>"We think that in the future Sun will win based on the evidence. >However, there was also that preliminary ruling, which was prior to
Not really. Could be more of a way of killing any loopholes Mircosoft could try and squeeze through.
Re:Prediction: Microsoft on Linux!
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>I predict that within the next year, Microsoft will announce similar >support for Linux with their major development products,
Rather doubtful. In fact I just saw something over on LinuxToday saying Microsoft intends to inist that vendors must agree to tightly integrate their products with Microsoft's Visual Studio development suite of tools, which includes VisualBasic, Visual C++ and Visual J++. The article is entitled "CRN: Protecting Windows -- Microsoft launches developer program to counter competitors" and can be found here: http://linuxtoday.com/stories/9018.html. It can also be found here: http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?CRN199908 16S0049
Re:GUI toolkit is the important question!
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If the Windows Share/Cripple-ware crowd thinks (which seems to be the case here) that this will somehow cause a demand for their crap to be ported over to linux, they are sadly mistaken. Quite frankly I don't think shareware has much of a future within Unix/Linux because most of it's programers (especally Windows programers) have given the concept such a bad rep over the years, so much so that I suspect most people interested in Unix/Linux want little or nothing to do with it anymore. Opera may be able to make the crossover, but the rest of that crap? Rather doubtful.
>ftp.kernel.org, but a custom kernel of their own, that differs not >just in how it was configured, but in the code itself.
Umm no. The Redhat kernels make more use of modules than say what Slackware does. For instance ppp and sound are modules with the kernels RedHat uses. You basically don't have to recompile the kernel for sound with Redhat. I know.
>Saw an add in a local computer magazine for several certifications, >one of the ones listed was freebsd linux. Its already happening.
Looks like you misread it. It looks like what's really being said is freebsd,linux. Most likely a typo on the magazine's part if you are being truthful about this.
Why bother? If you have a cdrom collection, what's the point of converting them to MP3's? Buy a portable CD player from either K-mart or Wal-mart and play them on that. Why waste HD space for no good reason? Ah the Wired mentality at work. Gotta love it. NOT.
Um, you're wrong. There really aren't at least 20 distributions of Linux. What you are seeing is releases of Linux that's been customized for particular purposes and given away to anyone who may have a use for them. For example I know of 4 or 5 "distributions of Linux" as you put it that are really linux on a floppy disk to be used as a rescue disk. A lot of the other "distributions" are basically RedHat that's been customized for a particular language, like spanish or chinese. This isn't the defination of fragmentation.
Not really because the mircosoft guy was and still is wrong. This isn't the typical buffer overflow exploit at all. It seems like AOL is using those extra 24 or so bits as a kind of checksum or key to their servers. In other words if you don't have the key to the door (like mircosoft doesn't), you don't get in. This really doesn't fit the description of the typical buffer overflow exploit does it?
Besides loser in case you've forgotten, Microsoft and the users of the Mircosoft software are tresspassing on AOL property (The AOL servers). AOL has told Microsoft to get lost. Therefore AOL has every right to ban the use of the Mircosoft software on *AOL*'s servers, just like the owners of the IRC servers can and have banned people from acessing their networks. You idoitic microsoft supporters had better realize the the fact that you don't have a damned right to acess *ANYTHING* that doesn't belong to you. In other words grow the fucking hell up.
>You have to be a moron to post pirated software/movies/music on a >public web page. Thats just kind of screaming "arrest me, I don't >have a living brain cell in my head".
Do you expect anything less from the current generation of Windows-using script kiddies that populate the warez groups these days? I swear, most of those guys don't have the IQ of a mushroom.
>Ok, bad example. Once ANOTHER Linux power/distro has an IPO and there >are multiple groups of shareholders going after the same customer >base...
Not really. RedHat's userbase is mainly American. SuSe's userbase is mainly Europe. TurboLinux userbase is mainly Asia. There maybe a little mingling along the fringes but on the whole the demographics of each of these Linux dists won't change. Why? Linux users in Europe are a little diffrent than their American counterparts. A perfect example of this is how the Amiga market split into a Europe Amiga market and a U.S. Amiga market. SuSE will never go over very big in here in the US, and while RedHat may have a bigger impact in Europe, SuSE won't be in much danger from it. And so on and so forth.
>I don't understand why so many people are getting upset with slashdot >announcing the release of cool software for the linux community.
Because then they (these people are trolls from microsoft you know) can't then claim there are no apps for linux. You see, they *REALLY* object to the fact that Slashdot isn't a pro-mircosoft site, because you can't buy the kind of attention that Slashdot generates on certain topics. Just look at the PR nightmare the Win2000 test challenge created for Microsoft. Everybody pretty much knows that the real intent of this was another Mindcraft-type attack on Linux/BSD despite what Microsoft and it's allies are now running around asserting. Unfortunely for Microsoft, it blew up in their face *BIG TIME*.
>Three good reasons why productivity hasn't increased much in the >workplace since computers were introduced. There's a fourth reason why "productivity" hasn't increased much.
4. People discovered that they had no real need or use for the so-called "productivity" software that was being hyped at them....
> Moreover, as a developer, I can't see myself wanting to develop for >a desktop environment written in C, when I can develop for one that's >written in C++.
Yo moron! Who's *ASKING* you too? Quite frankly you won't find very many takers for the ports of Windows Crippleware you are peddling amongst linux users anyway....
How much were you paid by Microsoft to post this bullshit of yours here astroturfer? You can go back and tell your bosses that Microsoft's lame attempt at an PR campain won't fly because outside of the Ziff-Davis crowd nodbody's really stupid enough to fall for it.
>In the meantime, that has little bearing on whether it's legal for >AOL to block other services from using their messaging system, >security hole or no.
What the hell do you mean? If these "other services" are trying to acess *AOL Property* (the servers which AOL happens to owns) without AOL's permission, (something Mircosoft *DOESN'T* have) it's pretty much a open and shut case.
>Markoff is stupid... He calls AOL and MSN the two biggest ISP's in >the world... I would be more tempted to read his stuff if it wasn't >always full of inaccuracies due to his cluelessness and lazyness.
Nice to see employees from the microsoft astroturf division hard at work, isn't it guys?
>Lets see all those awesome open source chat/messaging software out >there. Why doesnt everyone use them? You OSS zealots are all talk, no >action.
Well considering that I have no real interest in chat/messaging software anymore, why should I use it? Hell I've gotten to the point where I don't even run an IRC client under linux or windows very much anymore because of the c00l dUdEz like you who are really quite boring.
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A class action lawsuit against RedHat who doesn't have any real control over linux by a bunch of stockholders? Be laughed out of the courtroom. You need to do your home work on how the linux world works and the role companies like RedHat have in it. Hint. It's nothing like the roles Microsoft and SCO plays...
>No one is preventing you from porting Mozilla to Win 3.x, so stop whining.
First of all, I don't use Win 3.1 though I've a number of friends who do and quite frankly were turned off by this attuide towards them. It's really funny in a way. You Mozilla guys who are whining about how you really can't get people to contribute to Mozilla, then you cop this attuide that quite frankly reminds me of the HURD and BSD crowd's attuide towards the people who ended up deciding to work on linux instead and you can see what that attuide got them.
Re:"We want open protocols" from Yahoo+MS, yeah ri
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>Also, there Mail service doesnt even allow External POP3/SMTP access.
And Hotmail does? Hell Microsoft just changed Hotmail so you can't even use older browsers or lynx to login to the system, let alone read any email....
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Looks like the MS server has bit the dust already. Must be running Windows 2000.
Here's the error message...HTTP 500 - Internal server error Internet Information Services
>"We think that in the future Sun will win based on the evidence. >However, there was also that preliminary ruling, which was prior to
Not really. Could be more of a way of killing any loopholes Mircosoft could try and squeeze through.
>I predict that within the next year, Microsoft will announce similar >support for Linux with their major development products,
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Rather doubtful. In fact I just saw something over on LinuxToday saying Microsoft intends to inist that vendors must agree to tightly integrate their products with Microsoft's Visual Studio development suite of tools, which includes VisualBasic, Visual C++ and Visual J++. The article is entitled "CRN: Protecting Windows -- Microsoft launches developer program to counter competitors" and can be found here: http://linuxtoday.com/stories/9018.html. It can also be found here: http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?CRN19990
If the Windows Share/Cripple-ware crowd thinks (which seems to be the case here) that this will somehow cause a demand for their crap to be ported over to linux, they are sadly mistaken. Quite frankly I don't think shareware has much of a future within Unix/Linux because most of it's programers (especally Windows programers) have given the concept such a bad rep over the years, so much so that I suspect most people interested in Unix/Linux want little or nothing to do with it anymore. Opera may be able to make the crossover, but the rest of that crap? Rather doubtful.
>ftp.kernel.org, but a custom kernel of their own, that differs not >just in how it was configured, but in the code itself.
Umm no. The Redhat kernels make more use of modules than say what Slackware does. For instance ppp and sound are modules with the kernels RedHat uses. You basically don't have to recompile the kernel for sound with Redhat. I know.
>Saw an add in a local computer magazine for several certifications, >one of the ones listed was freebsd linux. Its already happening.
Looks like you misread it. It looks like what's really being said is freebsd,linux. Most likely a typo on the magazine's part if you are being truthful about this.
Why bother? If you have a cdrom collection, what's the point of converting them to MP3's? Buy a portable CD player from either K-mart or Wal-mart and play them on that. Why waste HD space for no good reason? Ah the Wired mentality at work. Gotta love it. NOT.
>I am aware of at least 20 distributions of Linux
Um, you're wrong. There really aren't at least 20 distributions of Linux. What you are seeing is releases of Linux that's been customized for particular purposes and given away to anyone who may have a use for them. For example I know of 4 or 5 "distributions of Linux" as you put it that are really linux on a floppy disk to be used as a rescue disk. A lot of the other "distributions" are basically RedHat that's been customized for a particular language, like spanish or chinese. This isn't the defination of fragmentation.
>that some people have some apologizing to do.
Not really because the mircosoft guy was and still is wrong. This isn't the typical buffer overflow exploit at all. It seems like AOL is using those extra 24 or so bits as a kind of checksum or key to their servers. In other words if you don't have the key to the door (like mircosoft doesn't), you don't get in. This really doesn't fit the description of the typical buffer overflow exploit does it?
Besides loser in case you've forgotten, Microsoft and the users of the Mircosoft software are tresspassing on AOL property (The AOL servers). AOL has told Microsoft to get lost. Therefore AOL has every right to ban the use of the Mircosoft software on *AOL*'s servers, just like the owners of the IRC servers can and have banned people from acessing their networks. You idoitic microsoft supporters had better realize the the fact that you don't have a damned right to acess *ANYTHING* that doesn't belong to you. In other words grow the fucking hell up.
>You have to be a moron to post pirated software/movies/music on a >public web page. Thats just kind of screaming "arrest me, I don't >have a living brain cell in my head".
Do you expect anything less from the current generation of Windows-using script kiddies that populate the warez groups these days? I swear, most of those guys don't have the IQ of a mushroom.
>Ok, bad example. Once ANOTHER Linux power/distro has an IPO and there >are multiple groups of shareholders going after the same customer >base...
Not really. RedHat's userbase is mainly American. SuSe's userbase is mainly Europe. TurboLinux userbase is mainly Asia. There maybe a little mingling along the fringes but on the whole the demographics of each of these Linux dists won't change. Why? Linux users in Europe are a little diffrent than their American counterparts. A perfect example of this is how the Amiga market split into a Europe Amiga market and a U.S. Amiga market. SuSE will never go over very big in here in the US, and while RedHat may have a bigger impact in Europe, SuSE won't be in much danger from it. And so on and so forth.
>>Actually Suck is a Wired division.
So? Wired is crap anyway. Come on. Do you *ACTUALLY KNOW* anyone or seen anyone who reads Wired, even at a bookstand/magazine rack?
>I don't understand why so many people are getting upset with slashdot >announcing the release of cool software for the linux community.
Because then they (these people are trolls from microsoft you know) can't then claim there are no apps for linux. You see, they *REALLY* object to the fact that Slashdot isn't a pro-mircosoft site, because you can't buy the kind of attention that Slashdot generates on certain topics. Just look at the PR nightmare the Win2000 test challenge created for Microsoft. Everybody pretty much knows that the real intent of this was another Mindcraft-type attack on Linux/BSD despite what Microsoft and it's allies are now running around asserting. Unfortunely for Microsoft, it blew up in their face *BIG TIME*.
>Remember the benchmarks from Mindcraft, ahh you forgot about those >didn't you?
And you forgot about the Windows 2000 farce,er challege haven't you?
Microcrap products just can't hack it in the *Real World* it seems only in unrealistic benchmark testing....
>Three good reasons why productivity hasn't increased much in the >workplace since computers were introduced.
There's a fourth reason why "productivity" hasn't increased much.
4. People discovered that they had no real need or use for the so-called "productivity" software that was being hyped at them....
> Moreover, as a developer, I can't see myself wanting to develop for >a desktop environment written in C, when I can develop for one that's >written in C++.
Yo moron! Who's *ASKING* you too? Quite frankly you won't find very many takers for the ports of Windows Crippleware you are peddling amongst linux users anyway....
>Sounds like a cheap way to get to Mars. Getting BACK, however...
I was thinking the same thing....
How much were you paid by Microsoft to post this bullshit of yours here astroturfer? You can go back and tell your bosses that Microsoft's lame attempt at an PR campain won't fly because outside of the Ziff-Davis crowd nodbody's really stupid enough to fall for it.
>In the meantime, that has little bearing on whether it's legal for >AOL to block other services from using their messaging system, >security hole or no.
What the hell do you mean? If these "other services" are trying to acess *AOL Property* (the servers which AOL happens to owns) without AOL's permission, (something Mircosoft *DOESN'T* have) it's pretty much a open and shut case.
>Markoff is stupid ... He calls AOL and MSN the two biggest ISP's in >the world ... I would be more tempted to read his stuff if it wasn't >always full of inaccuracies due to his cluelessness and lazyness.
Nice to see employees from the microsoft astroturf division hard at work, isn't it guys?
>WHY on earth would we want those? Hell, let MS patent 'em.
You mean they haven't already?!?
>Lets see all those awesome open source chat/messaging software out >there. Why doesnt everyone use them? You OSS zealots are all talk, no >action.
Well considering that I have no real interest in chat/messaging software anymore, why should I use it? Hell I've gotten to the point where I don't even run an IRC client under linux or windows very much anymore because of the c00l dUdEz like you who are really quite boring.
A class action lawsuit against RedHat who doesn't have any real control over linux by a bunch of stockholders? Be laughed out of the courtroom. You need to do your home work on how the linux world works and the role companies like RedHat have in it. Hint. It's nothing like the roles Microsoft and SCO plays...
>No one is preventing you from porting Mozilla to Win 3.x, so stop whining.
First of all, I don't use Win 3.1 though I've a number of friends who do and quite frankly were turned off by this attuide towards them. It's really funny in a way. You Mozilla guys who are whining about how you really can't get people to contribute to Mozilla, then you cop this attuide that quite frankly reminds me of the HURD and BSD crowd's attuide towards the people who ended up deciding to work on linux instead and you can see what that attuide got them.
>Also, there Mail service doesnt even allow External POP3/SMTP access.
And Hotmail does? Hell Microsoft just changed Hotmail so you can't even use older browsers or lynx to login to the system, let alone read any email....