You're mixing target and minimum... They target for use the higher end, but for compatibility reason and with a desire to try to coax people in and to allow low end computers make them believe it will still work on an older system. That is usually not the case. Ever tried running Vista on the minimum...it's silly. When Vista came out it pushed the higher end computers, most average computers choked under it and lower end systems were pathetic. MS target was higher than average CPU at time of release.
The best thing MS could do is to be very realistic with the minimum and forget the people who have slower computers. Leave them alone and let them upgrade the computer and OS together.
That sounds about right, but they have suffered by not forcing people to switch. I spent the last year and half in South Africa. You'd be amazed at how many computers I saw still running Win 98! The want to keep releasing new OS to keep up with the fast advances in hardware. They'd love for people to upgrade every couple years...but the same is with Apple, Intel, and Dell. They all want us to be buying the latest and fastest and best. Microsoft is the same...no different.
Please, do your research before making an assumption about the effects of porn on anyone (kids or adults) and then stating it as a fact for everyone to read.
There are effects and you can find them in lots of research on the net if you took the time to look. Just look up the percentage of convicted rapist that are addicted to porn. You might be surprised what you find among a lot of social issues we deal with in America and its relationship to porn.
I, for one, would love some help in blocking stuff for my son. I put on controls and try my best to keep him from being dragged into that stuff at a young age, but it is disturbing how much comes through even the tools we have.
I would love it if the porn sites simply said that their money comes from adults and they have no business luring children into it (like smoking companies) and voluntarily made more protection for our kids to help make my parenting that much easier. I know this is wishful thinking, but at some point, freedom of speech is taking to a point of hurting our society and not helping.
We are not actually able to say anything we want whenever we want. Example, try going into a theater and yelling, "Fire!" over and over. You might go to jail and if someone is hurt, you'll be sued and rightly so. You abused your freedom of speech to hurt someone. There is no doubt that porn hurts people.
how many people would point to the Mac OS and say how cool it is and all the little flashy things and swirly things that bounce and beep is where MS OS should be. MS adds some gloss to try to keep up and everyone complains that they didn't keep it simple and clean like XP.
You and I both want to have the applications taking advantage of the CPU's (like the games;), but a lot of people are using it for simple stuff at home and don't need the speed. They want a cool interface dancing around the screen. Huge population around the world falling into that category.
None of the code? Maybe less...You know that as hardware advances, you can't just use the same code to recognize the new hardware. There are times when new code must be run just to even recognize the newer hardware.
I'm not claiming that everything MS has put in and leaves running is needed by everyone. Sure, they probably leave in too much for most of us, but they are not making their software for/. people...that's a lost cause for most, but they do need to have it trying to run out-of-the-box for the user in Thailand running hardware and software you never heard of. Try that with a slimmed down Linux or Mac OS (which only runs on a handful of configs).
Another way of looking at it is that whatever you think doesn't need to be loaded (because you would never use it) is very helpful for someone else to have preloaded. Some would draw the line and not load anything and have much slower performance or have to figure out how to adapt, other want everything loaded for performance and their config can handle it. Most are in between and that is usually where MS is (though probably leaning more toward the side of fully loaded than empty).
Now you've nailed exactly what MS is up against. Apple could with any new OS tell their few users, "throw away your software and start over again with the new OS." This is what allowed Apple to rapidly develop their OS in relationship to MS. If Apple had a majority of the world using their OS, do you really think they would have made such dramatic changes with their newly released computers and OS and tell the whole corporate world, "buy all new computer, OS and software to run on them."
Microsft, I believe, has tried their hardest to walk down the line of progressing their OS, making the most of the hardware, and not ticking off most of the world by telling them to scrap everything they've invested in. I agree, with the desire (as I'm running a Win XP on a Quad core with 3G ram). I have to stay with 32 because I have $3,000 of software that won't run on 64bit.
Force the change to 64, and I'm staying with XP for many more years then.
Well, let's think about that for a moment. New hardware=new code to run it. A PC has 10 times the hardware options of a Mac and 1000 times more hackers trying to cause problems than a Mac. How much code would you design to run on a gazillion hardware configuration machines that provides more features and not less?
Do they have more code than you need? Probably. But what you need and I need on the machine are different, and if they cut out some features, either one of us would be complaining about the features they left out.
Mike McConnell. Careful!! You're treading on dangerous ground on/. when you state that anyone in government during the Bush tenure did anything good. That goes against what the media has convinced the world of. You might receive death threats. Remember, anything that happened over the past 8 years in the government is evil and everything that happens over the next 4 years will be blissful. Shhhhhh!!!
There is the option to uninstall or never install a lot of the little features in Windows. You can also quite easily disable many of the devices. If you can figure out how to do that with Linux, it's even easier in Windows. Bloat or not, we still have the ability to turn off or get rid of a lot of the things you don't want.
I don't care about Bloat if I still have the ability to turn off what I don't want. In that case, give me all the bloat you want. I may need features you don't, and rather than having to hunt for them online and download a virus posing as a function, I can just turn on or off the function in Windows.
You are right in your evaluation. In fact, MS does not design software to fit the slowest or moderate CPU at their anticipated delivery date. They want to design an OS that will be able to stick around and take full advantage of the CPU's and memory advances for several years (at least). This means that several years before the CPU's are developed, they must guess where they will be for the next 5 years and try to take advantage of that processing power to create an OS that will do more than play videos and music.
The real problem with Vista was the minimum requirements. They allowed far too many PC's around the world that were using 2003 technology run Vista. The newest CPU's and higher memory machines with better Mobo did great with it (once the drivers all became available, of course).
Google death certificate and legal documents. Get a letterhead from a law office and fill it all out to sound good. Send it in. See what happens. Never tired it but it just might work. Do you really think they are so bright as to check up on every single legal doc?
Heck, the rotation of the world has got a lot of kinetic energy. If we could just fashion a generator off either pole and fix it in place in space somehow...
You can reapply for a sense of humor at anytime. You obviously haven't played any video games in a while and fail to understand the intricacies of making light of something. Nobody on the site actually wants to go out and kill people (except for perhaps those Ubuntu supporters against MS engineers). They are turning something serious into humor and ignoring the reality. It is what/. do best. Since most don't own a real gun or have a real girlfriend, let them joke a little.
This is where I see people repeating the same line, but I'm not sure if the logic is equally applied. Could you explain for me how Apple can completely control the hardware and operating system and licensing for everything that touches them and have them and still be the 'darling' of the computer world? I'm not defending MS, but when people then hug their Apple product and say this is how things should be, I'm a bit confused. If MS did half of what Apple does in regards to monopolistic...
I'd agree with regards to the migration in comparison to 2007, but why make the change if you already have MSO 2000 and OO is very close to the same but with a few less features some need?
On another note, isn't it funny that every time Apple came out with a new OS that wasn't very backward compatible but rather made a large step forward, they were praised for doing so. Each time MS made a small step forward and kept compatibility, they were cursed. Now they make a big step forward and are still cursed. I'm convinced that the only way MS could ever be praised is if they were the size of Apple (the underdog) and had really cool marketing. If you've made the change personally to 2007, you will find that there is a lot to like about it. The Office suite still runs circles around OO and probably always will.
You sound like you work more in marketing than IT. You can't convince people to like something that doesn't work or doesn't work the way they want it to. Your formula will result in disaster unless all the stars align and good karma sweeps the world. Please, be a little more careful in how you evaluate a project, plan a project, and then execute the project.
Why on earth would you consider making a large transition with staffers who will be annoyed at having to do things a little different for a product that is about the same in quality and features? OO is much closer to MS Office 2000 than 2003 or 2007 (which, regretably are much better than OO still).
Before you serious consider upsetting the cart, make sure the features and benefits you gain are worth the headaches. Get to the end of the process, if most people don't feel the pain of change was worth the end product, they'll revolt and hang you from the patch panels.
as Mr. Fusion has already received a patent. In conjunction with a flux capacitor, when seen a clear demonstration that it is capable of producing gigawatts of electricity from our trash--in particular, simply banana peels and several cc's of light beer. But I'm sure Apple will take credit as having invented it.
He needs to DO something historic and not just BE something historic. I don't care what his background is and how well he talks or what party he is from. He MUST prove himself by what he does. He's done nothing and people already praise him like he's the best President ever. In a few months, he will start to upset people. Then he will disagree with his supporters on some issues. Then he will make bad decisions. Then the golden child is no more. Simply put, I don't want to hear every historic facial tissue holding every historic sneeze by-product. Let him do something really great, then reward him...not just because the color of his skin is different than previous. It is still 'racial' to praise someone undeservingly because of their skin color. These "historic" posts are a waste of our/. time.
You're exactly right, and I have the same thoughts. The wireless signal, at best an 'n', is never going to bottleneck a regular Pentium 4. Even if they are talking about combining words from the dictionary, that is not a lot of processing power. The only difference could be if the article is written wrong, and they are actually trying to take the encryption from an intercepted wireless singal and decode it into words from the dictionary. Then they are decoding and trying variation from the dictionary that might fit the encryption pattern.
This is so boring, and I'm only wasting my time responding because I want to encourage people not to post stuff like this. Every President is historic. They all make it in the books. Most of you were applauding Bush after 9/11 and now most of you have changed. Some day, people will look back at Obama and yawn. There will be many more Presidents. Remember how excited many people were when the Republicans gain majorities in Congress? What came of that? You think Obama is our savour?
Please don't create a post when Obama is the first Pres to use a specially recycled toilet paper made from a process that doesn't create any global warming gases or pollute our rivers and streams. I'll have to look elsewhere for my tech news...
My bet is that the attorneys walk about with about $20M for their "expenses" and the remaining money (if they actually collect it from these turds) will be put into an organization to help prevent these things from happening. I lost $800 this year from a company doing debt consolidation. They started to mis payments to my creditors and then disappeared after two year. Thousands of us lost money, and I don't expect to ever get a dime back.
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You're mixing target and minimum... They target for use the higher end, but for compatibility reason and with a desire to try to coax people in and to allow low end computers make them believe it will still work on an older system. That is usually not the case. Ever tried running Vista on the minimum...it's silly. When Vista came out it pushed the higher end computers, most average computers choked under it and lower end systems were pathetic. MS target was higher than average CPU at time of release.
The best thing MS could do is to be very realistic with the minimum and forget the people who have slower computers. Leave them alone and let them upgrade the computer and OS together.
That sounds about right, but they have suffered by not forcing people to switch. I spent the last year and half in South Africa. You'd be amazed at how many computers I saw still running Win 98! The want to keep releasing new OS to keep up with the fast advances in hardware. They'd love for people to upgrade every couple years...but the same is with Apple, Intel, and Dell. They all want us to be buying the latest and fastest and best. Microsoft is the same...no different.
"we're tired of cleaning up the fricken mess from those party animals that came last time. NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!"
Please, do your research before making an assumption about the effects of porn on anyone (kids or adults) and then stating it as a fact for everyone to read.
There are effects and you can find them in lots of research on the net if you took the time to look. Just look up the percentage of convicted rapist that are addicted to porn. You might be surprised what you find among a lot of social issues we deal with in America and its relationship to porn.
I, for one, would love some help in blocking stuff for my son. I put on controls and try my best to keep him from being dragged into that stuff at a young age, but it is disturbing how much comes through even the tools we have.
I would love it if the porn sites simply said that their money comes from adults and they have no business luring children into it (like smoking companies) and voluntarily made more protection for our kids to help make my parenting that much easier. I know this is wishful thinking, but at some point, freedom of speech is taking to a point of hurting our society and not helping.
We are not actually able to say anything we want whenever we want. Example, try going into a theater and yelling, "Fire!" over and over. You might go to jail and if someone is hurt, you'll be sued and rightly so. You abused your freedom of speech to hurt someone. There is no doubt that porn hurts people.
how many people would point to the Mac OS and say how cool it is and all the little flashy things and swirly things that bounce and beep is where MS OS should be. MS adds some gloss to try to keep up and everyone complains that they didn't keep it simple and clean like XP.
;), but a lot of people are using it for simple stuff at home and don't need the speed. They want a cool interface dancing around the screen. Huge population around the world falling into that category.
You and I both want to have the applications taking advantage of the CPU's (like the games
None of the code? Maybe less...You know that as hardware advances, you can't just use the same code to recognize the new hardware. There are times when new code must be run just to even recognize the newer hardware.
/. people...that's a lost cause for most, but they do need to have it trying to run out-of-the-box for the user in Thailand running hardware and software you never heard of. Try that with a slimmed down Linux or Mac OS (which only runs on a handful of configs).
I'm not claiming that everything MS has put in and leaves running is needed by everyone. Sure, they probably leave in too much for most of us, but they are not making their software for
Another way of looking at it is that whatever you think doesn't need to be loaded (because you would never use it) is very helpful for someone else to have preloaded. Some would draw the line and not load anything and have much slower performance or have to figure out how to adapt, other want everything loaded for performance and their config can handle it. Most are in between and that is usually where MS is (though probably leaning more toward the side of fully loaded than empty).
Now you've nailed exactly what MS is up against. Apple could with any new OS tell their few users, "throw away your software and start over again with the new OS." This is what allowed Apple to rapidly develop their OS in relationship to MS. If Apple had a majority of the world using their OS, do you really think they would have made such dramatic changes with their newly released computers and OS and tell the whole corporate world, "buy all new computer, OS and software to run on them."
Microsft, I believe, has tried their hardest to walk down the line of progressing their OS, making the most of the hardware, and not ticking off most of the world by telling them to scrap everything they've invested in. I agree, with the desire (as I'm running a Win XP on a Quad core with 3G ram). I have to stay with 32 because I have $3,000 of software that won't run on 64bit.
Force the change to 64, and I'm staying with XP for many more years then.
Well, let's think about that for a moment. New hardware=new code to run it. A PC has 10 times the hardware options of a Mac and 1000 times more hackers trying to cause problems than a Mac. How much code would you design to run on a gazillion hardware configuration machines that provides more features and not less?
Do they have more code than you need? Probably. But what you need and I need on the machine are different, and if they cut out some features, either one of us would be complaining about the features they left out.
Mike McConnell. Careful!! You're treading on dangerous ground on /. when you state that anyone in government during the Bush tenure did anything good. That goes against what the media has convinced the world of. You might receive death threats. Remember, anything that happened over the past 8 years in the government is evil and everything that happens over the next 4 years will be blissful. Shhhhhh!!!
There is the option to uninstall or never install a lot of the little features in Windows. You can also quite easily disable many of the devices. If you can figure out how to do that with Linux, it's even easier in Windows. Bloat or not, we still have the ability to turn off or get rid of a lot of the things you don't want.
I don't care about Bloat if I still have the ability to turn off what I don't want. In that case, give me all the bloat you want. I may need features you don't, and rather than having to hunt for them online and download a virus posing as a function, I can just turn on or off the function in Windows.
You are right in your evaluation. In fact, MS does not design software to fit the slowest or moderate CPU at their anticipated delivery date. They want to design an OS that will be able to stick around and take full advantage of the CPU's and memory advances for several years (at least). This means that several years before the CPU's are developed, they must guess where they will be for the next 5 years and try to take advantage of that processing power to create an OS that will do more than play videos and music.
The real problem with Vista was the minimum requirements. They allowed far too many PC's around the world that were using 2003 technology run Vista. The newest CPU's and higher memory machines with better Mobo did great with it (once the drivers all became available, of course).
This was exactly where we started with XP.
Google death certificate and legal documents. Get a letterhead from a law office and fill it all out to sound good. Send it in. See what happens. Never tired it but it just might work. Do you really think they are so bright as to check up on every single legal doc?
Heck, the rotation of the world has got a lot of kinetic energy. If we could just fashion a generator off either pole and fix it in place in space somehow...
then we do the stupid thing and "burn" the skies to cut off power. We all know where that all leads to.
You can reapply for a sense of humor at anytime. You obviously haven't played any video games in a while and fail to understand the intricacies of making light of something. Nobody on the site actually wants to go out and kill people (except for perhaps those Ubuntu supporters against MS engineers). They are turning something serious into humor and ignoring the reality. It is what /. do best. Since most don't own a real gun or have a real girlfriend, let them joke a little.
This is where I see people repeating the same line, but I'm not sure if the logic is equally applied. Could you explain for me how Apple can completely control the hardware and operating system and licensing for everything that touches them and have them and still be the 'darling' of the computer world? I'm not defending MS, but when people then hug their Apple product and say this is how things should be, I'm a bit confused. If MS did half of what Apple does in regards to monopolistic...
I'd agree with regards to the migration in comparison to 2007, but why make the change if you already have MSO 2000 and OO is very close to the same but with a few less features some need?
On another note, isn't it funny that every time Apple came out with a new OS that wasn't very backward compatible but rather made a large step forward, they were praised for doing so. Each time MS made a small step forward and kept compatibility, they were cursed. Now they make a big step forward and are still cursed. I'm convinced that the only way MS could ever be praised is if they were the size of Apple (the underdog) and had really cool marketing. If you've made the change personally to 2007, you will find that there is a lot to like about it. The Office suite still runs circles around OO and probably always will.
You sound like you work more in marketing than IT. You can't convince people to like something that doesn't work or doesn't work the way they want it to. Your formula will result in disaster unless all the stars align and good karma sweeps the world. Please, be a little more careful in how you evaluate a project, plan a project, and then execute the project.
Why on earth would you consider making a large transition with staffers who will be annoyed at having to do things a little different for a product that is about the same in quality and features? OO is much closer to MS Office 2000 than 2003 or 2007 (which, regretably are much better than OO still).
Before you serious consider upsetting the cart, make sure the features and benefits you gain are worth the headaches. Get to the end of the process, if most people don't feel the pain of change was worth the end product, they'll revolt and hang you from the patch panels.
as Mr. Fusion has already received a patent. In conjunction with a flux capacitor, when seen a clear demonstration that it is capable of producing gigawatts of electricity from our trash--in particular, simply banana peels and several cc's of light beer. But I'm sure Apple will take credit as having invented it.
He needs to DO something historic and not just BE something historic. I don't care what his background is and how well he talks or what party he is from. He MUST prove himself by what he does. He's done nothing and people already praise him like he's the best President ever. In a few months, he will start to upset people. Then he will disagree with his supporters on some issues. Then he will make bad decisions. Then the golden child is no more. Simply put, I don't want to hear every historic facial tissue holding every historic sneeze by-product. Let him do something really great, then reward him...not just because the color of his skin is different than previous. It is still 'racial' to praise someone undeservingly because of their skin color. These "historic" posts are a waste of our /. time.
You're exactly right, and I have the same thoughts. The wireless signal, at best an 'n', is never going to bottleneck a regular Pentium 4. Even if they are talking about combining words from the dictionary, that is not a lot of processing power. The only difference could be if the article is written wrong, and they are actually trying to take the encryption from an intercepted wireless singal and decode it into words from the dictionary. Then they are decoding and trying variation from the dictionary that might fit the encryption pattern.
This is so boring, and I'm only wasting my time responding because I want to encourage people not to post stuff like this. Every President is historic. They all make it in the books. Most of you were applauding Bush after 9/11 and now most of you have changed. Some day, people will look back at Obama and yawn. There will be many more Presidents. Remember how excited many people were when the Republicans gain majorities in Congress? What came of that? You think Obama is our savour?
Please don't create a post when Obama is the first Pres to use a specially recycled toilet paper made from a process that doesn't create any global warming gases or pollute our rivers and streams. I'll have to look elsewhere for my tech news...
My bet is that the attorneys walk about with about $20M for their "expenses" and the remaining money (if they actually collect it from these turds) will be put into an organization to help prevent these things from happening. I lost $800 this year from a company doing debt consolidation. They started to mis payments to my creditors and then disappeared after two year. Thousands of us lost money, and I don't expect to ever get a dime back.