Re:I'm a "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" user
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> I hope you aren't interested in growing the Plan 9 community with an attitude like that.
If it bothers you, there's no point in coming.
Plan 9 is based on another idea : "Not only is UNIX dead, it's starting to smell really bad" - Rob Pike
> If you supposedly have a superior OS, you can afford to have some class about it.
There's no point calling a turd a diamond to save the feelings of the person who shitted it out.
Re:Sounds like what The Hurd was supposed to be...
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Plan 9 predates The Hurd
Erlang - don't think so. Limbo & Plan 9 C use CSP channels.
Stripped down plan 9 for RTOS - not as far as I'm aware, it's used more for clustering. LANL use it there, they might be the people to ask.
I'm a "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" user
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"Plan 9 from Bell Labs" is the proper name of the OS.
Plan 9 is now community driven, albiet from a small community, mostly the same people that have been there all along.
It has USB sound support and AC97 support is a new one on me.
I use it still because the user environment is the best one I have encountered for text editing and interecting with the shell. Most users use VNC to get to their X11/Windows desktops where their web browser lives.
Building a web browser from scratch is one of those never ending tasks that frankly, just isn't worth your while. That said there is Mothra - no tables, no css, no frames etc. that Tom Duff (yes that Tom Duff) wrote many moons ago and one of the community is beavering away at his project Abaco and has moderate success.
One of the main tenets to Plan 9 is "everything is a file" and the system is built around the notion of a distributed name space in the shape of a directory tree rather than being a reflection of the disk contents. The canonical example of this is ftps where the remote ftp site is presented as a directory tree at/n/ftp
Name spaces are process independent so you can build them per process which feels a bit like chrooting.
Exporting a name space is part of the deal, this presents many gifts that were not deliberately shoe-horned in such as remote step debugging across architectures, sending sound to a remote soundcard, importing a remote machine's network stack instead of using a gateway (including non-plan9 machines via ssh), importing remote filesystems (including non plan 9 machines). All this is facilitated by the 9p protocol.
As a micro/macro kernel hybrid all this is achieved in just 37 syscalls which is a source of amusement and a feeling of superiority when compared to Linux' 300+ (so many they are not even enumerated any more).
Linux is derided in the mailing list ("For amateurs, by amateurs") as well as the failings of the other braindead OSes we have to deal with ("If only they did it like us").
Linus has stopped by in 9fans to whine on about stuff and was seen off, Theo wanted our compilers when he didn't want the license (as imposed by Lucent lawyers) but since they have been dual licensed we've not seen him around.
Inferno isn't plan 9, it's another product built on similar principles that was sold off by Lucent.
Lucent's management of Plan 9 in hindsight could have prevented adoption when it was crucial - it was $300 per copy prior to v. 3 and once a free download had a "copies of all modifications must be sent to Lucent" clause and other annoying restrictions in it. These have been lifted now but they boat could already have sailed.
The notion of distributed computing has gained ground in recent times and Plan 9 could have been at the forefront with distributed computing being built in from the start.
All that said, Plan 9 was never intended as anything more than an experiment and some ideas have slowly crept into other products (or possibly independently invented) - notably Windows XP presenting their stuff as files/folders, ftpfs in Linux, single sign-on.
The notion of good research
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A few years ago an American business consultant and author published a very silly book called 'Smart Mobs' - which even predicted that phone-toting nerds would be at the vanguard of social upheaval.
But something funny happened on the way to this digital nirvana. Perhaps the signs were there from the start: 'Smart Mobs' couldn't find a UK publisher. A website of the same name continues, however, apparently staffed by volunteers, and making its ghostly way across the web like a latter day Marie Celeste. Alas the site still has a category called "How To Recognize The Future When It Lands On You.
wicontrol [-i] iface -m mac_address Set the station address for the specified interface. The mac_address is specified as a series of six hexadecimal values separated by colons, e.g., ``00:60:1d:12:34:56''. This programs the new address into the card and updates the interface as well.
You don't give up any "rights", privacy or otherwise.
You just know that you have to behave with decorum and that any misdemeanors could be made public.
I have a friend who's father & brother are a famous professional athletes. The family has always been aware that anything they do that is a bit risque could appear in the public eye any time.
The rule of thumb that seems to have been forgotten in recent years by some of Englands professional footballers is "if you want to have gang sex in a hotel room, try not to video tape yourselves doing it".
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> I hope you aren't interested in growing the Plan 9 community with an attitude like that.
If it bothers you, there's no point in coming.
Plan 9 is based on another idea : "Not only is UNIX dead, it's starting to smell really bad" - Rob Pike
> If you supposedly have a superior OS, you can afford to have some class about it.
There's no point calling a turd a diamond to save the feelings of the person who shitted it out.
Plan 9 predates The Hurd
Erlang - don't think so. Limbo & Plan 9 C use CSP channels.
Stripped down plan 9 for RTOS - not as far as I'm aware, it's used more for clustering. LANL use it there, they might be the people to ask.
"Plan 9 from Bell Labs" is the proper name of the OS.
/n/ftp
Plan 9 is now community driven, albiet from a small community, mostly the same people that have been there all along.
It has USB sound support and AC97 support is a new one on me.
I use it still because the user environment is the best one I have encountered for text editing and interecting with the shell. Most users use VNC to get to their X11/Windows desktops where their web browser lives.
Building a web browser from scratch is one of those never ending tasks that frankly, just isn't worth your while. That said there is Mothra - no tables, no css, no frames etc. that Tom Duff (yes that Tom Duff) wrote many moons ago and one of the community is beavering away at his project Abaco and has moderate success.
One of the main tenets to Plan 9 is "everything is a file" and the system is built around the notion of a distributed name space in the shape of a directory tree rather than being a reflection of the disk contents. The canonical example of this is ftps where the remote ftp site is presented as a directory tree at
Name spaces are process independent so you can build them per process which feels a bit like chrooting.
Exporting a name space is part of the deal, this presents many gifts that were not deliberately shoe-horned in such as remote step debugging across architectures, sending sound to a remote soundcard, importing a remote machine's network stack instead of using a gateway (including non-plan9 machines via ssh), importing remote filesystems (including non plan 9 machines). All this is facilitated by the 9p protocol.
As a micro/macro kernel hybrid all this is achieved in just 37 syscalls which is a source of amusement and a feeling of superiority when compared to Linux' 300+ (so many they are not even enumerated any more).
Linux is derided in the mailing list ("For amateurs, by amateurs") as well as the failings of the other braindead OSes we have to deal with ("If only they did it like us").
Linus has stopped by in 9fans to whine on about stuff and was seen off, Theo wanted our compilers when he didn't want the license (as imposed by Lucent lawyers) but since they have been dual licensed we've not seen him around.
Inferno isn't plan 9, it's another product built on similar principles that was sold off by Lucent.
Lucent's management of Plan 9 in hindsight could have prevented adoption when it was crucial - it was $300 per copy prior to v. 3 and once a free download had a "copies of all modifications must be sent to Lucent" clause and other annoying restrictions in it. These have been lifted now but they boat could already have sailed.
The notion of distributed computing has gained ground in recent times and Plan 9 could have been at the forefront with distributed computing being built in from the start.
All that said, Plan 9 was never intended as anything more than an experiment and some ideas have slowly crept into other products (or possibly independently invented) - notably Windows XP presenting their stuff as files/folders, ftpfs in Linux, single sign-on.
man page != implementation
http://cm.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/emacs
NAME
emacs - editor macros
SYNOPSIS
emacs [ options ]
DESCRIPTION
This page intentionally left blank.
SOURCE
MIT
SEE ALSO
sam(1), vi(1)
BUGS
Yes.
Copyright © 2006 Lucent Technologies. All rights reserved.
and vi(1) isn't what you might think either
BSD, go for it
that's just peachy
Has it got a windows key too ?
I notice that the Leveno Thinkpads have gone to two button touchpads too.
I'll be glad when I'm out of computing, it's a lifetime of frustration.
Weak encryption as access control is all kinda lame.
There is also a properly defined language for communication, English. And in English we spell it "independent".
Your proprietry English that contains "independant" will probably go out of business and you will wither and perish.
If hardware is always getting faster then development time is the best metric.
Elegant code reduces development time.
Are you calling GNU code elegant ?
No-one I know that has to cope with GNU code would call it elegant.
So you are suggesting that someone would go to the trouble of sniffing my wireless packets but give up when they encounter easily broken encryption ?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/21/whatever_h appened_to_smartphones/
Whatever happened to... the smartphone?
A few years ago an American business consultant and author published a very silly book called 'Smart Mobs' - which even predicted that phone-toting nerds would be at the vanguard of social upheaval.
But something funny happened on the way to this digital nirvana. Perhaps the signs were there from the start: 'Smart Mobs' couldn't find a UK publisher. A website of the same name continues, however, apparently staffed by volunteers, and making its ghostly way across the web like a latter day Marie Celeste. Alas the site still has a category called "How To Recognize The Future When It Lands On You.
If you leave the door unlocked, you're not insured for any resulting loss of property, at least on the policies I have seen.
wicontrol [-i] iface -m mac_address
Set the station address for the specified interface. The
mac_address is specified as a series of six hexadecimal values
separated by colons, e.g., ``00:60:1d:12:34:56''. This programs
the new address into the card and updates the interface as well.
> a bad encryption is still better than no encryption
could you explain this one to me please
Then you should work harder on your retorts.
Spelling.
Sensitive & Incompetent
How amusing.
You're giving the Brits a bad name.
Privileges
Vulnerabilities
Stick to low syllable count words if you can't hack it with the big boys !
Which malware did you have infecting your Linux boxes ?
You don't give up any "rights", privacy or otherwise.
You just know that you have to behave with decorum and that any misdemeanors could be made public.
I have a friend who's father & brother are a famous professional athletes. The family has always been aware that anything they do that is a bit risque could appear in the public eye any time.
The rule of thumb that seems to have been forgotten in recent years by some of Englands professional footballers is "if you want to have gang sex in a hotel room, try not to video tape yourselves doing it".
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ is the one you want; replaces flash content with a play button.
1 bit is a very short video :o
They should have used the LOC metric
NEW HP CHIP = 4 * 1024 * 1024 bits
1 LOC = 10 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 8
therefore the new chip will hold 1 / (10 * 1024 * 1024 * 2) LOC
or
4.7683715e-8 Libraries of Congress
You have totally missed the point.
I walk up to the reader with a crafted RFID and infect the database.
This is "I can to read ANYONE's card" not "anyone can read MY card".
Bit obvious really : "don't trust random stranger's data" - Film at 11
Oh-noh!!