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Major Star Wars Character To Die in Next Books
Brandon Phillips wrote to us about a recent USAToday story concerning the next set of Lucas-approved post-TRJ books. R.A Salvatore is writing the new books (great author) and one of the major characters dies. Warning: by clicking through you will know who dies. Or just buy the book.
got any Amazon links? forget cryptonomicon, or that new Iduru sequel from william gibson... I *have* to read that book...
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I hope that everyone who reads this knows, that if you continue reading, you will know who died. So if you don't want to know, don't read any farther.
My life is over. I have no point of living! Why..? Why did it have to be ________? Take me instead! and Why does it cost $15 + shipping at amazon?
david
The Dragonlance movie that is. Death knights are cool and kender are what hobbits should have been (taunting little thieves)
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How in the world, on a thread like this, can anything be labeled "flamebait". If anything, the post was damn funny. What moderator has such a man-crush on on Skywalker that he's willing to burn a point on this?
Did you notice that Leia came out of the Ewok's apartment wearing her nightgown? What had been going on in there, anyway?
I think the Skywalkers are fond of intermingling the blood. Indeed, I suspect that Chewie was a half-brother to Luke and Leia -- he got the fur from an Ewok and the height from his father, Darth.
And then there's the machines. Upon disassembly, it shows that Darth himself was half machine. Thus his mother must have mated with droids. No wonder Annikin didn't have a father. (Nod, nod, wink, wink. It's always the same when there's a droid in the family, isn't it!) So is C3P0 actually Annakin's half brother, posing as his creation to save appearences for the family?
Ah, indeed! Much will be revealed in episodes 2 and 3.
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It's October 6th. Where's W2K? Over the horizon again, eh?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
> Or perhaps he should be poached for his pelt, and the whole Jedi crew can go on an anti-fur crusade...
No -- anti-fur crusaders killed him, mistakenly thinking he was a human dressed in Wookie fur.
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It's October 6th. Where's W2K? Over the horizon again, eh?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
All of the Timothy Zahn books have been really good. Especially his latest "duology", the second part of which came out a month ago.
I usually ignore the glut of lower-quality SW books by other authors, but I was so psyched after reading Zahn's book that I picked up Salvatore's new one. Man, was it dissappointing... It felt like he had a laundry list of things that he was supposed to do (get Luke and Mara married, kill Chewie, introduce the new nemesis, create a love interest for Jacen,) and he just stitched those elements together without actually putting any story around them.
MSK
It seems like all the books released up to and including the Zahn series were decent. When the Jedi Twins and the ships that flew *through* a star destroyer started to appear things were obviously spiralling into stupidity. Everyone I knew quit reading anything with Star Wars on the cover when this happened.
I saw the first Star Wars (Star Wars, The First Fscking Episode, before the grand renumbering) in 1977
Errrr, watch it again, about 15 seconds into the movie you see the words, Episode IV, go by...
The best Star Wars books I have read have been by Timothy Zahn. His Heir to the Empire trilogy reignited the whole Star Wars book "scene," if you will, back in 1991. They were always a level above the typical Star Wars book. In end, it was "characters get in sticky sitation, characters narrowly escape." But aren't most books like that anyway? His stories were always deep, quite character developed, and multi-threaded. With all the individuals threads that never seem to have anything in common, coming explosively together in the end. I was really impressed by the Heir trilogy. This month I picked up Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future. Wow, was I surprised. They even outdid his first trilogy, even though it was only two books. I strongly recommend (I bet I spelt that wrong.) that anyone who likes good Star Wars books pick up the Heir trilogy, which consists of: Heir to the Empire The Last Command Dark Force Rising and his two new ones: Specter of the Past Vision of the Future Zahn has always proved himself worthy as a good Star Wars writer, I've never been disappointed. I'll also suggest you read any of the X-Wing series books, the first few are pretty good, Micheal A. Stackpole's that deal with Isard. But once Aaron Allston starts writing the next few, they get damn good. I was really impressed. To my recollection, Allston's books were: Wraith Squadron, #5 Solo Command, #6 Iron Fist, #7 Starfighters of Adumar, #9 Check it out. I think you'll like them.
kaniff -- Ralph Hart Jr
I think cut in half by a Sith is right. That way GL can license each half as a separate action figure, and rake in more money than otherwise.
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It's October 6th. Where's W2K? Over the horizon again, eh?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
trilogy reignited the whole Star Wars book "scene," if you will, back in 1991. They
were always a level above the typical Star Wars book. In end, it was "characters get in
sticky sitation, characters narrowly escape." But aren't most books like that anyway? His
stories were always deep, quite character developed, and multi-threaded. With all the
individuals threads that never seem to have anything in common, coming explosively together in
the end. I was really impressed by the Heir trilogy. This month I picked up
Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future. Wow, was I surprised. They even
outdid his first trilogy, even though it was only two books.
I strongly recommend (I bet I spelt that wrong.) that anyone who likes good Star Wars books pick up
:)
the Heir trilogy, which consists of:
Heir to the Empire
The Last Command
Dark Force Rising
and his two new ones:
Specter of the Past
Vision of the Future
Zahn has always proved himself worthy as a good Star Wars writer, I've never been disappointed.
I'll also suggest you read any of the X-Wing series books, the first few are pretty good,
Micheal A. Stackpole's that deal with Isard. But once Aaron Allston starts writing the next
few, they get damn good. I was really impressed.
To my recollection, Allston's books were:
Wraith Squadron, #5
Solo Command, #6
Iron Fist, #7
Starfighters of Adumar, #9
Check it out. I think you'll like them.
Sorry for the double post. I hit Submit instead of Preview before I formatted it. My bad
kaniff -- Ralph Hart Jr
Lucas has already outlined the plot to episodes 7,8 and 9. When they licence out the rights to author new books, they also make sure that what is written has nothing to do with the future movies, in case they ever do get made.
NOOOOO, you CANT kill chewie!! kILL LUKE INSTEAD!!!!!!!!! Chewie is IMMORTAL!!! You CANT kill chewie... nooooioooooooooooooo,.............
what about william gibson, he just relised a new book. Its sort of like a sequal to Iduro and some other book he wrote. I've read Iduro and it was great.
and then there's Neil Stephonson's Cryptonomicon
don't know if that fits under you're definition of 'sci-fi' though...
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Go to the sci-fi section of any bookstore and find me an *original* *well-written* *non-preaching* *non-formula* *untrite* piece of contemporary science fiction. Written in the past year.
Let's see:
"Plan B" Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
"Earthweb" Marc Stiegler
"1632" Eric Flint
"The Fata Morgana" Leo Frankoski
"A Boy and His Tank" Leo Frankoski
They're there, they're just not as common as they used to be.
Lynx users would never see the spoiler, and poeople over modems would be verypissed
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>I already have the book, and finished it... It is a good addition to >the Star Wars series of books with a new enemy to contend with... the >Empire is hardly mentioned in the book..
Umm...Why should the Empire be mentioned? It's role in things have pretty much played out by the time this story takes place. It's pretty much a changing of the guard. Han and Leia's have pretty much grown up and are taking their places in the scheme of things. What I really like about this is that just like the B5 novels, these books are official canon. In other words, these books are the future of the Star Wars universe.
Thymoty Zahn's are very good (either the Thrawn trilogy or the Hand of Thrawn trilogy though to fully appreciate the second you'd better have read one of the sh*tty books that were written in between...)
PS: I'm not saying that *all* others are bad, but those I read were awful enough to prevent me from trying the others...
Chewbacca's dead? About time. What the hell was a wookie anyway? A big hairy thing that had so little control over his appetites that he would ill-advisedly clutch at any hanging piece of rotting carcass, no matter what the surrounding dangers or likelihood that it was bait for a trap? Come on guys. The Ewoks(!) got the better of Chewbacca with nothing more than bloody meat and a net. Seems like wookies are the stupidest things walking.
And we're supposed to believe that this digusting, stinky beast, that can do little more than open its mouth and let loose a primal yawp of sorts -- even though seemingly every other race in the Star Wars milieu has acquired the capability of advanced communications and technology -- has left its forested home to become a navigator/co-pilot on a faster-than-light smuggling ship? Suuuure.
And there's that whole scene with C3PO and Chewie playing the quasi-chess game in Star Wars, where C3PO is warned that wookies pull the arms out of their opponents if that particular wookie is angered. Screw wookies, screw their arrogance, screw their propensity to physical violence, screw their stupidity and their inability to do anything other than yawn loudly, and screw Chewbacca. I'm glad he's dead. I hope he suffers first. I hope it's because he can't control his filthy self and reaches for a rotting piece of meat hanging from a trap on an alien world while the rest of them is conducting a highly secret, crucial mission.
Wookies suck.
This is just another example of "The Man" keeping the wookie down. Do the annoying, lilly-white non-furry people get it? No, they run around screwing each other. But what happens to the wookie....Thats right...killed off in a vague attempt to save a dying series....
Damn the Man!!!!!Save the wookie!!!!
Warning:Spoiler I agree dealing with the loss of one of the greatest heroes of the Star Wars universe will be hard on fans. But everyone dies. Only the force users and droids really have potential for any sort of eternal life. Chewbacca has to die eventually. All the characters do. If some don't the whole series will lose credibility. The article says that Chewbacca dies bravely, which is the way the main cast should go. Dying a warriors death, helping to save the galaxy even with their death. If you whine it shows how shallow your understanding of what a hero is. Heroes are not gods. They are men and women, like any of us, who through a combination of good and bad luck, run into a situation where only they can save the day. Their personal will overcomes the fear, and they carry on to victory. They don't always come back, because, they are still mortal. But they never give up. Go read some stories about Medal of Honr winners, and other great war heroes like LtGen Lewis B. Puller USMC and see what really makes a hero. It isn't immortality, which some of the whining comments seem to think.
One thing I've seen on another website is that they didn't "hide" the text, rather they made it the same color as the background -- this way you had to highlight the text to read it.
I thought it was a simple, clever solution to displaying spoiler information.
Please, please meesa, let it be Jar Jar.
this is a post RTJ book
All I gotta say is if when I click this link, I don't see that Jar Jar has died, I'm writing SW:JJD (SW: Jar Jar Dies) and releasing it on videocassette for $9.95 plus s&h.
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BASTARDS!!!!!!
Why couldn't it have been Luke? He whines more than a Japanese motorcycle with a blower.
Doh
Its karma, Kramer.
half the size? where the hell did you find that? I don't buy it
That's actually *in* the movie!! They mention that the new one is 2x the size.
Just for your info
www.jackasscritics.com
There is one more secret to be revealed... Leia is actually Luke's brother.
Wow, I hope they don't do something really gross like cause him to gag on a hairball or be lit up like a match by some small random spark...
Back in 1977, "Episode IV" was not in the opening credits. "The Empire Strikes Back" did have "Episode V" in it when it came out back in 1980.
This is pretty f*cked up right here.
Oh well. The books pretty much sucked rocks anyhow. 99% of all sci-fi books suck anymore. They're like bad romance novels or something, coming out about twice a week. At least KJ Anderson's not writing it.
I completely gave up hope on the validity or integrity of any contemporary sci-fi novel when I saw a 'Star Trek: Voyager' and 'X-Men' crossover novel.
I couldn't stop laughing.
Blech. Signatures.
;)
Large print giveth, and the small print taketh away
Y not off the Ewoks too?
You think they survived having the Death Star blown up over the planet while it was in low orbit? They're toast, and Endor is a desolate, ash covered radioactive hell hole, or at least it should be.
Unless, just maybe, it was a Potemkin Death Star, built to lure Skywalker, built out of tin foil and sticks. Yeah, we can rationalize that.
George
I predict large fuzzy giggling bunnies from outer space will dominate the next movie
As annoying as large furry creatures can be, I am secretly hoping that some Giant Space Hamsters show up in the D&D movie. Alas, I may have to wait for a Dragonlance movie if one ever materializes....
>perhaps i am gullible, but did they realy do a "Star Trek Voyager" >and "X-Men" crossover? PLEASE, tell me i am gullible and stupid and >that it is not true...
It's not true. It was an X-Men/Star Trek:The Next Generation crossover. Picard and Storm had the hots for each over.....
I don't know about you guys, but star wars has played itself out in my book.
A new hope was OK. Empire Strikes back was good. Return of the Jedi kinda sucked. Episode 1 was horrible. Episode II will be worse b/c Jar Jar and his gungan friends will be in it. Episode III hopefully won't come to existence.
I'm all burnt out on starwars. Mabye they should spread out the release dates a little more so all the people who were dissapointed with the last installment will have forgotten about it totally. That is how they caught people like my father. He was real excited about Episode I because he rememebered all the good things about starwars, and when he walked out he felt about as ripped off as he did when he walked out of Return of the Jedi.
Note to Lucas: Teach your kids how to make crummy movies so they can mooch off the pleasant memories of days past by making new starwars movies.
Really? Then explain...
Capt. Kirk, He's been killed and resurected three times - at least - in the novels.
James Bond
Dr. Who
Dick Tracy
Dagwood Bumstead
et cetera
And if you respond with, "Yeah, but thoses are fictional characters!" then we will all have to hunt you down and give you to Jar Jar to work his unspeakable will upon.
If you have seen all the starwars movies than you know who is going to die. DUH! The only question is that of timing, is it in II or III, and this just confirms that it must be in II.
There is one nano-leap you need to make to figure it out [ that wasn't given away in any movie, but is SOOOO obvious to anyone that payed attention to episode I]
P.S. I wish it was Jar-Jar, but it isn't.
I think it is about time one of the major characters dies. I quit reading the books a long time ago because it was simply:
Our characters get into a sticky bind.
Our characters narrowly escape.
That gets really really boring after a while.
Yeah, A. D. Foster's "Splinter of (in?) the Mind's Eye"
Came out around the time of Empire Strikes Back -- 1980 or so.
Capt. Kirk, He's been killed and resurected three times - at least - in the novels.
Paramount(I think they own Star Trek) has officially stated that the novels are not canonical. So, as far as the official Star Trek storyline goes, Kirk is dead. Period. Those books were just ego trips for Shatner.
James Bond
Without Bond, the series would end. Star Wars, however, does not revolve entirely around specific characters, but the struggle for freedom.
Dr. Who
His species is capable of coming back from death, and there is a limit to how many times they can. 11 I think. If you recall he never returned exactly the same.
Dick Tracy
See response for Bond.
Dagwood Bumstead
See response for Bond.
oh yeah -- Asimov's Foundation series is one hell of a read. One of the best sci-fi series's I've read in my life.
If your a Sci-Fi Fan, you MUST read these series:
o 2001 Series (Clarke) o Foundation Series (Asimov) o Robot Series (Asimov) o Lord of the Rings Series (Asimov)
Sorry. Darth Maul made me do it....
its only a book! its not a film is it? maybe in 100 years time when the virtual image of george lucas makes this star wars film, then my virtual image of myself will think - what a shame!
KdL
uh, to convert matter to energy, you need an atomic reaction. Particles falling into the atmosphere will not create such a reaction. And if the death star did fall into the atmosphere, the sheer act of burning it would not make it less massive. Sure the matter would change form chemically, but it would still be the same amount of matter. It's difficult to say what the global impact of this matter might be, but it's conceivable that it would create enough of a blanket to cause a little global cooling (not warming).
Thomas Reasoner
A thing is justified by the "thing in itself".
Okay, everyone get of Lucas,s case! How much did YOUR last sci-fi movie make? If you don't like it, then do better.
Stephen R. Donaldson's the GAP cycle is freakin' good SF. Bleak SF, but that's just Donaldson's style.
It is a bit formulaic in that it is based upon Norse legend in its story structure, but, still very entertaining.
-Stu
Episode III hopefully won't come to existence.
I hope you're not right, because according to Lucas, Ep. III will be the fall of Annakin and the rise of Darth Vader.
That fact alone will keep me interested until I see the damn thing in 2021 or whenever it comes out.
Personally, I think Lucas should step aside as director for 2 and 3 and get someone suitable for each style of story.
I drool at the thought of Episode 3 directed by David Fincher.
Ooh.... there's a nice dark story for ya!
PPPoE
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
I think I broke my wookiee
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Someone needs to take the reigns of Star Wars away from Lucas. He has obviously lost whatever artistic talent he once had. I would suggest that someone clone the Star Wars universe (the original trilogy) as near as possible, and then release some good movies. You would make billions. The piles of hated and discarded Jar Jar crap at Walmart certainly is helping Lucas make any more money. Is Pepsi going to get a refund from the couple billion that paid for TPM?
I enjoyed the Rogue Squadron Books by Michael A Stackpole, but I'm a pretty big fan of his...
Let me guess, you stood in line for three months and lost your job over movie tickets, didn't you?
As long as it's a really gruesome death.
I don't care about any of the other characters in Star Wars, the Next Degeneration. You can even kill off that bald captain guy, Luke Pickard. Lay off the hot sexy female security lady. Oh wait, they killed her anyway after the first year of TNG because she was a strong female character and wilted too many viewer's d*cks.
I saw the first Star Wars (Star Wars, The First Fscking Episode, before the grand renumbering) in 1977 and haven't felt the need to go back again. Maybe I'll go see Part 4 (renumbered as "Episode One" by that director, what's-his-name) someday, although I donwloaded all the trailers and saw enough that way (the SouthPark parody was the best version, BTW)
Kill off E.T. if that's necessary.
Lay off Scotty, he's nerd-material.
except a sausage - which has two.
You say you want a revolution?
I have heard rumors that Episode 7 will have strong WCW/NWO tie-ins, and that Episode 8 will be mostly hard core porn. (When 900 years old you become, get laid you will not, mmm!) And it gets worse from there. I have heard that Episode 9 will be directed by Joel Schumaker, the same guy who ruined the last Batman movies. But I have also heard rumors that Episode's 7-9 will be a series of Fox reality shows. (The Galaxies Stupidest Jedi, When Ewoks Attack, and Psychic Inter-racial Gay Droids- A Jerry Springer Special) If any one has any information about the possible truth's of these rumors, please let me know.
I think a spoiler moderation would be quite hard to implement, because it shouldn't really add or subtract points from a message. A spoiler isn't necessarily good or bad.
Perhaps there could be a "show spoilers" and "hide spoilers" option in your preferences, and some way to flag messages as being spoilers. Whether the original poster would do this, or moderators, i'm not sure.
On the other hand, it could just introduce unnecessary complication into what is on the whole, an excellent message system.
hummer
I hate star wars. I am a geek. I hack kernels (not just Linux). I DON't PlaY D and D.
I DO WANT JAR JAR TO DIE
Everyone knows that JJB needs to die as a result of a Bizarre Flowbee Accident(tm). Nothing else is fitting.
The "Heir to the Empire" series by Roger Zelazny, was quite good. Great villains, good usage of the established characters, and a bit more backgroud from the "null period" of pre-episode 4 that Lucas has staked out for himself... Several of the new "Rogue Sqaudron" books, about Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron, were written by Aaron Allston, one of my favorite authors.
Tolkein wrote Lord of the Rings.
He won't kill off one of the humans... oh, no, let's sacrifice the Wookie.
Lucas' motives for killing a character will not make the story better or worse. It's entertainment, for god's sake! Take it at face value.
You clearly don't enjoy many movies. I (for one) am far more interested in a strong storyline combined with quality cinematography and talent than how much the movie costs and whom it caters to.
r
P.S. It's funny how long, antagonistic articles are better at eliciting karma, isn't it?
I liked the movie, but felt that the book didn't particularly add anything to it.
There were a grand total of two lines that I thought were different enough to be worthwhile;
otherwise it was a flat rewrite of the movie, with no life or merit of its own.
If you want Star Wars books worth reading, pick up anything by Timothy Zahn. And if you want
non-SW books worth reading, read Zahn's Conqueror's Trilogy.
A little hard to find, but worth it.
KdL
Wookies can go back to Endor as far as I'm concerned.
Bwwaaaaaaawwwwwaaaaaawaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Linux is only free if your time has no value. Windows is only free if you threaten to use Linux.
Um, isn't this the one where Luke and Leia get hot and heavy together?
Yikes!
I'm a big fan of R.A.'s other books.. in fact the only reason I havn't started Vector Prime is because I'm in the middle of re-reading some of his earlier works. I wouldn't fret too much over him killing off one of the major characters. He's well known for killing off his own major characters and then bringing them back in the next book, or the next series.
I really don't see what the big deal is here. Is he really a major character? He didn't get much screen time, and didn't do anything spectacular that I can remember. Hell, I'd be more upset if it was Lando.
Here is the book and Barnes and Noble. Suprised amazon doesn't have it.
Yeah, look at what a multi-million dollar flop that was The Phantom Menace. It only made $425M domestically!
In an interview this summer (posted at http://www.theforce.net) he said the following:
BN: Will you be influenced by the reaction to this film critically and publicly when you devise the next one?
GL: Probably not too much. The story is already done and I want to adhere to the story. The critics I stopped listening to a long time ago and they will hate the next two just as much as they hate the last four.
Yep, Lucas caters to the whims of the people, doesn't he?
I mean there's decent pop entertainment, I can understand that. But SW is just unbelieveably worthless shit.
I've heard ep 7,8,9 will be after the novels. Probably Han and Leia's kids being jedi
Did Gibson put out a sequel to Idoru already?
Link?
Joseph Elwell.
Furthermore, Lucas has deifinitively stated that he will never make those three movies. They were part of his original vision when he was a much younger man, but he now has no desire to do them. The reason he started making episodes 1, 2, and 3 was his lasting disappointment with his inability to bring his dream for 4, 5, and 6 onto the screen the way he wanted to. Hence, the Special Editions and then a new trilogy with all the cool aliens that he always wanted but couldn't create, because the technology wasn't there.
Also note that Lucas has said that he will never let anyone else make episodes 7, 8, and 9, either.
Lucas has presumably set up general guidelines for the direction he wants the SW universe to go, but the majority of the work Lucasfilm does with the authors is make sure they don't contradict each other. They do a pretty good job, too.
KdL
Han [singing to Limp Bizkit]: 'I did it all for the wookie. The wookie. I paid off his bookie, so stick it up your ..."
[ducking] Sorry, couldn't help myself. I do love the SW series, and while it's sad that a loved character had to die, it's way overdue.
Ender
Nothing to see here
Better yet, Chewie could be mistaken for a colony of tribbles and accidentally blown away.
I can see it now, some hooded jedi, two curved lightsabers, mowing through a group of orcs...er, stormtroopers. Just kidding.
As you said, he's a great sci-fi/fantasy author. Nice guy, too...we see him around out in the sticks where I live. I hope he doesn't get too much flak from rabid fans over a decision that wasn't his. If you want to read a good primer for his work, his early novel The Crystal Shard is one of his most entertaining.
Jason
-jpowers
Dr. Who
His species is capable of coming back from death, and there is a limit to how many times they can. 11 I think. If you recall he never returned exactly the same.
Random Facts about Timelords
1.They can return from the dead 13 times, however even if they do not get killed after a certain amount of time they change and use up 1 of those times.
2. They have 2 Hearts.
3. Dr Who is actually a Renegade Timelord who stops the other Timelords as well as 'The Master' from screwing around in everyones business.
4. There was a Dr. Who movie that was surprisingly good, but I have yet to be able to find it on VHS.
Anyone who knows of a good Dr. Who site point me to it.
Kintanon
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that all of my favorite sci-fi authors from my childhood (with the exception of JRR Tolkein, but he's dead) writing books for the dark side ala Lucas?!?!
I loved Terry Brooks's series of Shannara, and I still have my collection of R.A. Salvatore's Drizzt DO'urden and Canticle's series. Why are they all selling out? Is the publishing business that depressed that they have to all latch onto one of the most poorly written movies to make a buck these days?
I'm sure the newest star wars rejeuventated Terry Brooks's book sales, and I'm sure this will have the same effect on RA Salvatore, but isn't that kind of sad? Do parents show their kids the jobs of reading books like JRR Tolkein's Hobbit and Lord of the Rings? It's a sad day when the fantasy world sells out.
"One ring to rule them, one ring to find them. One ring to bring them all together and in the darkness bind them."
Luke had nothing to do with it. He played out a private drama while the actual crucial events took place.
The two folks mostly directly responsible for the destruction of the Death Star and the defeat of the empire: Lando and Chewie.
There are still a couple places where I'm right, though.
Remember what the second DS looked like over Endor? It wasn't nearly finished. Sure, the core systems were in, and the thing was "operational" by the end, but huge pieces of it were either completely missing or little more than skeleton frameworks. Compared to the fully completed, albeit somewhat smaller (half the size? where the hell did you find that? I don't buy it) first DS, this thing was a lightweight.
The DS didn't burn to pieces on entry (can't be re-entry; it was never under an atmosphere). It was already in really fine pieces. So yes, I say that they converted straight to energy. I already considered the problem this creates for the planet, but ecosystems are fairly resilient things. I call it a little global warming, maybe not even enough to notice.
KdL
I wish i was R2 so i could get chicks!
You do realize that R2 doesn't have a penis, right? What would be the point?
Ok, as far as I can tell, Chewbacca was chosen because he's the least human character around. It's pretty offensive, on the level of killing the black sidekick so Our (White) Hero can get revenge or something. If you want an interesting story, kill Han Solo and see how Chewbacca deals with it. We know what humans are like. Half the fun is in creating the alien.
I repeat, its not real.
Once again, its not real. Its a not so interesting fantasy universe.
I have thoroughly enjoyed many of his books without requiring the assistance of marijuana, though it couldnt hurt. I think Salvatore is a fine author.
Juln
He is a great author, and I am pleased to see him granted this oppurtunity. That would have been great, Drizzt movies!
Juln
this one or this one?
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
Forgive my ignorance but which books are "official" books or does all books have to be approved by Lucas?
Is it true that when R2-D2 dies it is reincarnated as a kitchen trash can? Or is that what it's reincarnated from?
I get so cornfused in these Star Trek threads.
> It's not true. It was an X-Men/Star Trek:The
> Next Generation crossover. Picard and Storm
> had the hots for each over.....
I actually read that (I got the feeling there was more than one). I found it while looking for new Star Trek books for a friend of mine.
I figured putting X-Men in a Trek book has GOT to be funny.
It was a pretty decent X-Men story, too bad about the whole Star Trek universe getting in the way (disclaimer: I like Trek)
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b) There's no particular reason to think that the explosion released a significant amount of radiation.
c) On a sheer mass scale, the Death Star wasn't nearly big enough to cover Endor in ash even if it had blown inside the atmosphere. It massed maybe half what the first one did, if it was lucky. Besides which, the thing broke into small enough pieces that it would have all burned up on entry into the atmosphere.
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Uhh... considering that this book had to have been written *before* TPM came out and people registered their disappointment, I doubt it was a reaction to that.
I am curious as to how much involvement Lucas has in these books. Although, it does sound like the author was handed a plot... perhaps The Man does at least plot these suckers out.
I've never been really interested in the books. After looking at the official Star Wars timeline at the Official Star Wars web site, I see that in the books set after episode 6, the emperor comes back a bunch of times as a clone. Oh please. We've killed him off once, isn't that enough?
And from what this story said, it looks like now that Luke &co. kicked the emperor's butt a bunch of times, they now have to rumble with extra-galatic baddies. Reminds me of Star Trek (the Dominion) and the Wing Commander games. We've wiped out the bad guys... so here comes some badder ones.
Sometimes, you should realize when you come to the end of the story, and simply stop telling it.
Second: why is it a big deal that a main character dies? They're, like, living in a dangerous universe, you know. They're heroes and bandits, and if anything, the death toll should be higher, not lower.
That it becomes a major news event when a character bites the bullet just goes to show that the series has turned into a narcissic exercise where the main characters face dangers, but never truly in real danger.
And that's fine, really... It works for Batman, and it works for every Star Trek crewman as long as he doesn't wear a red shirt.
However:
I wish it wasn't such a big deal. Even when the publisher/producer comes around and decides to off someone, it has to be a big deal, well-publicised in advance. Just think of the death of Superman... Anyone else was fed up with the media hype?
Babylon 5 came somewhat close to doing this right. A few characters died, even though main characters rarely did. (No, Z'ha'Dum doesn't count.) They were still lovable secondary characters and seeing them die set you on the edge of your seat, made the story more tangible and real. I wish I could read one Star Wars novel when I could turn a page and find out Han Solo has just died a horrible death. That'd make me jump and yelp in surprise. It'd hook me to the books forever.
But no. Notice how they all have to die heroic deaths? It's as if they're sorry for killing a character so they have to be nice about it. Even heroes die in freak accidents, you know. I'd love to see R2 try to fix the Millennium Falcon's toilets and fry a circuit. Well, alright, maybe that's just cruel. I'd love to believe in the possibility of it, though.
Final point: doesn't the "menace from outside the Galaxy" sound lame? It sounds like Wing Commander: Prophecy to me: a lame way to inject new energy in a story that has extended beyond its natural and satisfactory ending.
For me, Star Wars begins with Leia's ship trying to outrun a Star Destroyer, and ends with the ghosts of Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan looking at everyone getting drunk out of their minds.
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he could be taken hostage by a group of crazed Amazon women from the moon and used as a Lab test animal for new types of mascara and blush.. Or Jab could contract Bulba fat to kill him for Wookie Soup ;)
Look, Chewie was one of my favorite characters. I grew up on Star Wars. I loved Episode one. Why did I like it? Purely for nostolgic reasons. If it bore any other name it would be pure drivel. I don't know what kind of crack George Lucas is smoking, maybe one of his kids (probably the source of Jar Jar) gets nightmares from Chewie's roar. I don't know. All I do know is that George Lucas is a god damned sell out bastard. Lando should have died, even Luke, but nut Chewie. I can only hope Lucas comes up with some lame ass cheesy shit to reincarnate him, as we all know he is gonna do for Darth Maul, the only redeeming factor of Episode One that was shot to hell by his death. A cheesy death at that. Lay off the China White, Lucas.
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If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
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well there goes the chewbacca song...
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If he dies gruesomely (killed with a fingernail clipper over the course of several days, for example), then makes a suprise re-appearance at the end (a genetic clone made from the clippings, presumably), in the middle of the climactic fight between good and evil, and both sides stop fighting to beat him to death with their bare hands, then I would pay $99.95 plus s&h.
i know, i've read a damn load of his books. pot made them tollerable. but I doubt it's Jar Jar (damn) - probably Liam Neison. i didn't like him either though, never have. reading Foundation again. that's a pretty good read... no pot required.
I don't get it... Why didn't Chewbacca just save himself by using the Chewbacca defense?
It does not make sense!
I think the debate should not be, should Chewie die, but HOW should Chewie die. A shoot out, a crashed Millenium Falcon, cut in half by a Sith... No. Please, please let it involve a Gungan, several jars of Mayonaise, a Toidarian Gay Bar, and the infamous Correllian Iron Fist of Fun. Can't let my kids read that one though, although that final Chewie grunt should be quite impressive.
After the debacle of "The Phantom Picture" they made a marketing decision to heighten interest in the series by killing someone off. It couldn't be any of the really important (human) characters, so that left the droids and Chewie.
Nothing like letting plot and character development in a series be driven primarily by what spin agents and marketers think will sell to turn said series into crap. You always wind up the same flavor of regurgitated pap.
I vaguely remember that there might have been something between Luke and Leia in this book. In any case, it was one of my favorite books as a kid. Highly recommend it if its still possible to find a copy somewhere. (I'm too lazy to check Amazon right now.)
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Then four different versions of Chewie appear and all claim to be the real Chewie.
It's all a very confusing (not to mention stupid) plot, but in the end, the real Chewie comes back from the dead and he has a sporty new hairstyle.
... I hear Chewie couldn't build decent beowulf clusters running Linux anyway.
Damn it, font color tags aren't allowed on slashdot comments. The trick that other sites use for spoilers is that they write the text in the same color as the background, so it stays invisible if you don't wanna read it and if you wanna spoil everything, you highlight the text.
Kill Jar-Jar Binks!
I know that everyone's going to start jumping into a hissy fit because a beloved character is dying, but take a moment to consider a few things. First of all, death is a natural occurance, and while few things in the Star Wars universe are completely natural, we cannot expect for death to be avoidable. If authors are going to continue the saga that Lucas began, then eventually we are going to have to come to terms with the fact that all of our favorite characters are going to die. Remember: Yoda only lived to be 900.
One day, even Luke and Han may pass on, so we should be prepared for it. Come to terms with it before it happens and then it won't be so hard to cope with. I know that we all love the series and would like for it to last forever, but it can't. Eventually, every story comes to an end.
Maybe there will eventually be new characters that can take the place of those that we have already come to know and love. Perhaps Lucas will sit down one day and write the rest of the story for us to read. I think that would be a treat. Maybe someone other than Lucas will want to continue the theatrical series. The future of Star Wars has unlimited possibilities.
I, too, wish that Jar Jar would be the one to bite the bullet, but consider this: he doesn't appear in episode IV, so maybe we will be afforded the chance to actually see it happen! That will be a fine day in the galaxy for sure!
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The reviews of this book on Amazon were often less than complementary. Anyone care to offer up any books written in the Star Wars universe that are top quality?
It's like R2-D2 dying you just don't do it. Sometimes I feel like i could take on the whole (publishing) empire myself! (I wish i was R2 so i could get chicks!)
Let me be the first one to say... Give me a break.
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This isn't Episode 2, but takes place after ROTJ - Episode 6, so it would be either Episode 7, 8 or 9 that Chewie dies. Didn't Lucas say awhile back that most likely Episodes 7-9 would bever be filmed? Plot lines in some stupid paperback don't matter to me. :)
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1. Wookies rip droids' arms out of their sockets when Wookies loose holographic Star Wars chess games.
2. Chewbacca reassembles '3P0 on Cloud City (irony?)
3. When Han's being tortured on Cloud City to get Luke to confront Vader, Chewie's crying is one of the most touching parts of any of the movies. Much more real than the violins playing when worthless Ewoks get what's coming.
There are several other scenes in which Chewbecca more than earns his keep. As for him dying in the book: everyone dies eventually.
the Drizz't novels were quite good but some of his other stuff is, well FLUFFY :) and yes the Foundation series ROCKS, have you read Kate Elliots' Kings Dragon sereies....excellent
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I was kinda hoping it would be George Lucas, or maybe just his marketing assistant. I am soooo sick to death of SW:TPM toys and toothpicks and toilet paper, and condoms, and bacon..etc
Well, yeah! I am.
Go to the sci-fi section of any bookstore and find me an *original* *well-written* *non-preaching* *non-formula* *untrite* piece of contemporary science fiction. Written in the past year.
All I see is 200 Star Trek novellettes and some other stuff that quite frankly sounds like any episode of any sci-fi show ever made.
Now they're going to kill off Chewie? WTF? What is this, "All My Alien-Children?" Leia marries Han, Luke's shacking up with some Jedi chick from three books ago....yadda yadda. Just write some good original stories and don't mess with my Chewbacca!
Blech. Signatures.
But Tolkein wrote Lord Of the Rings..Not Asmov. How do you get those two confused? Not even writing styles are Similar.
This is a smart move for several reasons.
1) Chewie is popular, so people are interested in the notion of him getting killed. (Who would have cared if Lando bit the big one?)
2) Chewie never spoke a word of English and didn't have anything of a human face in the movies, so he doesn't seem so totally real that people will be seriously bummed out by his passing. (If Solo, for example, was killed, I'd more or less give up on the continuing adventures of the Star Wars universe).
3) Everyone loves Han Solo. This will put Solo in a very prominent position in this book, as well as in future books. He will surely feel the need to avenge Chewie, and there'll probably a lot of head-stuff going on with him for next couple books.
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You claim the death star was 2000 km above the planet and a diameter of 800+ km? That would be over 23.07 degrees (if 2000 km is the distance to the center) or 19.19 degrees (if 2000 km is the distance to the nearest point of the death star) when viewed from the planet surface.
I don't remember it looking quite that big.
People, the correct spelling, acto George Lucas himself way back when SW was fresh and new, is "wookiee", not "wookie".
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There was something going on between Han and Chewie. I noticed it when, in A New Hope, Luke starts flirting with Han on the way to rescue Leia. There's no argument that there is something fruity about Luke, especially the way the character was portrayed by Mark Hamill. He pretends to be interested in Leia...even though he's a budding Jedi and should be aware that's she's his SISTER! Anyway, the issue here is Chewie. He and Han spend all this time in the Millenium Falcon together...I wonder what they were doing during the lulls in excitement?
I can't believe I left this one out...
Chewie gets crushed to death when a huge pile of unsold Phantom Menace merchandise falls on him...
Geez, and you call yourselves geeks? HOW many times in the board did i see wookiee misspelled? It's wookieE dammit! WOOKIEE!!! What is /. coming to??? *shakes his head*
You didn't read the link, did you? Here it is again.
a) The Death Star was not in low orbit.
2000 km is a pretty low orbit for something as massive as the Death Star.
b) There's no particular reason to think that the explosion released a significant amount of radiation.
What's your hypothesis for the Death Star's powerplant?
c) On a sheer mass scale, the Death Star wasn't nearly big enough to cover Endor in ash even if it had blown inside the atmosphere. It massed maybe half what the first one did, if it was lucky. Besides which, the thing broke into small enough pieces that it would have all burned up on entry into the atmosphere.
What do you mean it massed half what the first one did? It's twice the size, whatever that means, and has a diameter of 800-960 km.
So, it burns up into pieces upon rentry? Where do the dust sized pieces of the Death Star go? If the Ewoks are lucky, they precipitate straight down, otherwise they suffer a severe overcast sky for a decade. Unless those pieces of dust "burn" all the way into energy, hmm, e=mc^2, you figure out the joules released into the atmosphere.
Follow the link and get back to me.
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The evil fur empire is going to hunt down all the furry guys! Of course they will only use inept droids and chewie will be the only one the kill. The only question is what race the fur empire will be. Maybe canadians, eh?
(Oooooook, I've been staring at those kid lightsabers for too long...)
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I don't know about anyone else, but I am tired of the whole Star Wars thing. The last movie kinda sucked. And we all know the rest of the "prequels" will suck just as much. And if the rumors of DiCaprio are true......
Let's put the Star Wars craze six-feet under. Please.
Hate to sound cruel...but, although the other characters may be just as contrived and plastic, what exactly did Chewie bring that was spectacular? He basically grunted. And threw stuff. I'm primed man...
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Book sales must be going down.
As soon as sales go down again, they'll probably find him as a child on whatever planet they drop his body on.
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perhaps i am gullible, but did they realy do a "Star Trek Voyager" and "X-Men" crossover? PLEASE, tell me i am gullible and stupid and that it is not true...
Chewie should choke on one of his own hairballs. Then, when Han Solo needs sage advice, a magical vision of Chewbacca appears before him going 'ACK!' like Bill the Cat.
Or perhaps he should be poached for his pelt, and the whole Jedi crew can go on an anti-fur crusade...
After the massive disenchantment expressed by long-time SW fans over The Phantom Menace, this move by Lucas is upsetting, but not surprising. He's heard the frequent complaints that TPM was too trivial and candied, and despite his incessant protestations that this was just a "children's movie, for children", you know he's gotta be feeling the criticism.
After being idolized by so many of us for so long, how could he not be disturbed by our sudden loss of faith?
So Lucas is trying to prove he is not namby-pamby, and that the Ewoks and Jar Jar really aren't his notion of "pivotal characters". He wants to demonstrate to us that hey can be dark and brooding, and that terror still exists in the Star Wars universe.
But what a cheap means to do it! Kill off an old favorite (and notably, one who added more color than content to the series) and suddenly you gain both the attention and the approbation of people who have grown out of comical pratfalls. All it takes is a call to a popular author - you don't even have to invest your creative labor!
Sad. I suspect we will see increasing amounts of this as Lucas marches towards his next multi-million dollar flop. I predict large fuzzy giggling bunnies from outer space will dominate the next movie, and in the books Leia will get gang raped.
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Man... too bad I read adult material now when I read anything (okay okay, not *that* kind of adult material), but when I was younger, I *loved* his series that had Drizzt Do'Urden as the main character. (They should be / have based the new D&D movie off his works).
He is a great author though. Never knew he branched into writing S.W. books. Maybe, just maybe for nostaligic reasons I'll ummm.. pick up one for my little cousin. His name's Timmy. He's in the hospital. He's sick, but he loves reading these teenager-fantasy books. For me? Of course not, you have to be an idiot to assume *I'd* read something like that! [rushes over and grabs an issue of Maxim and a Sports Illustrated to go with it] See?
Lol... excuses. Maybe I should just order it online.
You aren't looking too hard. The fact that you've read more than 1 Star Wars book proves that.
Try some of these authors:
Gregory Benford, Nancy Kress, David Brin, Greg Egan, Stephen Donaldson, Jonathan Lethem, Lois McMaster Bujold, Harry Turtledove.....
Just for starters
First, make it work, then make it right, then make it fast, then, make it bloated!
I just read it a couple of weeks ago and I was very impressed. Most books made from movies are just pulp trash. This is the only one that springs to mind that complimented the movie perfectly. Brooks had a very good grasp on the feelings of the characters and provided another dimension to the movie by showing their underlying motivations. You might remember Terry Brooks from the Shannara series of books. Some of my favourites when I was in highschool and playing D&D and crap like that (nerd in training).
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They killed Superman (brought him back too, but he was different) but it was superman, it wasn't Lois Lane or one of his superfriend sidekicks, the main character died. Never killed Batman but came close a few times, they probably don't need to kill him because they are willing to change the batman comics, they've killed Robin about 6 times though, Robin never comes back because they really kill him. Batman is just too badass anyways.
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You bastard!
Silly -- they were "Fixing the hyperdrive"
or "Getting ready to make the jump to light speed"
or "Loading cargo"
I'd better stop now....
Holy moly, that may be the funniest thing I've ever seen on slashdot!
Which reminds me. One thing that I've seen elsewhere that /. lacks is the ability to deliberately "hide" your own posts. This is useful both for spoilers and for offtopic posts. The reader can decide whether or not to read based on the title.
In addition, a "Spoiler" moderation option might be nice.
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I'm sick of all this starwars nonsense. Whats so great about it? Try reading Lord of the Rings for a better epic story.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgg gggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.
Great. Just freakin' Great. One of the few characters they could explore, they kill. I don't know what's going on in Lucas's mind, but I suspect it's Parkinson's disease.
First, he sells out by making a 2-hour commercial, then the one opportunity he has to make Jar-Jar worth while character, or at least tolerable, he blows.
(Haveing Jar-Jar intentionally release the exploding globes on the persuing forces would have gone a long way towards making Har-Har worthwhile).
Now this!! Intolerable!
After nearly a quarter of a century of devoted SW following, I am done. No more movies, I'm not going to update my SW videos to dvd. not one penny will he get from me ever again.
oh yeah, salvators writing style is juvenile, at best. Thats not FB, just my opinion, and yes I've read some of his books.
Why are all the great SF authors dead?
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Y not off the Ewoks too?
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