Paint program? Bleh. Personally I'm not excited about some Amiga paint program being ported to linux, because let's be honest here, the only people who thought Amiga apps were hot stuff were really the rabid Amiga users who never really used anything else on another platform.
Linux is the one making open source operating systems the next big > thing. It is the pioneer here. Actually Linux is both. It's like when the wagon trains carried people and their belongins westward in large numbers during the mid-late 1800's. Linux is pretty much playing the role of both the pioneer and the settler.
>What bothers me is that Debian, Red Hat and others use their package >management systems for their C libraries, base utilities and the >kernel. The things that sold me on FreeBSD were CVSup and >well-defined development branches.
The rather important point you're leaving out in all this is the CVSup appoarch isn't very workable unless you basically have a fast link to the internet. Otherwise the package management systems walk all over the CVSup approach. There's no contest here.
>Wonder how they figure that this is 'new'. Not like anyone hasn't >gone down to the open lab one morning and set up a DOS on each >machine before. I had to put a new rule on the wall in on of my labs >covering just this thing six months ago.
The PC Week Lab guys told them that it was new....
>I thought this idea got a bunch of coverage a couple months back >under the name "smurf attacks". Was that something different, or was >ZD just looking for filler today?
Yes and yes. What needs to understood when reading this ZD "discovery" is that ZD needs something *BADLY* to make themselves look like they actually know something about the subject after their recent "Hack Our Machines" farce. However, this particular article wasn't it......
One more thing you can count on...the only people who's going to touch this without using a 10-foot pole is the Brett Glass faction of the BSD crowd. I'd bet a *large* segment of the BSD world is going to be wary of this turkey from Microsoft Labs. (yes fans of the muppet show, the pun is intentional)
>Hey man, read the MainSoft site. They've already got this product out >Linux version is just a port to another OS. I don't think it is >anywhere near as unlikely as you make it out to be.
If it doesn't support what people who run linux use which is Gnome/KDE, this software is *useless*, not that it's all that really useful to begin with. Don't expect it to amount to anything much. It won't attract the Wine userbase, and the ones don't care about Windows at all won't even bother looking at it.
>Yes, of course he is, because he is a techie and he has a brain. But >it makes me thinks. When all of the smart people have moved to linux >and no one is left to fix the windows people's shit. what will >happen?
Exactly. The publishers of Half Life should now talk to their lawyers and then sue the hell out of Ziff-Davis. It's the only way that this kind of bullshit from ZD mags is going to come to an end if this story is really true.
>This used to be a decent tech news site, but lately it's become >nothing more than a "bash MS at all costs". This isn't news, who >gives a shit if MS sets up a booth like this?
Judging by the public response Microsoft got to their offer, *NOBODY*
>I'd like to point out that this was Slashdot's fault. The Gartner >group is very serious and reliable. If the links to the article were > published, instead of links to a third party commenting on the >article, it would have avoided all this confusion.
Hmmm....Prepping the Microsoft PR department's excuse (It's *NOT OUR FAULT*) why yet another astroturfing plot blew up in Mircosoft face again,eh?
>Why should VISA prohibit their merchant account holders from charging >money for gambling because its illegal in a couple of US states and >countries?
Because of the fact is that it is illegal in a couple of US states and countries. If VISA and other credit card companies want to avoid some serious legal problems of their own, they had better operate within the established laws of these places.
>The precident that this case sets can potentialy be very damaging to >the (still very young) ecomerce segment of our economy. What it says > is: It's not payed for till it's payed for. It's not sold until it's > sold. It's not a deal unless the check is in hand.
This pretty much has always been the case especially when buying something via mail-order. Why should ecomerce get cut a special deal?
>VISA can't regulate what customers do with their cards. So it should >be the customer who is at fault.
If there are laws making Online Gambling illegal from within the US, isn't VISA and other credit card companies in fact taking part in a criminal act by allowing their cards to be used to pay online gambling debt, therefore voiding the transaction?
>Why is this story posted on slashdot? Is it simply to provide people >with a forum to make snide remarks about Microsoft? Aren't there >enough legitimate opportunities to do that already?
No, it was posted so we could make snide remarks about people like yourself. Feel better for knowing?
My god, did you actually think people would fall for something as inherently stupid as the MS Attempt to Find Pirated Software?!?
Even the Script Kiddies who advertise their pirate sites in full view aren't this dumb.......
>It actually tends to make the people doing the debunking look rabid >and zealous. You can't even write a bad review of a linux distro >because you will have tons of zealots picking it apart. It's really >pretty damn sad.
You mean it's sad because you now have to look for a new line of work because you can't sell the bullshit you write? Are we supposed to take what Windows Users like yourself who can't format a floppy disk under DOS say seriously when it comes to Linux or anything else for that matter? Don't make us laugh at you....
>ah yes, I recall hearing that. Well, good for them to use an open >file format - as long as they dont 'embrace and extend'.
And what makes you think MS will actually use this file format? This is crap along the lines of Microsoft actually being interested in an open IM standard. Nobody really took them seriously about that and there's no reason to take them seriously about this, especially in light of Microsoft's "Linux Myths" WWW page.
>perhaps i am gullible, but did they realy do a "Star Trek Voyager" >and "X-Men" crossover? PLEASE, tell me i am gullible and stupid and >that it is not true...
It's not true. It was an X-Men/Star Trek:The Next Generation crossover. Picard and Storm had the hots for each over.....
>I already have the book, and finished it... It is a good addition to >the Star Wars series of books with a new enemy to contend with... the >Empire is hardly mentioned in the book..
Umm...Why should the Empire be mentioned? It's role in things have pretty much played out by the time this story takes place. It's pretty much a changing of the guard. Han and Leia's have pretty much grown up and are taking their places in the scheme of things. What I really like about this is that just like the B5 novels, these books are official canon. In other words, these books are the future of the Star Wars universe.
>I must admit to being surprised that the US is lagging behind - at >least we've beaten you guys to something!;)
Not really. There's just really isn't very much demand to see Star Dreck:The Yuppie Generation and it's spin-offs and other shows in Widescreen here in the US. Certainly not enough to cause people to want to go out and buy new TV sets.
>1) Can be done with aliases in bash, tcsh and zsh (and doubtless >maybe others?). ie: alias move mv, alias copy cp, alias delete rm >Totally things over...why aren't they done already? No windows user >is going to do this himself, and without it they will refuse to run the >os.
Maybe because we really really aren't conserned all that much about Windows users? The commands you mentioned work for us. Why change something that works for no real reason?
I understand this concept is hard for an Microsoft Astroturfer like yourself to understand, so don't strain your brain trying to grasp it.
>There are issues to be dealt with, and industry spokespeople from >magazines and publications provide excellent points, in roundabout >ways. Largely, however, the we must be thankful for the time that >industry critics provide in giving leverage against corporate >dominance of this system.
You're wrong. The real issue here is about control. Who has it and who doesn't. The "industry critics" you are refering to are now seeing/realizing that they have little or no influnce within the Linux arena. The recent PC Week Security Farce and the general response to it is an example of this. Not so long ago industry spokespeople from magazines and publications along with outfits like Gartner could do real damage to a computer platform or operating system. What they did to the Atari ST,Mac and Amiga computers along with the OS/2 and UNIX operating systems is a perfect example of this. But now with Linux and BSD (and lessor degree BEOS) it's not really working anymore. In fact "industry spokespeople" you are citing are for the most part being totally ignored. Do you really think the RedHat IPO would've turned out the way it did if people really were still hanging onto every word of these people? It looks like there's a shift occuring and the industry spokespeople don't like it. They don't like it one bit.
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Paint program? Bleh. Personally I'm not excited about some Amiga paint program being ported to linux, because let's be honest here, the only people who thought Amiga apps were hot stuff were really the rabid Amiga users who never really used anything else on another platform.
>Sigh. When will Slashdot newbies learn to write HTML for clickable >links? ;-)
Most likely never,since they have far better things to do than fuck with HTML or XML or whatever the new fad of the week happens to be....
Linux is the one making open source operating systems the next big > thing. It is the pioneer here.
Actually Linux is both. It's like when the wagon trains carried people and their belongins westward in large numbers during the mid-late 1800's. Linux is pretty much playing the role of both the pioneer and the settler.
>What bothers me is that Debian, Red Hat and others use their package >management systems for their C libraries, base utilities and the >kernel. The things that sold me on FreeBSD were CVSup and >well-defined development branches.
The rather important point you're leaving out in all this is the CVSup appoarch isn't very workable unless you basically have a fast link to the internet. Otherwise the package management systems walk all over the CVSup approach. There's no contest here.
>Wonder how they figure that this is 'new'. Not like anyone hasn't >gone down to the open lab one morning and set up a DOS on each >machine before. I had to put a new rule on the wall in on of my labs >covering just this thing six months ago.
The PC Week Lab guys told them that it was new....
>I thought this idea got a bunch of coverage a couple months back >under the name "smurf attacks". Was that something different, or was >ZD just looking for filler today?
Yes and yes. What needs to understood when reading this ZD "discovery" is that ZD needs something *BADLY* to make themselves look like they actually know something about the subject after their recent "Hack Our Machines" farce. However, this particular article wasn't it......
One more thing you can count on...the only people who's going to touch this without using a 10-foot pole is the Brett Glass faction of the BSD crowd. I'd bet a *large* segment of the BSD world is going to be wary of this turkey from Microsoft Labs. (yes fans of the muppet show, the pun is intentional)
>Hey man, read the MainSoft site. They've already got this product out >Linux version is just a port to another OS. I don't think it is >anywhere near as unlikely as you make it out to be.
If it doesn't support what people who run linux use which is Gnome/KDE, this software is *useless*, not that it's all that really useful to begin with. Don't expect it to amount to anything much. It won't attract the Wine userbase, and the ones don't care about Windows at all won't even bother looking at it.
>Yes, of course he is, because he is a techie and he has a brain. But >it makes me thinks. When all of the smart people have moved to linux >and no one is left to fix the windows people's shit. what will >happen?
Who cares?
> but still, that's not the point - they lied.
Exactly. The publishers of Half Life should now talk to their lawyers and then sue the hell out of Ziff-Davis. It's the only way that this kind of bullshit from ZD mags is going to come to an end if this story is really true.
>This used to be a decent tech news site, but lately it's become >nothing more than a "bash MS at all costs". This isn't news, who >gives a shit if MS sets up a booth like this?
Judging by the public response Microsoft got to their offer, *NOBODY*
>I'd like to point out that this was Slashdot's fault. The Gartner >group is very serious and reliable. If the links to the article were > published, instead of links to a third party commenting on the >article, it would have avoided all this confusion.
Hmmm....Prepping the Microsoft PR department's excuse (It's *NOT OUR FAULT*) why yet another astroturfing plot blew up in Mircosoft face again,eh?
>How is Visa to know what the card is being used for? All they can >possibly know is what merchant is charging the card and for how much
If the the charge to the card is coming from an Online Gambling site, Visa has a pretty good idea what's going on.
>Why should VISA prohibit their merchant account holders from charging >money for gambling because its illegal in a couple of US states and >countries?
Because of the fact is that it is illegal in a couple of US states and countries. If VISA and other credit card companies want to avoid some serious legal problems of their own, they had better operate within the established laws of these places.
>The precident that this case sets can potentialy be very damaging to >the (still very young) ecomerce segment of our economy. What it says > is: It's not payed for till it's payed for. It's not sold until it's > sold. It's not a deal unless the check is in hand.
This pretty much has always been the case especially when buying something via mail-order. Why should ecomerce get cut a special deal?
>VISA can't regulate what customers do with their cards. So it should >be the customer who is at fault.
If there are laws making Online Gambling illegal from within the US, isn't VISA and other credit card companies in fact taking part in a criminal act by allowing their cards to be used to pay online gambling debt, therefore voiding the transaction?
>Why is this story posted on slashdot? Is it simply to provide people >with a forum to make snide remarks about Microsoft? Aren't there >enough legitimate opportunities to do that already?
No, it was posted so we could make snide remarks about people like yourself. Feel better for knowing?
My god, did you actually think people would fall for something as inherently stupid as the MS Attempt to Find Pirated Software?!?
Even the Script Kiddies who advertise their pirate sites in full view aren't this dumb.......
>It actually tends to make the people doing the debunking look rabid >and zealous. You can't even write a bad review of a linux distro >because you will have tons of zealots picking it apart. It's really >pretty damn sad.
You mean it's sad because you now have to look for a new line of work because you can't sell the bullshit you write? Are we supposed to take what Windows Users like yourself who can't format a floppy disk under DOS say seriously when it comes to Linux or anything else for that matter? Don't make us laugh at you....
>ah yes, I recall hearing that. Well, good for them to use an open >file format - as long as they dont 'embrace and extend'.
And what makes you think MS will actually use this file format? This is crap along the lines of Microsoft actually being interested in an open IM standard. Nobody really took them seriously about that and there's no reason to take them seriously about this, especially in light of Microsoft's "Linux Myths" WWW page.
>perhaps i am gullible, but did they realy do a "Star Trek Voyager" >and "X-Men" crossover? PLEASE, tell me i am gullible and stupid and >that it is not true...
It's not true. It was an X-Men/Star Trek:The Next Generation crossover. Picard and Storm had the hots for each over.....
>I already have the book, and finished it... It is a good addition to >the Star Wars series of books with a new enemy to contend with... the >Empire is hardly mentioned in the book..
Umm...Why should the Empire be mentioned? It's role in things have pretty much played out by the time this story takes place. It's pretty much a changing of the guard. Han and Leia's have pretty much grown up and are taking their places in the scheme of things. What I really like about this is that just like the B5 novels, these books are official canon. In other words, these books are the future of the Star Wars universe.
>I must admit to being surprised that the US is lagging behind - at >least we've beaten you guys to something! ;)
Not really. There's just really isn't very much demand to see Star Dreck:The Yuppie Generation and it's spin-offs and other shows in Widescreen here in the US. Certainly not enough to cause people to want to go out and buy new TV sets.
>my problem is I'm always typing 'dir' when in linux, and 'ls' in DOS..
Well since I have a "ls" clone installed under DOS, it doesn't matter....
>1) Can be done with aliases in bash, tcsh and zsh (and doubtless >maybe others?). ie: alias move mv, alias copy cp, alias delete rm >Totally things over...why aren't they done already? No windows user >is going to do this himself, and without it they will refuse to run the >os.
Maybe because we really really aren't conserned all that much about Windows users? The commands you mentioned work for us. Why change something that works for no real reason?
I understand this concept is hard for an Microsoft Astroturfer like yourself to understand, so don't strain your brain trying to grasp it.
>There are issues to be dealt with, and industry spokespeople from >magazines and publications provide excellent points, in roundabout >ways. Largely, however, the we must be thankful for the time that >industry critics provide in giving leverage against corporate >dominance of this system.
You're wrong. The real issue here is about control. Who has it and who doesn't. The "industry critics" you are refering to are now seeing/realizing that they have little or no influnce within the Linux arena. The recent PC Week Security Farce and the general response to it is an example of this. Not so long ago industry spokespeople from magazines and publications along with outfits like Gartner could do real damage to a computer platform or operating system. What they did to the Atari ST,Mac and Amiga computers along with the OS/2 and UNIX operating systems is a perfect example of this. But now with Linux and BSD (and lessor degree BEOS) it's not really working anymore. In fact "industry spokespeople" you are citing are for the most part being totally ignored. Do you really think the RedHat IPO would've turned out the way it did if people really were still hanging onto every word of these people? It looks like there's a shift occuring and the industry spokespeople don't like it. They don't like it one bit.