>still, it hurts to see it in writing, dosen't it:).
Not really because it gives Linux and the other OS's more freedom to evolve in their own directions instead of overly concerned with becoming "Windows Clones". You see if the judge had stated the opposite, Microsoft and it's defenders could point to this and claim that all that Linux and the other OS's had to do was become "more Windows-like" and everbody would live happily afterever.
>Yeah I especially enjoyed the judge ruling Linux to be a Fringe >Operating System -- not a real contender like Warp and MacOS. This >shows how out of touch the judge was.
Sorry to disapoint you Astroturfer,but this actually shows just how in touch he was. This pretty much nukes Microsoft "Linux Defense" in any future appeals by ruling that Linux has little or nothing to do with the case the DOJ brought against Microsoft.
>And neither is any site outside the US. If US regulations become >burdensome, we'll move the site. Much cheaper than continuously hiring >lawyers.
Sorry loser, won't work since the law as I understand it applies *TO THE OWNER OF THE WEB SITE*. If a US company hires you to design a WWW site for them, the law applies no matter where you may locate the site. It's pretty much the same thing as the laws making Online Gambling ilegal. In fact if a company does as you suggest, I really suspect that they will lose any case brought against them automatically, since they will in fact be pleading guilty to the charges being brought against them.
>Interesting to see RMS sound almost libertarian there at the end while calling ESR a Marxist!
Does anyone picture RMS and ESR sitting in an room reading the Slashdot comments their articles generate, and then start laughing themselves sick......
>If they stop profiting, they stop making movies, and poof! no more >"Matrix"-quality films.
Which is a good thing since "The Matrix" is a really shitty movie. Let's be honest here, The Matrix is basically nothing but a bad rip-off of TRON and/or the Terminator movies. If you want to this kind of stuff done well/right, look at the Manga and Anime series from Japan.
> Hopefully they will *not* be GPL'd so other operating systems can >benefit by Aureal's decision.
Who says BSD and other OS's can't use the GPL code? What people like you can't do is change one or two lines and claim everything as their code when it's not. Quite frankly driver code such as this for soundcards should be GPL'ld just to prevent people like yourself from pulling this kind of stunt.
>First of all, I want to say that I think this AC's post really >deserves to be moderated up. It's well written and presents a >negative view of Redhat which moderators traditionally either ignore >or moderate down (even if factually correct). Which is a shame, >because that shows real bias. Moderators, might I implore you to >consider writing style and content first, your personal opinions >last?
>With DVD we now have the ability to have almost the same experience >at home as we do in the theater.
Total Bullshit. If you think watching a moive on a box with a glass screen can be compared to seeing a movie in a theater with your friends I really feel sorry for you. Seeing Stars Wars or 2001 on a 19-inch box *IS NOTHING LIKE SEEING IT IN A THEATER* and it *NEVER WILL BE*
> Better yet, life would be wonderful if people could use the small set >of well known licenses ( GPL, BSD - without advertising, and Artistic > ) instead of trying to invent their own. But LWN have already said >that.
In case you haven't noticed, LWN is rapidly becoming the ZD of the linux world, with it's posting of half-researched articles and editorals.
>Well, just witness the problems with the whole KDE vs. Gnome >conflict. What's the problem, here? I think it essentially boils down >to the use of QT in KDE. I rarely see much discussion of the relative >merits of the respective GUIs, only philosophical discussions of the >two licenses.
Actually the problem is that RedHat was right about KDE/QT mess all along, but the RedHat-bashing element of the KDE crowd are scarced to death to admit it.
>Only in the limited, communistic definition of "free" that RMS and >his zealots use. Here's a clue for you, though I have little hope >it'll stick: True freedom necessarily includes the freedom to do >things that piss you off. Until you realize that, this flamewar will >never end.
You need the clue moron. There's no such thing as true freedom. Try shouting fire in a moive theather or Hijack onboard an airliner....
Of course you could always try studying American History.....
The real truth of the matter is more and more people are seeing through your little sham and realizing that you *ARE NOT* adovacating freedom at all, but rather a form of slave labor.
>I hope they succeed, because Gateway pulled out the carpet from under >my feet, the BASTARDS.
You're kidding right? This case if it ever makes it to a courtroom is going to be laughed out of court. Exactly who mislead who here? Nobody outside the rabid Amiga userbase seriously thought for one minute that Gateway was going to reissue/reintroduce the Amiga, especially in the US.
>Who wants your friggin blurb begging for money? Crap like that has no >place on the street, much less Linux. That's called "pandering" or >"panhandling" when done elsewhere.
And these guys are the first ones in line demanding that laws or ordinances be passed banning it in the areas where they live. Ironic isn't it?
>so you're basically saying that linux is only for the rich-either >large companies like IBM and Oracle or people who have enough time on >their hands to give away their work for free. Screw the small >developers huh?
Damn right. They've been screwing us for years. It's exactly the 10 dollar crap app that's turned a hell of a lot of people off on shareware. A lot of that crap is buggy as hell and the people who release it know it. They figure they can con people into "upgrading" to the "professional" versions of the software. In other words shareware has become pretty much a "bait and switch" operation and it's something most of the people using Linux/BSD want no part of anymore.
>According to StatMarket, which monitors over 28 million daily >visitors to over 83,000 independent Web sites,
In case you haven't realized,StatMarket monitors sites *DESIGNED FOR WINDOWS USERS*. Most Linux users would have little or no interest in these sites, therefore don't bother with visiting them. Does StatMarket monitor the sites who's focus is the Linux/BSD/Unix user? Of course not. StatMarket stats are a perfect real-world example of "Garbage In, Garbage Out".
>Why do so many Linux users bash everyone and everything under the sun >when they dont provide free source code, and yet when Quake and >Unreal are released no one seems to give a crap?
Basically because shareware (this IS want you are bitching about isn't it) has become nothing but a scam that tries to convince people that paying to be a beta tester of some software package (and that's all shareware amounts to these days) is something that's desirable. Shareware has a pretty bad reputation among people who run/use linux, so it's no big surprise that the concept is disliked. With software like QUAKE and UNREAL people know what they getting and can expect from the company that makes it. Notice that very few if any of the people who actually use linux are asking Microsoft to port IE to linux? Kinda blows a hole in your rant, doesn't it?
>(I know, I know, none of us could have slept knowing that MS used >Linux code to make a better Windows and the Linux community's work >improved the lives of most users years ago, instead of just the >cherished hacker elite; after all, it's not about helping people, >it's about rebellion and communism and programmers making as little >as street musicians).
And here I thought the dodo bird was extinct......
>May be too paranoid to give out any of their personal information, >etc...
Damn right. Give me *ONE* good reason why I should give any WWW site my personal information if I don't have to? You can't. Face it, unlike windows users most people who are using linux don't trust the WWW enough to willingly give out this kind of information.
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>Almost every story here is an anti-MS rant. Can we get back to News >for NERDS please????
If you don't like it, bugger off. No one is asking you to do your astroturfing here.
>still, it hurts to see it in writing, dosen't it :).
Not really because it gives Linux and the other OS's more freedom to evolve in their own directions instead of overly concerned with becoming "Windows Clones". You see if the judge had stated the opposite, Microsoft and it's defenders could point to this and claim that all that Linux and the other OS's had to do was become "more Windows-like" and everbody would live happily afterever.
> Wow, he's more out of touch than I thought!!!
Yep. Because it sounds like he has actually used windows....
>Yeah I especially enjoyed the judge ruling Linux to be a Fringe >Operating System -- not a real contender like Warp and MacOS. This >shows how out of touch the judge was.
Sorry to disapoint you Astroturfer,but this actually shows just how in touch he was. This pretty much nukes Microsoft "Linux Defense" in any future appeals by ruling that Linux has little or nothing to do with the case the DOJ brought against Microsoft.
>And neither is any site outside the US. If US regulations become >burdensome, we'll move the site. Much cheaper than continuously hiring >lawyers.
Sorry loser, won't work since the law as I understand it applies *TO THE OWNER OF THE WEB SITE*. If a US company hires you to design a WWW site for them, the law applies no matter where you may locate the site. It's pretty much the same thing as the laws making Online Gambling ilegal. In fact if a company does as you suggest, I really suspect that they will lose any case brought against them automatically, since they will in fact be pleading guilty to the charges being brought against them.
>Interesting to see RMS sound almost libertarian there at the end while calling ESR a Marxist!
Does anyone picture RMS and ESR sitting in an room reading the Slashdot comments their articles generate, and then start laughing themselves sick......
>So, when will Slashdot be blind accessible?
It already is asshole. Use lynx and you see (pardon the pun) what a well thought out and designed WWW site looks like.
>If they stop profiting, they stop making movies, and poof! no more >"Matrix"-quality films.
Which is a good thing since "The Matrix" is a really shitty movie. Let's be honest here, The Matrix is basically nothing but a bad rip-off of TRON and/or the Terminator movies. If you want to this kind of stuff done well/right, look at the Manga and Anime series from Japan.
> Hopefully they will *not* be GPL'd so other operating systems can >benefit by Aureal's decision.
Who says BSD and other OS's can't use the GPL code? What people like you can't do is change one or two lines and claim everything as their code when it's not. Quite frankly driver code such as this for soundcards should be GPL'ld just to prevent people like yourself from pulling this kind of stunt.
>First of all, I want to say that I think this AC's post really >deserves to be moderated up. It's well written and presents a >negative view of Redhat which moderators traditionally either ignore >or moderate down (even if factually correct). Which is a shame, >because that shows real bias. Moderators, might I implore you to >consider writing style and content first, your personal opinions >last?
Go astrotuff in a OS/2 or Amiga newsgroup....
>You mean "Paranoid Libertarian Fools"?
It does seem that the Microsoft trial has caused these guys to come crawling out of the MS woodpile, doesn't it?
>With DVD we now have the ability to have almost the same experience >at home as we do in the theater.
Total Bullshit. If you think watching a moive on a box with a glass screen can be compared to seeing a movie in a theater with your friends I really feel sorry for you. Seeing Stars Wars or 2001 on a 19-inch box *IS NOTHING LIKE SEEING IT IN A THEATER* and it *NEVER WILL BE*
>Well DVD came out in what, 1994....
And only started showing up in places like Kmart in late 1998 or so....
> Better yet, life would be wonderful if people could use the small set >of well known licenses ( GPL, BSD - without advertising, and Artistic > ) instead of trying to invent their own. But LWN have already said >that.
In case you haven't noticed, LWN is rapidly becoming the ZD of the linux world, with it's posting of half-researched articles and editorals.
>Well, just witness the problems with the whole KDE vs. Gnome >conflict. What's the problem, here? I think it essentially boils down >to the use of QT in KDE. I rarely see much discussion of the relative >merits of the respective GUIs, only philosophical discussions of the >two licenses.
Actually the problem is that RedHat was right about KDE/QT mess all along, but the RedHat-bashing element of the KDE crowd are scarced to death to admit it.
>Only in the limited, communistic definition of "free" that RMS and >his zealots use. Here's a clue for you, though I have little hope >it'll stick: True freedom necessarily includes the freedom to do >things that piss you off. Until you realize that, this flamewar will >never end.
You need the clue moron. There's no such thing as true freedom. Try shouting fire in a moive theather or Hijack onboard an airliner....
Of course you could always try studying American History.....
The real truth of the matter is more and more people are seeing through your little sham and realizing that you *ARE NOT* adovacating freedom at all, but rather a form of slave labor.
>I hope they succeed, because Gateway pulled out the carpet from under >my feet, the BASTARDS.
You're kidding right? This case if it ever makes it to a courtroom is going to be laughed out of court. Exactly who mislead who here? Nobody outside the rabid Amiga userbase seriously thought for one minute that Gateway was going to reissue/reintroduce the Amiga, especially in the US.
>Who wants your friggin blurb begging for money? Crap like that has no >place on the street, much less Linux. That's called "pandering" or >"panhandling" when done elsewhere.
And these guys are the first ones in line demanding that laws or ordinances be passed banning it in the areas where they live. Ironic isn't it?
>so you're basically saying that linux is only for the rich-either >large companies like IBM and Oracle or people who have enough time on >their hands to give away their work for free. Screw the small >developers huh?
Damn right. They've been screwing us for years. It's exactly the 10 dollar crap app that's turned a hell of a lot of people off on shareware. A lot of that crap is buggy as hell and the people who release it know it. They figure they can con people into "upgrading" to the "professional" versions of the software. In other words shareware has become pretty much a "bait and switch" operation and it's something most of the people using Linux/BSD want no part of anymore.
>Bite my ass. That kind of shareware would help bring Linux to the >forefront of the computing world.
Says who? Windows users? Spare us please.....
>According to StatMarket, which monitors over 28 million daily >visitors to over 83,000 independent Web sites,
In case you haven't realized,StatMarket monitors sites *DESIGNED FOR WINDOWS USERS*. Most Linux users would have little or no interest in these sites, therefore don't bother with visiting them. Does StatMarket monitor the sites who's focus is the Linux/BSD/Unix user? Of course not. StatMarket stats are a perfect real-world example of "Garbage In, Garbage Out".
>Why do so many Linux users bash everyone and everything under the sun >when they dont provide free source code, and yet when Quake and >Unreal are released no one seems to give a crap?
Basically because shareware (this IS want you are bitching about isn't it) has become nothing but a scam that tries to convince people that paying to be a beta tester of some software package (and that's all shareware amounts to these days) is something that's desirable. Shareware has a pretty bad reputation among people who run/use linux, so it's no big surprise that the concept is disliked. With software like QUAKE and UNREAL people know what they getting and can expect from the company that makes it. Notice that very few if any of the people who actually use linux are asking Microsoft to port IE to linux? Kinda blows a hole in your rant, doesn't it?
>(I know, I know, none of us could have slept knowing that MS used >Linux code to make a better Windows and the Linux community's work >improved the lives of most users years ago, instead of just the >cherished hacker elite; after all, it's not about helping people, >it's about rebellion and communism and programmers making as little >as street musicians).
And here I thought the dodo bird was extinct......
>Yeah, I really like Accelerated-X! I wouldn't use any other X Server.
Who really cares one way or the other?
>May be too paranoid to give out any of their personal information, >etc...
Damn right. Give me *ONE* good reason why I should give any WWW site my personal information if I don't have to? You can't. Face it, unlike windows users most people who are using linux don't trust the WWW enough to willingly give out this kind of information.