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Name The MySql Dolphin
JayBonci writes: "In case you all missed it, everyone's favorite database engine, mysql is having the name the mySql dolphin contest, and everyone is invited. Nothing like a million suggestions to choose from to help them out. Not only that, but it might be a good time to help them choose a better name than some other attempts at open marketing submissions." Bill! Thom! Nguyen! Samwise! Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate!
... flipper. Seems like the obvious choise ;)
I'm anispeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
How about: "Logo, the text-icon hybrid."
only becuase it makes sql server look good.
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Now wait for the lawsuits to come rolling in.
668: Neighbour of the Beast
Didn't you guys see the link to the MySQL site? ;)
How about "Select * from" ?
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Random, useless fact: I type in startx entirely with my left hand.
I will nominate: Bottleneck (the Bottlenose)
Er...uh...wait a minute...
mr.nobody
--Don't you wanna go where nobody knows your name?
The could call it Dolphin Lundgren
Not bad, eh? EH?
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I want to name it "tuna", because a can of tuna tastes better with dolphin.
Skiers and Riders -- http://www.snowjournal.com
Or "Starkist"?
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Name: Blue Base
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or because nobody's perfect ?
#include "coucou.h"
or maybe eFlipper?
It's a dolphin. It's associated with SQL.
So you call it 'squealie'. Squealie the Dolphin. See? Rolls off the tongue.
Well, ok, maybe not. How about Sam?
Lil Petey McDataSave.
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an erection with fins.
It's obvious.
fnord!
MyDolphin seems fairly obvious.
Flipperdijibit...
In case you all missed it, everyone's favorite database engine, mysql...
Hardly. Why this would be anybody's favorite is a mystery to me and the rest of us.
What's the Porpoise of this?
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(if you're still looking for the point, it was back there, in the post. </sig>)
Loser McLosedata. Tried /. recently?
...er, wait, Nintendo already took that path...
(intended as humor, please don't flame me oh mighty moderators)
~ now you know
what the fuck?
Either that, or Gates.
Tuna!!!
Yes I know it is wrong but it might just work.
*crickets chirping*
err nevermind...
crazy dynamite monkey
BillG, just for fun?
appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars
I don't care what they say, that dolphin is definitely doing something unnatural to the rest of the logo. "Humpy" or "Frisky" are my votes.
Call it CELESTE, cos it sort of sounds like SELECT.
Then they're going to record some dolphin sounds, so everytime we do anything in MySQL, we get to hear "eeeeee-eEeeEeeEee eeeeeEEeeeee"
(popup)"Do you want to know about 'Primary Key'? eeEEEeeeeeeeee-eEEEEEeeeeeeE!"
Ahh heck, lets just call it Clippy. Hmm. Or maybe Tuna. Yeah.
-- Dan
Crashy? Pissy? Fitty?
SuSE certainly got a bunch of good names for their chameleon a while back, but decided that the worst entry should win. "Geeko?" Please MySQL folk, for the love of Pete, don't pick the dorkiest name possible... :)
It has 'cute', it has 'familiarity', it has 'innuendo', it relates to bacon sandwiches... perfect!
Why the hell do all open source applications have an animal mascot?
I have a website. It's about Macs.
The obvious choice is Samuel McSamuelson. No reason, it's just a funny sounding name.
Given a reasonably level playing field, who would win a fight between a bear and a shark?
CowboyNeal. This would grant the dolphin instant name recognition within the geek community, and would save space on the "What's your favorite open source mascot?" Slashdot poll.
Eh, name is Ecco, just for the fun of it... (better than "Flipper" IMO)
TUNA
The people who make our canned tuna don't distinguish between tuna and dolphin, why should we?
As in "SELECT *" (spoken "star" by some)
~ now you know
Just call it Tuna
People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them
From the competition website:
:)
> If your suggestion wins, you will receive three
> custom-made T-shirts with the message 'I named
> the MySQL Dolphin' as well as a Palm IIIC with
> Camera. Three T-shirts, because when one shirt
> is in the laundry, you still have two other
> shirts to wear!
This kinda presupposes that the sort of people who hack MySQL actually *do* any laundry
These sigs are more interesting tha
or slippy or sqlippy or just combine the words database and dolphin in some manner
The GeekNights podcast is going strong. Listen!
Querio, after the database-related word "query".
Bill Clinton: Pimp we can believe in. - The Shirt!!!
Seaquill. Just a thought.
After my experiences installing and using MySQL (this is on windows machines), I hereby declare that that colphin shall be called "fucky".
and they could make 5 or 6 movies about them called free willy(i can see it before my eyes, about a dolphin that's captured by an evil man, and rescued by a kid and the dolphin could do al kinds of tricks, but then again , this sound so familiar)
MySQL -> My-Run -> Myron
MySQL -> My-Query -> Mike Weary
OK, I said they were bad. Get over it.
There is nothing so silly as other peoples traditions, and nothing so sacred as our own.
As the dolphin is of the family Delphinidae, it's almost inevitable that Borland will come rolling up with a lawsuit soon.
Oops
Call the dolphin "Gamecube."
[o]_O
. . .naming it The Wrath of Khan? That's MY sequel. . .
You are not the customer.
Does that sound okay? I rather like it myself.
I think you mean "glorified file system".
Lunch!
Perhaps "Milky" the Dolphin?
I'm amazed no one has suggested Darwin yet :)
Although Apple probably wouldn't be too thrilled with that.
Way to be original
~ now you know
xDolphin? Dolphin98? Dolphin2000? DolphinXP?
"If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
that's it...
I think this is taking dolphin placement too far, we should have an OroCULL.
After all, the dophin has been qmail's mascot since qmail-1.00 in February 1997.
Like it or not, DJB claimed the dophin first... what would people say if Microsoft started using a Penguin as mascot and held a naming contest?
Tarsnap: Online backups for the truly paranoid
"Flux" (Flipper + Tux)
does the PostgreSQL elephant have a name? I vote for "stampy."
Seriously, though, what kind of a logo is a dolphin for a database? When I think of dolphins, I think of these unreliable, playful creatures that basically live the life of riley, eating fish and playing tricks on sailors all day long. Whereas an elephant...well, they never forget, do they?
dM
Hey freaks: now you're ju
Man all the good names are taken
It Is the Nature of Information to Transgress Artificial Boundaries
But I'm reluctant to share it with anyone by the MySQL people. Does this make me a bad Slashdotter for hording information?
There are a LOT of good possibilities out there. Play on the dolphin aspect, the database aspect, what the dolphin is doing, what you want a database to do, something that inspires confidence, something that isn't already protected by intellectual property laws, and a generally catchy theme.
I personally would like to see the top 10 rejected ones. You know. "Mr. Hankey the Database Dolphin." Or "Commander Taco."
Hmmmm. If not Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate, then maybe Sir Michael Carmichael Zutt....
Madness takes its toll...
Or, if it prefers, "Rameses Niblick the Third, Kerplunk Kerplunk, Whoops, Where's My Thribble."
maybe whe should have a slashpoll about it.. but then again dolneal/myneal or whatever isn't likely to be accepted as the official name for the mysql dolphin .. myabe dotphin might be something... naaah
I think we're getting another one of those
"habla a spanole" sounds.
"...In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true..."
A smart dolphin. "Darwin". Ala Seaquest ... DUH.
Or Mr. Smarty Pants
Laugh while you can, monkey boy!
I want to name it beowulf, after my Linus beowulf cluster on which I play DOOM.
I just wish that mySLQ didn't *SUCK A88 OUT LOUD* so much.
Don't give Billy any ideas... I mean the Butterfly thing is fading out, they're probably looking for a new one...
~ now you know
Why not call it Howard, now thats one cool dolphin.
And for those who don't get the reference it still doesn't sound offensive or anything.
This contest has been around for at least a year. They added it when the guys at MySQL changed their website, which was over a year ago. Why is this just being posted on /. now?
The date says 05 December 2001, however, its been there much longer than that.
-Vic
"Don't lose data Samwise SQL, Dont lose any"
And he doesnt intend to, he doesnt intend to.
Scott Cassaday
I'll leave the creativity up to you guys, but here's some places to start from:
ACID test (and any of: Atomicity, Consistency, Isolation, Durability)
Transaction
Rollback
Commit
Select
Insert (hmm maybe better avoid this one)
Star
Wildcard
VarChar
m00.
Roe Loch
oof
why does it show tux and not the nameless dolphin?isn't the reason why the dolphin was created.
okay, i am all for free speach but this is just wrong....on many levels, perm-ban this ip/domain and at least let there be some decency on the /., if i want crap.....i'll read /.
Dave the Dolphin
He'll never let you down
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zadok.org.uk
Yes, we oldsters know that Charlie was not a dolphin, he was the Starkist(tm) tuna mascot.
We also know that MySQL is not *really* a database management system either.
OKAY, OKAY, what about Fa? Wasn't that the killer dolphin in an old movie about trained killer dolphins, swam around saying "Fa loves Pa" to George C. Scott?
Eve Fairbanks says I drive a hybrid!LOL
*lmao*
In the great tradtion of Clippy and other helpfull and friendly computer entities, i name you
'Fishy'
call him fuckface, which is what you should also call someone using that crufty piece of shit. If you want an embedded database, use berkeleydb; if you want a relational database use postgres. mysql is shitty at both.
first mysql sucks ass post
use a real database, geez. mysql is like an indexed file w/ a socket-access interface.
Johnny Potsmoker
But seriously... Chuck. Chuck Whitehorse to be exact.
Get your Unix fortune now!
Then MySQL can finally claim to support transactions.
Find your inspiration for a new name here!
http://ihateyourkids.com
To Quote Cartman Of Southpark
"If Dolphins are so damn smart why do they keep getting caught in those fishing nets"
http://www.kubuntu.org/
And what were YOU thinking it meant, hmmm?
Celseste means celestial or "light blue" in Spanish.. :)
$HOME is where the
-- silver_p
I say name it Kevin. Kevin or Gary. Either one is fine.
If its a girl, name it Sharon or Mrs. Nastybutt.
Those are my suggestions.
schISM
"I'm dying because my tail is missing"?
Don't ask why it's the first thing that came to my mind. (ROFL)
Think about it: Sex... Machine...
Laughter usually generates laughter... I said usually!
I think it sounds nice.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Noodle
No reason, really...I've just always wanted to name something Noodle.
look up sarcasm...
I'll just go and submit the name:
eeeeee-eEeeEeeEee eeeeeEEeeeee
Easy to spell(well maybe not, but no one will notice if it's spelled wrong), but definately easy to remember!
I'll send you a t-shirt when I win
Delphi was the best Oracle after all....
It also sounds like Delphinus, the dolphin constellation...
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who can count in binary and those who can't.
DeBasie is a jazzie name.
I'm switching to postgresql!
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
See, I've got these two friends, Flippy and Hambone, and I'm sure one of them would know what to name this dolphin, but I'm just not sure who which one would do a better job...
Libertarianism is rich wolves and poor sheep playing gambler's ruin for dinner.
Boopsie the inflatible dolphin.
Ooooooh yeah.
Squealer == SQLer == someone who does SQL
(also, something that makes a shrill noise, like dolphins)
Olob == Organic Large OBject ( a la BLOB,
Floater == FLOAT is a mysql data type
this guy.
please don't kill me!
Wah!
That's mine.
Larry Ellison, err, wait is that one taken? No, no I name the dolphin Oracle
lunky> c++; lunky> do{;}
Just imagine the adverts......:)
Eloi are stupid, throw morlocks at them!
Lect. As in SEE Lect.
or even:
Lectstar....
Paul Gillingwater
MBA, CISSP, CISM
"Endangered" (In more ways than one)
the only choice is to name it after the talking dolphin from the really bad tv show sea quest - darwin. "the light is dark and one"
That We name the MySQL Dolphin . . .
<drumroll> Sea-Biscuit
I do not know why, I just thought it would be a good name.
Is a Sig really an expression of the person behind the post or just random nonsense?
Mmm...chicken of the sea
Mike Hi. Get Blowie the dolphin, please.
Crow and Tom Blowie?
Mike Yeah, there's always a Blowie. (Devil Fish)
Prophetically, "transactionless" was the name of one of the dolphins in that George C. Scott movie. I never really understood it until now.
Certainly sounds like a dolphin name. In fact, if you look at Reeves, you'll notice he has a blowhole...
'Ford' from the Hitchhikers Guide. The first series to give dolphins the credit they deserve
Damn you, Salazar!
What about Jones, as in the jacked-in dolphin from Johnny Mnemonic?
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
+1, Pedantic
The original cyber-dolphin. Downplay the Navy affiliation and the heroin-addiction, and I think we've got a real winner.
MySQL is not my favorite database engine. It is missing many features that I find to be truly necessary.
The dude who wrote those sci-fi books on Dolphins such as Startide Rising and Uplift war.
Skipjack is another possibility. (Think about it)
Then we have SQueaL -- people have always said "sequel" but considering the "fun" of working with it, I always thought "squeal" was more appropriate...
Of coure, Bottlenose, Bluenose, etc. are possibilities.
And Wanda (in this case, it would be a Fish Called....). (Okay pedants, don't bother with the "ain't a fish" thing...)
And last but not least, I submit Jar-Jar. Why? Kids love Dolphins, and a Dolphin is bound to be better than some poor CGI-rastafarian-knockoff.
-- Mal: "Well they tell you: never hit a man with a closed fist. But it is, on occasion, hilarious."
Sorta, the Half-Assed Dolphin
I suggested "CowboyNeal" and "Cmdr Taco"
I don't think marketers would want "blow" in the same line as there product :-)
Kinda remains me of that Saturday night live skit
"Nutarific, Nutarific, it does nut tast good.
Not Flipper. Flypper
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
I hope our friends over at Microsoft do not try to stuff the ballot box on this one as they have in the past
I can see it now:
In a surprise move the Mysql group has named their mascot "MS rules, use Microsft SQL server".
Very odd this will be.
man
No manual entry for
In memory of my good buddy, Mel Cahoon from Utah, who was sleek, quick, smart, and very dolphin-esque.
I think they should call the dolphin Lord Malda of The River Elves
If not, there's always 'Freeper'.
FlipperTwo
:)
let's see how many figure that one out
-- Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? --
Flipper, king of the SQL (that's pronounced sequel)
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ecc
What about Doh the Dolphin? Too bad doh.com is already used
Look, that's why there's rules, understand? So that you think before you break 'em. (Terry Pratchett)
Not CowboyNeal,...
:-)
(drum roll, please...)
CowboySqueal !!!
Didn't bother to login. How about SQLDoll? You perverted ****!
Some call me ....... Tim?
Oliver's army is here to stay Oliver's army are on their way And I would rather be anywhere else But here today
I have, at "Houston's" seafood restaurant in Austin TX way back in the mid 1980's. It was a pretty interesting dish, it was a light meat and had a tenderness and consistancy somewhere between chicken breast and turkey breast... and NO, I'm not gonna say it tasted like chicken, because it didn't. It actually tasted like fish.
;-)
Most of the other patrons in the restaurant looked at us funny and talked about us behind our backs, we seemed to be rather "pollitically uncorrect" in our choice of meal... but hey, we were drunk and ordering dolphin seemed like a rebellios thing to do at the time
The ANSI standard declares that the official pronunciation is "es queue el."
Ner lbh sebz gur HFN? Gura lbh'ir whfg ivbyngrq gur QZPN!
SQeekLe?
Why bother.
CowboySQueaL . . . or is that one word?
ACIDfree*
Or maybe
Webber
Kind of like "Flipper," but best used only for websites because, like dolphins, they can go down out of sight from time to time without warning.
Canthandlehighvolumeupdateswithoutcorruption
Kind of rolls off the tongue doesn't it?
And yes, I have used MySQL and yes, I have seen what happens to a MySQL database from time to time even with proper maintenance and yes, transactions are not optional.
Best wishes to them on naming their dolphin though.
* ACID stands for Atomicity, Consistency, Isolation, and Durability
See this link for more info.
- I don't need to go outside, my CRT tan'll do me just fine.
Cowboy SQueaL
*sigh* oh well...
...Heimrich, because it's a cool name, and Delta Burke, because she eats dolphins.
Then we have SQueaL -- people have always said "sequel" but considering the "fun" of working with it, I always thought "squeal" was more appropriate...
How 'bout CowboySQueaL?
A company I used to work for decided that as part of the brand it was building sponsoring a whale was a good idea, the naming of which was opened to everyone, after some 300+ emails (in a company of around 50) some of the names were getting silly and in the interests of finishing the thread (and saving my sanity / inbox) I sent the link to the exploding whale (calling the whale splat wasn't that popular...)
;-)
A monkey in every office....
The proper name is S-Q-L (ess queue ell).
Sequel is(was) the name of a proprietary database product from the late 1980's.
...just to bug the Oracle lawyers (sharks?)
You're that sneaky land shark aren't you?
Ah, I'm just a porpoise ma'am.
count *
The MySQL fish (mammal.. whatever) should totally be named after the talking dolphin from Seaquest... Darwin.
I vote we name it Gravenreuth, after the lawyer in Germany who got the injunction against SuSE. Then every time this turd's name appears on a public document, sue the shit out of him for trademark violation.
Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /var/www/name/the/dolphin.php on line 19
I hate this kind of stuff ...
Life sucks.
Snorky.
Yummy.
You could be General Motors in the late 70's and early 80's and feel that the one of ways to improve quality would be to have a mascot.
You could also name him quality cat.
You would also not be making any of this up either...
how about Shampu?
ch-ching!
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
They've completely lost the point with this dolphin! Dolphins are supposed to be cute, you can't do that well with a stupid line drawing. They have to re-draw that dolphin, so that you get a cute, cuddly dolphin.
It should be more like Tux. Really. Learn from Tux!
Employee of Inrupt, Project Release Manager and Community Manager for Solid
Tursiops truncatus
Okay, I went to Oracle website to purchase the actual product and all I got is a blank page saying 'JavaScript Not enabled or not allowed by Proxy.'
Sorry but I will not put my 'millions of dollars and multiple terabytes of corporate data' in the hands of such incompetent slobs. If my first impression is that they are incapable to design something as simple as an html page, how can I trust them when it comes to matters as complex as databases?
Sir, your marketing drivel did not convince me. I will go buy elsewhere.
Dolphins have the best Sonar.
A little play on words, etc.
Taken from David Brin's Uplift series (he also wrote a great non-fiction book on the effects of technology on privacy called The Transparent Society), Creideiki is the first dolphin commander of a starship. He also eventually becomes brain-damaged and has problems retrieving memories (insert your own mySQL indexing-related joke here).
<S>YES!!!</S>
Norman Albert Form III a.k.a. Normie
'cuz he kinda looks like a fish.
Sorry, I just have a problem with arbitrary limitations
"What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
Humans Rule Dolphins can suck it!
bummer--and I had mod points today, too. Switched to PostgreSQL for my last few projects--the views and sub-selects alone are a godsend! Thanks for a great project.
mike
Liberty uber alles.
Weepy Weed!
Paris Garters!
Harris Tweed!
Oliver Boliver Butt!
Marvin O'Gravel Balloonface!
Dave McCave (since there is just the one)!
How about GatesBlows the dolphin?
Or something detrimental to their immediate competers.
If they want the opinion of random people on the web, they should have it. As a tribute to the memory of most beautiful person in the world, they should call it Hank, the angry drunken dolphin.
print "Yet another p{erl,ython} hacker\n",
...from the .NET? Seeing as that's where most dolphins end up, we can only hope.
Don't get me started on dolphins.
My vote for the name? "Tasty".
Abbreviated to: Sd_nFm.cOBvDL1
Englishified to: Sid N. F. McObviddle the 1st?
Tarkwyn.
Howzabout monkey?
A great name for your friendly slippery p.......orpoise. :)
Mysty (or Misty)
Booger
Mr. Sqeaky
Data the Dolphin
Dave (Dave's not here, man)
MySQL Bob
Throat Wobbler Mangrove
You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.
http://www.dolphinsex.org
I sent in Tuney, to do some tuneying on the database.
And I really thought that was original.
At least i am definitely slashdot compatible...
Ceci n'est pas une sig
Dolph Dolph the Dolphin. I mean, come on! If they picked this name no one would ever be able to think of a dolphin without thinking of Dolph Dolph the Dolphin, the MySQL mascot. It's golden.
because mysql pretends to be something (an enterprise-class database) that it is not.
"I shall call him Brian"
IMDB - Howard The Duck
-Chris
Postgres is dog-slow. I know this from running experiments. It is two to four times slower than MySQL. Go troll somewhere else.
I always wanted a dolphin called Sushi
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
Who fucking cares about the same of the dolphin...
I love dolphins.. because they look up at you in the nets and say; "I'm not a tuna!"
Yea that's what they say...!
It has to be called Darwin...
---- Put Sig here:
Name it "Findows". (Please wait 3 business days for Microsoft's injunction to ship.)
Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
That'll take to long. Call it "Findows". Microsoft's lawyers will show up with a subpeona and a giant net.
(So I posted it twice. =p)
Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
PiGSQueaL, that's great :)
chris@xanadu:~$ whatis /.
/.: nothing appropriate.
Add a few plush toys that squeek for effect... or a squeeky nosed t-shirt... hey, where is that link, I need some fabulous MySQL prizes!
--Fac Iustum Nec Time-- --Veritas Prevalibit--
...if they spent their time putting transaction support, sub-selects, etc. in the product instead of wasting effort naming the stupid fucking logo. Give me a break...
It's worth a try.
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
It's a lot cuter than SQueaL!
If you saw two guys named Hambone and Flippy, which one would you think liked dolphins the most? I'd say Flippy, wouldn't you? You'd be wrong, though. It's Hambone.
So I guess my vote is for Flippy. And then we can make a new mascot--Flippy's trainer. And that guy will be named "Hambone."
Yes, I think Deep Thoughts are funny. No, I'm not obsessed. Am I?
Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, looking through your stuff.
As a mysql user that was aware of this for quite some time, I see that the good people at MySql left out a section on their website, I think it goes like this:
Dear longtime users and people who actually keep up with our progress and don't just come here from slashdot:
Thanks for participating in our contest, which had been slated to end Dec 31,2001, as previously posted on our site. None of your entries were very creative so we thought we'd extend this indefinitely and let slashdotters have a stab at it.
On a serious note, this was a rude move by MySql for the people that had previously voted and had been watching their website for results. I'm not saying that a free-based product (for the most part) has to cater to a bunch of non-paying users, but they have the emails of the people who voted, why didn't they send out a note like the one above to the people on file as voting before the previously stated deadline?!
-= Why can't I add 'Anonymous Coward' to my list of Foes? =-
See:http://www.itworld.com/nl/db_mgr/05142001/
Yeah, I think "blowhole". It'll make the
limericks easier.
By the way: "everyone's favorite database"?
Don't you feel embarassed by shameless trolling
like that?
This thing shouldn't have the SQL, relational or DBMS words in it. It is a simple data access engine, supporting neither even the most basic SQL features properly (like datatypes), nor the most basic DBMS requirements (like ACID transactions).
Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA
DA, DBA, SysAdmin, Data Modeller
GNU Project, Debian GNU/Lin
1) Irish are funny, dolphins are funny, Irish dolphins are double-funny.
2) Reminds MySQL users to Get A Real Database, One Capable Of Referential Integrity.
"Celseste" was a typo.. I was talking about "Celeste" and I ment celestial as in "from the heavens" not as in color, and then that it also means azul celeste as in color.. :)
$HOME is where the
-- silver_p
Oracle 8i doesn't support SQL92 either. Your point?
(Btw, I agree that MySQL is for amateur hacks -- but disagree that the characterization applies to all open source software).