An Anonymous Coward wrote in to tell us that Apache 1.3.9 has made an appearance on the ftp sites.
The webiste doesn't note this, but the ftp directory has a change log and list of new bits in this bug fix release.
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Never mind, but ...
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Anonymous Coward
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... is it really necessary to announce each piece of software on./... well, although if it is Apache, then...
We have this Insight 486/66 at work that probably has over 6 months of win95 uptime.
Umm...not that I mean to question your word, but what about that 49 day bug? You know, where win95 was supposed to crash after 49 days (as acknowledged by Microsoft)?
dylan_-
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Re:News scoops aren't always good
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ochinko
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Thanks to this premature unofficial announcement, the main Apache system is getting slashdotted and the mirrors have to compete just to get the files. So no-one is really getting any advantage from the world-wide distributed availability.
Please, don't get so melodramatic. ftp access can be controlled so I don't think they are being slashdotted. My guess is that mirror servers don't use anonymous account in the Apache server so I don't actually compete with them.
I can wait for the main file but I was happy to download ftp.apache.org/dist/CHANGES_1.3 (~300kB) so I'm grateful for the link.
Re:Why are so many people upset with this?
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C.Lee
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>I don't understand why so many people are getting upset with slashdot >announcing the release of cool software for the linux community.
Because then they (these people are trolls from microsoft you know) can't then claim there are no apps for linux. You see, they *REALLY* object to the fact that Slashdot isn't a pro-mircosoft site, because you can't buy the kind of attention that Slashdot generates on certain topics. Just look at the PR nightmare the Win2000 test challenge created for Microsoft. Everybody pretty much knows that the real intent of this was another Mindcraft-type attack on Linux/BSD despite what Microsoft and it's allies are now running around asserting. Unfortunely for Microsoft, it blew up in their face *BIG TIME*.
i suppose mindcraft proved IIS is better than um, samba or zeus on a 4 processor system, but IIS has 'known issues' like having to reboot 9 times a day for stupid things like 'message buffer full'
The tests were redone with support from both sides by PC Magazine. Don't write off the results as Mindcraft bias.
Oh, by the way, do you think the Dell commerce site gets rebooted 9 times a day?
Re:Tuning Apache
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Anonymous Coward
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I agree whole hartedly!! But I am running a website... not a benchmark. I have more to serve than just stick files.. but if I ever need to server static files over four subnets and don't have to worry about up time... I will definately get IIS.
And you got it wrong... Apache isn't a half-product... it isn't a product at all... it's free... it's a working webserver. Maybe if MS thought of IS as a working webserver rather than a product... do will do more to improve it rather than just look for benchmark hype.
I thought the big thing added in 2.0 was going to be the choice to have a single multi-threaded process instead of spawning separate processes...
Maybe I'm wrong...
Re:100+ pages of changes!
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Caleb+Rutan
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Actually, based on personal experience, windows NT 3.51 boxes make by far the best doorstops. Especially if you can get an older model compaq, perhaps an original Prosignia, with the pentium-60 complete with the fdiv math bug. Those weigh in at 30 or 40 pounds, and make great doorstops, as well as end tables, foot rests, etc.:) caleb
I would suggest we examine the forces that feed those demands for ASP support from ISP's customers -- It's Frontpage driving it, isn't it? There needs to be a suite of web page dev tools that assume PHP3 or JSP or servlets or even mod_perl stuff on the back end that have the ease of use of a consumer product. That development effort would be much more productive than trying to support ASP.
Apache itself is probably pretty fast (enough), so it depends on your system too. Try a BSD one and use a clever disk layout. Say a fast disk, use the first partitions, use a second disk for the logfiles, switch off updating inode related information if possible. Memory cannot hurt, more memory hurts less, do not use dynamically linked modules, leave out unecessary features,...
In short, yes, Apaches is probably the least of your problems and as it has been shown already for real world applications it is fast enough.
Re:Tuning Apache
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Anonymous Coward
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Yes, Of course. Get IIS and it will rock. There were two independent test that proved IIS superiority over that half-product called Apache
Apache 1.3.9 Bug Fixes and Performance
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Mad+Browser
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What I want to know is this: is it worth the trouble to upgrade from 1.3.6? If so, can I just build a new httpd and drop it in on top of my 1.3.6 install?
Re:Apache 1.3.9 Bug Fixes and Performance
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Anonymous Coward
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IF (evaluate(Mad_Browser.post())== STUPID) { me.flameTheHellOutOfHim("You are stupid!"); }............../flame You are stupid. ------------- It worked.
Re:Apache 1.3.9 Bug Fixes and Performance
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broter
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So who invited the psychotic Microserf?
Yes, I believe there is a make install for apache.
-- "One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place." - Mick Travis, "If..."
At a guess, it's probably because they're using some form of revision control and once you've "branded" a release, any changes to it will automatically become the next revision.
Not sure why the fuss is anyway, it's not like they jumped an entire version - they skipped a couple of revisions.
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Re:Why is it just the "linux community"?
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lgn
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That was a reply to the poster, nothing more. I wasn't making a statement, or generalizing about slashdot, it's readers or stories. I just saw no mention of any other operating system, and how this was all for the "linux community".
As soon as gravity stops fighting me, I'd imagine.
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Woe is me...
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Anonymous Coward
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There sits my ISP, running Apache 1.2.1 Clipper.net Now, I ask you, is that pathetic or WHAT?!?!
Re:ME SO HORNY!
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Anonymous Coward
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ROFL
cygwin/mingw
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Anonymous Coward
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Sure, you can download cygwin, which allows you to target the cygwin POSIX portability layer or the native win32 API. Alternatively, you can get mingw which supports native apps only. I use the cygwin version of gcc exclusively--the output isn't as fast as that of Visual C++, but it compiles something rather close to standard C++ (unlike VC++, which still mishandles "for" scoping, returns NULL when "new" fails, and has tremendous problems with templates).
Thanks Apache
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Anonymous Coward
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Thank you Apache group for releasing another great product.
Re:Thanks Apache
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Anonymous Coward
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You are one stupid Anonymous Coward. Rules for using AC are very simple: you use it when you wanna flame or simply post unrelevant shit. Remeber that and behave like real AC next time..
not really...
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Anonymous Coward
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Portability is easy... you just stick the nonportable stuff in a couple of small files for each system and forget about it. I write stuff that's portable to both without any trouble. Even if you really on proprietary UNIX/Linux stuff rather than just standard C++ libraries, it's still not a big deal. As you point out, GCC is available for Windows. If you don't need expensive IDEs under Linux, you don't need them for win32.
Not First....HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!
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Anonymous Coward
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Loosers....anyways. Gotta love apache, nice product, glad it is still chugging away, although, just what else can they add to it? Also, I am looking for an apahce performance guide, how to make it a flying gas can, if you know what I mean.
not really...
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Anonymous Coward
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Portability is easy... you just stick the nonportable stuff in a couple of small files for each system and forget about it. I write stuff that's portable to both without any trouble. Even if you really on proprietary UNIX/Linux stuff rather than just standard C++ libraries, it's still not a big deal.
As you point out, GCC is available for Windows. If you don't need expensive IDEs under Linux, you don't need them for win32.
yesm apache has support for servlets. now, does any one no how to use an 'import' statement in jsp? daveo has tried a few statement tags, but it is of no avail.
Apache does not currently support Servlets (much to my personal dismay). There is currently the Jakarta project which is developing a free (speech) %100 Pure Java Servlet and JavaServer Pages implementation. This is planning on merging eventually w/ the apache project. If I am wrong about servlets w/ apache PLEASE correct me.
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You're wrong. Servlet supports been in there for some time as a module. It's available at this site. It works fairly well, despite Java running like a dog under Linux.
There's even a JSP site out there. I just can't be bothered right now to find it. I'm sure someone else will.
Re:Apache is the `jewel in the crown' of OSS
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Gambit+Thirty-Two
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Heh, probably because its on a windows 98 box... while the server itself may be incredible and virtually uncrashable, i wish i could say the same for the underlying OS
And then theres the fact the machine is on the Marist College network, which is pretty shoddy anyway =)
mindcraft redux has some very good info regarding what slowed down apache durring the last mindcraft benchmark, should give you some insight to tuning apache.
Keep lots of spare servers out there... make sure you have plenty of ram to keep a great deal of spare servers sitting around and set your spare server limit high. Cutting down the timeouts to shorter levels will also free those spare servers up faster.
Number two? Use ab.c to check how things are going after you make changes to the conf file.
Of course there is some *real* tuning you can do but for the most part, people don't really need it. Right now with a stock 1.3.6 and plenty of spare servers I can get 453 requests a second out of a dual PII-350.
You know... I thought trolling would be fun. I mean, you see soooo many people do it. Its got to have some apeal, right? Bah. As a whole, the day-of-trolls was boring. Back to ignoring them as usual. Oddly enough, its more satifying.:)
Cool...
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Anonymous Coward
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Cool, I'm getting this one. Lots of juicy Win32 improvements. I must commend Apache on their non-hatred of Windows and its users. We aren't all drooling buffoons who don't know computers from our asses. Some developer policies regarding Windows are kind of mean-spirited; take the mySQL win32 version for example. Why don't more developers try to port the Open Source philosophy to Windows. Makes y'all seem kind of hypocritical when the Linux versions are free and the Win32 versions cost wads of cash. Regards, --
I think one of the reasons that mySQL costs more on Windoze is that it costs more to develop on Windows. The OS/tools are not free as they are on Linux... Granted mySQL runs on other *NIXes...
I don't know about the other licenses, but of all the GPL'd software, you are free to modify. What are you waiting for? Get out your compiler and start porting that software.
That reminds me. Is there a gratis & libre compiler that can produce Windows executables? I know DJGPP can make 32bit DOS apps. What about compiling against the win32 API? That would rock. I could use something like that myself. If there isn't, that should be Anonymous Coward's first project.
Re:Cool...
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Anonymous Coward
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I wouldn't exactly call MySQL's ~$200 'wads of cash', especially in relation to how much M$ or Oracle's engine costs...
Try Cygwin, which apparently will serve ('tho it's NOT free if you are porting commercial applications...). According to its FAQ, it now supports both their Unix-like API and the native Windows foo.
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Re:Cool...
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Anonymous Coward
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True. But what I was saying was that it makes it seem like a petty anti-Windows grudge. If you're going to charge for your software, charge evenly across the board (within reason). The tools for programming are I would imagine negligible next to the cost in programmer time. I don't mind paying, but when there's a totally separate, and more restrictive, license for win32 I start to feel like an outcast. *sob* Maybe I should install Linux.:) Wait... I tried that already with not-so-good results. Oh well.
It's common for vendors to charge less for their products to non-profits and in some ways this is along the same line. Also, I'd be interested to hear how many Win32 developers have contributed to MySQL (or open-source development overall) compared to *nix developers. I'm getting ready to push out a commercial site and if it's stays on MySQL after it goes into production they'll get $200 cause it's worth it.
Ok, I do some linux development, and have a reasonable idea why people don't port their code to windows:
1) Windows optimisation is a different beast to linux optimisation. It is very difficult to optimise a program for windows when it is currently optimised for linux/unix.
2) Doing windows portability can be very bad for your source code, making a mess of what was cleanish code. Even with portabilty layers, I doubt windows porting is easy and doesn't wreak the code.
3) Development tools under windows can cost a lot of money, money many people won't pay for "just a hobby" when linux development tools are freely accessable. However there is the GCC compiler for windows, which could solve this problem.
4) We just don't care enough about working with windows to overcome all the above points.
I don't hate windows or its users, but I still can't work enough enthusiasm over it to actually try to port my code to windows.
Yeah, used gcc lately?? There is also the cygwin project which has ported a lot of GNU software to linux using its posix layer. If you want to create native windows exe (ie without the cygwin posix extension) then you can use mingw for this purpose. Hell you can even cross compile from your linux box to windows which really rocks. Benno
It's their program and they can license it any way they want. I tend to give away the stupid perl progs I write because the perl community has given me so much in free support and code. The VB progs I write I never give away though. Mainly because VB cost me plenty (especially when you add all those activeX controls I bought). M$ also charges me for help.
P.S If you can't install Linux you really have no right to complain about other peoples coding practices. For me it usually takes about a half hour to install linux. It's actually easier to install then NT.
Apache is a killer app for Linux. Hence a new release is important news.
I scan freshmeat, but everyday there are about 100 entries about lame kde frontends to e.g., tar. Important software announcements sometimes get lost in the noise.
Why are so many people upset with this?
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Quack1701
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I don't understand why so many people are getting upset with slashdot announcing the release of cool software for the linux community. As far as I've been able to tell, this site is for the news geeks (namely Commander Taco) like, especially geeks who like linux.
News is not limited to a new smaller version of the keyboard, or a 60 mile balloon collecting anti-matter to make bombs, or even a new all "open" female porn site.
I find it interesting when a new version of the kernel is released. I also like to hear about the release of major applications like Apache, KDE, Gnome, etc, and cool games like Civ:Call to Power, et.al.
Sure, this overlaps a bit with Freshmeat. And I go to freshmeat if I want to find new versions smaller applications.
However, if you want to get rid of all overlapping from slashdot, then slashdot would not exist. Everything they post, save John Katz articles, can easily be found elsewhere. But the point of slashdot is so we don't have to go elsewhere to find the cool news.
Oh well...
Quack
Re:Why are so many people upset with this?
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QuMa
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I completely agree, except for the fact that everything on this site can be found elsewhere. Where would I find such futile discussions?:-)
Re:Why are so many people upset with this?
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Quack1701
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Where would I find such futile discussions?:-)
Humm.. Let's see. How about Yahoo message boards? Usenet? IM Chat rooms? IRC?
Futile discussions seem to be everywhere. One bonus for going elsewhere for futile discussions is that I've never seen a "first post" anywhere else. But alas, I'm not looking to hard either.
1.3.7 was found to have problems before it was released to the beta testers. 1.3.8 was found to have problems after it was released to the beta testers and the fixes for those took it to 1.3.9.
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Fasted post west of the Mississippi pipeline
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Woundweavr
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I think its funny that/. had news on the new Apache server before Apache had news on their own server.
Re:Fasted post west of the Mississippi pipeline
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Anonymous Coward
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Your life is about to take very dramatic turn. Stay tuned, Woundweavr.
Re:Fasted post west of the Mississippi pipeline
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Roundeye
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hm. I'm glad someone took the time to post that. Thanks, AC
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Hmm..
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Anonymous Coward
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I guess the last two months of my life coding Java servlets has all been a dream then. I really think that servlets are supported on Apache since I've been running them for some time.
They'll realize that ASP is a bloated, worthless, broken, badly-supported technology that rarely works at all, much less works correctly, and switch to something simpler, cheaper, and a million times more versatile. Namely, anything.
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Re:So... --GSP
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Anonymous Coward
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There is an ASP to PHP converter, and an ASP addon for mod_perl. Also, Apache does support servlets with the jserv module available from java.apache.org. There is even JSP, and GSP which i like better. Available from www.bitmechanic.com/gsp -Lkb
Re:Poor posts
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Anonymous Coward
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Ya know, whatever happened to letting Rob Malda post what *he* wants to? I mean, it is *his* site, right? He created it, didn't he? If I were Rob and I spent all of my time working on this great site I sure as hell wouldn't want readers telling me what is and isn't appropriate to post here.
Be grateful! (Not that you were being outright rude... I'm just sick of all you people being so judgemental about a site that you didn't create/maintain.)
If you don't like what he's doing with it, go somewhere else! Or better yet, create your own damn site!
From the ChangeLog: *) Add the new mass-vhost module (mod_vhost_alias.c) developed and used by Demon Internet, Ltd. [Tony Finch ]
Yay!!!!! I've been waiting on this one. Does anybody know how well it works, performance increases over specifying each and every virtual host? This is useful to our site which is currently running about 1500 virtual hosts that are mostly similar (yes, it's a pain in the ass.)
I'm testing it out at home, and it seems to work well. We might switch over to it at work where we have several thousand Virtual Host Directives. These could probably be replaced with the following two lines:
UseCanonicalName Off VirtualDocumentRoot/web/sites/%-2
There's Cygwin, as Stonehand suggested-- which would probably be the best choice if you're porting a Unix-native app (there's a runtime library that the compiled programs will need, that provides the Unix services missing from Windows).
If you want to write Windows-native apps, however, using the Win32 API and linked to the standard Windows libraries, Mingw32 is the one to go with. It's a GCC port, IIRC, rewritten to work with Windows.
You might want to have a look at LCCWIN, but I'm not sure what the tradeoffs are with that one. All I know is that it's popular for compiling Quake plug-ins:-)
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Re:Mingw32
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Anonymous Coward
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Go here for a pre-built mingw32 package with gcc 2.95 and all the fixin's.
I think he means the last printout has been sitting stably on top of a win32 box. If you stack it well, and use a strong staple, you theoretically can do this on any platform. I strongly recommend low-profile pizza box desktop cases (for example, Sun Sparcs) because they're easier to stack things on (with any degree of stability).
-Cghris
Re:100+ pages of changes!
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Roundeye
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I have found I have better results with putting my papers under Win32 boxes, as this reduces the likelihood of the machine catching fire to the papers (which happens if they are left on top of the machine).
Recently a friend reported that the Win32 boxes are also really useful when placed in front of a door that you want to keep open. I can't wait to try this second use for Win32!
-- "Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
Re:News scoops aren't always good
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HP+LoveJet
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Excellent point. Too bad the Slashdot effect doesn't always mesh well with being a well-behaved user....
At least I know I'm not part of the problem...and I won't be until the apache+ssl patches for 1.3.9 are out.:)
Hey, Slashdot wouldn't be so popular if Rob n' co. didn't listen to "What the people want". In this case, it seems the majority of people want to hear about killer app releases, so we will hear about killer app releases. I'm sure that Rob would not claim that everything about slashdot was -his idea-.
Apache is a very important piece of software for the Open Source community. Apache is one of the main pieces of software on nearly every Linux box out there. Apache runs over half the world's web servers. I'd say a new release is news. Plus, freshmeat is mostly loaded full of minor version releases of software no one cares about, nor notices. The signal to noise ratio on FM is very low, IMHO.
If that many people hate this type of thing, I suggest making a new section heading called "Software Releases" so that people who don't want to see them can block them out in their preferences.. Pass the suggestion on to CmdrTaco yourself. I'm tired today for some reason...
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Apache is the `jewel in the crown' of OSS
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Apache has got to be the major reason why so many businesses (like the one I work for) use Linux (and other free *nixes). Any minor release of this excellent bit of software is worthy of mention. I'm very interested in seeing the changelog, but it's/.'d at the mo!
BTW: Win* Apache is excellent! IIS watch out!
Re:Apache is the `jewel in the crown' of OSS
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Gambit+Thirty-Two
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I agree. I run Apache for Win32 on my machine here and i've NEVER had a single problem.
Re:Apache is the `jewel in the crown' of OSS
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TrentC
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I agree. I run Apache for Win32 on my machine here and i've NEVER had a single problem.
Until you posted the URL on Slashdot that is; I hit your link just to see and it wasn't up.
Jay (= (Maybe calling the machine "coredump" wasn't a good idea?)
anybody using it? yes its the most popular server software in the world...
um...please, you have to work for microsoft or something.
i suppose mindcraft proved IIS is better than um, samba or zeus on a 4 processor system, but IIS has 'known issues' like having to reboot 9 times a day for stupid things like 'message buffer full'. Not to
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ME SO HORNY!
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Anonymous Coward
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OH! ME SO HORNY! ME SO HORNY! ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME! YOU PARTY SAILOR?!
(Score: -1, Stupid)
;)
Re:ME SO HORNY!
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Anonymous Coward
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It was a funny southpark last night.
Re:News scoops aren't always good
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KrON
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There is a package out there called ASP2PHP. It *surprise,surprise* convests ASP to PHP. Search freshmeat for it.
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Re:Apache ?
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Anonymous Coward
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I thought everybody was moving to IIS which is much much better.
Haha, funny!
IIS doesn't run on top of BSD or any other Unix, so it's not an option for most websites.
And please check out Netcraft's survey to see how IIS' marketshare has dropped during the last half year.
Re:Need for ASP
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Anonymous Coward
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I take it you've never actually met any sys admins in your life. Complaining about your users' demands is a job prerequisite.
Re: does Micros~1 sign your paycheck?
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poopie
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if I were to guess, I'd think Micros~1 has some full time propaganda artists surfing slashdot and padding it with flamebait these days.
Too bad they can't write code to make their OS better....
Re:Sorry, I'm [also] OT but...
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broter
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I wonder howmany AC posts have been coming from 207.46.130 these last two days. It'd be worth knowing.
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uptime
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Anonymous Coward
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We have this Insight 486/66 at work that probably has over 6 months of win95 uptime. Its been doing data acquisition and running a Varian gas chromatograph. It has to go down sometime soon, to replace the cooling fan which is making a horrible grinding sound. Strangely enough its still using the win95 upgrade, and not OSR2.
Re:uptime
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Anonymous Coward
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Nooo! You have to find a way to hot-swap that fan... this is some kind of record. Don't let it go down.
Give me a URL.. I searched over http://apache.org and couldn't find information on any such support for Active Server Pages. Not to mention I'd think MS wouldn't be too happy if Apache supported it?
-- "Old man yells at systemd"
Slashdot...faster than reality
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HP+LoveJet
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I was looking at this story and scratching my head in confusion, since I had ftp.apache.org/dist open in a browser window and I knew there was no 1.3.9 there...then I reloaded and, of course, there it was.
It's official: Reading Slashdot is actually better than relying on primary sources.
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Hmmm. First release since 1.3.6?
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Stonehand
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If that 1.3 Changelog is correct, then all previous versions of Apache had memory leaks in various places as well as a distinct segfault problem (since these were fixed in post 1.3.6 versions). That would strike me as odd, 'tho: perhaps they released intermittent fixes?
Sounds like something the various distro maintainers should obtain ASAP, at least if they expect customers who wish to run decently loaded HTTP servers with fewer worries.
-- Only the dead have seen the end of war.
drooling buffoons
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Anonymous Coward
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Make your OS free, we'll make our SW free. Get it?
Wow, it seems that someone has a lot of time to extoll the virtues of Microsoft products today. Didn't there used to be a log of which domains had connected to Slashdot....?
Top this, commercial software...
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Anonymous Coward
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Only in the OpenSource, free-software community would you get a great product like this, news about it before they even update their webpage and get it all for free. It puts a smile on my face and a tear in my eye... excuse me.. no, no- I just have something in my eye, I'll be alright... -- "Time not important, only life important" -The Fifth Element -- -- -- -- --
A Howard Roark among sysadmins?
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Anonymous Coward
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There's a reason the distribution file was put on the site silently, and not yet officially announced. It's called "letting the 250+ mirrors get it so it's in place world-wide when the announcement is made 24 hours later."
Thanks to this premature unofficial announcement, the main Apache system is getting slashdotted and the mirrors have to compete just to get the files. So no-one is really getting any advantage from the world-wide distributed availability.
The official announcement should be made through all the usual channels (USENET, the apache-announce list, et cetera) sometime to-morrow (Friday) afternoon.
If you can possibly restrain yourself, please wait until to-morrow and go through the mirror system.. thanks!
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Re:News scoops aren't always good
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Garpenlov
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Funny, the exact same thing has happened before on Slashdot. (I think with kernel 2.2.0 or something similar).
But who cares about letting the mirrors get updated and not killing the main servers when you can be FIRST post|news story|downloader? Its a common theme here.
I checkout Freshmeat much less frequently than/., and the type of news I see on here has always suited me. Plus, doesn't on of the user settings let you filter software? A.
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Why is it just the "linux community"?
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lgn
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What about FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris or anything else? Why just linux?
Okay;) So anyone know of when there will be a Apache release that works reasonably well on BeOS? It'd be interesting to see some serving benchmarks as compared to *BSD, Linux and Solaris
There are some really poor posts happening today... Well, I'm going to add another one.
IMHO, this article shouldn't be on Slashdot! It should be here. If I want to look up software updates (Even epic ones like Apache), I go to Freshmeat. And thanks to the cool slashboxes, I don't even need to -go- to the site. Does anyone agree with me?
I'll refrain from making any comments about Andover.net.
I would have to agree with you on this. FM is for software releases,/. is for news.
Now, in some rare cases, a software release may be news (Linux releases a NEW major-rev, not just another patch-level for 2.2.x, etc.), but by and large, these announcements aren't news, they're FM material...
I am a nerd. This is news to me. Rob and/or Hemos thought it was newsworthy, and so do I. That is two nerds that think this is news (plural of "nerd" is "nerds", BTW).
I am also a programmer and sysadmin who maintains an Apache server. The fact that they released a new version was unknown to me until I read it here. As part of my job, this info concerns me very much. Therefore it matters to me.
I guess this article fulfills the only obligations that this site must fullfill, namely: 1. at least two nerds must think that this is news 2. it must matter to at least one of those nerds
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-- If only "common" sense was actually that common...
Why skip version number? Why not just fix the problems and release it as 1.3.7 when it is good enough?
But I think MS is using this system for version on NT, they first planned on NT5 but realized it was impossoble and they needed 1995 more releases before it was stable.
-- who shot the cat in the hat to experiment is insane
'ccording to the log, they were never released. Which, frankly, disturbs me based on a quick reading of the log (mind you, I'm not a web admin) -- here's to hoping that the bug fixes in those versions weren't for anything frequently tripped.
I'm the webmaster/sysadmin for an ISP that has a few customers that all but demand ASP support and there is no way I want to setup and admin an NT box just for these people. I'm am awaiting anxiously the day I can run ASP pages on my lovely Apache box without paying through the nose for those ASP on Linux products.
Get mod_perl and the Apache::ASP module. IT gives you 95% of the ASP object module, including response, request, session, application objects, and embedded scripting in Perl.
It's not just the "linux community"
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That's just the overall bias.
Just as Unix development, and Open Source development in particular, is biased towards the GNU utilities and the Linux kernel.
There is regular BSD coverage here, if you read back more than a day. There's also irregular BeOS and Windoze coverage, but really it's a case of "all the news that's fit to grok".
Re:ASP->JSP on the way
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Hey all,
I'm currently working on an ASP->JSP translator. An initial release should be available in the October/November time frame.
The translator will do pretty much everything but COM objects (save that for version 2): VBScript becomes Java, ADO becomes JDBC, and the ASP runtime environment (Session, Response, etc) will be mapped to (or wrapped by, haven't gotten there yet) the JSP runtime environment.
The translator will be open source, of course. I'm targeting GNUJSP as my reference implementation. So... if anyone's willing to help out (perhaps with porting some of the 80+ ASP global functions to Java), pop me an email at hardcorejon@hardcorejon.com
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One brief sidenote I forgot:
I'm using ANTLR (www.antlr.org) as my parser- and lexer- generator, and it ROCKS. I *highly* recommend it for any non-trivial parsing jobs.
Is not a valid IPv4 address. there are only 3 octets.. 207.46.130.* would be a class C subdomain, but I'm sure Micros~1 has more then 256 computers on the network. I know MS has plans to 'subvert' internet protocols, but that's a little rediculis:) "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Slashdot Mirror
... is it really necessary to announce each piece of software on ./ ... well, although if it is Apache, then ...
Is "Webiste" anything like "Artiste"?
-- adr
Try Apache's own notes on performance, by Dean Gaudet. Hope that helps.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
We have this Insight 486/66 at work that probably has over 6 months of win95 uptime.
Umm...not that I mean to question your word, but what about that 49 day bug? You know, where win95 was supposed to crash after 49 days (as acknowledged by Microsoft)?
dylan_-
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Thanks to this premature unofficial announcement, the main Apache system is getting slashdotted and the mirrors have to compete just to get the files. So no-one is really getting any advantage from the world-wide distributed availability.
Please, don't get so melodramatic. ftp access can be controlled so I don't think they are being slashdotted. My guess is that mirror servers don't use anonymous account in the Apache server so I don't actually compete with them.
I can wait for the main file but I was happy to download ftp.apache.org/dist/CHANGES_1.3 (~300kB) so I'm grateful for the link.
>I don't understand why so many people are getting upset with slashdot >announcing the release of cool software for the linux community.
Because then they (these people are trolls from microsoft you know) can't then claim there are no apps for linux. You see, they *REALLY* object to the fact that Slashdot isn't a pro-mircosoft site, because you can't buy the kind of attention that Slashdot generates on certain topics. Just look at the PR nightmare the Win2000 test challenge created for Microsoft. Everybody pretty much knows that the real intent of this was another Mindcraft-type attack on Linux/BSD despite what Microsoft and it's allies are now running around asserting. Unfortunely for Microsoft, it blew up in their face *BIG TIME*.
Mindless elitism.
Since when is BeOS an operating system intended for webserving?
i suppose mindcraft proved IIS is better than um, samba or zeus on a 4 processor system, but IIS has 'known issues' like having to reboot 9 times a day for stupid things like 'message buffer full'
The tests were redone with support from both sides by PC Magazine. Don't write off the results as Mindcraft bias.
Oh, by the way, do you think the Dell commerce site gets rebooted 9 times a day?
I agree whole hartedly!! But I am running a website... not a benchmark. I have more to serve than just stick files.. but if I ever need to server static files over four subnets and don't have to worry about up time... I will definately get IIS.
And you got it wrong... Apache isn't a half-product... it isn't a product at all... it's free... it's a working webserver. Maybe if MS thought of IS as a working webserver rather than a product... do will do more to improve it rather than just look for benchmark hype.
I thought the big thing added in 2.0 was going to be the choice to have a single multi-threaded process instead of spawning separate processes...
Maybe I'm wrong...
Actually, based on personal experience, windows NT 3.51 boxes make by far the best doorstops. Especially if you can get an older model compaq, perhaps an original Prosignia, with the pentium-60 complete with the fdiv math bug. Those weigh in at 30 or 40 pounds, and make great doorstops, as well as end tables, foot rests, etc. :) caleb
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I would suggest we examine the forces that feed those demands for ASP support from ISP's customers -- It's Frontpage driving it, isn't it? There needs to be a suite of web page dev tools that assume PHP3 or JSP or servlets or even mod_perl stuff on the back end that have the ease of use of a consumer product. That development effort would be much more productive than trying to support ASP.
It's:
imports java.io.*;
There was a typo in the original release, and it wasn't caught. It's hung around since then.
--Raelin
Blah I can't get my sig to work, it won't fit.
Zut, alors!
Have a look at
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/w ebpt/noframes.html
In short, yes, Apaches is probably the least of your problems and as it has been shown already for real world applications it is fast enough.
Yes, Of course. Get IIS and it will rock. There were two independent test that proved IIS superiority over that half-product called Apache
What I want to know is this: is it worth the trouble to upgrade from 1.3.6? If so, can I just build a new httpd and drop it in on top of my 1.3.6 install?
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O'Reilly to the rescue. Have a look at
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/w ebpt/noframes.html for web performance tuning and
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/spt /noframes.html
for system performance tuning.And remember, you can tune a filesystem (tunefs(1M) in Solaris) but you can't tune a fish.
1.3 is not the right web server to choose if you want a flying gas can. Still, there is a performance tuning doc at http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/pe rf-tuning.html
Not sure why the fuss is anyway, it's not like they jumped an entire version - they skipped a couple of revisions.
=DIVIDE BY CUCUMBER ERROR: REINSTALL UNIVERSE AND REBOOT=
That was a reply to the poster, nothing more. I wasn't making a statement, or generalizing about slashdot, it's readers or stories. I just saw no mention of any other operating system, and how this was all for the "linux community".
Woohoo! New apache! Rejoice!
"Old man yells at systemd"
There sits my ISP, running Apache 1.2.1 Clipper.net Now, I ask you, is that pathetic or WHAT?!?!
ROFL
Sure, you can download cygwin, which allows you to target the cygwin POSIX portability layer or the native win32 API. Alternatively, you can get mingw which supports native apps only. I use the cygwin version of gcc exclusively--the output isn't as fast as that of Visual C++, but it compiles something rather close to standard C++ (unlike VC++, which still mishandles "for" scoping, returns NULL when "new" fails, and has tremendous problems with templates).
Thank you Apache group for releasing another great product.
Portability is easy... you just stick the nonportable stuff in a couple of small files for each system and forget about it. I write stuff that's portable to both without any trouble. Even if you really on proprietary UNIX/Linux stuff rather than just standard C++ libraries, it's still not a big deal. As you point out, GCC is available for Windows. If you don't need expensive IDEs under Linux, you don't need them for win32.
Loosers....anyways. Gotta love apache, nice product, glad it is still chugging away, although, just what else can they add to it? Also, I am looking for an apahce performance guide, how to make it a flying gas can, if you know what I mean.
Portability is easy... you just stick the nonportable stuff in a couple of small files for each system and forget about it. I write stuff that's portable to both without any trouble. Even if you really on proprietary UNIX/Linux stuff rather than just standard C++ libraries, it's still not a big deal.
As you point out, GCC is available for Windows. If you don't need expensive IDEs under Linux, you don't need them for win32.
Do we have ASP support yet!?
Heh, probably because its on a windows 98 box... while the server itself may be incredible and virtually uncrashable, i wish i could say the same for the underlying OS
And then theres the fact the machine is on the Marist College network, which is pretty shoddy anyway =)
Cya
Can someone please point me to some info on tuning apache for the best possible performance?
Cool, I'm getting this one. Lots of juicy Win32 improvements. I must commend Apache on their non-hatred of Windows and its users. We aren't all drooling buffoons who don't know computers from our asses. Some developer policies regarding Windows are kind of mean-spirited; take the mySQL win32 version for example. Why don't more developers try to port the Open Source philosophy to Windows. Makes y'all seem kind of hypocritical when the Linux versions are free and the Win32 versions cost wads of cash. Regards, --
Apache is a killer app for Linux. Hence a new release is important news.
I scan freshmeat, but everyday there are about 100 entries about lame kde frontends to e.g., tar. Important software announcements sometimes get lost in the noise.
I don't understand why so many people are getting upset with slashdot announcing the release of cool software for the linux community. As far as I've been able to tell, this site is for the news geeks (namely Commander Taco) like, especially geeks who like linux.
News is not limited to a new smaller version of the keyboard, or a 60 mile balloon collecting anti-matter to make bombs, or even a new all "open" female porn site.
I find it interesting when a new version of the kernel is released. I also like to hear about the release of major applications like Apache, KDE, Gnome, etc, and cool games like Civ:Call to Power, et.al.
Sure, this overlaps a bit with Freshmeat. And I go to freshmeat if I want to find new versions smaller applications.
However, if you want to get rid of all overlapping from slashdot, then slashdot would not exist. Everything they post, save John Katz articles, can easily be found elsewhere. But the point of slashdot is so we don't have to go elsewhere to find the cool news.
Oh well...
Quack
nobody said *anything* about superior technology.
1.3.7 was found to have problems before it was released to the beta testers. 1.3.8 was found to have problems after it was released to the beta testers and the fixes for those took it to 1.3.9.
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I think its funny that /. had news on the new Apache server before Apache had news on their own server.
I guess the last two months of my life coding Java servlets has all been a dream then. I really think that servlets are supported on Apache since I've been running them for some time.
>Yes it is. But we are Open source so we love EVERYBODY!!!!!:-)
That's where we get the interesting diseases from....
Have you checked out Halcyon's InstantASP or ChiliSoft's ASP implementation? Actually, ChiliSoft won't be supporting Linux 'til the end of 99, but they're already viable on several Unices. Also, if you're looking for something for the ASP-hosting crowd, ChiliSoft's product does FP & FP2000.
They'll realize that ASP is a bloated, worthless, broken, badly-supported technology that rarely works at all, much less works correctly, and switch to something simpler, cheaper, and a million times more versatile. Namely, anything.
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There is an ASP to PHP converter, and an ASP addon for mod_perl.
Also, Apache does support servlets with the jserv module available from java.apache.org. There is even JSP, and GSP which i like better. Available from www.bitmechanic.com/gsp -Lkb
Ya know, whatever happened to letting Rob Malda post what *he* wants to? I mean, it is *his* site, right? He created it, didn't he? If I were Rob and I spent all of my time working on this great site I sure as hell wouldn't want readers telling me what is and isn't appropriate to post here.
Be grateful! (Not that you were being outright rude... I'm just sick of all you people being so judgemental about a site that you didn't create/maintain.)
If you don't like what he's doing with it, go somewhere else! Or better yet, create your own damn site!
From the ChangeLog:
*) Add the new mass-vhost module (mod_vhost_alias.c) developed and
used by Demon Internet, Ltd. [Tony Finch ]
Yay!!!!! I've been waiting on this one. Does anybody know how well it works, performance increases over specifying each and every virtual host? This is useful to our site which is currently running about 1500 virtual hosts that are mostly similar (yes, it's a pain in the ass.)
-jay
10 goto freshmeat
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syntax error in 10
Meme of the day: I browse "Disable Sigs: Checked". So should you.
There's Cygwin, as Stonehand suggested-- which would probably be the best choice if you're porting a Unix-native app (there's a runtime library that the compiled programs will need, that provides the Unix services missing from Windows).
:-)
If you want to write Windows-native apps, however, using the Win32 API and linked to the standard Windows libraries, Mingw32 is the one to go with. It's a GCC port, IIRC, rewritten to work with Windows.
You might want to have a look at LCCWIN, but I'm not sure what the tradeoffs are with that one. All I know is that it's popular for compiling Quake plug-ins
iSKUNK!
The changes file runs to 108 pages when I print it. Srongly recommended that you print only if absolutely necessary.
I can't wait to get this installed on my Win32 box! 1.3.6 has been completely stable for two months now on this box.
D. Keith Higgs
CWRU. Kelvin Smith Library
My office has been taken over by iPod people.
At least I know I'm not part of the problem...and I won't be until the apache+ssl patches for 1.3.9 are out. :)
spawn_of_yog_sothoth
Hey, Slashdot wouldn't be so popular if Rob n' co. didn't listen to "What the people want". In this case, it seems the majority of people want to hear about killer app releases, so we will hear about killer app releases. I'm sure that Rob would not claim that everything about slashdot was -his idea-.
Wah!
Apache is a very important piece of software for the Open Source community. Apache is one of the main pieces of software on nearly every Linux box out there. Apache runs over half the world's web servers. I'd say a new release is news. Plus, freshmeat is mostly loaded full of minor version releases of software no one cares about, nor notices. The signal to noise ratio on FM is very low, IMHO.
If that many people hate this type of thing, I suggest making a new section heading called "Software Releases" so that people who don't want to see them can block them out in their preferences..
Pass the suggestion on to CmdrTaco yourself. I'm tired today for some reason...
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Apache has got to be the major reason why so many businesses (like the one I work for) use Linux (and other free *nixes). Any minor release of this excellent bit of software is worthy of mention. I'm very interested in seeing the changelog, but it's /.'d at the mo!
BTW: Win* Apache is excellent! IIS watch out!
Debian potato: a new gcc every week
anybody using it? yes its the most popular server software in the world...
um...please, you have to work for microsoft or something.
i suppose mindcraft proved IIS is better than um, samba or zeus on a 4 processor system, but IIS has 'known issues' like having to reboot 9 times a day for stupid things like 'message buffer full'. Not to
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modssl-2.4.0-1.3.9 is out..
The apache website does have news about 1.3.9 here. Rikard
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hey josh, stop reading slashdot
There is a package out there called ASP2PHP. It *surprise,surprise* convests ASP to PHP. Search freshmeat for it.
You don't exist. Go away. --SysVinit Halt
I thought everybody was moving to IIS which is much much better.
Haha, funny!
IIS doesn't run on top of BSD or any other Unix, so it's not an option for most websites.
And please check out Netcraft's survey to see how IIS' marketshare has dropped during the last half year.
I take it you've never actually met any sys admins in your life. Complaining about your users' demands is a job prerequisite.
if I were to guess, I'd think Micros~1 has some full time propaganda artists surfing slashdot and padding it with flamebait these days.
Too bad they can't write code to make their OS better....
I wonder howmany AC posts have been coming from 207.46.130 these last two days. It'd be worth knowing.
"One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place."
- Mick Travis, "If..."
We have this Insight 486/66 at work that probably has over 6 months of win95 uptime. Its been doing data acquisition and running a Varian gas chromatograph. It has to go down sometime soon, to replace the cooling fan which is making a horrible grinding sound. Strangely enough its still using the win95 upgrade, and not OSR2.
isn't that a M$ thing?
(I realize that was a dumb/bad question, but... I felt the need to know)
Insert mind here.
It's official: Reading Slashdot is actually better than relying on primary sources.
spawn_of_yog_sothoth
If that 1.3 Changelog is correct, then all previous versions of Apache had memory leaks in various places as well as a distinct segfault problem (since these were fixed in post 1.3.6 versions). That would strike me as odd, 'tho: perhaps they released intermittent fixes?
Sounds like something the various distro maintainers should obtain ASAP, at least if they expect customers who wish to run decently loaded HTTP servers with fewer worries.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Make your OS free, we'll make our SW free. Get it?
Wow, it seems that someone has a lot of time to extoll the virtues of Microsoft products today. Didn't there used to be a log of which domains had connected to Slashdot....?
Only in the OpenSource, free-software community would you get a great product like this, news about it before they even update their webpage and get it all for free. It puts a smile on my face and a tear in my eye... excuse me.. no, no- I just have something in my eye, I'll be alright... -- "Time not important, only life important" -The Fifth Element -- -- -- -- --
Could it be?
http://www.chillisoft.com/
There's a reason the distribution file was put on the site silently, and not yet officially announced. It's called "letting the 250+ mirrors get it so it's in place world-wide when the announcement is made 24 hours later."
Thanks to this premature unofficial announcement, the main Apache system is getting slashdotted and the mirrors have to compete just to get the files. So no-one is really getting any advantage from the world-wide distributed availability.
The official announcement should be made through all the usual channels (USENET, the apache-announce list, et cetera) sometime to-morrow (Friday) afternoon.
If you can possibly restrain yourself, please wait until to-morrow and go through the mirror system.. thanks!
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I checkout Freshmeat much less frequently than /., and the type of news I see on here has always suited me. Plus, doesn't on of the user settings let you filter software? A.
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What about FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris or anything else? Why just linux?
Okay ;) So anyone know of when there will be a Apache release that works reasonably well on BeOS? It'd be interesting to see some serving benchmarks as compared to *BSD, Linux and Solaris
IMHO, this article shouldn't be on Slashdot! It should be here. If I want to look up software updates (Even epic ones like Apache), I go to Freshmeat. And thanks to the cool slashboxes, I don't even need to -go- to the site. Does anyone agree with me?
I'll refrain from making any comments about Andover.net.
Wah!
Weird.
-D
yay!
Good reigns again!
Insert mind here.
I'm the webmaster/sysadmin for an ISP that has a few customers that all but demand ASP support and there is no way I want to setup and admin an NT box just for these people. I'm am awaiting anxiously the day I can run ASP pages on my lovely Apache box without paying through the nose for those ASP on Linux products.
Implemented in Perl.
Get mod_perl and the Apache::ASP module. IT gives you 95% of the ASP object module, including response, request, session, application objects, and embedded scripting in Perl.
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The changelog is at ftp://ftp.apache.org/dist/CHANGES_1.3, for those of you too lazy to look for it.
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That's just the overall bias.
Just as Unix development, and Open Source development in particular, is biased towards the GNU utilities and the Linux kernel.
There is regular BSD coverage here, if you read back more than a day. There's also irregular BeOS and Windoze coverage, but really it's a case of "all the news that's fit to grok".
Hey all,
I'm currently working on an ASP->JSP translator. An initial release should be available in the October/November time frame.
The translator will do pretty much everything but COM objects (save that for version 2): VBScript becomes Java, ADO becomes JDBC, and the ASP runtime environment (Session, Response, etc) will be mapped to (or wrapped by, haven't gotten there yet) the JSP runtime environment.
The translator will be open source, of course. I'm targeting GNUJSP as my reference implementation. So... if anyone's willing to help out (perhaps with porting some of the 80+ ASP global functions to Java), pop me an email at hardcorejon@hardcorejon.com
One brief sidenote I forgot:
I'm using ANTLR (www.antlr.org) as my parser- and lexer- generator, and it ROCKS. I *highly* recommend it for any non-trivial parsing jobs.
- jonathan.
Is not a valid IPv4 address. there are only 3 octets.. 207.46.130.* would be a class C subdomain, but I'm sure Micros~1 has more then 256 computers on the network. I know MS has plans to 'subvert' internet protocols, but that's a little rediculis :)
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
ReadThe ReflectionEngine, a cyberpunk style n
There's always the ASP to PHP converter :) http://home.i1.net/~naken/asp2php/