The real bummer would be that a nuke in a harbor would truly piss off the surfers for the amazing wave it would create.. and all of the surfers are out in the ocean, not the harbors.
VGA is also used for a resolution of 640x480, which was my attempted use, since the other reference is actually an adapter (video graphics adapter).
For some reason, I think your still missing the point.
If your using a high resolution laptop display at this moment (like I am) and it is roughly 15" or 17" or whatever, step back about 5' and tell me what you see on the screen and how much that high resolution is really helping you.
Maybe this will help, on whatever display you are using put up a photo at full resolution and step back 10' or more. Then covert the image down to a VGA or SVGA resolution and step back 10' or so. Tell me what you see. I'm betting not much of a difference.
Again, besides quoting all the stats from technical sites that don't make a lot of difference, using one's eye, tell me the difference. The point, once again, is that Google's marketing of an HD display of that size and distance is irrelevant. Tell me it is 640x480 at that distance and size will more than likely have the same image clarity.
Yep. Get it. My point is simply this...put a 25" VGA monitor 8' away from you and a 25" HD monitor 8' away and tell me if you can see the difference in resolution. My comment is on the Google marketing strategy of calling it HD, like you could really see that from 8'...even if it truly is that resolution or not.
Oh, I still think this is a great step and going to lead to much more in the future. This is very cool, and I would like one (though I will wait for a few iterations and reductions in price before jumping in). Google should realize that the average person that is going to buy on of these is a geek that knows better. The point being, don't call it a HD 25" display just to lure the unsuspecting customer that buys anything called HD. I would hope or expect most geeks to set their expectations properly, but some might be suckered into it thinking they will be able to clearly make out details of a web page or something.
At 8' away on a 25" display, you will need a font size of 140pt to make it legible. What the heck do you need HD for then. My 55" HD TV is great from 8', but wouldn't mean much from 32' away.
The funny part is that they the 25" display they say is equivalent to "high-definition". What a stroke of marketing brilliance. At that size and distance, you could be running QVGA, and it will look like high-definition for most of us.
Of course, if they told us it would look like a 13" VGA CRT display at 4 feet away, most would laugh. Good twist on the stats, Google!
Call center help, no problem. Manufacturing, problem. I just returned from India (forgive me those of you in India reading this right now), but highly efficient manufacturing is not what India is known for. Got to China to get it built fast and cheap. India has other strengths.
I'm still waiting for someone around the world to post that they have wonderful, self-sacrificing, inexpensive and fast/responsive cell phone carrier somewhere in the world. Hello? Anyone?
Visit India for me. Then you may want to restate that carriers in other countries are far superior (better service, period) to what we have in the U.S. After being in India a month, I couldn't wait to get home for cell phone and data plan to work properly. It took 6 days just to turn on the phone there! Then another several days to get a data package that was used up on 2 days which I was not allowed to upgrade or refill for 30 days. In other words, I got 2 days of internet and not allowed to have anything above 64k download the rest of the time. You purchase from people at small shops on the roadside that don't know what they are talking about. You get the run-around constantly. Same struggles in South Africa and Zimbabwe for me.
Sure, we have issue to resolve here in the US, but don't assume the whole world works much better. It's not better in the 20 countries I've been to.;(
Micro-batteries (used to just allow for continuous flow when there is a brief interruption of wireless power) is nothing like the tablets or monitors people are using. My whole point is to everyone saying that this is nothing new and already used by everyone every day (many posting how they already have this on their desk...BS).
Whether they have capacitors or micro-batteries is nothing like the big batteries in tablets today. This is new. So new that it probably doesn't really exist. I was commenting to the first post of this is a "dumb tablet' or 'monitor'. Just swapping wireless for wire for BOTH power and data IS innovation. The patent is for two stations...one sending power and one sending data. On the device...one receiving POWER and the other data. This is NOT just a simplified, low-power consumption monitor. The power comes wirelessly. Yes, it will display something like a monitor, but in a radically new way that could change a lot of things for us.
I don't care about the quality or legitimacy of the patent (which is only applied for, not granted), the point is that many people are posting how this is just like their tethered display or tablet (which I do too), but that is NOT what the patent is for. The primary patent is for a display device that is BOTH powered wirelessly and receives/displays an image with no battery or power cord. That is wickedly cool....if it exists.
read more carefully...powered wirelessly. I bet you display has a cord plugged into the wall. If you've got a piece of plastic that is displaying a wireless image and has no batteries and no cord plugged into it, I want to see it!! This is amazingly cool, if it is possible.
read more carefully...powered wirelessly. This means that a hunk of plastic with no power can display an image delivered and powered by something else. I want one!!!! Sounds very different amazing...if it can be done
You obviously don't watch Fox News and are set to MSNBC. No need for political propaganda here, Mr. Troll. Everyone knows the roots and the causes. Each political party needs to own up to their part. Whatch the real videos of senior Democrats in House and Senate prior to the crash that were stating we needed to make more housing affordable for more people that can't afford houses. Tie that together with Republicans that were hoping these problem would self-regulate as banks didn't want to feel the effects of bad actions. The whole government team is to blame, each for their part in making this a reality.
I have four monitors and don't have window 8 and don't want it for my desktop. Take home a Lenovo Yoga for a couple days, and you might see the idea of combining touch screen on a laptop. I'm typing on a laptop right now. My fingers are inches away from the display. To reach up and touch the screen is MUCH easier and faster than grabbing the mouse next to the laptop or pushing my finger carefully over the mouse pad.
The concept of combining the keyboard and touch screen is not bad. Try it for a laptop. Of course, big displays and many of them (like I have...with even one up high above the other monitors) this doesn't work. This is why this is a transition OS. It is trying to still be usable for non-touch while bringing in the concept and usefulness of touch display. I only see it useful for laptops, but a lot of people are talking about that as our future (for most). Consider how many laptops there were a decade ago and how many people have one of those and no desktop at home.
I'd pretty quickly throw it across the classroom at the wall. Kids are moving away from cursive handwriting and only printing. How long before we don't write much of anything ever? I don't know about you, but lost the ability to use a quill and ink well.
This is a transition period for MS. I believe it was Steve Jobs that said there is no need and no one will ever want a touch display on a laptop"...or something to that affect. The truth is, we're adjusting the way we do things because of phones and tablets. Now people are becoming more accustom to touching the display. It's actually quite curious that Apple didn't make this move first. Now, they will be playing catch-up to MS in the next few years.(queue iFanBois angry reply now)
Once you abandon the old way of doing things (mouse/touchpad) and realize that your display will do what you want by touching it, it is so nice and easy and fast to simply touch the button on the screen rather than moving a cursor until you hover, then click. Touch the button with your finger and you're done. Windows 8 makes sense.
Then of course, you will enjoy the ability to read news and play games that are touch enabled. I do like the news layout of the Windows 8 articles. Side scrolling, nicely spaced, easy to process (no as busy and endless and a vert. scroll).
All that being said, I have 4 Windows 8 computers, a Surface, Yoga, Sony Tap 20, high powered Asus, and then several Android tablets, but I still use a Windows 7 computer (with LOTS of horse-power and 4 displays). I'm not changing to four touch-displays in order to use Win 8 on this beast. No need for my work to have touch, but going to college, writing papers, the average person today using a laptop, I'd go full touch screen windows 8 laptop/convertible in a heart-beat.
Try a convertible like the Lenovo Yoga. I got one for my daughter off at college, and she LOVES it....she had been on windows 7 ever since it came out. When you start using a laptop with a touch-screen and Windows 8, it all makes sense and is really something great. A windows 8 laptop without a touch screen doesn't work for me either.
Confirmed. You have to search for phones on the major providers that can take a SIM card. They are usually called "Global" phones....because you can actually use them outside the US. Most phones come locked into the provider that sells them...like Verizon or AT&T. It really sucks, but you get suckered in by getting a nice phone requiring a 2 year contract. I've avoided those contracts for years, but they really lock you in long term when all of your friends and family are on the same network and then they don't charge for any airtime minutes you use when talking with someone on the same network...ie. I have Verizon....all of my calls to other Verizon users is unlimited for no additional cost.
Ah, then we have clarification in the statements above. Gears do not need to directly interact with other gears. They can through a chain interact. This means that any sprocket if connected to a chain and then very often connected to another sprocket in the chain is therefore a gear. Unfortunately, the example of the bicycle having sprockets is not a good example. In every case they are then gears.
Dang! So all those years back with my bicycle having 10 or 21 sprocket combinations and calling them gears was ignorance. Blast those bike companies and their false marketing for making me this way.
Sorta like the non-profit model used by HopeVault.org? Funding by phases of project with proof of milestones and release of funds based on donors voting and approving demonstration of work.
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and we care about ASF like we care about WMA...don't need it...move on in life.
The real bummer would be that a nuke in a harbor would truly piss off the surfers for the amazing wave it would create.. and all of the surfers are out in the ocean, not the harbors.
VGA is also used for a resolution of 640x480, which was my attempted use, since the other reference is actually an adapter (video graphics adapter).
For some reason, I think your still missing the point.
If your using a high resolution laptop display at this moment (like I am) and it is roughly 15" or 17" or whatever, step back about 5' and tell me what you see on the screen and how much that high resolution is really helping you.
Maybe this will help, on whatever display you are using put up a photo at full resolution and step back 10' or more. Then covert the image down to a VGA or SVGA resolution and step back 10' or so. Tell me what you see. I'm betting not much of a difference.
Again, besides quoting all the stats from technical sites that don't make a lot of difference, using one's eye, tell me the difference. The point, once again, is that Google's marketing of an HD display of that size and distance is irrelevant. Tell me it is 640x480 at that distance and size will more than likely have the same image clarity.
Yep. Get it. My point is simply this...put a 25" VGA monitor 8' away from you and a 25" HD monitor 8' away and tell me if you can see the difference in resolution. My comment is on the Google marketing strategy of calling it HD, like you could really see that from 8'...even if it truly is that resolution or not.
Oh, I still think this is a great step and going to lead to much more in the future. This is very cool, and I would like one (though I will wait for a few iterations and reductions in price before jumping in). Google should realize that the average person that is going to buy on of these is a geek that knows better. The point being, don't call it a HD 25" display just to lure the unsuspecting customer that buys anything called HD. I would hope or expect most geeks to set their expectations properly, but some might be suckered into it thinking they will be able to clearly make out details of a web page or something.
At 8' away on a 25" display, you will need a font size of 140pt to make it legible. What the heck do you need HD for then. My 55" HD TV is great from 8', but wouldn't mean much from 32' away.
The funny part is that they the 25" display they say is equivalent to "high-definition". What a stroke of marketing brilliance. At that size and distance, you could be running QVGA, and it will look like high-definition for most of us.
Of course, if they told us it would look like a 13" VGA CRT display at 4 feet away, most would laugh. Good twist on the stats, Google!
Call center help, no problem. Manufacturing, problem. I just returned from India (forgive me those of you in India reading this right now), but highly efficient manufacturing is not what India is known for. Got to China to get it built fast and cheap. India has other strengths.
I'm still waiting for someone around the world to post that they have wonderful, self-sacrificing, inexpensive and fast/responsive cell phone carrier somewhere in the world. Hello? Anyone?
Visit India for me. Then you may want to restate that carriers in other countries are far superior (better service, period) to what we have in the U.S. After being in India a month, I couldn't wait to get home for cell phone and data plan to work properly. It took 6 days just to turn on the phone there! Then another several days to get a data package that was used up on 2 days which I was not allowed to upgrade or refill for 30 days. In other words, I got 2 days of internet and not allowed to have anything above 64k download the rest of the time. You purchase from people at small shops on the roadside that don't know what they are talking about. You get the run-around constantly. Same struggles in South Africa and Zimbabwe for me.
;(
Sure, we have issue to resolve here in the US, but don't assume the whole world works much better. It's not better in the 20 countries I've been to.
Micro-batteries (used to just allow for continuous flow when there is a brief interruption of wireless power) is nothing like the tablets or monitors people are using. My whole point is to everyone saying that this is nothing new and already used by everyone every day (many posting how they already have this on their desk...BS).
Whether they have capacitors or micro-batteries is nothing like the big batteries in tablets today. This is new. So new that it probably doesn't really exist. I was commenting to the first post of this is a "dumb tablet' or 'monitor'. Just swapping wireless for wire for BOTH power and data IS innovation. The patent is for two stations...one sending power and one sending data. On the device...one receiving POWER and the other data. This is NOT just a simplified, low-power consumption monitor. The power comes wirelessly. Yes, it will display something like a monitor, but in a radically new way that could change a lot of things for us.
I don't care about the quality or legitimacy of the patent (which is only applied for, not granted), the point is that many people are posting how this is just like their tethered display or tablet (which I do too), but that is NOT what the patent is for. The primary patent is for a display device that is BOTH powered wirelessly and receives/displays an image with no battery or power cord. That is wickedly cool....if it exists.
read more carefully...powered wirelessly. I bet you display has a cord plugged into the wall. If you've got a piece of plastic that is displaying a wireless image and has no batteries and no cord plugged into it, I want to see it!! This is amazingly cool, if it is possible.
read more carefully...powered wirelessly. This means that a hunk of plastic with no power can display an image delivered and powered by something else. I want one!!!! Sounds very different amazing...if it can be done
both of them.
I don't upgrade every year. I'm just waiting for 8G so the speeds will actually be as claimed for 4G
You obviously don't watch Fox News and are set to MSNBC. No need for political propaganda here, Mr. Troll. Everyone knows the roots and the causes. Each political party needs to own up to their part. Whatch the real videos of senior Democrats in House and Senate prior to the crash that were stating we needed to make more housing affordable for more people that can't afford houses. Tie that together with Republicans that were hoping these problem would self-regulate as banks didn't want to feel the effects of bad actions. The whole government team is to blame, each for their part in making this a reality.
um, that's what I said. Slow down and read.
I have four monitors and don't have window 8 and don't want it for my desktop. Take home a Lenovo Yoga for a couple days, and you might see the idea of combining touch screen on a laptop. I'm typing on a laptop right now. My fingers are inches away from the display. To reach up and touch the screen is MUCH easier and faster than grabbing the mouse next to the laptop or pushing my finger carefully over the mouse pad.
The concept of combining the keyboard and touch screen is not bad. Try it for a laptop. Of course, big displays and many of them (like I have...with even one up high above the other monitors) this doesn't work. This is why this is a transition OS. It is trying to still be usable for non-touch while bringing in the concept and usefulness of touch display. I only see it useful for laptops, but a lot of people are talking about that as our future (for most). Consider how many laptops there were a decade ago and how many people have one of those and no desktop at home.
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I'd pretty quickly throw it across the classroom at the wall. Kids are moving away from cursive handwriting and only printing. How long before we don't write much of anything ever? I don't know about you, but lost the ability to use a quill and ink well.
This is a transition period for MS. I believe it was Steve Jobs that said there is no need and no one will ever want a touch display on a laptop"...or something to that affect. The truth is, we're adjusting the way we do things because of phones and tablets. Now people are becoming more accustom to touching the display. It's actually quite curious that Apple didn't make this move first. Now, they will be playing catch-up to MS in the next few years.(queue iFanBois angry reply now)
Once you abandon the old way of doing things (mouse/touchpad) and realize that your display will do what you want by touching it, it is so nice and easy and fast to simply touch the button on the screen rather than moving a cursor until you hover, then click. Touch the button with your finger and you're done. Windows 8 makes sense.
Then of course, you will enjoy the ability to read news and play games that are touch enabled. I do like the news layout of the Windows 8 articles. Side scrolling, nicely spaced, easy to process (no as busy and endless and a vert. scroll).
All that being said, I have 4 Windows 8 computers, a Surface, Yoga, Sony Tap 20, high powered Asus, and then several Android tablets, but I still use a Windows 7 computer (with LOTS of horse-power and 4 displays). I'm not changing to four touch-displays in order to use Win 8 on this beast. No need for my work to have touch, but going to college, writing papers, the average person today using a laptop, I'd go full touch screen windows 8 laptop/convertible in a heart-beat.
Try a convertible like the Lenovo Yoga. I got one for my daughter off at college, and she LOVES it....she had been on windows 7 ever since it came out. When you start using a laptop with a touch-screen and Windows 8, it all makes sense and is really something great. A windows 8 laptop without a touch screen doesn't work for me either.
Confirmed. You have to search for phones on the major providers that can take a SIM card. They are usually called "Global" phones....because you can actually use them outside the US. Most phones come locked into the provider that sells them...like Verizon or AT&T. It really sucks, but you get suckered in by getting a nice phone requiring a 2 year contract. I've avoided those contracts for years, but they really lock you in long term when all of your friends and family are on the same network and then they don't charge for any airtime minutes you use when talking with someone on the same network...ie. I have Verizon....all of my calls to other Verizon users is unlimited for no additional cost.
Ah, then we have clarification in the statements above. Gears do not need to directly interact with other gears. They can through a chain interact. This means that any sprocket if connected to a chain and then very often connected to another sprocket in the chain is therefore a gear. Unfortunately, the example of the bicycle having sprockets is not a good example. In every case they are then gears.
Dang! So all those years back with my bicycle having 10 or 21 sprocket combinations and calling them gears was ignorance. Blast those bike companies and their false marketing for making me this way.
Sorta like the non-profit model used by HopeVault.org? Funding by phases of project with proof of milestones and release of funds based on donors voting and approving demonstration of work.