The big problem with this is that it's spoon feeding people a narrative that they should be able to come up with by themselves. Students should be able to make these connections on their own. For that they need all of the relevant source material. Something like this is no substitute for the courses it seems to displace.
As something extra, it's a nice idea for those with added interest. However, public schools have enough of a problem just handling the basics. Expecting them to take on something extra just shows how woefully out of touch this billionaire is.
Besides, it's not even that radical. Public broadcasting has presented shows like this for decades.
Again, extra stuff that those with an interest can seek out on their own.
Common core in general (like the rich idiot behind it) seems to forget that we can't all be millionaires and rock stars. Some of us have to pump gas or pump stomachs. Public education should acknowledge that rather than try to deny it.
No. That just shows how sad and pathetic you are an the rest of you peasants that elevate jackasses like this. It's idiots like you that allow the redeption of the reputation of Robber Barons.
Humpbacks are like the Ocean's PR department. They happily make a huge spectacle of themselves. They do this without any human intervention. No cages or trainers are required.
>> There's nothing easy about getting various H/W setup on Linux even with the best distro. > > What era do you live in? I've been using Ubuntu since inception and, since the second or third release, it's been better with hardware than Windows.
I defected to Ubuntu 8 years ago because I saw it "just work" on some random laptop. This was supposed to be the era of Linux not working on laptops. It worked like a charm including wireless and the annoying sleep modes that I immediately disabled.
> Personally speaking, I prefer the BluRay copy of "Breaking Bad" then a not quite always HD stream... then again I have a record collection, so what does that say about me
Even a DVD copy of Breaking Bad will probably be better than streaming it. Streaming quality can go to crap pretty quickly. Plus you have to "download" a stream any time you watch one. This is wasteful, consumes your data cap, and again exposes you to the problem of quality degredation.
> You can't easily exchange documents with GNU/Linux and expect it to work.
Sure you can. Or at least you can as much as you can expect this to work with random versions of office itself. This problem is so pervasive that you won't even get blamed for running a deviant word processor if there are problems.
msoffice based document interchange is so problematic that some people/industries just gave up and defected to PDF.
Like anything else, you have to focus on actual real world requirements and use cases and not the most obscure corner case that you can concoct. The same goes for "groupware". I am not convinced that this is a big problem.
Again... what people actually use versus someone's chosen bullet points.
The fact that it isn't a pure Troll doesn't mean it isn't trollling. We can neither accept these at face value nor dismiss them out of hand. It's something that actually requires a little thought and analysis.
Certainly the "moron on the street" standard should not apply here.
It gets even better. Marketing that panders to girls is no less misogynistic. It's actually even WORSE. Marketing for women is all about making women feel like sh*t, especially about their bodies. The stuff is more caustic then genuine porn.
This is just more of the "nerds bad" narrative that the media has been trying to feed us lately. In truth, "gamer culture" is no worse than anything else including the women's magazines that claims to be feminist.
Anything going on in video games is the tail end of the problem.
Yes. This is clearly driven by money. You pander to your audience. If it drives someone else bonkers, you don't really give a sh*t. All of the recent statements in the media is just meaningless lip service directed at a particularly noisy faction of nitwits.
They're the yin to the trollish yang that they are whining about.
Nothing will really come of this because American corporations are first and foremost about the bottom line. They aren't going to turn down the money. It doesn't matter if they genuinely despise the customer or not.
So this little tempest is nothing more than professional trolling and confirmation that real journalism is dead.
If you are big enough to have a branch office in Timbuktu then you should be big enough for there to be someone in the home office that speaks whatever they speak there.
Of course this runs counter to the current corporate culture fad of cost cutting and defining success based on quarterly profits and stock results.
> In fairness, anyone who actually learns to program on their own can muddle through with a couple of printf's and a stopwatch
That approach is so crude and unsophisticated that just about anyone would know well enough not to admit to actually doing something that primitive.
> Honestly, even if I'm doing it a on a million items, O(N^2) vs O(N) isn't a big deal - hardware is cheaper than my time.
No. Not really. Plus that difference you are glossing over there can mean the difference between the problem being solvable with currently available hardware (or not). There's only so much hardware you can throw at a problem before you exhaust that approach.
Actually. The more I look at your statement, the more the mind simply BOGGLES.
See there. That's something from my worthless University degree adapted and mangled to fit the situation.
"Having no degree" is a bit different from "having no CS degree".
Getting past the gatekeepers is the problem. You can have a degree in theater or math and still get a job in computing. The bar is having SOME kind of degree. This is not a problem just in computing. It's a general corporate affliction.
In some jobs, other fields it seems like an even more gratuitous requirements.
The guys I've known with no college education stand out because it's so unusual for them to get past the gatekeepers.
Yes. Because a few off the cuff remarks given little effort because they are ultimately no real value certainly implies that all of his professional work is substandard and useless. [/sarc]
Clearly the classic subjects are being neglected here either in primary education or at University.
The value of "learning to program" is roughly comparable to the 1st year of CS classes at a reputable University. It is certainly not a replacement for the entire degree. Also, the degree is no replacement for practical experience.
There really aren't any shortcuts. There's a certain amount of time and effort you need to spend getting really good at something. Even Mozart couldn't escape from it.
This reminds me of one of my cousins that thought you could get into computing by taking shortcuts like a weekend bootcamp. It was ultimately motivated by the usual underlying contempt that people have in general for anyone else's profession. (It's not just a computing thing)
The Ottomans and all of the other Islamic empires are much more responsible for what state the Middle East is in today. Why can't the 3 factions in Iraq get along? Why can't the factions in Lebanon get along? Why can't the factions in Syria get along. Why does Egypt despise the Gazans just as much as the Israelis do?
This probably has more to do with the 1000+ years these territories spent under the control of various Islamic empires ending with the Ottomans.
They change colors quicker than the Paris fashion industry. That's actually one of the key problems with Ukraine that a lot of people seem to be missing here. They have not had any sort of consensus since they became an independent nation. They are a a slightly more functional version of Iraq.
If not for Putin's constant and obvious meddling, the discontent of one of Ukraine's 3 factions would seem a lot more plausible.
History is not kind to nations that are tied to the fortunes of a single man or even a single royal family. He's got to be able to step aside or it will all fall apart sooner or later. Without a dynasty, that will probably be sooner rather than later.
> I suspect my next CPU will be arm(MIPS). I am astonished that I see I CPU the cost of several 1080p tablets.
Yes. And you will have to "outsource" any interesting computational tasks like something as simple as voice recognition. ARM based devices are good enough only so long as your use of it fits narrowly defined parameters driven by what speciality silicon is on your particular SoC. Even that is limited.
ARM lags behind even ancient and discontinued x86 processors. PCs also have more interesting "speciality silicon" too.
It took awhile for that regime to warm up. They didn't kill 30 million people over night. The entire enterprise required the apathy of a large populace over a long period of time.
> Yeah, because there's absolutely no install base of Windows Server out there, and it sure doesn't run entire sectors of the economy worth trillions of dollars. > > Are you high?
Entire sectors? Trillions?
I think that you are the one that's high, or deluded, or just incredibly clueless.
You need to stop confusing your personal consumer fixation with real work.
Being 30 years old is not inherently problematic. If being 30 years old is a problem, you have to actually state what the problem is. Actually have an argument.
The PIO thing seems like it would be a minor nuissance. Again it seems like something that's "superficially tragic".
The balance of the tradeoffs don't seem to be in EFI's favor unless you are a mindless adherent of the "new shiny shiny".
> I had no idea that people still thought that being a woman made it impossible to be physically strong,
Not impossible. Just more difficult. Women are built differently. That's an objective fact you cannot escape from. That will cause the best male athletes to be better than the best female ones.
Although SKILL may alter the situation for sports where that can be a factor.
> I mean, face it, men are just more willing to be the trolls and make life miserable for each other. Women see that and avoid the whole issue altogether.
Are you kidding? Women love politics and backstabbing. In fact, they are much better at it than men are. They just like to pretend that they are better. If anything, all of this committee nonsense sounds like the sort of thing fueled by women rather than something they would flee from.
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The big problem with this is that it's spoon feeding people a narrative that they should be able to come up with by themselves. Students should be able to make these connections on their own. For that they need all of the relevant source material. Something like this is no substitute for the courses it seems to displace.
As something extra, it's a nice idea for those with added interest. However, public schools have enough of a problem just handling the basics. Expecting them to take on something extra just shows how woefully out of touch this billionaire is.
Besides, it's not even that radical. Public broadcasting has presented shows like this for decades.
Again, extra stuff that those with an interest can seek out on their own.
Common core in general (like the rich idiot behind it) seems to forget that we can't all be millionaires and rock stars. Some of us have to pump gas or pump stomachs. Public education should acknowledge that rather than try to deny it.
No. That just shows how sad and pathetic you are an the rest of you peasants that elevate jackasses like this. It's idiots like you that allow the redeption of the reputation of Robber Barons.
Humpbacks are like the Ocean's PR department. They happily make a huge spectacle of themselves. They do this without any human intervention. No cages or trainers are required.
They just do it all by themselves...
>> There's nothing easy about getting various H/W setup on Linux even with the best distro.
>
> What era do you live in? I've been using Ubuntu since inception and, since the second or third release, it's been better with hardware than Windows.
I defected to Ubuntu 8 years ago because I saw it "just work" on some random laptop. This was supposed to be the era of Linux not working on laptops. It worked like a charm including wireless and the annoying sleep modes that I immediately disabled.
> Personally speaking, I prefer the BluRay copy of "Breaking Bad" then a not quite always HD stream... then again I have a record collection, so what does that say about me
Even a DVD copy of Breaking Bad will probably be better than streaming it. Streaming quality can go to crap pretty quickly. Plus you have to "download" a stream any time you watch one. This is wasteful, consumes your data cap, and again exposes you to the problem of quality degredation.
> You can't easily exchange documents with GNU/Linux and expect it to work.
Sure you can. Or at least you can as much as you can expect this to work with random versions of office itself. This problem is so pervasive that you won't even get blamed for running a deviant word processor if there are problems.
msoffice based document interchange is so problematic that some people/industries just gave up and defected to PDF.
Like anything else, you have to focus on actual real world requirements and use cases and not the most obscure corner case that you can concoct. The same goes for "groupware". I am not convinced that this is a big problem.
Again... what people actually use versus someone's chosen bullet points.
The fact that it isn't a pure Troll doesn't mean it isn't trollling. We can neither accept these at face value nor dismiss them out of hand. It's something that actually requires a little thought and analysis.
Certainly the "moron on the street" standard should not apply here.
It gets even better. Marketing that panders to girls is no less misogynistic. It's actually even WORSE. Marketing for women is all about making women feel like sh*t, especially about their bodies. The stuff is more caustic then genuine porn.
This is just more of the "nerds bad" narrative that the media has been trying to feed us lately. In truth, "gamer culture" is no worse than anything else including the women's magazines that claims to be feminist.
Anything going on in video games is the tail end of the problem.
Yes. This is clearly driven by money. You pander to your audience. If it drives someone else bonkers, you don't really give a sh*t. All of the recent statements in the media is just meaningless lip service directed at a particularly noisy faction of nitwits.
They're the yin to the trollish yang that they are whining about.
Nothing will really come of this because American corporations are first and foremost about the bottom line. They aren't going to turn down the money. It doesn't matter if they genuinely despise the customer or not.
So this little tempest is nothing more than professional trolling and confirmation that real journalism is dead.
If you are big enough to have a branch office in Timbuktu then you should be big enough for there to be someone in the home office that speaks whatever they speak there.
Of course this runs counter to the current corporate culture fad of cost cutting and defining success based on quarterly profits and stock results.
> In fairness, anyone who actually learns to program on their own can muddle through with a couple of printf's and a stopwatch
That approach is so crude and unsophisticated that just about anyone would know well enough not to admit to actually doing something that primitive.
> Honestly, even if I'm doing it a on a million items, O(N^2) vs O(N) isn't a big deal - hardware is cheaper than my time.
No. Not really. Plus that difference you are glossing over there can mean the difference between the problem being solvable with currently available hardware (or not). There's only so much hardware you can throw at a problem before you exhaust that approach.
Actually. The more I look at your statement, the more the mind simply BOGGLES.
boggles...
Lies, damned lies, and rhetoric...
See there. That's something from my worthless University degree adapted and mangled to fit the situation.
"Having no degree" is a bit different from "having no CS degree".
Getting past the gatekeepers is the problem. You can have a degree in theater or math and still get a job in computing. The bar is having SOME kind of degree. This is not a problem just in computing. It's a general corporate affliction.
In some jobs, other fields it seems like an even more gratuitous requirements.
The guys I've known with no college education stand out because it's so unusual for them to get past the gatekeepers.
Yes. Because a few off the cuff remarks given little effort because they are ultimately no real value certainly implies that all of his professional work is substandard and useless. [/sarc]
Clearly the classic subjects are being neglected here either in primary education or at University.
The value of "learning to program" is roughly comparable to the 1st year of CS classes at a reputable University. It is certainly not a replacement for the entire degree. Also, the degree is no replacement for practical experience.
There really aren't any shortcuts. There's a certain amount of time and effort you need to spend getting really good at something. Even Mozart couldn't escape from it.
This reminds me of one of my cousins that thought you could get into computing by taking shortcuts like a weekend bootcamp. It was ultimately motivated by the usual underlying contempt that people have in general for anyone else's profession. (It's not just a computing thing)
Europe has only had 100 years to mess things up.
The Ottomans and all of the other Islamic empires are much more responsible for what state the Middle East is in today. Why can't the 3 factions in Iraq get along? Why can't the factions in Lebanon get along? Why can't the factions in Syria get along. Why does Egypt despise the Gazans just as much as the Israelis do?
This probably has more to do with the 1000+ years these territories spent under the control of various Islamic empires ending with the Ottomans.
> Imagine this scenario ...
Except it's Ukraine.
They change colors quicker than the Paris fashion industry. That's actually one of the key problems with Ukraine that a lot of people seem to be missing here. They have not had any sort of consensus since they became an independent nation. They are a a slightly more functional version of Iraq.
If not for Putin's constant and obvious meddling, the discontent of one of Ukraine's 3 factions would seem a lot more plausible.
History is not kind to nations that are tied to the fortunes of a single man or even a single royal family. He's got to be able to step aside or it will all fall apart sooner or later. Without a dynasty, that will probably be sooner rather than later.
NOTHING that is managed by init is the sort of thing that any random clueless rube has any business going near.
Not that any of the replacements are actually any easier to deal with.
Simply being the "new shiny shiny" means that it is untested and unproven. That's not something you just can casually gloss gloss over.
This adversity to change is common to ALL professionally managed systems. It has nothing to do with Unix in particular.
If it is anything like Upstart then it is a bunch of added complexity for no real gain.
> I suspect my next CPU will be arm(MIPS). I am astonished that I see I CPU the cost of several 1080p tablets.
Yes. And you will have to "outsource" any interesting computational tasks like something as simple as voice recognition. ARM based devices are good enough only so long as your use of it fits narrowly defined parameters driven by what speciality silicon is on your particular SoC. Even that is limited.
ARM lags behind even ancient and discontinued x86 processors. PCs also have more interesting "speciality silicon" too.
It took awhile for that regime to warm up. They didn't kill 30 million people over night. The entire enterprise required the apathy of a large populace over a long period of time.
It required your kind of apathy.
> Yeah, because there's absolutely no install base of Windows Server out there, and it sure doesn't run entire sectors of the economy worth trillions of dollars.
>
> Are you high?
Entire sectors? Trillions?
I think that you are the one that's high, or deluded, or just incredibly clueless.
You need to stop confusing your personal consumer fixation with real work.
Being 30 years old is not inherently problematic. If being 30 years old is a problem, you have to actually state what the problem is. Actually have an argument.
The PIO thing seems like it would be a minor nuissance. Again it seems like something that's "superficially tragic".
The balance of the tradeoffs don't seem to be in EFI's favor unless you are a mindless adherent of the "new shiny shiny".
> I had no idea that people still thought that being a woman made it impossible to be physically strong,
Not impossible. Just more difficult. Women are built differently. That's an objective fact you cannot escape from. That will cause the best male athletes to be better than the best female ones.
Although SKILL may alter the situation for sports where that can be a factor.
> I mean, face it, men are just more willing to be the trolls and make life miserable for each other. Women see that and avoid the whole issue altogether.
Are you kidding? Women love politics and backstabbing. In fact, they are much better at it than men are. They just like to pretend that they are better. If anything, all of this committee nonsense sounds like the sort of thing fueled by women rather than something they would flee from.