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Google Attackers Identified as Chinese Government
forand writes Researchers, examining the attacks on Google and over 20 other companies in December, have determined 'the source IPs and drop server of the attack correspond to a single foreign entity consisting either of agents of the Chinese state or proxies thereof.'"
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âoeAny society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
It couldn't be them. China would never do anything wrong.
That... or they'll just blame it on their status as a "developing nation" and that they shouldn't be held to the same standards as everyone else.
...dun dun duuuuuuunnnnnn... (cheesy cliffhanger music)
Oh there's a big surprise! That's an incredible - I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die of not surprise!
now that its clear that the attackers were government agents the question is what will the US state department do.
I for one welcome our new asian overlords!!!
If that does not generate a stern response of some western politicians it will be a very bad sign
It's hardly a secret that governments conduct cyber-espionage - what seems shocking in this instance is that they have been caught and that a major company, a telecoms giant and the US government have all gone on the offensive. This seems like a pretty dramatic shift, and you have to wonder what China's really done to provoke such a reaction after everyone's spent the last decade quietly appeasing them to try and get a foothold in their markets. It sounds like reading the subject lines of a few Chinese activists' emails is only the tip of the ice berg in this case, it'll be interesting to see what else has yet to be revealed.
This is probably why Google has threaten to leave China in the first place. Just using the filtering issue as the public excuse.
Until the "independent" hackers turn into criminal gangs and/or rebels and turn on them.
So what are we going to do about it? By we, I mean we as:
1. a body of corporations (those 20 or so affected)
2. a nation
3. a global community of nations (UN)
4. a cybercommunity
What can we do, and what is most likely to happen?
If a foreign government had attacked non-digital assets of any US corporation, you would expect some kind of formal reprisal. Maybe not an airdrop of Marines, but certainly something more than Hilary Clinton threatening to write a stern letter.
What I have not doped out yet to my own satisfaction is whether the tepid response from Washington is the fault of the current administration, confusion regarding the digital nature of the breach and assets, or a little of both.
Who didn't see that one coming from a mile away? I called it the moment I read that there was a sophisticated attack on Google.
Whether its all fabricated or not, I like the idea of Google pulling out of China. Google is one of the leading innovators in the western world - and by keeping their services out of China it sends a message to the government: Stop Oppression.
and tell them how proud you are that they finally took a stance befitting their "do no evil" stance. Better late than never, and they deserve our support for this courageous action. I for one have changed my mind about them significantly based on this single action alone.
Doesn't surprise me. Doesn't everyone know that it was them all along?
google builds self-destructing data-centers that explode and erase all data when the chinese seize them...
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
Does this come as a surprise to anyone?
"The two most abundant elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity." -Harlan Ellison
God damn mongorians, tear down my shitty (fire)wok! /southpark
If the EU can fine a US company for what amounted to unfair business practices, what should the US do to China? Debt? What debt?
Google: Stop Probing me!
Chinese: Respect My Authorita!
Google: Follow your own **** law. Screw you guys! I'm going home!
Idiot AC is trying to troll by calling others trolls. Amen.
I know it was you, China. You broke my heart. You broke my heart!
sincerely,
Google.
What if the Chinese government feared that Google was being used to engage in espionage against its interests? (either by US intelligence authorities, or other actors, like Taiwan?) Hasn't Slashdot reported for years about hardware and software backdoors being mandated by government? Is it so hard to believe that the NSA might pressure Google (or, surreptitiously alter google.cn) to engage in espionage for the United States?
Working for a Defense contractor, one of our systems was compromised. Fortunately, the idiot who gained access screwed up SSH which alerted us to what was going on, and prevented them from erasing their tracks. All SSH connections were from computers in China. They've been doing this for years, and no one has really called them on it until now. It takes Google to make a big enough splash before anyone really pays attention to it.
...welcome our Chinese Government Hacker Overlords.
...embargo on!
... and that's why they hacked the emails of those human right activists?
Take it easy, cowboy.
The last time China was called on this, several members of the US Congress had their machines pwned. The reply from China? "We are not advanced enough to do this." Whatever.
After RTFA it seems the only thing solid is that command server was located in China, them belonging to "agents of the Chinese state or proxies thereof" remain pure speculation at this point unless some one come out and provide evidence that links to the government ,such as registration records or money trail etc. This could still well be the works by some local hacker groups, and since the servers being attacked is outside of China they are not even breaking local laws there. Though I wouldn't be surprised they have a wink-wink relationship with the local police.
Well duh...
(I am honestly surprised that I haven't seen someone post that comment yet.)
Yes, of course that can be. But if you or someone else (maybe the Chinese government) really think that that is the case, they have to prove it before making accusations.
This is the answer, and we all know it.. If we move all our industries out of China, it becomes nothing but an empty husk. Google doesn't really have a lot to lose by exiting China, but it certainly makes for big headlines when they decide to do so. Maybe other corporations will follow. The only way Western countries stand a chance in the next 20 years is if we disentangle ourselves from China.
Due to the "Great firewall of China", don't all outgoing connections from China have to go through a government-owned proxy server?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
In the even that China gets pissed off, and simply seizes all of Google's assets in China while they're live, how much information do you think will be compromised?
The Wall Street Journal had a great article about some of the details behind the scenes of this particular incident, and also another article that did a good job of summarizing what has been discussed here over the last couple of years. The main stream media is openly stating that the People's Liberation Army is actively encouraging "citizen cyber militias" to conduct "cyber attacks" (good Lord how I hate that term) against foreign (read, United States) corporations. Although they haven't gone so far as to state that those militias have active backing of the government, they have said that the government is turning a blind eye to their activities. Furthermore, the WSJ goes on to state that there are United States agencies involved in similar espionage activities.
Given that background, it seems like hacking Chinese companies should be fair game for up and coming "security researchers" here in the United States. In the 1990s the United States government made it quite clear that they were going to come down hard on people who mess with government and Fortune 500 systems. Given the option between really securing the systems and punishing those who exploit the lack of security, they went with the latter. A lot of people, myself included, decided that once we turned 18 and faced the threat of real Federal prosecution, the wise move was to turn off the war dialers, stop snarfing ESN/MIN pairs out of the air, and stop trying to run exploit code against computers that we don't control.
We can't hone our craft in the United States anymore. Although there is a whole market for securing IT resources against attack, there isn't a playground to pick up skills in. My suggestion is that China is that playground. My suggestion is that Chinese corporations in the United States are the targets. I mean lets face it, there are hundreds of thousands of compromised computers in the United States. The United States government can't be held accountable for malicious activity directed toward Chinese corporations. It would be unfortunate for those entities to be DDoS'd. It would be unfortunate for their internal workstations to be the target of vulnerability research.
I can't find the link to the actual report in TFA.
I don't doubt that there's a strong suggestion that the Chinese government was somehow involved in the intrusion attempts mentioned by Google, and generally it isn't Google's habit to lie or deceive in these high profile matters.
But two days after the Google announcement a report comes out saying "yes it's the Chinese government, yes it's them!"? Without obvious links to the actual report?
I just sense it's just the "security companies" trying to ride the PR bandwagon. I mean, it's just on everybody's mind, and "somebody had to say it out aloud". So you cobble together related bits and pieces and make a grand pronouncement, making everybody happy. But does it prove anything? Not until we find the evidence. Until then it's all just hearsay.
Besides, would you really base your conclusions on findings from "VeriSign's iDefense security lab"? From the company who tried to f*ck up NXDOMAIN?
This is not the end of the story. I suspect more juicy bits will come through.
Don't quote me on this.
Gmail, the aspect of Google that was being hacked is not available in China.
Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
The premise is that China hacked Google to access the accounts of these Chinese Human rights activists. Given that Google already complies with Chinese law, why did China not openly contact Google over this?
Sorry, but the only sort of "Stop Oppression" message a totalitarian state ever pays attention to is the the type that's steel-jacketed and arrives at a velocity of 930 m/s.
A "stiff letter of diplomatic protest" doesn't cut it.
Regards;
Doesn't the NSA already monitor and filter through Chinese internet traffic?
I'd rather have my information stolen by someone having the break in the backdoor (China) to get it then have them drive up to the drive-thru window and order it (US). At least the chinese have some concept of a battle. Here in the US we elect the people to bend us over.
The perpetrators turned out to be russian nationalist bolshevik youth. Same thing could easily happen in China, there's plenty of nationalists there. Probably just a few rouge ones wanting to help out papa state.
Because they (the government) seem like they have such an enormous small dick complex.
even more fun if your computer uses processors that were fabbed in China, I suspect. else why would DoD have a certified fab system to insure there are no back doors?
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Their famous "Don't be evil" motto will be very slightly clarified as:
"Don't be evil (but being nasty to the Chinese government is not evil)."
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
The trade deficit through China is still in our favor - appears to be over 200 billion if I was looking at the right website.
Also consider the nature of the goods being traded - if a large percentage of the goods coming from China are consumer goods, it isn't going to hurt us that bad to get in a trade war, it will just drive up prices for crap that really isn't that vital.
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I think it's mostly our debt they underwrite, and I think it's prolly over a TRILLION dollars now since in May 2009 it was $772 billion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
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In the article it says they located the Command and Control box. I did a little investigation of my own and see what they mean. It's oh so obvious this was perpetrated by the Chinese government. Just look at the facts!
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But let me see if I got this right. One of the largest data mining corporations in the world was hacked and they narrowed it down to who it was? Cool I guess. Seriously not a good idea to hack someone who has more data on you than most governments.
It's hardly a secret that governments conduct cyber-espionage - what seems shocking in this instance is that they have been caught and that a major company
All governments spy. Its just good business to know what is happening next door. However, there is quite a bit of difference between keeping tabs on what other governments are doing, and aggressively stealing everything that isn't nailed down.
A good analogy for this situation is that spying is eavesdropping. What China is doing is kicking in doors and stealing everything in sight. The former is expected to some degree by governments. The latter isn't.
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Identified by a US asset.
don't forget that.
The greedy company wants to put ads into your email. So they keep the mail stored in plain text.
I generally presume the NSA or google is reading any plain text anyways and dont dicuss anything I wouldnt want them to see.
Web server log entries from the past 8-9 years show 95% of the attempted break-ins originating from China. They've been checking the locks on the doors and windows for along time. But, when I suggest that we simply block all IPs from that part of the world (I usually added a course explicative that conveyed that they could make sex with themselves), management says no. I'm a full-blooded capitalist and believe in the power of a free market and society, but this is ethics, pure and simple. If I were Google, I'd be spinning off large team of people to start working on hacking into anything in the PRC they can find. If the "Law of the Land" condones computer breaking-and-entering then, by God, full steam ahead!
All major defense contractors and military networks should host social networking sites geared toward anti-chinese discussions. That way, China's great firewall will block access to them, thereby preventing any further attacks from the Chinese.
Isn't the use of Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi against the Geneva convention? We could get in a lot of trouble.
There is a loophole that allows for such tactics. In theory, the ineffectiveness of either would be a suitable deterrent.
On the other hand, we could send in Mrs. Tiger Woods with a 3-iron. Now THAT would be forbidden as a weapon of mass destruction.
Your conspiracy theory is inside-out.
The ways this is supposed to work is that you explain something hard to understand at the cost of assuming something that is hard to swallow. It's all about faultless logic proceeding from readily manufactured premises.
Although there is no evidence that the NSA is monkeying with Chinese search engine traffic, if we look at it as a hypothetical scenario, it doesn't contradict anything we know about the world. That makes this a weak conspiracy theory premise. You're supposed to start from a premise that is implausible ("organized labor is conspiring with the bankers"). What's the point of a conspiracy theory that is based on plausible premises? One might as well form a plain old theory.
On the other hand, your theory fails to explain China's actions. Why would they need to break into the email accounts of their political critics *in order to address the problem of NSA spying*? It doesn't follow. What we're supposed to get by believing your theory's crazy premise is a slam-dunk conclusion to some mystery. Not only is the thing we want explained no mystery, if we buy into your theory we don't get any explanation at all. It's a dead end, because there's no logical connection.
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I'm having some trouble finding the original idefense report on this. Can anyone help a comrade out?
unleash /b/ and may god have mercy on our souls
Google was already thinking to leave in September. From Forbes last month. http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/21/google-baidu-internet-intelligent-technology-fannin.html
From the list of areas attacked, this looks like it could be the beginning(?) of an effort to steal the kind of knowledge that would allow Chinese companies to leapfrog competition and compete with the best of the Western companies... in addition to providing knowledge of those that are working against the Chinese Government. Two pronged attack on the financial threats (companies that might be able to provide services the growing Chinese market wants) and those that want to change the way the Chinese government operates.
Give me those e-mails. Not that big of a deal.
~ Hu
Sent from my Chinese-Knock-Off iPhone
and wait for the next human rights atrocity they commit and repeat?
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
Ehm, where is the proof that the Chinese Government was behind this? If I read TFA correctly, "The servers used in both attacks employ the HomeLinux DynamicDNS provider, and both are currently pointing to IP addresses owned by Linode, a US-based company that offers Virtual Private Server hosting". Nowhere in the article, it's even mentioned anything about the attack originating from Chinese IP addresses.
And even IF the source are from within China, how is it proven that those IP-addresses are controlled by the government? And even IF the sources really are from China, how can it be proven that those machines wasn't in fact broken and hacked themselves?
I do not for a second believe that the Chinese Government would even hesitate to do this, and wouldn't defend them even if didn't do it, but let's also remember that if I were a Chinese dissident, hacking some very world-public company, getting caught and making it look like the governments work, would be a pretty good way to steer global opinion.
Try "You can have this regular chocolate for 49 cents, or this 'fair trade' chocolate for 15 dollars".
Slow Down, Cowboy! It's been 60 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment.
Why don't these researchers put their noggins to work and identify the origin of spammers, malware distributers, and their ilk? Why don't the FBI and CIA coordinate their efforts, to, you know, catch criminals?
Say Hello to the New China, Same as the Old China.
I can handle the interweb attacks, at least we're not still being fed lead toys...oh wait...we still are...
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Everybody in China can be on NAT behind the government firewall and content filter.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
You assume the US and China have an economic goal. China could easily turn it into a VERY expensive weapon.
Never got any money back for a cruise missle either. Don't assume that money means financial.
I don't understand why, if Google cares about its intellectual property, they don't have it secured against foreign attack. I even more will not understand, once they've been attacked, if they get attacked successfully again. Is it just me that is confused about why Google, and the US government secrets for that matter, aren't secured? I mean, it's been a couple of dozen years now that we've had the Internet, and we all know the bad guys are out there. How hard is it to SECURE data?? Maybe it's just me, being naive, and it really is impossible to secure data. But I know there are a lot of people in the world smarter than me, that must be working on this.
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China has quickly updated their standard tagline, "The U.S. needs to quit interfering with China's internal affairs and servers"
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I am the last person to defend the Chinese government - but I read the article and it is not too clear on how they determined that the source is actually the Chinese government? Is it all based on the fact that the traffic is coming from certain IP addresses or is there (hopefully) more than just that to support the conclusion. Not advocating anyone trying to hack google, but if they did - pwning some unpatched pirated copy of Windows in China to use as a launching point wouldn't exactly be the worst approach to keep the heat from finding whoever was doing it.
Actually it would be a horrible approach, to fake an attack from the Chinese government's servers.
If you are inside China doing that, then you aren't risking a fine or club fed. You're risking being put to death.
If you are outside China doing that... then you are also risking your life. This isn't framing the government of Luxembourg. It's framing a non-democratic nuclear power that strongly believes in the death penalty and has a very poor human rights record. You don't frame a China or a Russia unless you don't mind getting radioactive elements in your water - or worse.
If this was a frame job, the framers should be running for their lives right about now, and probably getting their heads examined if they live long enough to worry about why they were so stupid to frame China.
So, it's possible it was a frame job - the public will probably never know. But I'd bet on the other option.
Two countries go in, one come out.
I'm not all that confident of the outcome, though...
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No, their point is "It's one thing to get hacked but when it's the local government doing it while we're playing nice, I don't think so".
Speak for yourself. Just because you arbitrarily decided to reset the clock 2009 years ago doesn't mean that the rest of us didn't count history before then. In fact, even non-atheists recognise that time did indeed exist before 1 AD.
Sticking with just the Google and China issues... is it possible the attack was simply China anticipating Google's current action based on the long talks regarding the search censorship? If that were the case then the hack is simply, as many have put in other terms, an attempt to gather better code to boost the efficiency and or performance of the major search engine that is supported by the Chinese government. Maybe the gmail accounts that were targeted were simply a deterrent of the real hack and done as an F-U reminder of how things are going to go down. Google hasn't really explained the full details of their intellectual property loss and they problem won't because of PR issues which is understandable. I think the server that was hacked and the data extracted is the real source.
This would have been the Chery QQ which GM accused the manufacturer of copying the Chevrolet Spark/Daewoo Matiz.
Check out
http://paultan.org/2006/02/18/chery-qq-crash-test/
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo_Matiz
And this surprises who?
And if you are surprised, calmly put down the lenova and step away.
Ward
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I fully acknowledge that that is what appears to have happened. They also went so far as to hack/surveil accounts of dissidents outside China. I'm not here to defend the Chinese government.
However, I am exploring what they *could* say, especially in the absence of official Chinese explanations, so far. For example: they could say they were exploring whether those dissidents had contact with foreign intelligence agencies. (Does this line of argument sound familiar?)
arrived from the mouth of an independent hacker, perhaps l0pht or another fun group with a genuine interest in determining where the attacks came from and how they worked as opposed to VeriSign just coming around and telling me, id perhaps lend some credence to the notion it was china.
instead this just looks like another megacorp security firm in the face of market recession trying to bang the drum harder and make money off one company in one isolated event that insists its been hacked by china with no independent third party review or proof.
sure, many will cite politicians clamouring over the threat, the imminent and grave threat, that china poses to the US. these are the same politicians that marched us into iraq, and the same politicians that are perfectly happy on both sides to agree that war is necessary and the united states is somehow holy and just in waging it.
Good people go to bed earlier.
The Chinese government hacking the servers of commercial firms in other countries is not even illegal. They are following their own military commands. They have not signed or agreed to enforce those treaties. They are exploiting weaknesses in commercial assets to take them by guile and skill for their own use without recourse. How much longer do you think it will take for them to sign these treaties now? 10 seconds after effective security is installed?
JJ
Who else is waiting for the obligatory response by Chinese ambassadors?
"We, the Chinese people, do not appreciate your false reports of hacking, nor the false reports of the hackers being identified as Chinese agents. The Chinese government engages is no espionage of any nation, nor coerces anyone into anything against their will. Your comments have hurt the Chinese people's feelings. The internet in China is free. Please stop violating and respect our sovereignty and internal affairs. We demand an apology from the United States of America."
Business is war, most wars of the past were fought about the same things business strives for, money and taking what you can ffrom the other guy for less.
Given the Chinese are fairly corrupt when compared to most western nations its no surprise they will you whatever tactics they can to eliminate or remove the competition in some way.
"If the report's findings are correct, it suggests that the government of China has been engaged for months in a massive campaign of industrial espionage against US companies."
Thank you Captain Obvious, isn't this common knowledge.
Awesome!
Why does everyone here seem to be spewing out anti-Chinese propaganda? You do realize that the only reason the freedom of speech exists in this country [USA] was to win the support of liberal founding fathers who helped draft the constitution and rally the troops, right? There were serious capitalist interests in America winning their freedom, but they needed to convince the people it was worth fighting for. Don't get me wrong, in many ways because of the wording of this radical constitution, freedoms for people around the world have benefited... but this is almost in direct reverse-correlation to the effects of what the US government does. The people who gained power soon after the revolution was won, pretty much everyone after Jefferson, hasn't given two shits about civil liberties when not on the stump.
And similarly, we need a Chinese history lesson, to learn how the power of people's rebellion, such as the boxers rebellion, shaped the current policies that helped the government reign in the control of their people.
Trust me, if the US gov't didn't think their was any other way, then they'd take away our civil liberties too... err wait, that seems to have happened over the last couple hundred years.
The fact of the matter is, the Chinese government and the American government aren't all that different (apologies to any chinese who may be reading, but yes, your government fucking sucks too). China has a completely different background, but have dealt with issues in a reactionary way that any wretched gov't in their situation would do. I wonder how long the US is going to get a free-pass because they have a bad-ass constitution (that is treated like the bible - good when it's convenient to conform to).
Both gov'ts are FUBARed, and pointing fingers and rehashing tired propaganda only makes matters worse. We need some real solutions, and this requires you to forget about what you think you know about right and wrong (and blow up your nearest starbucks - unoccupied at night of course - in a symbolic gesture against the real powers that fuck up our societies more than we want to admit. yes, the coffee shops).
while I go back to my parents basement to play WoW.
We all know you never left that basement in the first place. :)
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Not to be a party pooper, but you are faulting China for doing something congress tries hard at every opportunity it can to do as well: force government procurement to buy American first. And lets not get started on agricultural subsidies.
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China seems to have no regards for good citizenship in the society of nations. Why do we do business with a country like that? Is paying a little less for inexpensive toxic junk really worth it? Next holiday season, our entire family is considering a "china-free" gift-gifting holiday. Can't wait.
So a government gets caught damaging a foreign companies resources.
Isn't that grounds for war? Or at least some sanctions?
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Security officials investigating the problem said that the attackers gained entry to the system first by establishing dummy accounts. They realized that these attackers were Chinese when they discovered all the personal information fields were filled in with "CHING CHANG CHING CHONG CHONG" - and the accounts all had suspicious-sounding names like "Warner Oland", "Sidney Toler", "Roland Winters", "Kristin Kreuk", and "John Bennett" - obviously failed attempts to concoct unsuspicious names...
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From TFA: "Citing sources in the defense contracting and intelligence consulting community, the iDefense report unambiguously declares that the Chinese government was, in fact, behind the effort."
Right, for what possible sinister reason could people in the American "defense contracting and intelligence consulting community" have to paint China as a threat to US national security?
they could say they were exploring whether those dissidents had contact with foreign intelligence agencies.
You think human right activists will be CIA's next best friend after all those secrete presions they setup overseas?
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Option 1: Pick a low level bureaucrat "persuade" him to write a self-criticism and move on.
Option 2: Denial, denial, denial. (See Tiananmen Square.)
The Chinese are smart. Our year 2010 is the Chinese year 4707. They have an ANCIENT culture.
The rampant cronyism and corruption in our society is a drop in the bucket compared to China. Damn straight they have an ancient culture -- and ancient problems as well. One chinese told me "dictatorship is in the culture".
I would be suspicious of any government (or person) who *demands* that you reflect them back the way they want to be seen. The great glorious perfect nation of China is a lot like Narcissus in the story of Narcissus and Echo.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
The government hacks you!
I'm not sure that China knows what they're messing with. If they keep poking Google's assets, the GoogCloud could very well go SkyNet on their asses.
"Google's Search Algorithm became self-aware at 3:37am on Friday, January 15 2010."
You're not paranoid if they really ARE out to get you...
Are Americans the most naive nation on the planet or are there some other groups more gullible than the US and its companies? Unlikely - many Americans - and here I include the business leaders - assume that all countries just want to be like America so they will do what America assumes is correct. Sadly the US is wrong, but by the time they figure that out and realize that other nations, particularly China, are playing for real the US companies will be destroyed, most Americans will be out of work, the standard of living of the US will have plummeted and countries like China will be laughing at the gullibility of a once great nation. (And no, I am not American).
I find it funny that a China expert in the article is Gill Bates - it somehow fits the overall theme of this discussion. :)
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CmdrTaco didn't understand the original report and made up the title to attract eye balls. The original report says: "The source IPs and drop server of the attack correspond to a single foreign entity consisting either of agents of the Chinese state or proxies thereof," What CmdrTaco and the report writer understand, "attacks" from your own computers, has now long been in history. Modern attacks use zombies as a commonsense. I would rather doubt the administrative ability of those IPs instead of believing their owners are the attackers.
the chin*se government and its corrupt police and military thugs are a fat bloated tick sucking the life out of the chin*se population.
anyone thinking of doing business with such a corrupt regime needs psychiatric help
So "researchers" have determined that this was in fact perpetrated by "the Chinese government"? Why is it that one should have confidence in an article that refers to unspecified "researchers" and "sources in the defense contracting and intelligence consulting community"? As far as I can see, the article makes largely unsubstantiated claims, such as:
The source IPs and drop server of the attack correspond to a single foreign entity consisting either of agents of the Chinese state or proxies thereof
Why don't they tell us what that "single, foreign entity" is? Apart from the fact that you can spoof your IP address very easily; something I think we can assume a Chinese agent would take advantage of. In fact, if the IP addresses used are so easily traced back to China, could it not be because somebody wants to point a finger in that direction? Nah, I'm probably just too suspicious.
It is not that I can't believe that an agency in the Chinese state would engage in undercover activity, even if the execution seems a bit amateurish; I just hate it when people insult my intelligence like this.
Universities: now is the time to step up, go public, and admit you too were victims of IP theft at the hands of Chinese. I'm at one of the top research universities in the US. I can tell you our data servers have been hit by Chinese IPs taking gigabytes of unpublished data. The university, however, is too PC to step and do something about it.
The hong kong blondes did it
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