Note too that an awful lot of what is claimed to be good about the language in question is projected for Perl 6. Larry just hasn't got to that part yet.
Okay, so you'll still have @$% and friends, but so what? Personally I/like/ the easy interpolation into strings that that gives me.
Of course, to really get the advantage from Perl, you'll probably have to start messing with fairly high level conceptual stuff.
People just seem to have a problem getting their heads 'round the likes of pointers. A big difference between Perl and C is that you can get a lot done in Perl before you have to start using pointers/references, so when you do start to need them you are at least comfortable with the rest of the language.
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But what about the 14 year-old Irish girl who discovered something or rather about encryption. Remember her, from a couple of year ago?
Where is she now? What happened to her research?
She has a book out, called In Code if memory serves. It seems her stuff was genuine.
Um... what do you mean by 'fame and renown' in this context? The wider world where fame and renown happens has probably never even heard of half the 'famous' people.
Famous for documentation:
Laura Lemay (ghod help us) Don Knuth Stevens ESR (I don't really want to count Ms Lemay)
Bugger, just realised that I forgot John Lions. And Rob Pike. And the Gang of Four. And Andy Tanenbaum (wrong about Linux perhaps, but his book on networking was superb). And Don Libes. And...
For code:
Larry Wall Ken Thompson Dennis Ritchie (though it could be argued that most of his 'wider' fame came because of k&r.)
Note that, with the possible exception of Ken, the programmers have all written good documentation in their time; if you don't document your code who is going to want to use it? About the only example of really widely used code with lousy documentation I can think of is sendmail in its earlier incarnations.
Not if you behave responsibly, no. Simon has the BOFH nature in spades, which is a good thing.
Of course, if, as you now admit, this box was nobody's responsibility, then I would conclude that it must suck to work for your employer since they seem to be incapable of administering their network effectively.
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In fact most [ISPs] make a loss, or are owned by telcos...
There are a very few ISPs that are making operating profits in the UK, but I think that the majority of those do very little in the way of dialup, choosing to concentrate more on leased lines, web serving and co-location. After all, since there's so little money to be made from serving hoi polloi it is far better to concentrate on providing a high quality service to corporations at a profitable price.
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Do you have to mock someone because of their personal wealth?
Nope, I don't have to. Doesn't stop me enjoying it occasionally. Get a grip why don't you?
However, I shall amplify my point for the slow of thinking.
If call charges were dropped then there would be more people online more of the time, which would mean that ISPs would need to buy lots more modems and phone lines. On top of that, more people online for more time would necessarily use more bandwidth, and bandwidth costs to ISPs are outrageous (Charlie is right when he reckons that a 64Kbps line in the UK costs about the same as a T1 in the US) mainly because of the astronomical cost of laying transatlantic cables. All these costs would have to be borne by the ISPs.
Back when I was still involved in the ISP we set up we realised that, if unmetered calls did come in, we would almost certainly be obliged to either jack up our subscription charges, introduce some form of metering of our own, or impose strict call time limits. Or go under.
IANAL, but I wonder what's going to happen about moderation in this thread and how it relates to the 'Quiet Period'?
Certainly if Rob (or anyone at Andover.net) were to comment, or moderate in this then ISTM that they might be deemed to be in breach of the 'Quiet Period'. The question is, if someone who is not associated with Andover.net, but who was selected to have some level of editorial control by a program that was written by an employee of Andover.net, what happens?
Whenever I have to fill in a form that wants to know my occupation I always put 'Professional Computer Nerd'. Sure it makes people laugh, but it does describe exactly what I am/do. I've not had my business cards printed up yet but that'll be one of the job titles on there.
Seriously, stand up, take the stereotype and make it a positive one. Don't let yourself be insulted because someone thinks you're clever, so what if they meant it as an insult, that's their problem.
Over here, (the UK) geeks and nerds, and nearly anyone who is interested in almost anything that's mentally demanding is labelled as 'sad'. I think not. If this is 'sad' then I'm Glad to be Sad. If this is what not having a life is then thanks, I'm not sure I need one, I'm having too much fun with the one I haven't got.
Assuming that we are dealing with fixed-width characters (which is probably a bad assumption these days), finding the length of a string is O(n), and doing a string compare of 2 strings is O(min(n,m)).
Err... finding the length of a string is trivial, it's simply the number of characters in it. Finding the length of that string's representation on the screen is a somewhat different problem.
Ah, now I love 'em. In fact I've just ordered myself a Maltron keyboard with a couple or three remaps to make it more Unix friendly. Yup, it's costing me 400 pounds, but the way I look at it that's about a day and a half's work and anything's better than being in a position where I can't work at all.
Sure, it may take a while to getting used to the g/h break that the split beasties use, but I've found that once I got used to that I'm much more comfortable using even this crappy old MS Natural keyboard than I am using a standard flatty.
Tell me, what is the minimum recommended distance between a bomb and your car's fuel tank?
And I'm sure the police would have been oh so pleased to have someone turning up and plonking a carrier bag on the desk and saying 'Um.. I found this bag; I think it's a bomb'
All those signs you see on the tube saying things like 'if you see an unattended bag leave it the hell alone and call the police' aren't there for laughs you know.
That particular moron almost certainly helped to destroy evidence. And, possibly worse, may be helping bring about a situation where someone caught with a bomb has the plausible defence of 'moving it to somewhere safer', which is definitely not good.
Say I have an automatic level of 4 and I follow up to a -1 post. What does this imply about my posting?
There are a couple of possible interpretations:
The -1 post is better than that, after all, I'm a fairly cool dude, my posts are automatically at level +4, so maybe we should bump the -1 post up to 0....
I'm responding to a flame. Which is usually not a cool thing to do. Maybe we should bump my post down a point.
Actually, there's rather more than two possible interpretations, but these two seem the most interesting. Certainly my GNUS scorefile has a rule which automatically lowers the score of any followups to posts with particularly low scores, and this set of rules works well for me.
As for the self-moderation downwards for certain posts, that definitely seems like a good idea. Encouraging moderation (in the sense of 'moderate behaviour') on the part of posters seems like a very good move to me.
I can't remember if the current code available for download is the same as the code which slashdot is running. (Probably not, how about an anonymous CVS of it Rob?), but the best way to get that kind of functionality in is surely to write it yourself and send Rob the patches.
It's certainly something I'd consider doing if I have sufficient appropriately shaped tuits.
Heh. The book is being serialized in the Financial Times. Check out http://www.ft.com/hippocampus/spgates.htm (it's a registration site, cypherpunk/cypherpunk works) and giggle as Billy boy eulogises 'digital numbers'.
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Note too that an awful lot of what is claimed to be good about the language in question is projected for Perl 6. Larry just hasn't got to that part yet.
/like/ the easy interpolation into strings that that gives me.
Okay, so you'll still have @$% and friends, but so what? Personally I
Of course, to really get the advantage from Perl, you'll probably have to start messing with fairly high level conceptual stuff.
People just seem to have a problem getting their heads 'round the likes of pointers. A big difference between Perl and C is that you can get a lot done in Perl before you have to start using pointers/references, so when you do start to need them you are at least comfortable with the rest of the language.
Err, that's not even vaguely true.
You've not played with mod_perl much have you?
Um... what do you mean by 'fame and renown' in this context? The wider world where fame and renown happens has probably never even heard of half the 'famous' people.
Famous for documentation:
Laura Lemay (ghod help us)
Don Knuth
Stevens
ESR (I don't really want to count Ms Lemay)
Bugger, just realised that I forgot John Lions. And Rob Pike. And the Gang of Four. And Andy Tanenbaum (wrong about Linux perhaps, but his book on networking was superb). And Don Libes. And...
For code:
Larry Wall
Ken Thompson
Dennis Ritchie (though it could be argued that most of his 'wider' fame came because of k&r.)
Note that, with the possible exception of Ken, the programmers have all written good documentation in their time; if you don't document your code who is going to want to use it? About the only example of really widely used code with lousy documentation I can think of is sendmail in its earlier incarnations.
Don Knuth
RMS
Brian Kernighan
Denis Ritchie
Hmm... wait a minute, it's the same list.
Not if you behave responsibly, no. Simon has the BOFH nature in spades, which is a good thing.
Of course, if, as you now admit, this box was nobody's responsibility, then I would conclude that it must suck to work for your employer since they seem to be incapable of administering their network effectively.
In fact most [ISPs] make a loss, or are owned by telcos...
There are a very few ISPs that are making operating profits in the UK, but I think that the majority of those do very little in the way of dialup, choosing to concentrate more on leased lines, web serving and co-location. After all, since there's so little money to be made from serving hoi polloi it is far better to concentrate on providing a high quality service to corporations at a profitable price.
Do you have to mock someone because of their personal wealth?
Nope, I don't have to. Doesn't stop me enjoying it occasionally. Get a grip why don't you?
However, I shall amplify my point for the slow of thinking.
If call charges were dropped then there would be more people online more of the time, which would mean that ISPs would need to buy lots more modems and phone lines. On top of that, more people online for more time would necessarily use more bandwidth, and bandwidth costs to ISPs are outrageous (Charlie is right when he reckons that a 64Kbps line in the UK costs about the same as a T1 in the US) mainly because of the astronomical cost of laying transatlantic cables. All these costs would have to be borne by the ISPs.
Back when I was still involved in the ISP we set up we realised that, if unmetered calls did come in, we would almost certainly be obliged to either jack up our subscription charges, introduce some form of metering of our own, or impose strict call time limits. Or go under.
IANAL, but I wonder what's going to happen about moderation in this thread and how it relates to the 'Quiet Period'?
Certainly if Rob (or anyone at Andover.net) were to comment, or moderate in this then ISTM that they might be deemed to be in breach of the 'Quiet Period'. The question is, if someone who is not associated with Andover.net, but who was selected to have some level of editorial control by a program that was written by an employee of Andover.net, what happens?
Personally, I'm not sure I want to go there...
You forgot Tommy Flowers. But then so does everybody else. Tommy designed and built Colossus, the first electronic computer in 194?.
Um... Evolution is merely change over time. There's no value judgment on that change.
Darwinian Evolution is gradual improvement over time (generations) through a process of natural selection or the survival of the fittest.
Cultural Evolution is usually not Darwinian Evolution.
Whenever I have to fill in a form that wants to know my occupation I always put 'Professional Computer Nerd'. Sure it makes people laugh, but it does describe exactly what I am/do. I've not had my business cards printed up yet but that'll be one of the job titles on there.
Seriously, stand up, take the stereotype and make it a positive one. Don't let yourself be insulted because someone thinks you're clever, so what if they meant it as an insult, that's their problem.
Over here, (the UK) geeks and nerds, and nearly anyone who is interested in almost anything that's mentally demanding is labelled as 'sad'. I think not. If this is 'sad' then I'm Glad to be Sad. If this is what not having a life is then thanks, I'm not sure I need one, I'm having too much fun with the one I haven't got.
Heh. I'm hoping he actually meant Apache...
Assuming that we are dealing with fixed-width characters (which is probably a bad assumption these days), finding the length of a string is O(n), and doing a string compare of 2 strings is O(min(n,m)).
Err... finding the length of a string is trivial, it's simply the number of characters in it. Finding the length of that string's representation on the screen is a somewhat different problem.
Yeah! Forget RSI, bedsores are the wave of the future...
Ah, now I love 'em. In fact I've just ordered myself a Maltron keyboard with a couple or three remaps to make it more Unix friendly. Yup, it's costing me 400 pounds, but the way I look at it that's about a day and a half's work and anything's better than being in a position where I can't work at all.
Sure, it may take a while to getting used to the g/h break that the split beasties use, but I've found that once I got used to that I'm much more comfortable using even this crappy old MS Natural keyboard than I am using a standard flatty.
Brave soul? Utter moron more like.
Tell me, what is the minimum recommended distance between a bomb and your car's fuel tank?
And I'm sure the police would have been oh so pleased to have someone turning up and plonking a carrier bag on the desk and saying 'Um.. I found this bag; I think it's a bomb'
All those signs you see on the tube saying things like 'if you see an unattended bag leave it the hell alone and call the police' aren't there for laughs you know.
That particular moron almost certainly helped to destroy evidence. And, possibly worse, may be helping bring about a situation where someone caught with a bomb has the plausible defence of 'moving it to somewhere safer', which is definitely not good.
There are a couple of possible interpretations:
- The -1 post is better than that, after all, I'm a fairly cool dude, my posts are automatically at level +4, so maybe we should bump the -1 post up to 0....
- I'm responding to a flame. Which is usually not a cool thing to do. Maybe we should bump my post down a point.
Actually, there's rather more than two possible interpretations, but these two seem the most interesting. Certainly my GNUS scorefile has a rule which automatically lowers the score of any followups to posts with particularly low scores, and this set of rules works well for me.As for the self-moderation downwards for certain posts, that definitely seems like a good idea. Encouraging moderation (in the sense of 'moderate behaviour') on the part of posters seems like a very good move to me.
I can't remember if the current code available for download is the same as the code which slashdot is running. (Probably not, how about an anonymous CVS of it Rob?), but the best way to get that kind of functionality in is surely to write it yourself and send Rob the patches.
It's certainly something I'd consider doing if I have sufficient appropriately shaped tuits.
Heh. The book is being serialized in the Financial Times. Check out http://www.ft.com/hippocampus/spgates.htm (it's a registration site, cypherpunk/cypherpunk works) and giggle as Billy boy eulogises 'digital numbers'.