Is it just the CD? Because I'd rather just donate 40 dollars and download the ISO when I can get it. (Which would seem to be less than 2 weeks after the release).
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"when life gets complicated, I like to take a nap in a tree and wait for dinner" - Hobbes.
I normally don't respond to trolls, but what the hell.
I believe the story is supposed to be "First official FreeBSD 4.5 CDs." Walnut Creek had been supporting FreeBSD development and creating CDs forever. I think FreeBSD CDs may even predate Windows CDs.
its always nice to see other OS's hitting the shelves. anything that detracts from the space windows would be occuping.
I'm anispeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
is that this is the First Official CD Release of FreeBSD by the DaemonNews Crew. FreeBSD by itself has been available on CD for as long as i can remember .... (at least back to the 2.2.x days).
FreeBSD has had "official" CD sellers for a damn long time. Just flip through freebsdmall's history list and see how long they've been selling them for. Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but FreeBSD's been sold in chain-stores like CompUSA for quite a while too.
Now, had anybody (the original submitter, or the Slashdot staff) actually bothered to read this, they would've noticed that it said that this is Daemon News' first time carrying official FreeBSD CDs. Which isn't true either, based on the Daemon News online store, but hey. This is Slashdot. What do we care about actual fact?
I mean, geez. Come on, Slashdot staff, can't you actually take 30 seconds and read the @#$#ing article you're posting?
I already have 'official' cd boxes with FreeBSD.. at least the back cover says "Berkeley Software Design, Inc." along with their address.
(for example, a CD with ISBN 1-57176-272-8)
So there's no news, I guess? I saw a loada new mico$oft hardware on other sites though.. -oh but we ignore them unless we can bad-mouth them, I guess.
Don't click here. BT will enforce intellectual rights and sue for eac
There are already Cds with this. So why not create a way tosupport, wich should be reliable and tax deductible, for donate the money? It would be far less expensive, didn't had to have a hard logistics, only an account on some emonet stuff and a piece of paper for tax deductions!
------I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either.------
I think you're the one that read this wrong.
Daemon News is pleased to announce the availability of pre-orders for FreeBSD 4.5. This will be our first release of FreeBSD on CD.
our which means, their, which means Daemon News. So its Daemon News' first time offering 4.5 on CD. So yeah, it's not news, but the submission isn't wrong. What bothers me about the way things are going, submissions are turning more and more into (community-level, granted) ads.
Ah well.
"Old man yells at systemd"
It is not wrong. It *is* the first release of Daemon News. Before they were sold by others, such as Walnut Creek etc.
I have an extra 42 gigs of HD space (2 + 40) that I'd like to pop into a Pentium 200 system with 128 megs of RAM and run as a misc file/web/mp3 server. Coming from a Mandrake 8.1 environment, how well do you think I'd love FreeBSD?
Bill Clinton: Pimp we can believe in. - The Shirt!!!
This release is supposed to be the first one to include out of the box, native support for Java, right ? Does anyone know if they are still on track with that ?
25% Funny, 25% Insightful, 25% Informative, 25% Troll
I have an ok knowledge of Unix's (the vendor supplied ones) my question is BSDi did that die in the hands of the wrs takeover or where did it come from ?
FreeBSD looks quite nice and I like the idea of the ports system
but what are its high's and lows ?
regards
john jones
this is simply amazing, FreeBSD FINALLY on CD. Sure beats the 60+ floppy disk distribution I've been forced to use over the years.
</sarcasm>
Geez, who writes these bonehead headlines?
I've have enormous trouble installing 4.3 and 4.4 (and I'm not the only one). The base install goes fine as always, but when installing additional packages, the problems start. The first packages are installed at normal speed, but after a few minutes, it takes about 2 minutes/package, no matter how big or small it is. I've tried the cd, ftp install, it doesn't matter. Does anyone know whether or not that problem is fixed ?
Marko No. 5
It sounds vaguely naughty. Is it something one can do in public without getting arrested or heckled?
I think they meant to say 'gauging.' Simple (and easy-to-do) transposition.
Bruce Lane, KC7GR,
Blue Feather Technologies
" I think FreeBSD CDs may even predate Windows CDs"
Do you mean that Windows CDs could eat FreeBSD CDs? That would give a new meaning to market competition!
When his defense asked, "Which computer has Jon Johansen trespassed upon?" the answer was: "His own."
But /. told me *BSD was dying!
Let's get drunk and delete production data!
Yesterday I reformated ant re installed all of my Linus OS's, due to the Flash virus.
Today I am going to reformmatt and re install this new BDS OS on my beowulf cluster.
I do like the little "demaon" icon, he is cute, but dameons can also be very very scary, as they are in my favoritse Linus game, DOOM. I think the Free BDS deamon icon wouldnot try to attact me.
Can DOOM run on this new BDS OS?
We are taking pre-orders...
:)
How you order something before ordering it.
On my shelf next to me, there's an official FreeBSD 2.1.7 release cd, dating back to March 1997. Makes me wonder whether they're introducing time travel as part of the 4.5 release. The release notes say nothing about that, however, and recent activity on the mailing lists doesn't mention time travel as well. It's probably some kind of secret.
There is absolutely no reason to panic.
I recently tried installing FreeBSD on my old P166 machine. This box has seen about a dozen Linux distributions dating back to Slackware 3.0 with no problems.
The FreeBSD installation program freezes nearly immediately after booting the CD. There is nothing I could do (BIOS, options, etc) to get the installation to go.
So I installed NetBSD (with no problems) and am extremely impressed. I highly recommend NetBSD to anyone wanting a non-bloated pure UNIX installation. It just works and is very nice.
The package system blows me away. Adding a new package is as simple as 'pkg_add mozilla'. It downloads the package and all dependencies and installs flawlessly. I have not tried Debian's package system, but BSD's pkg and pkgsrc system is in my mind perfect.
Is it me, or are the moderators on crack today? Is this troll any more funny today than it was the last 500 times they posted it? Please moderators, for fucks sake, lay off the cheap crack
Does this come with a boot floppy? Considering the junk floppies I have around (and new ones aren't much better) I could use one.
1. Why would I give money to a project that chief goal is to produce good software that can be stolen by the likes of Microsoft.
2. See #1.
It's funny. I have been able to moderate for some time now but I never did. Now when I want to, I don't have the ability. Go figure.
How can anyone in their right mind score this as "funny"?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news to this guy, but FreeBSD is far from dead. It lives on in Mac OS X (at least parts of it). Moreover, BSDi was purchased by Wind River (yes, that Wind River). They will eventually producte an embedded version of BSD.
Why can't people just get the facts straight?
I don't like to reply to flamebait/troll trash but this just got my goat.
If you are going to make a joke about predatory behavior, get your grammar right. We all know about M$ predatory behavior. However, in this sentence, "FreeBSD CDs may even predate Windows CDs", "FreeBSD CDs" is the subject and Windows CDs the object of "predate". This would indicate that Windows CDs are the consumables and FreeBSD CDs are atop the food chain.
Poppycock!
I just got this from the Free BSD site:
http://www.freebsd.org
Even if you're not a programmer, there are other ways to contribute to FreeBSD. The FreeBSD Foundation is a non-profit organization for which direct contributions are fully tax deductible. Please contact bod@FreeBSDFoundation.org for more information or write to: The FreeBSD Foundation, 7321 Brockway Dr. Boulder, CO. 80303. USA
well, it would appear that, at the time of posting, this will be the only non-troll-y, un-stupid comment attached to this article (imho).
come on my fellow freebsders, hit reply and lets show the world that we are happy with our lot (and of course, happy to try other OSen on occasion).
personally, i came to freebsd from a purely professional angle as the result of working with sunos 4, then on to bsd/386 [bsdi] (1.1, i still have the source cd) and now to the pure joy that is freebsd 4.4-stable.
i don't use ports, packages (and i've tried debian and apt-get) or anything like that. i like the whole "incremental improvement" buzz of downloading source and patches and installing them myself. hell, i even like breaking open the occasional header file and inserting a "#include or somesuch.
i can't believe i'm the only one.
si
(ps, excuse the lower case, but my shift button has broken and i can't be bothered to use the left one for anything but brackets)
hawk
Never expect people on slashdot to use correct grammer or spelling! Look at cmdrtaco, he runs a very popular web log site and doesn't even take the time to check what he posts on it. If the person in charge of the site obviously doesn't care about his spelling (aswell as not fixing stupid bugs in his code such as the one that lets people page lenghthen)then don't expect the posters who kiss his royal behind to care too much either.
The Slashdot Effect: A new for
What's a charnel house?
This is Gizzmonic saying you are filled with filth...and probably gaining fans by the minute.
our which means, their, which means Daemon News. So its Daemon News' first time offering 4.5 on CD. So yeah, it's not news, but the submission isn't wrong. What bothers me about the way things are going, submissions are turning more and more into (community-level, granted) ads.
It's the difference between "First Official CD Release of FreeBSD" and "DaemonNews' First Official CD Release of FreeBSD". The former is news, the second is a press release. It's not "wrong", it's just kind of....yellow (cf. Hearst).
When I was a kid, we only had one Darth.
You cannot resell the CDs they are releasing. Their CDROM ISO image is copyrighted. Not the software on it, but the CD image. You can however, make your own ISO image with the software, and resell it.
it is also the first *BSD OS to have version above 4.4.
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered horse community when last month Outdoor SA confirmed that horse-related activities account for less than 1 percent of all recreational activities in South Africa. Coming on the heels of the latest Outdoor SA survey which plainly states that horse-related activites have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. the horse industry is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing to attract more enthusiasts.
You don't need to be a Nostradumas to predict the horse industry's future. The hand writing is on the wall: the horse industry faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for the horse industry because the horse industry is dying. Things are looking very bad for the horse industry. As many of us are already aware, the horse industry continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. Vaulting is the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.Dressage leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of Dressage. How many users of Showjumping are there? Let's see. The number of Dressage versus Showjumping posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Showjumping users. Vaulting posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Showjumping posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Vaulting. A recent article put the racing industry at about 80 percent of the horse market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 the racing industry users. This is consistent with the number of the racing industry Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles in the racing industry, abysmal sales and so on, the racing industry almost went out of business and had to get emergency sponsorships.All major surveys show that the horse industry in South africa has steadily declined in market share. The horse industry in South Africa is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If the horse industry in South Africa is to survive at all it will be among horse fanatics and hobbyists. The horse industry in South Africa continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, The horse industry in South Africa is dead.
The infighting and politics associated with the South African horse industry compounds the fact that in the latest Outdoor SA survey, the Equestrian sports have lost even more market share. This is further proof of what we've known all along: The South African Horse Industry is failing.Why did The South African Horse Industry fail?
So why now? Why did The South African Horse Industry fail? Once you get past the fact that The South African Horse Industry is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible personalities, there is the historical record of failure and of failed sporting events. The South African Horse Industry experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in small equestrian-orientated circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know The South African Horse Industry keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players, and indeed, of ordinary South African horse people...? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?The record is clear on one thing: no recreational activity has ever come back from the grave. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of these doomed recreational activities, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shround over a once hopeful South African Horse community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for The South African Horse Industry.
You'd have to both read the posting pretty carefully *and* know some history behind the FreeBSD distro to figure out what's going on here. Looking at the posts on this artcle, it's clear that a lot of people think this is the very first time you could get FreeBSD on CD.
Hell, I had a subscription to the Walnut Creek CD's back in the 2.2.x days -- I think I still have 2.2.6 hanging around here someplace.
--------------- Murphy was an otpimist.
Well, he can't help it, he uses Linux. It is incomprehensible but your average linux distribution comes with something on the order of 15 discreet spell-checking programs and yet not a single application actually uses them, not even the "Office Replacements."
We are running on all desktops and servers SuSE 7.0 Linux plus Win2K as second operating system on the desktops. However I am getting increasingly worried about security issues.
Quite frankly it is almost impossible for us (due to time constraints) to keep track of all software updates necessary to keep the firewall and main server secure. The SuSE distributions are at times painful to use for upgrades - As far as I can see the SuSE scripts cant handle all our configurations. We tried on the server to upgrade from 7.0 to 7.1 SuSE but numerous reconfigurations were required to keep the running e.g. yellow pages - so we didnt upgrade in the end. I guess we would need to sit down several days to do it properly - but simply dont have the time. It is beyond me why distros as SuSE must make it that hard to upgrade. It seems that upgrading involves inevitably to reconfigure half of the system because numerous configuration file formats have changed which the SuSE scripts cant handle. I really wonder why we do pay for distros - only to have several GB of software which we dont install anyway ?
The firewall machine acts as a proxy, masquarading, DSL access point - so I do regard it as the most crucial point to tackle. The firewall log is now spilling out lines as if there is no tomorrow, the fw crashes the DSL regularly over weekend (absolutely no clue why) and we could probably employ another person just to check the logs. I am now thinking about switching over to BSD on the firewall (and possibly later on the server).
My reasoning is that BSD is less exposed since there are fewer systems around and secondly it should be easier to keep track of security problems since development is more centralised. Any views on that ? What would be the choice FreeBSD, OpenBSD ?
On FreeBSD, Real Men(tm) do:
/usr/ports/genre/cool_proggie
cd
make && make install
Why mess around with precompiled binaries when you've got a beautiful source fetch script + makefile sitting there begging to be used? If it's compiled on *your* box, you can bet it will run on *your* box!
--------------- Murphy was an otpimist.
Get a clue or stop pretending you have any that idea that you know what you are talking about. Get a life while you are at it and stop posting the same exact drivel over and over again. I guess you have a file that you copy and paste this crap from any time there is a BSD post. Here's some advice. Loose that file so you won't be tempted to copy from it again. It makes you look like a complete idiot. Not that I care what you look like but it brings the group intelegence level down by a factor of ten.
You can cut the cost in half by subscribing to one or more operating systems. They also ship subscriptions sooner than ragular orders.
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
"Official" FreeBSD CDs have been available for years and years, at least as far as 2.1.X (as that's the earliest I've seen) and probably earlier.
.iso's available have been for CD #1 of the 4 CD Set. Now there's an .iso for all 4 CDs.
This announcement marks the first CD published by Daemon News, which took over the CD distribution after Wind River (who did 4.4 after inheriting it from BSDi (who did 4.3 and 4.2 as well I think after inheriting it from Walnut Creek CDROM (who did all of them up to 4.2))) stopped.
The CDs have always been "Official"ly mastered by Jordan Hubbard as the Release Manager. The only difference is that the only
Hopefully the majority of people know this (at least the first part), but the story title could be confusing to those who don't, or those who have limited memory capacity.
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My comments and opinions completely reflect those of anyone and anything I am remotely associated with.
I'm sure that being first or official isn't what Chris meant to imply and is as distressed by the heading of "BSD: First Official CD Release of FreeBSD" as everyone else is.
:)
Just to clarify this for everyone else, there is no longer any "official" CD publisher of FreeBSD in the sense that they're somehow blessed or endorsed by the FreeBSD project. The project releases all the ISO images one would need to build a full 4-CD boxed set, that being the benchmark product standard established by Walnut Creek CDROM, and simply leaves it up for grabs as to who publishes them in whatever packaged form.
The ISO images themselves are called "official" simply to denote the fact that they're the authoritative reference for FreeBSD release bits. Anyone who publishes something which doesn't deviate too much from this standard is more than free to call the resulting product "FreeBSD" and sell it/give it away/rub it on their bodies/whatever as such.
Needless to say, there also are and have been multiple publishers of FreeBSD CDROM products, so this isn't exactly the "first" such distribution of FreeBSD on CD. But hey, this is Slashdot so two errors in one sentence is actually a fairly high standard when taken in context.
- Jordan Hubbard co-founder, the FreeBSD Project. Director, UNIX Technology. Apple Computer
I think I shall forego cvsup'ing and just get the CD. Why? Because I'm lazy. ;) God bless /usr/ports. BSD forever (or at least longer than Linux... wait, it's already outlived Linux).
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I could've sworn I disabled
Guess what? The original submitter of the aritcle is Chris Coleman what is the Editor in Chief of daemonnews.org.
So I am pretty sure that the original submitter bothered to read this, and that is why the slashdot staff posted it verbatim. Who looks like they didn't read the @#$#ing article now?
How your post got modded up to +5 is beyond me.
Do you even know anything about perl? -- AC Replying to Tom Christiansen post.
Correct/Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't FreeBSD released for many years on CD via Walnut Creek? In fact, I have a FreeBSD 2.2.6 CD set right here that clearly says "Walnut Creek" on it.... so, is this some sort of 2nd official official?
I know Walnut Creek was bought by Digital River (or something like that), and has thus stopped making the CD-ROMs, but the title is somewhat misleading.
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from the freebsd-java mailing list
> The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce that it has secured a
> license from Sun Microsystems to distribute a native FreeBSD version of
> both the Java Development Kit (JDK) and the Java Runtime Environment (JRE).
> Thanks to the great efforts of the FreeBSD Java team, these should be
> available for inclusion with the upcoming release of FreeBSD 4.5 in
> January, 2002.
I'm looking forward to this. It was possible to get the sources from sun and bootstrap it with the linux-jdk, compile it and install it, but it doing it wasn't completely pain free.
Now it will be available with the CD install. (and possibly as a port?)
It's whoever wrote the headline that can't read.
I noticed this morning on freeBSD.announce. I read it wrong myself to start with but seeing as I can remember a bit further back than Timothy i said "eh, but I've seen it in the shop? ah it's Daemon News's first CD, big deal."
In fact I'd forgotten all about it until I came here and wondered what all the fuss was about.
we live in a world of hype & attention grabbing.
I'm sure it must satisfy a deep human need for novelty. Neoteny at work I suppose.
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There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
I had the a similar problem with the installer. It would croak during installation. I've had many distros of Linux on the machine, without ever having a problem with installation. The installer was having page faults due to the cdrom. I used different Cdrom's with the same errors. I decided now to try Openbsd or Netbsd.
How do I filter all bsd postings?
An AC wrote:
> Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all
> practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
>
> Fact: *BSD is dead
Silly "*BSD is dead" troll! The hopes of all your kind were permanently dashed on January 7, 2002. On that day, Apple made BSD-based OS X the default OS on all of its computers. The battle to break up Microsoft's monopoly has begun, and BSD is leading the way!!!
Crawl back into your hole, silly troll. With a new version of FreeBSD, and OS X on all Macs sold, *BSD lives! Not even a miracle can kill it.
Beyond time, beyond terror, beyond death, Mothra:
Your heart can reach...Life!
This is just my opinion. Nothing more.
.x release. Debian sounds the best, but it didn't even install on the computer I tried. Mandrake just died one day (no clue)...the os wouldn't boot and i just gave up. Slackware is good, but it doesn't seem to have the documentation of FreeBSD. I used to love Linux, until I used it. The biggest problems I have had are with dependencies and non-kernel related problems. I think a centrally managed OS like the BSD's are much more efficient. With kernel releases every few months for Linux, how can you expect it to be stable? I'm a business person. I value time and money. /stand/sysinstall is the greatest utility FreeBSD has. From that 1 utility I can change anything I need to. Simple as that. Redhat had utilities that don't even work right!
After trying to use Linux (redhat 6x/7x, mandrake 7x/8x, debian, slackware) I found that none were upgradeable as easy as FreeBSD. Try upgrading from Redhat 7.1 -> 7.2. I've had it fail on 3 different machines (at work). Nightmares doing that. Plus everything is changing on a
BSD is just rock solid. It's easy to install, upgrade and use. It has been proven. I can't wait to use 4.5 and try it out. Linux is trying to emulate Windows, and it never will. Linux should find it's niche over time. I know BSD has and it's thriving. Doing everything for everyone is bad, and I know BSD isn't.
No, it's not yellow journalism. This is DaemonNews' first official release of FreeBSD. Before this time DaemonNews only *distributed* the CDs from Windriver and BSDi. This release is their own, and it's official.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
On the contrary to all the Linux fools out there,
it's Linux that's dying. Just look at the lame
turnout for these Linux expos like LinuxWorld
compared to last year. See how poorly all the
Linux stocks are doing. Observe how companies
are rushing to take the Linux word out of their
names like a bad disease.
Bullshit; Abiword (for one) does.
Sling your shit somewhere else, asswipe.
is it possible to use the same home-partition in FreeBSD as Linux uses? i.e. having both FreeBSD and Linux installed but using the same home-partition.
I bought the FreeBSD 4.4 cd's recently (d'oh!), which included the "FreeBSD toolkit"; what the toolkit consisted of was the files which go in /usr/ports/distfiles (your unpatched src tarballs, in otherwords).
They were fucked up, as they were ports for 4.3, so what I would like to know is...A)do the DN cd's provide "extras" ala the "toolkit"?B)Are they really "extras", or just rehashed ports?
/stand/sysinstall does consistently hang installing large packages (I noticed it on Gnome and KDE), fwiw. I had no idea (except trying to run gdb? strace?) how to figure out why, though. Since pkg_add worked, I didn't sweat it too much.
I did keep the cd's, fwiw; Since I'd already downloaded the ISO's previously I gave the cd's to a friend of mine who mostly works on NT (when he's not swearing at me for introducing him to FreeBSD, that is).
I'm really pumped for this release since it will contain the new java stuff from sun. Now you won't have to install the linux-base just to run java-1.3.1 :)
~Shane
One of the great things about FreeBSD is the ability to upgrade to -STABLE, ie new releases via the CVSup utility. The software goes out and finds the source needed to be updated. Then you give the commands "make buildworld", compile a new kernel, and then in single user mode "make installworld". (/etc gets merged seperately)
It can take less than an hour on a fast computer with SCSI drive.
I just got an email back from BSD mall, incase anyone was wondering what was going on with Wind River:
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:45:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Coleman
To: Mark C Ballew
Cc:
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Subscription
In-Reply-To:
The subscriptions will not automatically be transferred to us. I have no
idea what Wind River will do with them.
-Chris
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Mark C Ballew wrote:
> bsdmall,
>
> I have been a long time subscriber to the FreeBSD distribution from Walnut
Creek. When Wind River took over, I still recieved my subscription. Will you
be taking over subscriptions now? If so, I would like to continue my
subscription.
Does anybody know if there's a place I can check to see if changes made to -CURRENT are being brought into 4.5? I'm particularly curious about some changes made to the IDE CD-Burner technology, but I'm pretty sure it'd be a waste of (their) time to e-mail developers or mailing lists, particularly if there's a place that lists all the changes for the new release.
;-)
(Or maybe I should sit on my hands until the 20th, when I can check it online.
The software IS copyrighted, but its issued under a license that allows it to be distributed for free and even relicensed so long as the copyright stays with it. The way you said it it was like the whole freebsd project was public domain. Just about everything on the CD is copyrighted but that does NOT mean that you can't press your own CD copies with the EXACT SAME image and sell them. Please provide a link saying that you can't.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
hawk
this one perhaps?
this is ./, the moderators are immature LUSERS (Linux Users) ./ is filled with LUSERS.
that all the 10 cd box sets of FreeBSD down at the local staples aren't "official"
Thanks. I needed that. LOL
I wonder when it will be named ? 8)
An Anonymous Coward wrote:
> Notice how it's always the 'immature' LUSERS (Linux Users) that diss
> the all superior *BSD over Linux.
Oh, grow up. I'm sick of all the infighting between OS's here. *BSD hates Linux, Linux hates *BSD and absolutely can't stand Apple (due in part to some silly prejudice over mouse buttons), etc. This is Microsoft's way, it should NOT be our way. *BSD (including OS X), Linux, etc. should be as siblings, united against a common, and deadly foe: Microsoft. Some sibling rivalry is healthy, but it should be with a sense of fun and fair play, not cruelly calling the users of another OS "LUSERS".
BTW, Microsoft is not our foe because it is a monopoly. It is our foe because of its predatory business practices, cruelty to its own users, and its breaking of the law. I want to see its monopoly destroyed to remove its power to do more harm to the PC industry. I do not want to see it destroyed, but rather become a kinder company with fair business practices and better products. Something like IBM's "Peace, Love, Linux!".
> It's kinda funny, considering they say that because they feel scared,
> alone, uncertain of their future and most of all, very insecure.
While you are at it, learn some compassion! It is very sad to see someone who thinks it is funny to see others scared and insecure (whether true or not).
"Heart can reach where hand cannot. Climb over any wall..."
Mothra (via Moll) "Mothra 3: King Ghidora Attacks"
It's also funny how they run Yahoo and Hotmail, as well as build OS-X on a dead OS...