In short there is more to life than games or to put it even better games should be more than just flash and show. Graphics are a small part of the action.
The site doesn't mention anything about being an API for games development pertaining to graphics.
You did read their site before commenting didn't you?
You aren't a games player so why do you think you're so qualified to comment on what makes good games?
a sysadmin that argues FOR an undocumented and exploitable back door into his and *everybody* elses server that offers a total point of entry into everybody's files is clearly not the sysadmin you should be employing.
Who the hell would rely on a server that is 30 miles from their only sysadmin who not only CAN'T DRIVE but says that 10 minutes of downtime is too much trouble.
net exactly sure but the poster could still get prosecuted rather than the ISP
we had case here of a UK citizen who ran a porn site in the US. He got prosecuted because he uploaded content to it from the UK and thus the judge deemed him to have published it in the uk even though it was hosted outside
libel would be the same, the libel occurred when you typed it not when i read it
it's an arcane law really from the days when printers needed to read your copy in order to print it. It makes publishers err on the side of caution. It's an outdated law but I don't see it changing any time soon.
quote from the article :
"It's no way to make Britain the best place in the world for e-commerce."
As usual money talks. Our cities are run only for the shops not the shoppers - same with the net in the state's opinion.
the only freedom you have is to spend money in shops. .oO0Oo.
I almost shouldn't dignify your coments with a response;) Well I'm glad you did because you answer was very dignified:-P
the spectrum didn't even have a proper keyboard! And you could sit it on your lap while sitting on the sofa and play games in comfort. ah, well it always did look more like a remote control
Anyway, from what I've seen, most cheap PC keyboards use Spectrum keyboard technology just putting solid plastic moving bits over the top. hehe those babys are well annoying if you take them apart. I always buy the ones with good old switches.
nah, all *serious* computer hobbyists needed was bus lines out the back and IIRC, both the BBC and the spectrum had those. yeah but... oh i can't think of anything
Basic, who ever used basic? Assembler was where it was at. Well I was just telling ppl. Basic is always regarded as a lower form of life but BBC Basic was at a higher level. To be honest I never really used a Speccy much I'm just predjudiced. But if you had to use Sinclair basic then I'm not surprised you found assembler easier
the beeb had no space for basic programs anyway Yeah I learned the hard way. I started a board game idea for my O'Level computer studies but by the time I'd finished the board there was no room for the logic. I submitted something else I'd already written and got a U for the practical. Luckily I was an expert on Kimball tags etc. and still got an A over all!
it was 32k on the Model B, the Model A had 16k! And the Spectrum had 41k of available memory Oh, so you could write greedy programs then;-)
I mean, why tie up valuable memory space for IO hehe I suppose two bytes can make all the difference
a/d is OK (BTW, you can do that with your PC joystick port if you're careful) Yub I know but I don't think you can get a DirectX driver for 10k pots
And of course, the spectrum had a steering wheel too Was it made out of dead flesh rubber?
Ah, yes. The power of the BBC. You didn't have to go to the trouble of using more than the fingers of two hands to count the number of good games Well like most ppl I'll say Elite, Elite, Elite The Repton series, text adventures.... In fact I've got about 30 games all of which I still play occasionally. It was a shortfall of the thing but that's what C64's were for
Try writing a database on a crappy Spectrum. I'm sorry for saying crappy, it was the teenager in me. Serialising your data to floppy disk or tape was well handy. 18 years later and the only thing that has changed is the amount of data and the fact I use HTML as the presentation layer!
The Microdrive was a piece of crap. They looked flashy though - I was tempted for a wee while
It was a quarter of the price of the BBC, the manual was excellent and you could buy any extra stuff you needed and of course, it didn't suck:P I still think it sucked but you were obviously happy with it. I've got a ZX81 (with 16k) and that was a serious breakthrough. Hats of to Clive. It's a shame the Spectrum wasn't such a leap as the ZX81 (well there was the ZX80 but you know what I mean - I hope)
I'm glad we Brits had our own computer scene because I think it has given us something unique. If I'd had a C64 I think I wouldn't be such a coder as I am now. The BBC almost forced me to learn about computers in a way the games machines would never have done. Thank you Acorn and thank you Clive Sinclair. .oO0Oo.
the bbc seriously rooled for _serious_ computer hobbyists
the Basic it used had procedures and functions not just gosubs - i never used a gosub in all the years I spent programming on it.
it was 32k on the Model B, the Model A had 16k!
it had a memory mapped i/o port and four a/d converters (i built a steering wheel out of a 10k pot to play Revs). I miss that stuff on my inferior but faster PC.
I've still got my two BBC's and occasionally play chuckie egg or frak!
I computerised my dad's business on it when I was 13 before the company he had the franchise from computerised theirs so our stock levels and money were always what they expected when they audited us (the difference in or out of our pockets - good days and ten years before they caught on to computers - much $-). Try writing a database on a crappy Spectrum.
shame about the price the 12" LCD version (800x600) is 1458 pounds and thats with no HD, floppy, memory or processor the 14" version is 1683 pounds (1024x768)
I have a similar product based on the hs-4000 board (486 dx 100 and 640x480 but touch screen) and I use it as a net browser in my bedroom. I got it second hand for 175 quid which was a bargain.
I can't really recommed a touch screen though - very unergonomic .oO0Oo.
I've got a DPS PVR system which is an Motion-JPEG board. We initially bought it to output computer animation but eventually got the capture card too. It uses a dedicated Ultra-Wide SCSI 2 bus to do video transfers and can achieve broadcast quality (D2). It can also act as a video controller if your video decks use Sony BVU. I bought it all for two thousand pounds about four years ago - couldn't tell you the retail now.
The PVR is almost entry level for their range and I can thoroughly recommend it.
It runs on Win9x but is better on NT (where it installs a virtual file system and can deliver individual frames as tga, bmp, pict and a few others so you can edit them in Photoshop even).
As for editing well it comes with a simple playlist editor which we've used to make music videos with but for more sophisticated applications it integrates with Premiere, Razor and probably a few others (and because it can deliver single frames almost any editing software will accept a stream of TGA frames as input.) It even has plugins for 3D Studio MAX.
They say they will never port the drivers to Linux because of the NDA they have with Adaptec concerning the use of the SCSI controller (they could binary only one but hey I can't force them alone).
But because it can share the drive on the network it will also work with non-Windows environments as a video server.
If you are serious about high quality video then this is a relatively cheap investment. Not having to do an offline / online edit in a "proper" edit for a few days easily paid for it the next job we had!
comments are stripped pre-processing can change the resulting binary
The compilation of say C source code to binary is one way and it's also possibly a many-to-one transformation. Even an expert in assembler would be lucky to reproduce the.c file from a.out but they would be able to see the algorithm used.
Releasing binary only closed software is security through obscurity.
Which makes me think - if I claim that I took the binary of GPL'd software and hand coded changes to it in assembler (using a hex editor) the binary would be the source!
It's all a good reminder that the source code *IS* the documentation. .oO0Oo.
Well the feature list looks pretty good and the minumim hardware req is pretty low (pentium & 32mb) We don't use the VST-plugin side of cubase so no bother there. A great growing Free product is great for musicians all around. Keeping up with the Cubase family is expensive - and quite right too because they produced a product that opened up a great market - the crackz for cubase market. If it works well enough then another anchor to Windows is weighed. .oO0Oo.
the modern browser has become an integral part of modern networked business. We can write apps that sit inside the browser without having to worry about distributing installs and updates to our software. Any changes can be implemented on the company servers transparently to the userbase. This makes it a very powerful tool. Knowing that an html renderer is almost bound to exist on a particular target machine means I can write documents that will display acceptably without me knowing anything about the client. A DHTML standard is a *very* welcome addition in this environment. OK M$ and Netscape seem to like to add on their own special "enhancements" but so long as you test it in both you are ok. Presently I'm authoring a point of sale presentation. I chose HTML for it's portability. I phoned the client and said "which browser" they said IE5 and off I went. I've got a full screen app with plenty of gloss exactly for marketing purposes. It sits on the HD and no-one is going to complain about 500k gifs or CD quality sound. Before IE4 it would have meant I had to buy something like Powerpoint or Macromedia Director. As it is all I need is vi, gimp to author it with and a vanilla Win98 machine to test it on. I host it on my web server and they can look at it any time they like and offer comments and submit changes daily which speeds up the development because many eyes make lights work. I'm looking forward to a Standard DHTML DOM because it means I can get more work done in less time and it will look much better. .oO0Oo.
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but you are right, sometimes it is difficult to fit the file to the category. Lesbians rarely are and gay is a bit broad. And it's all a bit male orientated.
.oO0Oo. Politics is life. Vote with your self. .oO0Oo.
try reading some stuff. - I have "read some stuff". thank you.
Good then you'll be familiar with the issues of censorware blocking out non-depraved material and pages deemed innapropriate because they differ from the opinions of the blocker.
... in its godless sex-crazed environment. Have you ever visited Amsterdam?
Yeah, I loved the place. My girlfriend and I had a weekend of non-stop sex, porn and drugs. And do you know what? That kind of makes me more qualified to talk about censorship because I've had a taste of a kind of freedom. Sex is fantastic and sharing sex with people other than your partner is great fun too. Be that in bed with them or putting up a web page with your bedroom pictures on or posting the contents of your digital camera to alt.sex.fucking.
I get my political information from more conventional sources.
Like the bible or maybe it's the Koran for you? Shame you've got a closed mind. If not then you would know that fiction is a great source of political ideas. Ever heard of George Orwell? no maybe not because as a bible type you should know that other books are a sin and that the bible is the only source of knowledge you will ever need.
Keep off the shellfish
oh BTW 1.Thou Shalt Not Kill Don't forget it doesn't discriminate between humans and other species so get that Chicken McNugett out of your mouth.
Does anyone know if the ban on Rock and Roll has been lifted yet
Supporting your argument by referring the reader to comics is not really the right thing to do, you know.,
Really, why is that then? I illustrated my point about the rule of law with a colourful example from the world of literature. It provides a useful bridge for people between their experience and my point. It also provides a tangent point for the discussion as you have clearly deomonstrated.
You know, you really sound far too bitter....
I was a bit annoyed at the posters aguments. I hate all that nation state crap "you Americans are all....." when it's just bullshit. Anyone who's ever been anywhere must surely have come to the conclusion that people are much the same but the ruling institutions they are almost 'stuck' with keep fsking them over. The 'net is still not entirely institutionalised and we can see before us the battles between the people and the bureaucratic machine. The post I was replying to lauded the political systems of Europe as superior to the US. My point was that both had yielded much misery upon it's peoples.
The best way for people to go (IMHO) is to resist the laws of the machine by just ignoring them. In the UK a jury can find you not guilty if they think the law is bad. That's what a jury is for - not to determine whether you have broken the law but to determine whether you are guilty. That's why a jury should be made up of your peers. Wanna change the law - go break a few;-)
I don't hate Europe because, like all the places I have been, it is beautiful. I'm very thankful I don't live in an islamic state like Pakistan at the moment or somewhere else deeply opressed. At least I'm in a minor police state and am blessed with a comparitively luxurious existance where I even have the time to go on like this.
try reading some stuff. The main problem with censorware is the inability for it to achieve it's stated goals so it blocks out non-adult stuff. I want my kids to find porn / drugs / rebellion etc. when it's right for them not for it to be shoved down their throats. I get a bit angry when my 10 year old get's Porn Spam via ICQ or mail or search engines. It juxtaposes against their world and can cause confusion. Censorware is used in adult environments too. And on ISP's. Want to find out about abortion. Too bad. Blocked out.
and it's nothing to do with nation state
I live in Europe. Home of Genocidal Warfare, racial tension, xenophobia, terrorism, overcrowding, thousands of years of ripping the wealth from the people to the state, land clearances, deportation to the colonies....
so drop that pathetic anti-US crap because it's pointless. Citizens grab on to what little power they have because they have been systematically dis-enfranchised. The state wants to control because at some point they can charge you to circumvent that control. The more things are illegal the more justified they feel when they raid your house and don't find what they were looking for but "wait a minute what's this - links to drug culture, sex sites hey, we got us a live one". Ever read 2000AD? When a Judge came into your house he was *bound* to find something illegal because there were so many things in the category and off you went to the cubes. The state is just a money making machine so institutionalised that even if you assasinated every head of state the machine will just trundle on. They only want you to buy what they can make. Anyone can make porn so it's illegal. Simple effective control.
My advice - see how liberating a shoplifting spree feels. They stole your right to grow food the only way forward is to steal the food back again. .oO0Oo.
A 1996 law explicitly allowed British ISPs to invoke an "innocent dissemination" defense in cases of libel, but the recent ruling struck down this provision.
Laurence Godfrey, has filed 10 lawsuits in a personal crusade to try to force the Internet to submit to national libel laws. In this suit, he objected to a forged posting on the newsgroup soc.culture.thai that he claimed was libelous; the poster has no relationship whatsoever with Demon Internet, the defendant.
The decision may point to a broader trend across Europe. A draft European Commission directive on electronic commerce suggests that ISPs should be liable for similar kinds of content if they are aware of its presence.
Here is Demon Internet's spin on the story. http://www.wired.com/news/print_version/politics /story/18764.html?wnpg=all http://www.dispatches.demon.net/cgi-bin/framer.p l/pr/1999/pr1999-03-26a.html
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In short there is more to life than games or to put it even better games should be more than just flash and show. Graphics are a small part of the action.
.oO0Oo.
The site doesn't mention anything about being an API for games development pertaining to graphics.
You did read their site before commenting didn't you?
You aren't a games player so why do you think you're so qualified to comment on what makes good games?
I have avoided cheatcodes like the plague.
.oO0Oo.
they can make life fun sometimes
playing half life deathmatch with no dying is great fun with enough people - blood everywhere!!
>... including the girls changing rooms, shame I didn't have a webcam
.oO0Oo.
ah, now I know why they didn't trust you
>Then I got suspended for hacking. The bastards
you of course went to your principle and said
"I can get in to the servers but only by hacking. Would you like me to proceed?"
no, you thought you knew better than the admins and took charge.
I hope they hit you with a clue stick
a sysadmin that argues FOR an undocumented and exploitable back door into his and *everybody* elses server that offers a total point of entry into everybody's files is clearly not the sysadmin you should be employing.
.oO0Oo.
Who the hell would rely on a server that is 30 miles from their only sysadmin who not only CAN'T DRIVE but says that 10 minutes of downtime is too much trouble.
for cheat code magazines etc.
.oO0Oo.
games developers put them in to give their games longevity and playground talkability
have u got the cheats for x game it's cool
gives kids some hope and they don't become to despondent
ask Carmack about god mode
what norm do you live in?
.oO0Oo.
Why do you think XWindows was written like that?
net exactly sure but the poster could still get prosecuted rather than the ISP
.oO0Oo.
we had case here of a UK citizen who ran a porn site in the US. He got prosecuted because he uploaded content to it from the UK and thus the judge deemed him to have published it in the uk even though it was hosted outside
libel would be the same, the libel occurred when you typed it not when i read it
it's an arcane law really from the days when printers needed to read your copy in order to print it. It makes publishers err on the side of caution. It's an outdated law but I don't see it changing any time soon.
quote from the article :
"It's no way to make Britain the best place in the world for e-commerce."
As usual money talks. Our cities are run only for the shops not the shoppers - same with the net in the state's opinion.
the only freedom you have is to spend money in shops.
I almost shouldn't dignify your coments with a response ;) :-P
;-)
....
:P
.oO0Oo.
Well I'm glad you did because you answer was very dignified
the spectrum didn't even have a proper keyboard!
And you could sit it on your lap while sitting on the sofa and play games in comfort.
ah, well it always did look more like a remote control
Anyway, from what I've seen, most cheap PC keyboards use Spectrum keyboard technology just putting solid plastic moving bits over the top.
hehe those babys are well annoying if you take them apart. I always buy the ones with good old switches.
nah, all *serious* computer hobbyists needed was bus lines out the back and IIRC, both the BBC and the spectrum had those.
yeah but... oh i can't think of anything
Basic, who ever used basic? Assembler was where it was at.
Well I was just telling ppl. Basic is always regarded as a lower form of life but BBC Basic was at a higher level. To be honest I never really used a Speccy much I'm just predjudiced. But if you had to use Sinclair basic then I'm not surprised you found assembler easier
the beeb had no space for basic programs anyway
Yeah I learned the hard way. I started a board game idea for my O'Level computer studies but by the time I'd finished the board there was no room for the logic. I submitted something else I'd already written and got a U for the practical. Luckily I was an expert on Kimball tags etc. and still got an A over all!
it was 32k on the Model B, the Model A had 16k!
And the Spectrum had 41k of available memory
Oh, so you could write greedy programs then
I mean, why tie up valuable memory space for IO
hehe I suppose two bytes can make all the difference
a/d is OK (BTW, you can do that with your PC joystick port if you're careful)
Yub I know but I don't think you can get a DirectX driver for 10k pots
And of course, the spectrum had a steering wheel too
Was it made out of dead flesh rubber?
Ah, yes. The power of the BBC. You didn't have to go to the trouble of using more than the fingers of two hands to count the number of good games
Well like most ppl I'll say Elite, Elite, Elite
The Repton series, text adventures
In fact I've got about 30 games all of which I still play occasionally. It was a shortfall of the thing but that's what C64's were for
Try writing a database on a crappy Spectrum.
I'm sorry for saying crappy, it was the teenager in me. Serialising your data to floppy disk or tape was well handy. 18 years later and the only thing that has changed is the amount of data and the fact I use HTML as the presentation layer!
The Microdrive was a piece of crap.
They looked flashy though - I was tempted for a wee while
It was a quarter of the price of the BBC, the manual was excellent and you could buy any extra stuff you needed and of course, it didn't suck
I still think it sucked but you were obviously happy with it. I've got a ZX81 (with 16k) and that was a serious breakthrough. Hats of to Clive. It's a shame the Spectrum wasn't such a leap as the ZX81 (well there was the ZX80 but you know what I mean - I hope)
I'm glad we Brits had our own computer scene because I think it has given us something unique. If I'd had a C64 I think I wouldn't be such a coder as I am now. The BBC almost forced me to learn about computers in a way the games machines would never have done. Thank you Acorn and thank you Clive Sinclair.
the spectrum didn't even have a proper keyboard!
.oO0Oo.
the bbc seriously rooled for _serious_ computer hobbyists
the Basic it used had procedures and functions not just gosubs - i never used a gosub in all the years I spent programming on it.
it was 32k on the Model B, the Model A had 16k!
it had a memory mapped i/o port and four a/d converters (i built a steering wheel out of a 10k pot to play Revs). I miss that stuff on my inferior but faster PC.
I've still got my two BBC's and occasionally play chuckie egg or frak!
I computerised my dad's business on it when I was 13 before the company he had the franchise from computerised theirs so our stock levels and money were always what they expected when they audited us (the difference in or out of our pockets - good days and ten years before they caught on to computers - much $-). Try writing a database on a crappy Spectrum.
these look very cool
.oO0Oo.
shame about the price
the 12" LCD version (800x600) is 1458 pounds
and thats with no HD, floppy, memory or processor
the 14" version is 1683 pounds (1024x768)
I have a similar product based on the hs-4000 board (486 dx 100 and 640x480 but touch screen) and I use it as a net browser in my bedroom. I got it second hand for 175 quid which was a bargain.
I can't really recommed a touch screen though - very unergonomic
I've got a DPS PVR system which is an Motion-JPEG board. We initially bought it to output computer animation but eventually got the capture card too. It uses a dedicated Ultra-Wide SCSI 2 bus to do video transfers and can achieve broadcast quality (D2).
.oO0Oo.
It can also act as a video controller if your video decks use Sony BVU.
I bought it all for two thousand pounds about four years ago - couldn't tell you the retail now.
The PVR is almost entry level for their range and I can thoroughly recommend it.
It runs on Win9x but is better on NT (where it installs a virtual file system and can deliver individual frames as tga, bmp, pict and a few others so you can edit them in Photoshop even).
As for editing well it comes with a simple playlist editor which we've used to make music videos with but for more sophisticated applications it integrates with Premiere, Razor and probably a few others (and because it can deliver single frames almost any editing software will accept a stream of TGA frames as input.) It even has plugins for 3D Studio MAX.
They say they will never port the drivers to Linux because of the NDA they have with Adaptec concerning the use of the SCSI controller (they could binary only one but hey I can't force them alone).
But because it can share the drive on the network it will also work with non-Windows environments as a video server.
If you are serious about high quality video then this is a relatively cheap investment. Not having to do an offline / online edit in a "proper" edit for a few days easily paid for it the next job we had!
It's the player based economy that will fail
.oO0Oo.
it's shaky anyway but being able to duplicate your inventory would drop it dead if enough people did it
hope the coders find a better way of doing it than this crappy arms race
big difference in Quake is you play the other players
.oO0Oo.
in EQ you are competing against the ability for you to stay online playing the game for hours and hours
comments are stripped
.c file from a.out but they would be able to see the algorithm used.
.oO0Oo.
pre-processing can change the resulting binary
The compilation of say C source code to binary is one way and it's also possibly a many-to-one transformation. Even an expert in assembler would be lucky to reproduce the
Releasing binary only closed software is security through obscurity.
Which makes me think - if I claim that I took the binary of GPL'd software and hand coded changes to it in assembler (using a hex editor) the binary would be the source!
It's all a good reminder that the source code *IS* the documentation.
Well the feature list looks pretty good and the minumim hardware req is pretty low (pentium & 32mb)
.oO0Oo.
We don't use the VST-plugin side of cubase so no bother there.
A great growing Free product is great for musicians all around. Keeping up with the Cubase family is expensive - and quite right too because they produced a product that opened up a great market - the crackz for cubase market.
If it works well enough then another anchor to Windows is weighed.
the modern browser has become an integral part of modern networked business.
.oO0Oo.
We can write apps that sit inside the browser without having to worry about distributing installs and updates to our software.
Any changes can be implemented on the company servers transparently to the userbase. This makes it a very powerful tool.
Knowing that an html renderer is almost bound to exist on a particular target machine means I can write documents that will display acceptably without me knowing anything about the client.
A DHTML standard is a *very* welcome addition in this environment. OK M$ and Netscape seem to like to add on their own special "enhancements" but so long as you test it in both you are ok.
Presently I'm authoring a point of sale presentation. I chose HTML for it's portability. I phoned the client and said "which browser" they said IE5 and off I went. I've got a full screen app with plenty of gloss exactly for marketing purposes. It sits on the HD and no-one is going to complain about 500k gifs or CD quality sound.
Before IE4 it would have meant I had to buy something like Powerpoint or Macromedia Director. As it is all I need is vi, gimp to author it with and a vanilla Win98 machine to test it on. I host it on my web server and they can look at it any time they like and offer comments and submit changes daily which speeds up the development because many eyes make lights work.
I'm looking forward to a Standard DHTML DOM because it means I can get more work done in less time and it will look much better.
that's a really good link
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don't forget some of us can read assembler too.
.oO0Oo.
binary code is an expression of souce code
like translating english into mandarin
anyone can say how to build a car
anyone can own a car
not everyone can drive the car on the highway
anal
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asian
babes
fetish
gay
group
lesbian
mature
swimsuit
but you are right, sometimes it is difficult to fit the file to the category.
Lesbians rarely are and gay is a bit broad.
And it's all a bit male orientated.
.oO0Oo.
Politics is life. Vote with your self.
well kinda,
.oO0Oo.
but there are no hard and fast rules
grammar records not dictates
It makes it so difficult to enter into discourse.
try reading some stuff. - I have "read some stuff". thank you.
Good then you'll be familiar with the issues of censorware blocking out non-depraved material and pages deemed innapropriate because they differ from the opinions of the blocker.
Yeah, I loved the place. My girlfriend and I had a weekend of non-stop sex, porn and drugs. And do you know what? That kind of makes me more qualified to talk about censorship because I've had a taste of a kind of freedom. Sex is fantastic and sharing sex with people other than your partner is great fun too. Be that in bed with them or putting up a web page with your bedroom pictures on or posting the contents of your digital camera to alt.sex.fucking.
I get my political information from more conventional sources.
Like the bible or maybe it's the Koran for you? Shame you've got a closed mind. If not then you would know that fiction is a great source of political ideas. Ever heard of George Orwell? no maybe not because as a bible type you should know that other books are a sin and that the bible is the only source of knowledge you will ever need.
Keep off the shellfish
oh BTW 1.Thou Shalt Not Kill
Don't forget it doesn't discriminate between humans and other species so get that Chicken McNugett out of your mouth.
Does anyone know if the ban on Rock and Roll has been lifted yet
Supporting your argument by referring the reader to comics is not really the right thing to do, you know.,
Really, why is that then? I illustrated my point about the rule of law with a colourful example from the world of literature. It provides a useful bridge for people between their experience and my point. It also provides a tangent point for the discussion as you have clearly deomonstrated.
You know, you really sound far too bitter....
I was a bit annoyed at the posters aguments. I hate all that nation state crap "you Americans are all....." when it's just bullshit. Anyone who's ever been anywhere must surely have come to the conclusion that people are much the same but the ruling institutions they are almost 'stuck' with keep fsking them over. The 'net is still not entirely institutionalised and we can see before us the battles between the people and the bureaucratic machine. The post I was replying to lauded the political systems of Europe as superior to the US. My point was that both had yielded much misery upon it's peoples.
The best way for people to go (IMHO) is to resist the laws of the machine by just ignoring them. In the UK a jury can find you not guilty if they think the law is bad. That's what a jury is for - not to determine whether you have broken the law but to determine whether you are guilty. That's why a jury should be made up of your peers. Wanna change the law - go break a few ;-)
I don't hate Europe because, like all the places I have been, it is beautiful. I'm very thankful I don't live in an islamic state like Pakistan at the moment or somewhere else deeply opressed. At least I'm in a minor police state and am blessed with a comparitively luxurious existance where I even have the time to go on like this.
Until that is, you find out what I'm like and then I'll be out rotting too.
.oO0Oo.
Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Shintoists, Bhuddists, Jews, Pagans, Taoists, Catholics, Athiests, Agnostics, You, Me.
All wrong. None of the above have the slightest clue about any of it.
try reading some stuff. The main problem with censorware is the inability for it to achieve it's stated goals so it blocks out non-adult stuff. I want my kids to find porn / drugs / rebellion etc. when it's right for them not for it to be shoved down their throats. I get a bit angry when my 10 year old get's Porn Spam via ICQ or mail or search engines. It juxtaposes against their world and can cause confusion.
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Censorware is used in adult environments too. And on ISP's. Want to find out about abortion. Too bad. Blocked out.
and it's nothing to do with nation state
I live in Europe.
Home of Genocidal Warfare, racial tension, xenophobia, terrorism, overcrowding, thousands of years of ripping the wealth from the people to the state, land clearances, deportation to the colonies
so drop that pathetic anti-US crap because it's pointless. Citizens grab on to what little power they have because they have been systematically dis-enfranchised.
The state wants to control because at some point they can charge you to circumvent that control. The more things are illegal the more justified they feel when they raid your house and don't find what they were looking for but "wait a minute what's this - links to drug culture, sex sites hey, we got us a live one".
Ever read 2000AD? When a Judge came into your house he was *bound* to find something illegal because there were so many things in the category and off you went to the cubes.
The state is just a money making machine so institutionalised that even if you assasinated every head of state the machine will just trundle on.
They only want you to buy what they can make. Anyone can make porn so it's illegal.
Simple effective control.
My advice - see how liberating a shoplifting spree feels. They stole your right to grow food the only way forward is to steal the food back again.
A 1996 law explicitly allowed British ISPs to invoke an "innocent dissemination" defense in cases of libel, but the recent ruling struck down this provision.
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Laurence Godfrey, has filed 10 lawsuits in a personal crusade to try to force the Internet to submit to national libel laws. In this suit, he objected to a forged posting on the newsgroup soc.culture.thai that he claimed was libelous; the poster has no relationship whatsoever with Demon Internet, the defendant.
The decision may point to a broader trend across Europe. A draft European Commission directive on electronic commerce suggests that ISPs should be liable for similar kinds of content if they are aware of its presence.
Here is Demon Internet's spin on the story.
http://www.wired.com/news/print_version/politic
http://www.dispatches.demon.net/cgi-bin/framer.