While I think all 3 of you are accurate in predicting the typical user response, I still think a message clearly indicating what is wrong is still a lot better than a BSOD. There will always be users who disregard system messages, but I believe a warning message will educate more users than a BSOD.
"Its better they find out this way, than not at all" is not the correct reaction to this. This BOSD is going to happen to the layman a lot more frequently than a tech person. When a BSOD happens to a layman, they don't record the stop code and look it up to see what the error is. The layman will just take it to geeksquad/local tech kid/vendor tech support and say fix this its broken. They wont realize their machine was compromised. They wont change their computing habits so that their machines don't get infected in the future.
Assuming that the affected users will clean up their systems and become more secure is wishful thinking.
However (in a perfect world), if MS validated the files before patching/updating them, the user could be warned of their infection before their machine gets trashed. Maybe an error message saying "We detect that your machine is infected with a rootkit, all of your personal information is in danger of being stolen. Please install a firewall/update your browser/ run your AV". That way, instead of confusion and anger from a BSOD, the user will be educated and possibly secure their system.
I'm sure M$ puts this stuff through a lot of QA to ensure they don't release a update that causes a BSOD on a clean machine. Given the amount of malware infected/rooted/fucked up WIN32 machines out there, I would half-expect part of their QA team to validate updates/programs on infected machines.
I'm also surprised that none of their QA labs are infected with this rootkit.
Are you suggesting that the U.S. or its citizens commit malicious attacks against a possibly uninvolved Chinese company's networks?
Would you also purpose that the U.S. or its citizens commit suicide attacks against the nations of origin of those who commit terrorist acts in the U.S?
Your thought process is reactionary, and not wise. If we are to expect to live in a civilized world, we can't go around breaking the same laws and ethics we are trying to live by just because someone else does.
As children we should have learned that just because little Billy broke the rules doesn't mean we can.
As a civilization we should have evloved past an eye for an eye.
In the USA the local police department usually sponsors a fingerprint drive where elementary age kids get a coloring book or something for surrendering their fingerprints. Those records are kept in a central location. Moreover, to get any job with a state or federal employer, you must submit to digital fingerprinting. To get a drivers license you get your picture taken. All those biometrics are stored in a central location. Israel is just being smart about it and storing everything in a digital format. Less secure, maybe, but way easier to search through than a pile of papers in some filing cabinet.
So its really not that bad, unless you really want to live off the grid or something.
All he is saying is that if you want complete privacy you shouldn't be using the cloud or internet services. Everyone already knows this. Apply a real world scenario:
You are a criminal, and you don't want to be found. Intuitively you would not open a checking account under your real name, get a membership at the local fitness club, or do anything else that someone looking for you will use to find you.
How is Google any different? They have to abide by laws, that means surrendering user data when required legally by law enforcement (illegally is an entirely different matter). If you want complete privacy, don't use google. I never ever for one second think that what I type and send across the internet is private, unless it is explicitly said so and the connection is encrypted. I think that its pretty common sense to assume so.
I am a Computer Engineering student and for the past few years I have been interning at a Fortune 500. Don't act like an Intern. If you act like an Intern, you will always be looked at as an Intern. Remember, the goal of your internship is to possibly land a job at that company, or at least to have them recommend you to a new employer. You don't want everyone always telling you to do their odd jobs and shit, so show that you are more valuable than that. For the first few months or so, find someone that likes to teach, and become their student. Learn as much about corporate life as you do about technology. Then, start taking on projects of your own. Show that given a assignment, you can complete it and compile a report to present to your boss. Once they see that you are independent, you will be a valuable asset even though your technical skills may still need to develop.
And 8$/hr, wtf? I made more than that stocking cans at the local grocery store. Sorry to be such a dick but you are worth more than that. Are you working in China or India by any chance?
Amdahl's law is not like Moore's "law". Amdahl's law is an observation of mathematics. You can't ever get around the fact that if you increase the performance of 90% of the instructions in a program, you still have to deal with the other 10%. Even if you increase the performance of 90% of the instructions by 100x or something large, if the other 10% take a long time (like disk access) its going to kill your performance.
I finally figured out why you can't divide by zero; 10/2=5, 5/2=2.5, but if you use numbers smaller than one it is reversed; 1/.5=2, 1/.05=20, so anything divided by zero would be infinity. Is the universe infinite?
You can't divide by zero because it is irrational. Take a set of objects in you home and divide them into 0 groups. You are correct, however, that as you take the limit of x as it approaches zero, 1/x goes to infinity. Taking limits as numbers approach zero or infinity (positive or negative) is a fundamental of differential calculus. Limits is how we work around the cant divide by zero problem.
BTW, if you get a correct answer about the nature of the universe, let me know. I don't believe we have determined that yet.
Java has a concept of "new," but it doesn't have a "delete." (Well, the concept exists behind the cutain, but programmers never delete things themselves when using Java.)
finalize() is what the GC called to destroy an object. Every object inherits it from the Object class (duh), so if you want to do some memory management yourself, go ahead and give finalize() a call.
A0:Big news corp. tells public they must pay for content. GOTO A1
A1:Consumers don't want to pay for sub-par content. Consumers tell (by not giving big news corp their $$) big news corp. they will pay if content is worth paying for. GOTO A2
A2:Big news corp. tells consumers they must pay for content because big news corp. must pay "journalists" to create better content. GOTO A1
Yes, you can. Although you may have to apply a "let" suffix.
See:Natural Satellite.
"There is no established lower limit on what should be considered a moon. Every body with an identified orbit, some as small as a kilometer across, has been identified as a moon, though objects a tenth that size within Saturn's rings, which have not been directly observed, have been called moonlets. Small asteroid moons, such as Dactyl, have also been called moonlets."
From wikipedia:
"A corporationis legally a citizen of the state (or other jurisdiction) in which it is incorporated (except when circumstances direct the corporation be classified as a citizen of the state in which it has its head office, or the state in which it does the majority of its business)."
Corporations are protected under the Bill of Rights in the U.S., the same bill of rights that protects U.S. citizens.
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While I think all 3 of you are accurate in predicting the typical user response, I still think a message clearly indicating what is wrong is still a lot better than a BSOD. There will always be users who disregard system messages, but I believe a warning message will educate more users than a BSOD.
"Its better they find out this way, than not at all" is not the correct reaction to this. This BOSD is going to happen to the layman a lot more frequently than a tech person. When a BSOD happens to a layman, they don't record the stop code and look it up to see what the error is. The layman will just take it to geeksquad/local tech kid/vendor tech support and say fix this its broken. They wont realize their machine was compromised. They wont change their computing habits so that their machines don't get infected in the future.
Assuming that the affected users will clean up their systems and become more secure is wishful thinking.
However (in a perfect world), if MS validated the files before patching/updating them, the user could be warned of their infection before their machine gets trashed. Maybe an error message saying "We detect that your machine is infected with a rootkit, all of your personal information is in danger of being stolen. Please install a firewall/update your browser/ run your AV". That way, instead of confusion and anger from a BSOD, the user will be educated and possibly secure their system.
I'm sure M$ puts this stuff through a lot of QA to ensure they don't release a update that causes a BSOD on a clean machine. Given the amount of malware infected/rooted/fucked up WIN32 machines out there, I would half-expect part of their QA team to validate updates/programs on infected machines.
I'm also surprised that none of their QA labs are infected with this rootkit.
Are you suggesting that the U.S. or its citizens commit malicious attacks against a possibly uninvolved Chinese company's networks?
Would you also purpose that the U.S. or its citizens commit suicide attacks against the nations of origin of those who commit terrorist acts in the U.S?
Your thought process is reactionary, and not wise. If we are to expect to live in a civilized world, we can't go around breaking the same laws and ethics we are trying to live by just because someone else does.
As children we should have learned that just because little Billy broke the rules doesn't mean we can.
As a civilization we should have evloved past an eye for an eye.
In the USA the local police department usually sponsors a fingerprint drive where elementary age kids get a coloring book or something for surrendering their fingerprints. Those records are kept in a central location. Moreover, to get any job with a state or federal employer, you must submit to digital fingerprinting. To get a drivers license you get your picture taken. All those biometrics are stored in a central location. Israel is just being smart about it and storing everything in a digital format. Less secure, maybe, but way easier to search through than a pile of papers in some filing cabinet.
So its really not that bad, unless you really want to live off the grid or something.
All he is saying is that if you want complete privacy you shouldn't be using the cloud or internet services. Everyone already knows this. Apply a real world scenario:
You are a criminal, and you don't want to be found. Intuitively you would not open a checking account under your real name, get a membership at the local fitness club, or do anything else that someone looking for you will use to find you.
How is Google any different? They have to abide by laws, that means surrendering user data when required legally by law enforcement (illegally is an entirely different matter). If you want complete privacy, don't use google. I never ever for one second think that what I type and send across the internet is private, unless it is explicitly said so and the connection is encrypted. I think that its pretty common sense to assume so.
I am a Computer Engineering student and for the past few years I have been interning at a Fortune 500.
Don't act like an Intern. If you act like an Intern, you will always be looked at as an Intern. Remember, the goal of your internship is to possibly land a job at that company, or at least to have them recommend you to a new employer. You don't want everyone always telling you to do their odd jobs and shit, so show that you are more valuable than that. For the first few months or so, find someone that likes to teach, and become their student. Learn as much about corporate life as you do about technology. Then, start taking on projects of your own. Show that given a assignment, you can complete it and compile a report to present to your boss. Once they see that you are independent, you will be a valuable asset even though your technical skills may still need to develop. And 8$/hr, wtf? I made more than that stocking cans at the local grocery store. Sorry to be such a dick but you are worth more than that. Are you working in China or India by any chance?
Amdahl's law is not like Moore's "law". Amdahl's law is an observation of mathematics. You can't ever get around the fact that if you increase the performance of 90% of the instructions in a program, you still have to deal with the other 10%. Even if you increase the performance of 90% of the instructions by 100x or something large, if the other 10% take a long time (like disk access) its going to kill your performance.
I finally figured out why you can't divide by zero; 10/2=5, 5/2=2.5, but if you use numbers smaller than one it is reversed; 1/.5=2, 1/.05=20, so anything divided by zero would be infinity. Is the universe infinite?
You can't divide by zero because it is irrational. Take a set of objects in you home and divide them into 0 groups. You are correct, however, that as you take the limit of x as it approaches zero, 1/x goes to infinity. Taking limits as numbers approach zero or infinity (positive or negative) is a fundamental of differential calculus. Limits is how we work around the cant divide by zero problem. BTW, if you get a correct answer about the nature of the universe, let me know. I don't believe we have determined that yet.
I didn't RTFA or This one, but it looks similar.
Java has a concept of "new," but it doesn't have a "delete." (Well, the concept exists behind the cutain, but programmers never delete things themselves when using Java.)
finalize() is what the GC called to destroy an object. Every object inherits it from the Object class (duh), so if you want to do some memory management yourself, go ahead and give finalize() a call.
A0:Big news corp. tells public they must pay for content. GOTO A1
A1:Consumers don't want to pay for sub-par content. Consumers tell (by not giving big news corp their $$) big news corp. they will pay if content is worth paying for. GOTO A2
A2:Big news corp. tells consumers they must pay for content because big news corp. must pay "journalists" to create better content. GOTO A1
Thats just how I see the situation.
See:Natural Satellite. "There is no established lower limit on what should be considered a moon. Every body with an identified orbit, some as small as a kilometer across, has been identified as a moon, though objects a tenth that size within Saturn's rings, which have not been directly observed, have been called moonlets. Small asteroid moons, such as Dactyl, have also been called moonlets."
For all who think Obama stands for change, YOUR WRONG.He voted yes. Yes to the immunity that he said he would oppose. He is just as useless as Bush.
A corporation is a person.
From wikipedia: "A corporationis legally a citizen of the state (or other jurisdiction) in which it is incorporated (except when circumstances direct the corporation be classified as a citizen of the state in which it has its head office, or the state in which it does the majority of its business)."
Corporations are protected under the Bill of Rights in the U.S., the same bill of rights that protects U.S. citizens.
You do know that Japan was also at war with the UK in WWII, right? I would have liked to see the UK defeat or pacify Japan without the US.