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In Maryland, a Soviet-Style Punishment For a Novelist

An anonymous reader writes A 23-year-old teacher at a Cambridge, Md. middle school has been placed on leave and—in the words of a local news report — "taken in for an emergency medical evaluation" for publishing, under a pseudonym, a novel about a school shooting. The novelist, Patrick McLaw, an eighth-grade language-arts teacher at the Mace's Lane Middle School, was placed on leave by the Dorchester County Board of Education, and is being investigated by the Dorchester County Sheriff's Office, according to news reports from Maryland's Eastern Shore. The novel, by the way, is set 900 years in the future."

441 comments

  1. Sue the bastards by realmolo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow. Talk about a lawsuit that you are *guaranteed* to win.

    This guy is going to make millions.

    1. Re:Sue the bastards by Jack9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's hope so.

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    2. Re:Sue the bastards by mysidia · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't know. It sounds like they kidnapped him in the night, forced him to leave hims hometown, and have imprisoned him somewhere against his will, just based on a fictional novel --- probably a jail or psych ward, where they are already administering drugs, so he won't have the mental faculties left to pursue any action, not that he could without ability to travel and speak to an attorney.

      McLaw was suspended by the Dorchester County Board of Education pending an investigation and is no longer in the area. He is currently at a location known to law enforcement and does not currently have the ability to travel anywhere.

    3. Re:Sue the bastards by jythie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The person's chances are not all that good. Unless the union backs them up (and even then it can be a stretch) schools are pretty hard to go up against. "Think of the children", while often mocked, is a pretty powerful rallying cry for local officials who might be worried about parental outrage or practicing 'cover your ass' security where it is better to come down hard and be seeing to be doing something then risk something happening and be blamed for not acting. The life of some middle school teacher does not even begin to factor in.

    4. Re:Sue the bastards by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The schools are good at keeping people from teaching.

      But they do this by paying LARGE amounts of money.

      If the union backs him, he will probably get his job.

      If the union does not back him, he won't get his job, he will instead get a ton of money.

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    5. Re:Sue the bastards by chemicaldave · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Think of the children"

      The book is 900 years in the future. I think you mean "Think of the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren."

    6. Re:Sue the bastards by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If his books are any good in the slightest, then he's going to make a killing on this publicity.

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    7. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hopefully, but probably not. The author is black.

    8. Re:Sue the bastards by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      The person's chances are not all that good. Unless the union backs them up (and even then it can be a stretch) schools are pretty hard to go up against. "Think of the children", while often mocked, is a pretty powerful rallying cry for local officials who might be worried about parental outrage or practicing 'cover your ass' security where it is better to come down hard and be seeing to be doing something then risk something happening and be blamed for not acting. The life of some middle school teacher does not even begin to factor in.

      Nah... I don't live in Maryland, but in my state... in my highschool, one of our teachers that was in his mid 30's started "Dating" a freshman. She broke up with him, so he started sending her letters, stalking her, finally ended up crawling in her bedroom window one night and her dad caught him. They fired him, he was charged and convicted of statutory, but then a judge forced the school to hire him back, with back pay. As far as I know he's still teaching there. Totally ostracized and they gave him a "Shop class" that no one takes, but he has a job.

      So yea, it's pretty hard to get fired as a teacher.

    9. Re:Sue the bastards by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      So far they haven't.

    10. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There would be a lot less hysteria if the summary told us Patrick was black. How he escaped another "police involved shooting" is beyond me. Probably doesn't smoke marijuana is the best I can tell.

    11. Re:Sue the bastards by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand, in my high school we had a teacher with whom a freshman became obsessed including showing up drunk at his house. Even though he never did anything with her and rebuffed her advances he was fired because parents were concerned about one of their daughters and a teacher.

      Meanwhile one of our other teachers, a woman, was known to sleep with students and married one after he graduated, nothing was ever done to her. The difficulty of firing a teacher pretty much comes down to how much PR is involved and if the union feels it will be better served getting rid of the person vs keeping them, either due to internal or external political concerns.

    12. Re:Sue the bastards by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Someone should write a dystopian sci-fi novel about this (oh wait/Yo Dawg...).

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    13. Re:Sue the bastards by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Think of the children is the battle cry of Tyrants everywhere. I won't vote for anyone, even if I agree 99% with them politically, if they make any statement similar to "do it for the children". I urge every slashdotter to do the same this election cycle, even if it means voting for the "other guy". AND let the Politicians know that hiding behind skirts and baby strollers is what terrorists do.

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    14. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      three whole degrees worse than Fahrenheit 451

    15. Re:Sue the bastards by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      That would mean not voting for the Repubmocrats at the very least, or more likely, abstaining altogether...

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    16. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      writing a published novel is not grounds for civil commitment or emergency medical evaluation, even if he is a teacher. he should sue the school district and if the union doesn't back him the union as well. writing a book IS NOT the same as writing a threat to shoot up the school.

    17. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      convicted of statutory and the school was forced to hire him back? i'm not believeing it until you link to a news article

    18. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every American can be put in jail, often for life, at the whim of authorities: http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx.

    19. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "do it for the children"

      I am unaware of any other method by which children are produced. Please enlighten us.

    20. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that getting the story out to the public will have much more influence than the unions in terms of getting him freed, and suing the living shit out of that school district. Lets hope the public is smart enough to fire every board member that approved of this, and lets hope that there is a DA with enough balls to go after these people for at least Filing a False Police Report (which is a felony and can be pursued by either State of Federal prosecutors).

    21. Re:Sue the bastards by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      I urge every slashdotter to do the same this election cycle, even if it means voting for the "other guy".

      I always vote for the other guy.

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    22. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Not, it is due to preferential treament of women in the law system.

    23. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Do it for fun" is far more effective at causing pregnancy.

    24. Re:Sue the bastards by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Nice, he has a paid holiday already and it can only get better.

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    25. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contrary to popular belief, that book is not about censorship (the author say so).

    26. Re:Sue the bastards by camsbad · · Score: 0

      Patrick McLaw is black and here is a link to the local news video the night the story broke ...

      http://www.wboc.com/category/174346/main-wboc-video-player?clipId=10513440&autostart=true

      I found it to be perplexing, still to this day no one is saying why (besides writing some books) he has been banned from the schools and teaching. Last time I checked we were still afforded the freedom of speech!!!

    27. Re:Sue the bastards by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Welcome to america..

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    28. Re:Sue the bastards by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      Here's a link to the Dorchester County Board of Education members. There's an e-mail address there where you can tell them what you think of them as well.

      http://www.dcps.k12.md.us/Boar...

    29. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have problem with that.
      Laser blasters are really dangerous.
      Anyone with a dilithium laser blaster should be arrested, imaginary or not.

    30. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In motha America, institution has you

    31. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every American can be put in jail, often for life, at the whim of authorities: http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx.

      Yep. Just walk up to your local public office holder, slap them upside the head with your open hand, and you will have a high-security bedroom in a place to stay for the night and probably much longer. When I say high-security bedroom I don't mean highly secure for your protection.

    32. Re:Sue the bastards by jlb.think · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Law enforcment is not bound by HIPPA, but are hesitant to divulge what may be considered private under HIPPA. I have had people close to me sent to psychiatric institutions and once they are there the staff won't tell anyone they are even there without a waiver being signed by the patient. This is very frustrating when the police show up and hall off your loved one, and they seem to disappear into a blackhole. A few days later I did recieve a call. But if a patient was sufficiently drugged and unable or not allowed to make phone calls they could disappear indefinitely, drugged-incapacitated and without the mental capacity to challenge their detention.

    33. Re:Sue the bastards by gbjbaanb · · Score: 5, Interesting

      America.... home of the fr... yeah right.

      Anyway, take a look at the kind of books that are *taught* in schools:

              Romeo and Juliet by Shakespeare
              Macbeth by Shakespeare
              Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
              Julius Caesar by Shakespeare
              To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
              The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne
              Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
              Hamlet by Shakespeare
              The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
              Lord of the Flies by William Golding

      So lets see... underage sex, murder of your relatives, regicide, racism, lynchings, rape, adultery, organised crime, a mentally-ill killer and of course - lawless schoolboys killing each other! What's not to love about the American school system, yeehaw!

    34. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least they got him before he opened fire.

    35. Re:Sue the bastards by AndyKron · · Score: 1

      I sure as fuck hope so, goddamnit!

    36. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, so have they built another gitmo in Maryland? Awesome, maybe they will proliferate like mcdonnalds or 7elevens...

    37. Re:Sue the bastards by PRMan · · Score: 1

      That's why you hire a lawyer for them and have the lawyer start poking around. Even if the lawyer won't end up telling YOU what happened, they should be able to find out and ensure that the loved one is being taken care of adequately and not having their rights abused.

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    38. Re:Sue the bastards by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      The New America where the state is elevated and individual rights and liberties are ignored.

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    39. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was a kid at school for advanced lit I had

      Ferinheit 451 (Sex, Murder, subversion)
      1984 (Sex, state regulated sex, Murder Subversion)
      Heinlien's Friday (Awesome group sex concepts in that one, Buttloads of murder, and epic truckloads of subversion)
      Great Gatsby (Sex, Sex, Murder, Murder Sex, and Subversion)
      Animal Farm (Murder, More Murder, dark Subversion)
      Lord of the Flies (Murder, murder, justified murder, Subversion)

      The only book that had healthy human sex in it was Friday, only one that showed real consentual sex that had happiness attached to it, Even 1984 seems more of a rape scene or reluctant forced sex.

      Honestly there needs to be more books like Friday that shows sex as a normal human thing instead of violence and dirty. Most kids are utterly ruined by the Twisted morality we shovel in their faces.

      Then you have the Psychopathic Puritan ways that we staple to kids foreheads turning them into screwed up adults.

    40. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I went through a similar situation as this guy, although not to quite the same extremes, and I can say based on personal experiences that you don't need the union to show that various parties are violating constitutional rights as well as their own various professional standards of conduct. My guess is that--*assuming there isn't more to this story* (which is important)--the authorities involved are heavily liable for damages and may lose their professional status.

      Buy his books if you want to support him.

      p.s. To be fair to the police, they may want to protect the guy from vigilantes who are even more clueless than they seem at this point in time to be (which they might not be, depending on what the rest of the story is).

    41. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you don't support better education? Seems like allocating funds to schools is for the children. Why be so extreme?

    42. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're now clearly on the road to Fahrenheit 454.

      I didn't know there were sequels!

      I am now burning with curiosity to find out what happens in them.

    43. Re:Sue the bastards by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      In the Democratic Peoples Republic of Maryland (DPRM) one has the duty to refrain inciting the proletariat with bourgeous state disapproved expressions.

    44. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even when it's something along the lines of "increase public school funding for the children"?

    45. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be too sure. As everybody knows, the rules of school shootings are
      1. You don't talk about school shootings.
      2. You do not talk about school shootings.
      3. Someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the teaching career is over.
      4. Only one to two shooters to a shooting.
      5. One shooting at a time, fellas. If more, less attention of the media.
      6. No shirts, no shoes. Or full blown Matrix outfit. Other fetish outfits are just wrong.
      7. Shootings will go on as long as they have to, or the bullets last.
      8. If this is your first school shooting, you have to shoot yourself as well.

    46. Re:Sue the bastards by dissy · · Score: 1

      The life of some middle school teacher does not even begin to factor in.

      Before saying that out loud, tell yourself a few times in your head: "I have done the exact same amount of damage to children as this middle school teacher" before you begin demanding sentences for crimes you too are guilty of...

    47. Re:Sue the bastards by pspahn · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure, but I do know that nobody in Texas is having sex, because they're all fucking here.

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    48. Re:Sue the bastards by zlives · · Score: 1

      this just in we can no longer afford freedoms, i think that has something to do with gay marriage or taliban, on or the other

    49. Re:Sue the bastards by pspahn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Curious, I have seen on the ballot every single year everywhere I have ever lived there is always a measure to "support better education" by "allocating more funds". What I find so odd, is that despite these measures passing, and education getting more funds, next year there will be another measure that uses the same language.

      If we keep making schools better by giving them more money, why aren't schools exponentially better by now?

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    50. Re: Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you cannot be compelled to take drugs in a mental facility. (except in new york state with a court order)

    51. Re:Sue the bastards by Altus · · Score: 1

      I am shocked the assigned you Heinlien at a public school. I would be they aren't doing that these days.

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    52. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't fundamentally fix stupid.

    53. Re:Sue the bastards by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 0

      Welcome to amerika..

      FTFY.

    54. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The book was published in October of 2013, almost a full year ago. It was a sequel. The first book he published (which included a school shooting) was in 2011, which was before he was even hired.

      I must ask....

      Of all the school shootings we have seen, in how many of them was the shooter a teacher that worked for the school?

      And also....

      Should Due Process protect authors of fiction from being forced to endure arrest and medical evaluation just because they write about edgy topics?

    55. Re:Sue the bastards by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      It is an accounting trick.

      Schools are supposed to be funded via property taxes, etc. which all goes into a general pool.

      So the states pass laws like allowing a lottery - "10 cents of every dollar sold will go towards education". Sounds great right? Well... until they take away the *normal* funding thru the regular sources, and all the schools have left for their budgets is the lottery monies.

      Rinse and repeat.

      Of course, occasionally you'll get the limited time tax - like "impose a .25% extra on sales tax in $whatever county to pay for this new school/science building/library/whatever". Then that year's is done, so they put a new one up for again a quarter percent sales tax increase to fund this other thing. Again, rinse and repeat.

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    56. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ACLU will destroy that school district. He may never get to teach again thanks to the bad rep that will always follow him, but he will make millions.

    57. Re:Sue the bastards by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      Wow. They laid it on pretty thick. "He went be several aliases." That's kind of a sinister spin on publishing a few novels under different pseudonyms.

    58. Re:Sue the bastards by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 1

      Usually these are about capital improvements, such as fixing leaking roofs or moving building permanent buildings instead of portables.

      What seems to have the biggest impact is spending per-pupil, and States that spend more money tend to do comparatively better than those that do not. For instance, New York public schools tend to produce better results than California public schools, despite similar challenges, likely because of New York State's higher per-pupil spending.

    59. Re:Sue the bastards by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's hope so.

      So we should hope that someone can collect millions in taxpayer dollars because they were placed on paid leave? TFA is a biased opinion piece presenting third and fourth hand information, and quotes with no context, in a clear attempt to generate outrage, and thus pageviews. I have no idea what the real story is, but maybe everyone should just calm down and wait for the facts to come out from a reputable source that doesn't use "Soviet-Style Punishment" in their headline. The Soviets didn't send their enemies home on paid leave.

    60. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The person's chances are not all that good. Unless the union backs them up (and even then it can be a stretch) schools are pretty hard to go up against. "Think of the children", while often mocked, is a pretty powerful rallying cry for local officials who might be worried about parental outrage or practicing 'cover your ass' security where it is better to come down hard and be seeing to be doing something then risk something happening and be blamed for not acting. The life of some middle school teacher does not even begin to factor in.

      I fear "Protect the First Amendment - think of the children!" won't fly as well as "HULK SMASH AUTHOR - think of the children!" This makes me a sad panda, and should make you a sad panda too.

    61. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This varies widely by district. In my high school, I had a teacher who got fired and is not welcome back and couldn't get another job even if she tried. In her case, some troubled kid made up a story about an intimate relationship with her. It was not true, but the consequences for the teacher were very real. Yes, she was proven innocent in court, but that doesn't matter when the public has decided that they don't believe her.

    62. Re:Sue the bastards by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      You're doing it wrong. It's easy to get fired as a teacher. Just start teaching critical thinking, how to express yourself, creativity, questioning of authority and independent thought, and see how long it is until you get fired.

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    63. Re:Sue the bastards by disposable60 · · Score: 1

      Stepson had to read F451 sophomore year of HS *he's a senior now*

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    64. Re:Sue the bastards by barakn · · Score: 1

      A bunch of white guys except for the token minority (two birds with one stone, she's female and black). And I'd bet the two guys sharing the last name of Bramble vote in lockstep on everything. Curiously, Glen Bramble won his race in 2008 against a contestant named Troi Lynn Bramble Jones http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/md... . And there were some oddly close votes in 2012 http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/md...

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    65. Re: Sue the bastards by mysidia · · Score: 1

      you cannot be compelled to take drugs in a mental facility. (except in new york state with a court order)

      They will say you resisted and give you a strong sedative.

      Once you are deemed to not have the mental capacity to choose their own treatment: what drugs you will be administered is completely at the discretion of professionals medically managing your condition at the facility.

    66. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure about you, but I'd rather get paid to go to my job rather than get paid to be locked in an asylum.

    67. Re:Sue the bastards by mysidia · · Score: 1

      America.... home of the fr... yeah right.

      Hi, America is still free, as long as you perform all speech from inside a designated free speech zone. His mistake was that he wrote books and sent the materials to a publisher: which means the material clearly passed through public property lying outside the designated free speech zones.

      Keep your speech and body inside zones in which the constitution applies (at least 200 miles away from any border or coastline of the US), and you should be fine

    68. Re:Sue the bastards by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I support educating children, yes. However, working in Public Education, I can assure you that Educating Kids is almost secondary to all the people in Administration and in the Political Classes, who just want to report that they are doing well on "Education" with their initiatives, programs and for union goals of the same.

      FYI, the number one indicator of success in school, are the parents.

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    69. Re:Sue the bastards by Phreakiture · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have no idea what the real story is,

      There is a less hysterical piece at NewsOne, also this from the Washington Times. There is also an opposing opinion in the Baltimore Sun.

      Does that help?

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    70. Re:Sue the bastards by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is no correlation to money spent and education success. If you want the best correlation to success in education, look at parents. Children with Actively engaged, supportive parents, regardless of race, ethnicity or otherwise, are way more likely to be successful in their own education, than children with distant, uncaring adult supervision.

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    71. Re: Sue the bastards by qbast · · Score: 1

      And who is going to believe you? Once you have 'mental facility' on your record, your credibility is gone.

    72. Re:Sue the bastards by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 2

      Thirty generations about thirty years apart? I like your precision.

    73. Re:Sue the bastards by pspahn · · Score: 1

      If just spending more money produced a better education, then why has real spending per pupil doubled since the 70's with no improvement in results?

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    74. Re:Sue the bastards by Minwee · · Score: 1

      wait for the facts to come out from a reputable source that doesn't use "Soviet-Style Punishment" in their headline. The Soviets didn't send their enemies home on paid leave.

      It's not their enemies, but members of the government.who would find themselves suddenly and mysteriously ill whenever they became inconvenient. Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko each enjoyed very brief stints in the Kremlin before suddenly revealing that they were critically ill and needed to immediately step down and never speak to anyone again.

    75. Re:Sue the bastards by Ultracrepidarian · · Score: 1

      And then there's the Bible.

    76. Re:Sue the bastards by cshark · · Score: 1

      I wonder, are they holding him as a witness to a crime that doesn't happen for 900 years? How are they taking this seriously?

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    77. Re: Sue the bastards by IMightB · · Score: 1

      Inflation?

    78. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      convicted of statutory and the school was forced to hire him back? i'm not believeing it until you link to a news article

      I agree. Link or it didn't happen.

    79. Re:Sue the bastards by lxw56 · · Score: 2

      LA Times Books has an update that provides more insight to this story.

      TL;DR:
      McLaw wrote a 4-page letter to "local officials" prompting these concerns.
      His lawyer gave a statement saying he is in a medical facility receiving treatment. Lawyer is not alleging that his rights were violated.

    80. Re:Sue the bastards by lxw56 · · Score: 1

      Update is here

    81. Re: Sue the bastards by pspahn · · Score: 1

      I said real spending. It is already adjusted for inflation. Similar findings have been found in the UK and France.

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    82. Re:Sue the bastards by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Does that help?

      Yes, that helps, since these sources contradict many of the "facts", and the main theme, of TFA:

      - His book The Insurrectionist was published more than three years ago.
      - School authorities have been aware of the book since it was first published.
      - His book had little or no influence on the decision to place him on administrative leave.
      - The main reason for his suspension was a "bizarre" four page letter that he wrote to county officials, that raised mental health concerns.
      - He has not been arrested, and is not being charged with any offence (TFA does not say he was, buy many commenters here have assumed this).
      - It does not appear that his mental health evaluation was mandatory or coerced in anyway other than as a condition of returning to work.

      So it appears that there were some legitimate concerns about his mental health, and that authorities' response to those concerns was measured and reasonable.

    83. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko each enjoyed very brief stints in the Kremlin"

      Yeah, Brezhnev had a very brief 18 year stint in the Kremlin.

    84. Re:Sue the bastards by Bonzoli · · Score: 1

      Never read any of those in school. Our reading was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D... . I suppose if I'd taken more advanced literature I'd have done Shakespeare's writings.
      I'd have better grammar also, chances missed. :)

    85. Re:Sue the bastards by Insightfill · · Score: 1

      Anyway, take a look at the kind of books that are *taught* in schools:
                      Romeo and Juliet by Shakespeare
                      Macbeth by Shakespeare
                      Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
                      Julius Caesar by Shakespeare
                      To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
                      The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne
                      Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
                      Hamlet by Shakespeare
                      The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald
                      Lord of the Flies by William Golding

      And each of these books has been banned in some district or another every year. Harry Potter, etc.

      "Banned Books Week" is the last week of September in the US. Many libraries at least put up a couple of signs calling attention to it.

    86. Re:Sue the bastards by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko each enjoyed very brief stints in the Kremlin before suddenly revealing that they were critically ill

      Leonid Brezhnev ran the Kremlin for more than 18 years, which most people would not consider "brief". For Andropov and Chernenko, you have the cause and effect reversed. They were chosen specifically because they were old and sick, and thus good compromise candidates for various factions that wanted someone likely to have a short tenure.

    87. Re:Sue the bastards by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That is not going to help, as it is taxpayer money. What would need to happen here is criminal punishment for those that infringed on his rights and freedoms.

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    88. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bullshit...
      in our school district, literally ALL the teachers are given notice EVERY YEAR... now, about 50-75% pretty much figure they will be invited back, but many have NO IDEA if they will be hired back, what school they may be at, or even what class they can teach, and may not know until 2-3 weeks INTO the new school year when the admin figures out who/what/where they need teachers to babysit which brats where and when...
      yeah, teaching is such a cushy job, wonder why everyone doesn't do that...
      *snort*

    89. Re:Sue the bastards by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 1

      1. Your claim that there is "no result" is so ambiguous as to be meaningless.

      2. You assume that demographics are the same today as they were 40-50 years ago, which is false.

      For instance, a Hispanic person who turned 18 in 1975 had about a 60% chance of graduating high school, versus 80% today. Furthermore, the demographics of Americans has changed substantially. The foreign-born population in the US was 9.6 million in 1970. In 2010, it had increased to 40 million. Educating foreign born students and their children is typically much more resource-intensive than getting third generation Americans to the same level.

      Again, studies have shown a direct correlation between student performance and per-pupil spending among similar demographic groups. I see you present no evidence to dispute that.

    90. Re:Sue the bastards by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      And YOU are the one who will be paying. I agree to sue but to sue so the offending public officials are fired.WE the taxpayers should never have to pay for a lawsuit a government official can be fired for. Fire them all.

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    91. Re:Sue the bastards by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 1

      Making an unqualified statement is not a valid argument. Pretty much all the studies that support your contention are all funded by right-wing or libertarian groups that cherry pick data.

      SOURCES:

      http://www.edweek.org/ew/artic...

      http://247wallst.com/special-r...

    92. Re:Sue the bastards by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Ezekiel 23:20

      Some of the nastiest fan fiction porn on the internet has nothing on the bible.

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    93. Re:Sue the bastards by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      F451 is nothing like Heinlein.

      Literary types even read F451. But don't hold that against it. It's still a good book. No incoherent Irishmen babbling for 300 pages.

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    94. Re:Sue the bastards by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They asked for a bureaucracy, they got one.

      I'm guessing it's a workaround for tenure rules.

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    95. Re:Sue the bastards by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Everybody doing these studies has an axe to grind.

      Why don't you add a third data point to your comparison; DC schools? Because it doesn't support your argument? There's your axe and grinding wheel.

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    96. Re: Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't "arrest" him... Just go to a mental hospital or else...

    97. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is that rather than a story of "Over-reaction by elected officials and law enforcement", we instead have a story about "piss-poor and irresponsible reporting by the mainstream media"?
       
      Not a problem, I can whip up some fake internet outrage over that just as well as the original intention.
      Flame on!

    98. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you very much for that informative post.

      All this reasonableness has made the story a bit more boring, though.

    99. Re:Sue the bastards by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what you're saying is that rather than a story of "Over-reaction by elected officials and law enforcement", we instead have a story about "piss-poor and irresponsible reporting by the mainstream media"?

      I think the much more interesting story is "Why do presumably educated and internet savvy Slashdot readers repeatedly believe journalistic garbage that can be debunked with a 30 second Google search?".

    100. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife's a teacher in a district where all the schools get identical per-student budgets. The only difference between the good schools and the bad schools is the parenting. And believe me, there is quite a range of bad to good schools in that district.

      If your kid shows up to grade 1 not knowing how to read or sit still, and has never eaten a nutritious breakfast in their life, they're already screwed. Especially if there are 15+ others just like them in their class.

    101. Re:Sue the bastards by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Heh, and studies have also shown that an increase in per student spending is not reflected in test score improvement, again, studies that were repeated in the UK and France.

      You can certainly increase spending from $0 to $X for a specific demographic group and see an improvement in test scores. I am not questioning that your side-case of an Hispanic student that didn't exist 40 years ago would see an improvement over zero. Also, didn't you consider that because of readily accessible information now that you would expect to see a natural rise in test scores because of the Internet? I would think minority demographics would be seeing dramatic changes here as there is less of a need to rely on an ineffective, over budgeted, over crowded, and under staffed school district.

      We are in an age where the cost of education should be going down dramatically. And really, it is, just not in the antiquated and over-administered public school system. That shouldn't be much of a surprise and if you are satisfied with current spending (or feel it is not adequate enough), consider that it has doubled (again, adjusted for inflation) since the 70's and that if current practices are continued what would you expect to see in 2040? Doubled again?

      Lastly, I am not here to "present evidence" to you. This isn't a courtroom, IANAL, and I would assume if you were interested enough that you would be able spend 15 seconds to Google something for yourself and become informed.

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    102. Re:Sue the bastards by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      America.... home of the fr... yeah right.

      Anyway, take a look at the kind of books that are *taught* in schools:

      ...

      So lets see... underage sex, murder of your relatives, regicide, racism, lynchings, rape, adultery, organised crime, a mentally-ill killer and of course - lawless schoolboys killing each other! What's not to love about the American school system, yeehaw!

      Tut now... I suspect your tongue is firmly in your cheek here, but just in case... I'd suggest that these books/plays are excellent examples of how some people solved difficult problems, and the consequences of doing so. Example - when someone's father dies, and the mother remarries, the protagonist can compare themselves to Hamlet., But that's just one example of how to handle that situation, and look how that ended up. And there are differences to the prince of Denmark, and Joe Soap in his mother's basement.

      I expect people are usually around average intelligence... they'd enjoy those books.

      PS I didn't realize 'Huck Finn' was still taught - that's excellent news. My compliments to your Educational system (this time),

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    103. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded. This is what I came here to read.

    104. Re:Sue the bastards by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The only book that had healthy human sex in it was Friday, only one that showed real consentual sex that had happiness attached to it

      The book of the film?

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    105. Re:Sue the bastards by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 1

      The District of Columbia school district has less students than a small suburb. You are making a form of hasty generalization logical fallacy.

      Ideally, you want to completely eliminate any demographic differences, which is what the quality studies do and the right-wing think tank studies do not.

      I compared California to New York because it is representative of what the high quality studies found, and because California and New York happen to also share very similar demographics in terms of important factors like: wealth distribution, ethnic makup, foreign-born students, rural:urban, cost of living, New York and California have a very large sample size (~10 million), and have very different per-student funding for public schools (New York spends about double what California does).

      There are not a lot of large States whose demographics line up like California and New York.

    106. Re:Sue the bastards by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Because it fits their narrative.

      They same thing for everyone who just immediately gets outraged, then when presented with actual facts, they deride said facts. Often even getting angrier.

      The first thing you do if you value actual critical thinking is point that at your sacred cows and do some slaughtering.

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    107. Re:Sue the bastards by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Except that's not what happened. Please stop blindingly believing anything that fits you dumb ass narrative.

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    108. Re:Sue the bastards by geekoid · · Score: 1

      His book had nothing to do with this. Nothing at ALL.
      This slashdotter summarized it nicely:
      http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

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    109. Re:Sue the bastards by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 1

      Hispanic students did not exist 40 years ago? I'm sure that all the six year old Puerto Rican's living in New York, the Cubans living in Miami, and the Mexicans living in California would be surprised to hear that they were never children.

      Also, you present no evidence as to why the cost of education should be decreasing. The real cost of housing prices has been increasing, meaning that the facilities cost much more than they did in the past. The number of first and second generation students in the school system has been increasing. The percentage of students who drop out has been decreasing. The average working hours has increased dramatically. The cost of funding pensions has increased dramatically. The cost of funding healthcare has increased dramatically.

      So why exactly is education supposed to be cheaper now? It cost more for the facilities and more for the staff than ever before. We have more students that need additional help than before. More students go to school for longer hours than before. More teachers and staff work longer hours than before.

    110. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a mental healt check was "a condition of returning to work", how exactly is that not "coerced"?

      "No, we're not forcing you to do it. Unless you ever want to work or earn money again, of course."

    111. Re:Sue the bastards by jlb.think · · Score: 1

      I should have added, but didn't for brevity, that a lawyer is appointed by the state for the person incarcerated by a mental institution. Public defenders, in many cases, are well known for giving little care to their clients plight. In our case she was in need of treatment. What was disturbing however was that the lawyer appointed to her didn't even care to show up in court on the appointed date, even if he had he would have done exactly what the treatment facility wanted, mental health being outside of his repertoire, and she could have been held indefinitely.

      In no way was she abused (just propositioned by a now wrote up staff member), and the facility let her out early, but what is she hadn't had someone on her side? Someone to visit, inquire of staff, to be there even if she had been drugged out of her mind?

      Basically, unless rich, one has to trust the mental healthy industry to make the right calls and tell the truth. A very scary proposition. I see now way out of it. It is where the famous horror stories of woman locked away and driven insane come from (some, if few, true).

    112. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is funny, as I generally notice the exact OPPOSITE, that they seem unwilling to incarcerate even the truly insane--unless they physically attack someone.
      There's a crazy lady up the street from my parent's house, she writes all over her car in black marker, stands around on the street corner glaring at people and shaking her fist, walks with a crutch even though she doesn't need it,and sometimes gets in her car and drives around the VERY SMALL block about 40 times, flipping people off. She also puts a small dollhouse on top of the car and argues with it.
      Her writing occasionally has odd references to guns, and people out to get her, but no direct threats on real people. Years ago she attacked another woman with a baseball bat and broke her arm.
      If, on the days she's especially antsy/scary/looking like she may get in a fight ( don't even TRY to park your car near her house) and you complain to the cops about her, they say "Has she physically harmed or attacked you? No? Then sorry, we can't do anything. Goodbye"

    113. Re:Sue the bastards by jlb.think · · Score: 1

      Wrong. You won't be fired. But the problem with teaching critical thinking is more the kids than the students. Before I'm accused of being something else: I was a rebellious student with idiotic teachers. The one I had that taught me well recieved accolades, and eventually returned to the university level at which he belonged before he died.

    114. Re:Sue the bastards by Minwee · · Score: 1

      Leonid Brezhnev ran the Kremlin for more than 18 years, which most people would not consider "brief".

      Point there. But it does nothing to change the fact that he and both of his successors left office after being "suddenly taken ill", which is similar to what the original article described.

    115. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you would expect to see a natural rise in test scores because of the Internet?

      +1 funny

    116. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think an even more important and interesting question is "Why does Slashdot, a website presumably FOR educated and internet savvy readers, CREATE such journalistic garbage in the first place?"

    117. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact we CAN read all these books in school kinda unproves your point....

    118. Re:Sue the bastards by anyGould · · Score: 1

      That depends on getting enough public notice (and sympathy) that the school board feels the need to make the problem go away.

      Barring that, school boards are astoundingly good at playing the Very Long Game - they keep lawyers on staff, after all. It costs them next to nothing to just dig their heels in and wait this guy out.

    119. Re:Sue the bastards by pspahn · · Score: 1

      So you make a statement, I reference that statement, and now you twist the words. Classy.

      You said that there were 9 million foreign born in the US and now there are 40 million. So, that's a difference of 31 million. I was referring to a hypothetical Hispanic student that is part of that 31 million that ... yes ... did not exist 40 years ago because remember, it was 9 million and not 40 million?

      And absolutely, yes, I expect education to be cheaper today than it was 40 years ago. Now, let me be clear that I am not referring to the same antiquated education model that was being used 40 years ago, but instead to a new model that embraces the technology we have available. I agree that if we keep doing things the way we did them before The Great War, then of course it's going to continue to rise in cost. Bureaucracy does that.

      For example, is it cheaper or more expensive now for someone to learn quantum mechanics than it was 40 years ago? If you maintain that "learn" is equivalent to "college degree", then sure, it's more expensive now because college is much more expensive. However, if you maintain that "learn" is equivalent to "gains knowledge of", then it is immensely cheaper today than 40 years ago precisely because of the Internet.

      Honestly, you sound just like every other union cronie I've talked to about this. I say education should be cheaper because their industry's model is failing to adapt and becoming obsolete, and they get defensive because I am talking about them likely losing their job. It's almost like the education system continues to hold students hostage because they don't want to become obsolete.

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    120. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you repeated it twice, I assume it's not a typo.
      It's HIPAA (not HIPPA)- Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act - and that's what governs the release of personal health information.
       

    121. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because us presumably educated and internet savvy Slashdot readers expect to be spoon fed details that should have been supplied, cause you know we would get side tracked by Nyan cat!

    122. Re:Sue the bastards by davydagger · · Score: 1

      they did use mental hospitals to silence critics.

      Oh, its not hard, in one fell swoop, you can discredit someone, forcibly restrain them, and then fry their brain and nervous system on really nasty chemicals, so when they get out they "look" and act crazy to the point no one would take them seriously.

    123. Re:Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really.

      So far we've heard from four people:

      1) Sheriff Phillips, who states he's been detained by police and is not free to leave
      2) State's Attorney Matt Maciarello, who says it ain't about the books because the cops have had mentions of the books in their police reports back to 2012
      3) McLaw's Attorney David Moore, who says McLaw was taken in for a health evaluation and is "being treated".
      4) The principal, who has stated that McLaw was dismissed due to harassment and is not to set foot on school property again.

      I'd still like to know that he was actually crazy before being sectioned ala Adrian Schoolcraft, but unless he had the paranoia/foresight to record his "collection" by the police, we'll probably never know.

    124. Re:Sue the bastards by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      But it does nothing to change the fact that he and both of his successors left office after being "suddenly taken ill",

      Did you actually pay any attention to the events as they were happening? I rather suspect not.

      How can I put this? The dead dogs in the gutter in Nowhereville, Saskatchewan knew that Chernenko and Andropov were "Norwegian Blue" placements. Even, incredible as it seems, Raygun the Retard, knew.

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    125. Re: Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's not true. There's a special procedure in at least some states where they have to go before a judge and argue their case. In my case, it was a little too perfunctory, and they sprung the motion on my lawyer Perry Mason-style (which he or I should have objected to, but I didn't have the best lawyer because I wasn't functioning well enough to seek one out), but nobody ever sedated me or claimed I had done things I didn't do.

      If you're actually deemed to lack capacity -- and I psych medication order is not a determination of that -- the court will appoint a guardian to represent your interests. It's never just "whatever the doctors want" because that carries too much potential for abuse.

      There's a lot wrong with the mental health system in the US. I do feel my due process rights were violated: my original lawyer was completely disinterested in my case, no one called the accusing psychiatrists to the stand so I couldn't cross-examine them (again, I should have done that on my own, but you pay lawyeres to think of those things), and no one except a random orderly informed of my right to a jury trial (which I didn't take because I was being stupid/incompetent). I think the judge was wrong on the facts, wrong on the law, and his decision to commit me would have been overturned on appeal. I had no criminal history, no history of violence or violent threats, and I was functioning well enough to buy food and eat it and not to sleep on the streets. (I had an apartment and money to pay for it.)

      And I wouldn't care on wit about my legal rights if the psychiatrists had been able to cure me once they had me in my care. I would have thanked them, and thanked the judge, for giving me my life back. Because they didn't, I went on to waste another 1.5 years of my life in a psychotic state until I got so delusional I thought I had died and gone to Hell and couldn't function at all. Then I was in a mental hospital again -- officially voluntarily this time -- and this mental hospital was more competent and cured me. They did give me a sedative at one point -- after I had been pacing back and forth for over 36 hours without stopping to eat or rest. That was a medical emergency. They didn't get a psych medication order from a judge, instead they sweet-talked me into taking the medicine voluntarily. It was a depot injection, so it was good for a whole month after I consented that one time. When I got out, I was back in reality, and I've been getting better and better ever since. I have a job now, and I am doing well in it. I'm not plagued by demons anymore. I don't hear voices. I'm very lucky: most people don't respond to treatment as well as I did.

      So, yeah. There are some due process issues with psych treatment in the US, but it's not as bad as you made it out to be. Personally, I care more about treatment quality. I would rather have been saved sooner.

  2. In Soviet Maryland by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Book burns you.

    1. Re:In Soviet Maryland by SQLGuru · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Stephen King is probably lucky he lives in a different area of the northeast.......otherwise, he'd be on trial for all sorts of sick demented things.

      Seriously, though -- if the teacher had other suspicious behaviours, it would be one thing, but just writing a fictional story based on an area he's familiar with isn't enough to indicate criminal thought.

    2. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 0

      In some respects, there are so many preventative measures that police and other organizations feel they need to take to avoid future litigation for "not acting", that you can't necessarily blame the police or the school. Its a no win situation for them. I am not sure it helps perspective to call every search performed a 'raid', either.

    3. Re:In Soviet Maryland by JeffAtl · · Score: 5, Informative

      they need to take to avoid future litigation for "not acting", that you can't necessarily blame the police

      This isn't accurate. The police are under no requirements to act - they even won a Supreme Court case regarding the matter.

    4. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, and it is a point of honor and responsibility that those who swear othes to protect and serve us do so even if it means sacrificing that power and authority.

    5. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Feces's+Edge · · Score: 2

      that you can't necessarily blame the police or the school.

      Sure I can. Screwing up people's lives is immoral, and they definitely can be blamed for taking actions which do exactly that, regardless of any societal pressure being put on them.

    6. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One can *absolutely* blame the police for acting in a manner contrary to the Constitutional rights of the citizens they serve. There is no "think of the children" grey area or exception, they are foundational rights, period.

      Either the police have a lot more than they are letting onto at the moment, or this man's life has been imploded so egregiously that he is going to buy an island with the money he will be able to sue for.

    7. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Additionally, it very likely was a 'raid'. Any time police even think weapons or bombs might be involved, it's a SWAT-level response to search anything. I very much doubt they just sent in a couple uniformed cops to politely go through things, they would have gone in ready for battle.

    8. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The police don't need to act on every tip reported in. If that were the case, they would need to respond to every 911 call that reported that the McDonald's teller gave them a medium fries and not a large like they ordered. You know, because it might possibly become a violent situation and if they don't act they might be to blame.

      Even if they did "act" on this tip, all it would warrant might be a visit to the guy's house to talk with him briefly and run some background checks on him. That would have shown that he's a fiction writer and not publishing some manifesto about how he's going to go berserk and kill everyone. Then the author and the police would go their own ways with as little fuss as possible. Forcibly taking him in for "an emergency medical evaluation", not letting anyone know where he is, and releasing statements phrasing everything he did as if he was an imminent threat isn't "acting", it's overreacting. Overreacting never takes down valid threats - at least, not without also taking down a lot of non-threats as well. If they actually, properly "acted", we wouldn't be reading about this because it would have been a routine interview and closing of the report.

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    9. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Zalbik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you can't necessarily blame the police or the school

      Yes I certainly can; people who uphold bad laws are almost as bad as those who enact them.

      And more importantly, unless there was evidence that this teacher was posing an immediate threat to children, they had no authority to arrest / detain him, regardless of any potential future litigation.

      To put it simply, based on the current description of the situation, it appears the police did something both illegal and immoral and the school board did something immoral and possibly illegal.

      Note: Every news story I find on this is pretty vague on the details. I suspect there is more going on here than initially reported. The news agencies have quite possibly left out important and pertinent information as it makes a great click-bait story.

    10. Re:In Soviet Maryland by powerlord · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except this is Maryland.

      The police there think that being close to the capital has granted them more authority, and the people are wacko, self-entitled over-reactors to start with.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

      ... During the period from 1962 until 1967, Cambridge was a center of Civil Rights Movement protests as blacks sought access to work and housing. They also wanted to end racial segregation of schools and other public facilities. Race-related violence erupted in Cambridge in 1963 and 1967, and forces of the Maryland National Guard were assigned to the city to assist local authorities with peace-keeping efforts.[13] The leader of the radical movement was H. Rap Brown, the Minister of Justice of The Black Panther Party,[14] and local organizer Gloria Richardson.[15] These individuals incited the local community to burn the 2nd Ward area of Cambridge, Maryland which housed most of the African American community. The local population's homes, most of which were destroyed, were rebuilt under a 1969 Public Housing Act by the then Governor, Spiro Agnew and the Federal Government. With the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964, public segregation in Cambridge officially ended. ...

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    11. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Feces's+Edge · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, it's just something used for emphasis, and isn't being put forth as an actual argument. "childish" and "nonsensical" are completely subjective descriptions in this case. Period.

    12. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You CANNOT stop crime. And arresting people for "Pre Crime" is right out of Sci-Fi (Minority Report).

      A free society is messy. And often terribly so. We MUST accept being messy, sometimes nasty and ugly, if we are to truly appreciate the beautiful. Anything less is ugly, without any beauty to appreciate.

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    13. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt it. Stephen King is white. Patrick McLaw is black.

      It wasn't until I saw a photo of the guy that everything began to come into focus. If he was white this would NEVER have gone this far.

    14. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stephen King is probably lucky he lives in a different area of the northeast.......otherwise, he'd be on trial for all sorts of sick demented things.

      Seriously, though -- if the teacher had other suspicious behaviours, it would be one thing, but just writing a fictional story based on an area he's familiar with isn't enough to indicate criminal thought.

      When did it become a crime to have a criminal though -- let alone an indication of criminal thought??

    15. Re:In Soviet Maryland by khasim · · Score: 2

      The police are under no requirements to act - they even won a Supreme Court case regarding the matter.

      The problem is that there are very few people with the guts to say "I will take the responsibility for ending this investigation right now because I believe there is no risk".

      Once "the children" are invoked then anything can be justified to protect "the children".

      And who is going to end his/her career by saying there is no risk when someone else might find something that was missed in the perpetrator's background?

      I'm old. I remember when playing games at school was fun. Even if it was pretend assassination.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin_(game)

    16. Re:In Soviet Maryland by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      It isn't......but acting on the thought is. Writing the novel isn't even proof that you had a thought, much less acted on it. Do they have purchase history of guns or bomb making material? Has he had a history of erratic behaviour? Or did he just put pen to paper?

    17. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly yes, especially as an opening statement with no debate. That said, as absolutist point it's okay to emphasize the "end" of a debate with the word. I think I used it 1 time in the last 20 years.

    18. Re:In Soviet Maryland by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are both right and wrong. The police yes....however the DA and Sheriff are often both elected positions, meaning that they do have certain "requirements" if they want to be re-elected, and often respecting civil rights is unpopular with the populace; and a LOT of people are willing to give them a pass for violating rights if they come up with even a flimsy excuse.

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    19. Re:In Soviet Maryland by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      Forcibly taking him in for "an emergency medical evaluation", not letting anyone know where he is, and releasing statements phrasing everything he did as if he was an imminent threat isn't "acting", it's overreacting.

      Overreacting seems to be the default mode of police in many parts of the country these days.

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    20. Re:In Soviet Maryland by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Stephen King is probably lucky he lives in a different area of the northeast.......otherwise, he'd be on trial for all sorts of sick demented things.

      No shit, ever bothered to read The Stand or Black House? Dark stuff there.

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    21. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      That's a perfectly legitimate position. Just don't join the crowd that call out the police and schools as negligent or 'not caring about the kids' when something does happen and there were warnings that were ignored. We are in an age where there is a great social sensitivity to school violence with tremendous media attention, and there can be great pressure from the community to act on this kind of thing. That doesn't make it right or justifiable, but we can't pretend that element doesn't exist.

      I agree there is likely more to the story than is publicly released. It could be a blatant overstepping of authority or something more justifiable that meets the eye.

    22. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, the old "walking while black" charge...

    23. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      If you read the new articles, its interesting to note that there is no mention that he was forcibly taken to an evaluation. Also, there are curious descriptions of his situation, such as "inability to travel anywhere", which in no way actually states that the police are restricting his travel. It appears that he is simply restricted from entering school properties while on administrative leave and someone is playing this up. As I looked it over, I am suspect there are facts that are intentionally left out fo subsequent stories for the purposes of hype. They evidently did a 'sweep' of the school and a 'search' of his house while he was not present, but only the person interpreting the news article uses the word "raid", clearly not someone with any more knowledge than you or I at this point.

      http://www.wboc.com/story/2636...

    24. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      A free society is messy....

      Only to those that get off on controlling others. The sane people that are ok with other people being different have no problems with it.

      Want an example? Black Woman married to a white man. The blacks go into a racist rage as hard as the whites do over this. and it's only the controlling insane ones that do.

      The sane people are happy for the couple. Sadly sane people are outnumbered 3 to 1 on this planet.

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    25. Re:In Soviet Maryland by captbob2002 · · Score: 1

      Stephen King is probably lucky he lives in a different area of the northeast.......otherwise, he'd be on trial for all sorts of sick demented things.

      Like "Rage" which was released under his Richard Bachman Pseudonym?

    26. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a perfectly legitimate position. Just don't join the crowd that call out the police and schools as negligent or 'not caring about the kids' when something does happen and there were warnings that were ignored. We are in an age where there is a great social sensitivity to school violence with tremendous media attention, and there can be great pressure from the community to act on this kind of thing. That doesn't make it right or justifiable, but we can't pretend that element doesn't exist.

      Wow. A "We are in an age" and a "pressure from the community" both in one post.
      P.C. Bullshit bingo!

      And "this kind of thing" you want action on? He wrote a novel. The bastard!

    27. Re:In Soviet Maryland by sjames · · Score: 1

      If he was suspended with pay, I could possibly buy that their hand was somehow forced. But whisking him off for a 'medical evaluation' and holding him in an undisclosed location? No. Nothing forced them to do that but their own diseased minds.

    28. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The police no longer uphold the law. They *enforce* it.
       
      .

    29. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, where is the citation for that last bit about "these individuals" inciting a fire? The other portions have citations, but that particular sentence does not.

      In fact, I looked up Gloria Richardson, and it seems that while she may have been at the Cambridge Riot, there's certainly no citation for her "inciting" arson. And while H. Rap Brown was indeed charged with inciting a riot... there's no information at all regarding arson.

      Seems like your quote here is one, a little cherry-picked, and two, seems suspiciously chosen.

    30. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      "Whisking him off", and "holding him" are assumptions from the reader, no report states this.

    31. Re:In Soviet Maryland by sjames · · Score: 1

      They did say he was taken for an evaluation. They then said police know where he is and that he has no ability to leave. Gee, what could that be?

    32. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Did they say he has no ability to leave?

    33. Re:In Soviet Maryland by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sheriff Phillips was quoted:

      “A further check of Maryland State Police databases also proved to be negative as to any weapons registered to him. McLaw was suspended by the Dorchester County Board of Education pending an investigation and is no longer in the area. He is currently at a location known to law enforcement and does not currently have the ability to travel anywhere.”

    34. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note: Every news story I find on this is pretty vague on the details. I suspect there is more going on here than initially reported. The news agencies have quite possibly left out important and pertinent information as it makes a great click-bait story.

      Yes, there is more going on here than initially reported. The teacher they arrested was guilty of being Black in America.

      NOW does the ridiculous overreaction of the police make sense ? :-(

    35. Re:In Soviet Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forcibly taking him in for "an emergency medical evaluation", not letting anyone know where he is, and releasing statements phrasing everything he did as if he was an imminent threat isn't "acting", it's overreacting.

      They are fully committed now to find "something" wrong with this guy, even invented, that they can charge him with. Otherwise both the School administration and the Sheriff would be facing mandatory life sentences under 18 USC 242 "Deprivation of rights under color of law". Hopefully this person has family that can get the ACLU involved, since he is being held without being under arrest I don't think a normal habeas corpus will work.

    36. Re:In Soviet Maryland by TheRecklessWanderer · · Score: 1

      Allowing the police to decide which laws to enforce seems like a bad idea to me.

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    37. Re:In Soviet Maryland by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In my experience, if something looks outrageous based on the current description of the situation, that description is usually either wrong or omits several very important facts. Outrageous things do happen, but they're not all that common compared to the number of people who want outrageous things so they can get angry about them.

      Since the suspension and investigation were almost certainly not because of the book, there are other reasons, and they may well be compelling ones. I don't know, and neither do you. Some of these may be such that revealing them would constitute invasion of privacy, and other reasons may be withheld until the investigation is over.

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    38. Re:In Soviet Maryland by russotto · · Score: 1

      In my experience, if something looks outrageous based on the current description of the situation, that description is usually either wrong or omits several very important facts.

      The Just World hypothesis in a nutshell.

    39. Re:In Soviet Maryland by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Thing is, it usually is the case in Western societies. It's not just a hypothesis if I see it confirmed multiple times. Not that everything's always peachy, and horrible things do happen, but something that looks like clickbait usually is.

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  3. Now I just have to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to read that novel.

    1. Re:Now I just have to ... by RDW · · Score: 2

      I want to read that novel.

      Check out the Amazon extract ('But amid all the despair and hopelessness, people were working indefatigably to stabilise the nation and alleviate the prevalent tumult; and on 28 August 2298, the sedulousness of these committed inidividual was recompensed.') and you might change your mind. Still, if the original article is accurate there's no justification for his treatment, and the implications are deeply disturbing. Have we been told the full story?

    2. Re:Now I just have to ... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 3, Funny

      But amid all the despair and hopelessness, people were working indefatigably to stabilise the nation and alleviate the prevalent tumult; and on 28 August 2298, the sedulousness of these committed inidividual was recompensed.

      Zow. This guy was supposed to be a "language-arts" teacher. I think we can clear the Sherifs department of any charges of overreacting, Patrick McLaw is obviously a danger to himself and society.

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    3. Re:Now I just have to ... by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Wow. That could challenge Scrotie McBoogerballs.

    4. Re:Now I just have to ... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2

      But amid all the despair and hopelessness, people were working indefatigably to stabilise the nation and alleviate the prevalent tumult; and on 28 August 2298, the sedulousness of these committed inidividual was recompensed.

      Zow. This guy was supposed to be a "language-arts" teacher. I think we can clear the Sherifs department of any charges of overreacting, Patrick McLaw is obviously a danger to himself and society.

      "It was a dark and stormy night...."

    5. Re:Now I just have to ... by Zalbik · · Score: 1

      But amid all the despair and hopelessness, people were working indefatigably to stabilise the nation and alleviate the prevalent tumult; and on 28 August 2298, the sedulousness of these committed inidividual was recompensed.

      Ouch...that makes my brain bleed.

      If this guy wrote poetry he could challenge a Vogon.

    6. Re:Now I just have to ... by allonoak · · Score: 1

      Actually, it makes perfect sense he's a language arts teacher:his major focus might have been incorporating large vocabulary words in a written context, rather than trying to make the novel accessible to the reader in an already reader-centric market.

  4. Clap clap by mlkj · · Score: 1

    I'd say "Only in America" but that's sadly not true.

    1. Re:Clap clap by sycodon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Check off one more box on the list of Police State attributes we are now experiencing.

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  5. What an idiot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    He should have made the plot around child molesting instead of shooting! Geeze!

  6. Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be interested to know if this teacher's school system has a union.

    1. Re:Union? by jythie · · Score: 1

      This is exactly the type of situation unions were originally created to deal with, but they are still politically expedient entities and even if the teacher has tenure it might might not defend the person. After all, they do not want to be painted as being soft on potential school shooters.

    2. Re:Union? by jythie · · Score: 1

      (adding)

      Looking at the teacher's age, they would not have tenure yet, so they will probably get no help from the union. Pre-tenure teachers are sacrificial, they can be fired at any time for any reason without recourse most of the time.

    3. Re:Union? by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
      True. But they can't be kidnapped and held against their will.

      He won't be getting his job back. He might get a lot of cash.

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    4. Re:Union? by Dins · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think we're missing a big chunk of the story. He constitutionally can't be held against his will unless he's being charged with a crime past a certain point (24 hours I think?) Of course the cops know this, and if this went down exactly as reported the cops would also know they'd be setting themselves up for a HUGE lawsuit.

      If it DID go down like the reports we have, I hope this guy sues the fuck out of the cops and the school and wins. But something makes me think we might not know the whole story.

    5. Re:Union? by thaylin · · Score: 1

      Since when do cops knowing what they are doing is wrong stop them.

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    6. Re:Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only side telling their story so far is the Sheriff. I guess when they finally allow him to leave the "location known to law enforcement" without the "ability to travel anywhere" we'll get to hear the whole story, but I'm honestly starting to suspect the "whole story" is that the "location known to law enforcement" is the morgue after he "committed suicide" after being shot in the back twice with a cop's shotgun, and after Ferguson, the Sheriff wants the story to die along with him.

    7. Re:Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, that is the glory of having someone committed. It isn't the same as being 'detained' by the police. Someone points at you and says, "I think this man is dangerously insane timebomb. If we do not evaluate his sanity, he will hurt people."

      Very little recourse for the victim here.

    8. Re:Union? by iluvcapra · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I think we're missing a big chunk of the story. He constitutionally can't be held against his will unless he's being charged with a crime past a certain point (24 hours I think?)

      There is this thing called Involuntary Commitment, laws vary state by state. In Maryland they can hold you for up to 10 days as long as doctors sign off that you have a diagnosis. In the old days they could hold you indefinitely, a la One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest.

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    9. Re:Union? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think we're missing a big chunk of the story. He constitutionally can't be held against his will unless he's being charged with a crime past a certain point (24 hours I think?)

      Not to mention, one is typically "arrested" in conjunction with being charged with a crime, not kidnapped for "emergency medical evaluation"

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    10. Re:Union? by sycodon · · Score: 2

      It is a mistake to think of this from a viewpoint on Unions/No Unions. The school has no power to have this man arrested. The school has no power to have him "medically evaluated". They have no power to prevent him from traveling and in fact cannot ban him from the campus without a court order.

      The State of Maryland is the most egregious offender here. THEY are the ones who have violated this man's rights. THEY are the ones who can apparently do this to anyone under the guise of security. The School is merely an excuse, an enabler of the State.

      If this issue is not resolved quickly, with the authorities paying lots and lots of money and government employees being punished in some manner, be afraid.

      Be Very Afraid. Because the jokes about the Soviet Union will no longer be so funny.

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    11. Re:Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can't hold you without filing charges but they can file any asinine charges they like (only risk is if they end up being found not guilty the cops can't try again with better evidence later).

    12. Re:Union? by qbast · · Score: 1

      What about good old standbys like assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest?

    13. Re:Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the jokes about the Soviet Union will no longer be so funny.

      One of the classic symptoms of Communist rule is exaggerated economic figures; pig iron production, milk production, etc. Those of us that appreciate the amazing degree of official malfeasance involved with contemporary US government economic figures (inflation, unemployment, etc.) have long since adapted to this Soviet style reality.

      So welcome. Nice of you to catch up. And no one is laughing.

    14. Re:UNION? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if serious

    15. Re:Union? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I think we're missing a big chunk of the story. He constitutionally can't be held against his will unless he's being charged with a crime past a certain point (24 hours I think?) Of course the cops know this, and if this went down exactly as reported the cops would also know they'd be setting themselves up for a HUGE lawsuit.

      If it DID go down like the reports we have, I hope this guy sues the fuck out of the cops and the school and wins. But something makes me think we might not know the whole story.

      And this is how they operate. They get away with illegal activities because they still have some shred of perceived authority and "righteousness" left in the eyes of the public. People see the story and think, "They wouldn't do that without a reason, because that would be illegal. He MUST be doing something wrong!" It's the same as someone put on trial but later acquitted of something like rape or child molestation. "Well just because he was acquitted doesn't mean he's not guilty. He must have done SOMETHING wrong for them to ruin his life like that!"

      Guilty until proven innocent. Make the public believe that arrest and/or charges = guilt, and your job is done for you, without the "mess" of due process and discovery.

      And that's exactly how they want to keep it.

  7. We use to do this all the time in the 50's as well by flayzernax · · Score: 1

    In the USA. We just didn't do it to very rich white people. And we had the Mafia to do it to the lower class whites.

    This is nothing new kids. The internet just made it visible for us all to go OMFG collectively.

  8. Prequel by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well after this he'll have plenty of great material for a 900-year prequel that will tackle some different, but still very troubling, social issues.

    1. Re:Prequel by kruach+aum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are school shootings really a social issue? I don't think it has either a hashtag nor a dedicated jezebel columnist, so how can we be sure?

    2. Re:Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      School shootings all seem to have this one thing in common - phsychotropic drugs as prescribed by psychs. They have strong suicidal and homicidal side effects. The list is long, from Hitler, shooter of Pres Reagan; John Lennon, Colombine, etc, etc. You could call that a social issue as people are being prescribed these in volume. Take the military, massive amount of suicide as a result of being prescribed mental health drugs that are psychotropic. Read the warning labels on them!
      or easier google: psychotropic drugging.

    3. Re:Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess what people who are prescribed psychotropic drugs have in common.

      Yep, they are nutjobs. Just because the medication doesn't help in some cases doesn't mean that they are inefficient or harmful.

    4. Re:Prequel by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I find the shootings less interesting than the reaction to them. Every time one happens you immediately see half the internet commenters proclaim 'Teenagers should not have access to guns!' and the other half proclaim 'All teenagers should carry guns to defend themselves against crazed shooters!'

    5. Re:Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess what people who are prescribed psychotropic drugs have in common.

      Society subjectively passes judgement on their mindset. Example: Homosexuality was considered a mental illness in the past.

    6. Re:Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly they are probably simply clueless on how to deal with their problems and a pill seems to be an easy way out.
      Not sure what you mean by not being harmful? Unless of course you are of the impression that permanently mind altering drugs are perfectly safe. The fact those drugs now by law have to have big black warning labels on them makes that a rather plain fact. (One wonders how much the drug companies lobbied NOT to have those in them?)

    7. Re:Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still is a mental illness. But now they have legal advocates.

    8. Re:Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are school shootings really a social issue?

      School shootings in the US; suicide bombings in Iraq. Pretty much the same phenomenon in slightly different social contexts. You can call it a mental health issue if you like, but it's mostly about young men trying to voice their frustration with the world, and finding only violence.

    9. Re:Prequel by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      School Shootings are "OMFG SCARY" regardless of the likelihood of them happening to your school this year. So, while they are still rare, people treat them like they are happening every day somewhere in America.

      And we are spending BILLIONS of dollars trying to prevent them. Because OMFG SCARY!

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    10. Re:Prequel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that sometimes they are harmful, I know someone that an antidepressant worked in reverse as it make him more depressed but at least its doctor was enough intelligent to change the drug with other of a different active principle family, but a lot of doctors and specially in USA had think that something was wrong with the doses and change it aggravating its effects when the problem was not the doses but the drug itself.

    11. Re:Prequel by swb · · Score: 1

      I'm not entirely sure school shootings are even a real social phenomenon and not just some media fueled phenomenon.

      They seem to more or less date back to Colorado with very few before that (purposeful shootings, at least as distinct from criminal activity that just happened to be on school property). After that they seemed to kind of follow in the same mode, disaffected people lashing out against a major symbol of their disaffection.

      Is it a trend or is it merely an inspiration shared to the disaffected by the media?

    12. Re:Prequel by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's something like a hundred thousand K-12 public schools in the US, so something that happens extremely rarely may occur every other year or so. Unfortunately, with the development of news, people can see and read about horrible things that happen for days or weeks afterwards, giving the impression that they're not exceedingly rare. This means that the public gets interested in spending lots of money and sacrificing other things to avoid exceedingly rare events.

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  9. No more fiction writing in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Or you'll get detained for your story that involves explosions or gritty situations. Goodbye freedom, it was doubleplus good having you.

    1. Re:No more fiction writing in the US by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      when i was in high school i wrote a short story about a girlfriends parents not liking me, so i killed them, and hid their bodies in snowmen so no one found them until spring.

      this was in 1999 after 4/20/1999

      I got an A

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    2. Re:No more fiction writing in the US by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      when i was in high school i wrote a short story about a girlfriends parents not liking me, so i killed them, and hid their bodies in snowmen so no one found them until spring.

      this was in 1999 after 4/20/1999

      I got an A

      So..... home-schooled, eh?

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    3. Re:No more fiction writing in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your teacher must have regretted that A when they found them

    4. Re:No more fiction writing in the US by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      In about 1991, I gave a presentation on how to build a pipe bomb to my speech class. Everyone laughed, and I didn't get in trouble. If I did that today.... hooo boy... they'd lock me up for months. In retrospect, it probably wasn't such a good idea (even before Columbine). But 17 year old me was clueless.

    5. Re:No more fiction writing in the US by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      no not at all. I actually got along with my girlfriends parents quite well (still friends with her to this day, although not together) It was a creative writing project and I was very creative.

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    6. Re:No more fiction writing in the US by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      i remember in middle school making a cardboard "nuke" for a science fair, it was schematically correct someone could have used it to build a working nuke, of they could obtain the materials.

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  10. EFF Should help by anthony_greer · · Score: 2

    I know its a bit of a stretch of the mission, but based on what is known as of now, I think the EFF (and maybe even the ACLU) should come to this guys aid. Is this sort of thing exactly why we establish these sorts of organizations - to protect free speech be it online or on paper?

    1. Re:EFF Should help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If things really are as they seem to be, I agree that both of these organizations would likely be interested.

    2. Re:EFF Should help by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Seems right up the ACLU's alley, First Amendment and all...

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  11. Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those blue state basterds are at ir again destroying freedom one step at a time!

    1. Re:Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Eastern shore is conservative.

    2. Re:Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit!

    3. Re:Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those blue state basterds are at ir again destroying freedom one step at a time!

      The Eastern shore is conservative.

      Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't know. But what I do know, is that Conservative is not another term for Republican (likewise, Liberal is not another term for Democrat).

    4. Re:Maryland by Blrfl · · Score: 1

      The Eastern Shore just got a lesson in why it's the butt of jokes made by the rest of the state.

  12. Re:We use to do this all the time in the 50's as w by Hentai · · Score: 1

    We still don't, actually. He's neither rich nor white.

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  13. Slow on the take by just_another_sean · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As if the story itself could not be more horrible I can't believe the books were published in 2011 and 2013 and just now they decide to go after him. Either he pissed off someone high up and they just found a reason to go after the guy or some bored cop just got around to discovering fiction...

    Unbelievable!

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    1. Re:Slow on the take by Jesrad · · Score: 2

      Well, there is a word that defines accurately what is happening here, but because this word has been slowly stripped of its rich meaning and turned into an empty slur, most people have stopped using it appropriately, instead merely employing it as a slur. For shame, really, because its attached historical lessons are desperately needed these days.

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    2. Re:Slow on the take by ultranova · · Score: 1

      For shame, really, because its attached historical lessons are desperately needed these days.

      Don't worry, we're about to get re-educated on the matter. And this time there isn't any "free world" left to come to the rescue, just Stalin - er, Putin.

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    3. Re:Slow on the take by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Fascism" was a political system practiced in several Mediterranean European countries in the early part of the 20th century. It usually entailed economic and cultural coordination by the state, a personality cult around a leader, a single-party or sham democratic system, national idealism, and militant, expansionist foreign policy. It's applicability outside of this narrow context is hotly contested, you can start fights among historians by asking "Was Falangist Spain Fascist?" or "Was Nazi Germany Fascist?"

      Committing a guy for writing a book is many things, but it ain't fascism. It's people like you who apply it scattershot to every instance of emotive negativity toward the state that have stripped the word of its "rich meaning." You should know who said this:

      In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

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    4. Re:Slow on the take by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Going a bit off topic....

      "Fascism" was a political system practiced in several Mediterranean European countries in the early part of the 20th century. It usually entailed economic and cultural coordination by the state, a personality cult around a leader, a single-party or sham democratic system, national idealism, and militant, expansionist foreign policy. It's applicability outside of this narrow context is hotly contested, you can start fights among historians by asking "Was Falangist Spain Fascist?" or "Was Nazi Germany Fascist?"

      Narrowing it down to "Mediterranean European countries" seems overly pedantic in the context of comparing countries elsewhere to Fascism. Without that limitation, Nazi Germany certainly qualifies:

      - economic and cultural coordination by the state: check, at least for the media (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...). For big corporations, it may not have been quite so one-sided. Both my school knowledge and Wikipedia are a bit vague on that.
      - a personality cult around a leader: check, the "Fuehrer" was a very important figure.
      - a single-party or sham democratic system: check.
      - national idealism: sorta check, it was partially replaced by racist idealism.
      - and militant, expansionist foreign policy: Certainly, Germany invaded neighbor countries until the Allies reacted by declaring war.

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    5. Re:Slow on the take by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      The reason Nazi Germany sometimes gets excluded is:

      1) Hitler, on multiple occasions, voiced disgust at Fascism, on nominal nationalist and ideological grounds
      2) Mussolini's corporatist ideology differs in several fundamental respects from Nazism, with its stronger emphasis on the syndicalism of Sorel and its demotic character (though this was more or less borne out in practice)
      3) The Fascist system was authoritarian, but most people agree that it wasn't totalitarian
      4) Along these lines, Italian Fascism was actually a relatively stable regime, at least compared to Stalin's Russia or Germany
      4a) The closest analogue, Spanish Falangism, actually persisted into the 1970s.
      5) Despite a lot of promises made to their Nazi allies, the Italian Fascists went to lengths to frustrate the genocides that characterized the war-years Nazi regime. Effective Jewish deportations from Italy only took place after Mussolini was executed and the Germans occupied the country. Fascism could be racist, but it wasn't that racist (unless you were Ethiopean).

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    6. Re:Slow on the take by Jesrad · · Score: 1

      There is more than one way to do it.

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    7. Re:Slow on the take by Jesrad · · Score: 1

      Committing a guy for writing a book is many things, but it ain't fascism.

      You're right, of course, and I should have made clear that is not what I was saying in the first place. What I wish to convey is that the USA abide by all eight core tenets of classical fascism, as detailed by John T. Flynn, and have done so for a long time. Abuses of police power, attorney power and executive power as seen in the article (and others) are but an inevitable consequence of the first two tenets.

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  14. Guilty by el+jocko+del+oeste · · Score: 2

    I read the opening paragraph of his book on Amazon. The man *is* guilty of a crime. Assault and battery on the world of literature!

    Really, his stuff is "dark and stormy night" bad. Toss him in jail. No, wait, that's not a severe enough punishment for what he's done. Something more extreme is required. I know, make him teach middle school!

    1. Re:Guilty by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      Wait. Snoopy wrote that line hundreds of times.

      You're not putting down Snoopy, are you?

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    2. Re:Guilty by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Snoopy was smart enough to not publish his novels. Besides he never or out of the first paragraph.

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    3. Re:Guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worse than that - it's a masterpiece of excessive thesaurus usage. The preface belongs in /r/iamverysmart.

  15. Set In The Past by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Instead of 900 years in the future, he should have set it in the past. Or at least included dinosaurs. You'd never get in trouble for writing about Dinosaurs... Oops, sorry. Forget about that.

    In all seriousness, though, school shootings are a problem. However, I'm much more afraid of my oldest son (who begins middle school in a couple of days) getting in trouble for someone mistaking something he says/does as being a threat against the school than I am afraid that someone will walk into the building and kill a bunch of people. (My oldest is diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome and anxiety disorder. He can tend to be clueless about "other meanings" to the things he says or how people might take offense to certain phrases that he means in an innocent manner. Not a good combination with overzealous administrators who are jumping at the slightest whiff of trouble.)

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    1. Re:Set In The Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >He can tend to be clueless about "other meanings" to the things he says or how people might take offense to certain phrases that he means in an innocent manner.

      What I meant to say was: pass the salt, please.

    2. Re:Set In The Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So I am guessing that a school's D&D group would all get expelled for Fantasy violence.

      (was going to write Shadowrun, but they would definitely get shutdown because their Decker has a serious cram habit, and their Street Sam likes to solve problems with a shotgun)

    3. Re:Set In The Past by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I went to school with a kid like that in second grade. Whenever somebody started interpreting things he said in all kinds of weird ways, he would just say, "Suck my dick!" Then he'd get confused about why people went completely batshit.

    4. Re:Set In The Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      School shootings aren't the problem, they're the result of the problem.

    5. Re:Set In The Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how "evenhandedly" the rules get applied for everything else: Take a cue from the pain in the ass parents of the little pains in the ass: Make it so that it would be a embarrassment if they so much as tried to talk to your kid.

      For instance:

      Asshole Deputy's kid gets caught at school with drugs and a gun in his car: quietly suspended for 2 days for no documented reason.

      Kid of the Narcissistic head of the PTA gets caught smoking weed, ditching class, and bullying kids: The bullied kids get suspended for fighting, using fowl language, etc...

      Crack head mom threatens to sue the school if her impulsively violent crack-baby gets told to behave in class: Crack baby now has free range of the entire school as she pleases.

      Poor student from a modest home rolls up a napkin and mocks smoking it? Expelled by the end of the day. After all, we have to make sure everyone knows that we have an even handed, zero-tolerance policy.

  16. Re:We use to do this all the time in the 50's as w by flayzernax · · Score: 1

    I didn't RTFA :) Thx for pointing that out. My point still stands. We never really had that much freedom individually in this country. It was just way less visible in our past than in the soviets past. IMO.

  17. More to the story? by Media+Archivist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All of the stories I have read about this use the same reference: WBOC. There is, as of yet, no other source. I think there is more to this story than has been reported so far. I am not suggesting the lack of facts is a coverup, just that it is still in the early stages of falling into place.

    1. Re:More to the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, by the time the truth/ whole story comes out the media won't care and the teacher will have been tried by social media, the union and the media well before being released.

    2. Re:More to the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cynic in me says that this looks like a rather successful advertising campaign for the guy's books.

    3. Re:More to the story? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, there's also the school board's press release: http://www.dcps.k12.md.us/file...

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    4. Re:More to the story? by Zalbik · · Score: 1

      Well, there's also the school board's press release

      I've tried looking into this more, and I keep coming back to the fact that nobody is given any indication as to why this guy was taken for "emergency medical leave". Everyone just refers back to the WBOC article, and the only thing the original WBOC article says about his writings are:

      "Those books are what caught the attention of police and school board officials in Dorchester County. "The Insurrectionist" is about two school shootings set in the future, the largest in the country's history."

      From this I can't tell if a fascist police chief went off on a crazy tirade or if the police found a stash of bomb-making materials along with manuscripts of this guys books.

      Why is there no interview with the police chief? The principal? The guy's family / friends? His students? The ACLU?

      Once upon a time reporters used to at least attempt to get the whole story prior to publishing. Now it's grab whatever looks like it'll cause a stir and publish that regardless of the underlying truth.

      Journalism doesn't exist anymore.

    5. Re:More to the story? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      What does it say about the sorry state of schools when a press release put out by the Superintendent confuses "insure" with "ensure"?

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    6. Re:More to the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, a school Superintendent's Press Release that confuses the words "insure" and "ensure". <sarcasm>That instills a lot of confidence in the school board.<\sarcasm>

    7. Re:More to the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is frequently the first place to say "well, they should have seen it coming" and "why didnt they do something before hand?" when someone who has written about shooting up a school (or other heinous act) later actually shoots up a school (or performs other heinous act).

      And its frequently the same people saying it that are currently saying "that's too far, that's an overreaction."

    8. Re:More to the story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once upon a time reporters used to at least attempt to get the whole story prior to publishing.

      Why do all fairy tales start with that phrase?

    9. Re:More to the story? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      - He was suspended due to a "bizarre" four page letter that he wrote to county officials, that raised mental health concerns.
      - He has not been arrested, and is not being charged with any offence
      - It does not appear that his mental health evaluation was mandatory or coerced in anyway other than as a condition of returning to work.

      Is it that journalism doesn't exist, or that you just don't know how to use google?

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    10. Re:More to the story? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't think Supernintendo Chalmers would make that mistake.

      I'm sorry, but I consider that one of the funniest quotes from the Simpsons and I love to work it in.

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    11. Re:More to the story? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Is it that journalism doesn't exist, or that you just don't know how to use google?

      If you can easily Google more information about a topic than the journalists put in their articles, does that really support the contention that journalism exists?

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  18. Well Obviously... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Only a verifiable head case would write about a school shooting 900 years in the future. I have it on good authority that the last 'chemical/kinetic homicide' was recorded in the waning days of the Transcend Uprising in 2234. By 2914, the most common spree killings, by method, are 'engineered retroviruses', 'covert antimatter decanting', and nanoassembler override.

    Also, ever since Heuristic Neural Patterning became economically viable in the mid 24th century, 'school' exists as little more than a footnote in some of the low level neural patterning modules. I'm not sure why you'd expect to find enough people for a mass casualty incident visiting one.

    1. Re:Well Obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, with mind uploading being a common practice in even the most Regressive Polity, a mass killing is considered at most anti social behavior and extremely rude as it set any progress back to the last backup. Now if he stole their State Vectors through a specialized malware payload against their processing substrate, that is a serious crime and can lead to a personality rewrite in extreme cases.

    2. Re:Well Obviously... by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Hari Seldon warned me about people like you...

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    3. Re:Well Obviously... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      The murderer was a traditionalist who took advantage of the classroom experience at the 21st Century Village.

  19. change.org petition by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    There is a petition at Change.org requiring the county school superintendent to apologize.
    https://www.change.org/p/dr-he...

    1. Re:change.org petition by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Has *anything* ever changed from having a bunch of people sign a change.org petition?

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    2. Re:change.org petition by ClioCJS · · Score: 0

      Yes. Now shut the fuck up.

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    3. Re:change.org petition by Shatrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, there was the Declaration of Independence, but those people followed up the petition with gunfire.

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    4. Re:change.org petition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and if you had bothered to even look at the Change.org webpage you'd know that, you fucking moron.

    5. Re:change.org petition by neoritter · · Score: 1

      I don't think Benjamin Franklin had invented the internet yet though...

    6. Re:change.org petition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you tongue-fuck your mom with that mouth?

    7. Re:change.org petition by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Has *anything* ever changed from having a bunch of people sign a change.org petition?

      People have signed Change.org petitions about things, and those things have changed.

      Proof of causation? No, but equally, proof that signing Change.org petitions may not be wasted effort.

      Are you sure you're not thinking of "We The People" petitions?

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    8. Re:change.org petition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Declaration of Independence on change.org? Was there an accident with a contraceptive and a time machine?

    9. Re:change.org petition by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Well, there was the Declaration of Independence, but those people followed up the petition with gunfire.

      Technically, they backed it up with gunfire. Had Great Britain / King George simply acquiesced there would have been no need for any unpleasantness....

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    10. Re:change.org petition by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      My brain totally skipped over the word 'change.org' in the post I replied to. Once again this proves that nobody pays attention to change.org.

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    11. Re:change.org petition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically the gunfire came first, but that's really splitting hairs at this point.

    12. Re:change.org petition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many people realized it doesnt do anything?

    13. Re:change.org petition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't realize the change.org was around back then...

  20. Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to a regime that killed some 20-30 million people. Sounds like the guy got jobbed for sure, but Soviet punishment would have been to kill the guy and his family, or at least exile them to a Siberian work camp for 10 years.

    It's like violating Godwin's Law, except for commies...

    1. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They aren't comparing his getting fired to Soviet-style punishment. The comparison is to the forcing him, against his will, to "an emergency medical evaluation" in a location that only the police know of and won't release any details about. Making a guy disappear because he's suspected of bad behavior isn't something that's supposed to happen in the US. (That last statement might sound a bit naive. Take it as a goal for how our country should operate instead of the totalitarian method of just letting the authorities do whatever they want for whatever reason.)

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    2. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by IMightB · · Score: 1

      Extrodinary Rendition on a school teacher

    3. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It took awhile for that regime to warm up. They didn't kill 30 million people over night. The entire enterprise required the apathy of a large populace over a long period of time.

      It required your kind of apathy.

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    4. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by rochrist · · Score: 1

      Eh. The got plenty of mileage out of their 'medical facilities' as well.

    5. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What?

      They took no time at all to warm up. Recall that the Russian government they displaced was not the Czar's. It was the white Russians, a democratic group that had taken charge when the Czar's government fell.

      They started by killing, continued killing and only paused killing their own people to go to war.

      Lenin was not a good guy. Not as crazy as Stalin, but still a mass murdering bastard.

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    6. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The civil psychology rules are very easily abusable. I would suggest making a constitutional amendment that commitment to mental instituition requires a warrant for the first 3 days, and a preliminary judicial hearing as soon as the court is next in session (but mandate that it take no longer than 24 hours, so courts will need to be open 7 days a week on this)

    7. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That happens when you let millions of muslims into country. You get their security practices packaged with them. If you like or not. And sure as hell the Security Military Industrial Complex likes that very much. Lots of pork floating towards them.

      If we ever find extremely violent alien life forms, you bet the coppers will import them, too.

    8. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have one hysterical report after a few incomplete, low-key local reports. I doubt that we have enough information to make a reasoned judgement of any kind and the Atlantic is nothing but hysterical clickbait these days. I hope there's more here than it appears, as writing something under a pen name is certainly no reason for all of this, which leads me to believe there's more to the story, though it certainly could have been some bizarre panic.

      I dumped them into the "not worth reading" list along with the Daily Mail and National Enquirer a long time ago.

    9. Re:Don't Compare One Guy Getting Fired... by anyGould · · Score: 1

      And what's worse, is that the cops (who, remember, are the source of all this news!) have already firmly established this guy in everyone's mind as "the crazy teacher who writes books about shooting kids".

      So, what's the best case scenario for this teacher? Gets a clean bill of health, and spends the rest of his days as "the crazy teacher"? (And of course, you know that if the psych exam comes out clean the cops aren't going to release big press releases trumping the mistake).

      More likely, since he's in involuntary detention, the report will say whatever the cops need it to say, and we may never see this fellow again. He's certainly not going to get his job back.

  21. Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of fucked up novels out there that involve sick shit with children... It's the goddamn terrorist tag that's causing this type of behavior by the law.. In their eyes we're the enemy, they're right, and we're wrong. I get it we're living in an age where you can be arrested for shitty rap lyrics on Facebook so it's not too big of a shock to be reading this.

  22. Marylander Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Eastern Shore is the right-wing part of the state, before anyone brings that up.

  23. "rest of the story" by jythie · · Score: 1

    So in the original piece there is one commenter ranting about how the paper is not publishing 'the rest of the story' (which will vindicate the board of education and police) because they are enjoying the traffic they are getting.. yet I am not seeing this poster actually present any new information.

    Has anyone heard anything that might even slightly justify this.. ahm... I am not sure it is even an 'arrest'... hrm... event?

    1. Re:"rest of the story" by jythie · · Score: 1

      (adding)

      According to people who claim to 'know more', he was using aliases for real life things like when he applied for the job, not just pseudonyms for writing. People claiming to be parents have also chimed in saying there was 'real fear' around this person, but I would not be surprised if this fear came after the board discovered his books as opposed to before.

      There are also claims he sent a 'disturbing letter' to the school board, but 'it was not their place to update with facts', so I am skeptical of the poster.

    2. Re:"rest of the story" by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      (adding)

      According to people who claim to 'know more', he was using aliases for real life things like when he applied for the job, not just pseudonyms for writing. People claiming to be parents have also chimed in saying there was 'real fear' around this person, but I would not be surprised if this fear came after the board discovered his books as opposed to before.

      There are also claims he sent a 'disturbing letter' to the school board, but 'it was not their place to update with facts', so I am skeptical of the poster.

      yea, the only way this could really end up making any sense was that some old lady librarian at the school found his books, got concerned and went to the school-board/police... who had to talk to him for due diligence, and when they did talk to him, they found out completely by accident that the dude was actually nuts. Maybe he threatened suicide or took a swing at a cop? Getting someone committed is NOT easy, I've tried doing it before, it's nearly impossible.

      If they really committed him for writing 2 books, no matter how bad they are, this is completely off the rails insane.

    3. Re:"rest of the story" by jythie · · Score: 1

      It would not be unheard of though. This is a small town going into an election year, and here you have a scary angry black man associated with scary fiction who might murder your children so the big responsible sheriff and school board sweep in to protect their loving citizens.

      In the threads on the local site I see a lot of parents chiming in that they are glad this happened, that it is better to be safe then sorry, or even going as far as to say that anyone who would own (much less write) such books is not someone they want near their kids in the first place.

    4. Re:"rest of the story" by Feces's+Edge · · Score: 1

      A lot of parents are irrational morons with no respect for the constitution or individual liberties. Nevermind that this country was founded on a distrust of government or that it's supposed to be "the land of the free and the home of the brave." Then again, I don't think this applies just to parents.

    5. Re:"rest of the story" by jythie · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind, many of the regions in the first colonies were not founded due to a distrust of government, but of feeling government was not strict enough. Many of what would become states were chartered by people tired of not being able to oppress people in their own country and having to live with other religions so they created theocratic colonies. England had too much tolerance for their tastes.

    6. Re:"rest of the story" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I knew a tech writer/recently former teacher who got a 48 hour observation because he didn't like a group of teachers who were involved in some new agey thing (eckists IIRC).

      He said that he thought they were manipulative borderline sociopaths. The person to who he said this to reported it as a threat. 48 hour observation.

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    7. Re:"rest of the story" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the Google impaired:

      http://www.latimes.com/books/j...

  24. Not necessarily by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wow. Talk about a lawsuit that you are *guaranteed* to win.

    This guy is going to make millions.

    My best friend is an attorney and we've known each other for years. He has taught me a lot about how the law really works in the USA (I live in the US too by the way). Literally anything can happen in court. You may be right in that the odds may be good that he'll be able to sue and win, but it all depends on factors we can't control or predict. The judge the case gets is important. If it's a jury trial, the outcome may have more to do with the abilities of the lawyers involved than the actual merits of the case. Then if you don't like the verdict and appeal it, you go back to square one because some appellate judges tend to favor one side over the other. You get a really conservative appellate male judge in the Scalia mold and you could find that he'll basically allow the government to do anything if they feel that public safety was potentially at risk. Keep in mind too that the author may be greatly exaggerating what happened to him and what really happened may be a lot less sensational than the news report.

    1. Re:Not necessarily by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Keep in mind too that the author may be greatly exaggerating

      Keep in mind that nobody's spoken to the author. Sheriff Phillips is the one telling everyone that he "is currently at a location known to law enforcement and does not currently have the ability to travel anywhere."

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    2. Re:Not necessarily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get a really conservative appellate male judge in the Scalia mold and you could find that he'll basically allow the government to do anything if they feel that public safety was potentially at risk.

      Times have changed, my friend.

    3. Re:Not necessarily by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You know I really hate the paranoid, tin foil hat, the sky is falling, libertarian nut cases that tend to post all the time on Slashdot....
      But even I have to say "WHAT THE HECK?" to this story. Wow this is just over the top.

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    4. Re:Not necessarily by preaction · · Score: 1

      No, they haven't. Not since government and bureaucracy was invented, things have not changed.

    5. Re:Not necessarily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know I really hate the paranoid, tin foil hat, the sky is falling, libertarian nut cases that tend to post all the time on Slashdot....
      But even I have to say "WHAT THE HECK?" to this story. Wow this is just over the top.

      Hey, watch your fuckin' language, there are children here...

    6. Re:Not necessarily by Shortguy881 · · Score: 1

      Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean the sky isn't falling. Take off your rosy colored glasses and see the country for the police state it has become.

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    7. Re:Not necessarily by sjames · · Score: 1

      AKA when done in some other country, "He's being held incommunicado".

    8. Re:Not necessarily by qbast · · Score: 1

      If it's a jury trial, the outcome may have more to do with the abilities of the lawyers involved than the actual merits of the case.

      Isn't it the whole point of adversarial system?

  25. well they effect society by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is the only definition that matters, whether you're a right-wing nutter like kruach aum or a leftwing nutter like a jezebel columnist.

  26. Voltaire by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's awesome that his pen name was Voltaer which sounds like a reference to Voltaire who was fighting for civil rights and had his books burned.

    It sounds like this guy is brilliant. He was smart enough to use a pen name to hide his writings from his students, and also smart enough to choose a pen name that mocks anyone who uses these writings to defame him. Clearly, Voltaire should now be required reading by Dorchester county students.

    1. Re:Voltaire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, Voltaire should now be required reading by Dorchester county students.

      ...and administrators.

    2. Re:Voltaire by Zeromous · · Score: 2

      I was beginning to think I was the only one who caught this. Put this in your pack for the next time you need to explain irony and coincidence with someone.

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    3. Re:Voltaire by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      So help me figure out what the K. S. means.

    4. Re:Voltaire by chooks · · Score: 1

      It was panglossian for him to think this would all turn out for the best.

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    5. Re:Voltaire by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      With one difference: Take a look at the books. Voltaire was a great writer. This guy... not so much.

    6. Re:Voltaire by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

      Kill Shit?

    7. Re:Voltaire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://slashdot.org/~K.+S.+Kyosuke/

    8. Re:Voltaire by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      Middle Initials of his favorite subversives? K. Dick S. Thompson?
      Might be harder to deciper than Voltaer

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    9. Re:Voltaire by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. Or perhaps his worst writings are forgotten? Perhaps if Voltaire could see his legacy know he would be thinking "Thank God I didn't become famous for that awful book about the school massacre!"

    10. Re:Voltaire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if he wrote them in French, they'd sound better.

    11. Re:Voltaire by zlives · · Score: 1

      i think he forgot to tag his life with a "satire" tag

  27. Terrible terrible terrible... by iwaki007 · · Score: 1

    This is terrible. All across the country it seems that local government's are becoming more aggressive. This poor guy wrote a fictional book, set in the future and is now being severely punished for it. What will come next? Will we /.ers become targets? I remember in the past thinking "nope, that can never happen in the States", now I see that it is happening. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

  28. Has anyone actually READ the book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've only read the Amazon precis, but it *seems* like the shooting is a plot device against which the author has characters act and react. Not all that different than Nevil Shute using a nuclear war as the backdrop for "On The Beach."

    I am, frankly, of two minds about this. On one hand, possibly support a glory seaking attention hound. On the other, be tracked and branded as someone who "supports violence in schools" by buying the e-book. On the gripping hand, just read the thing myself and make up my own mind...

    1. Re:Has anyone actually READ the book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful. If you read it, you will be arrested and under mental health evaluation.

      Make sur you buy it with CASH, and in a book store or 2nd hand.

    2. Re:Has anyone actually READ the book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and dont forget these same people on /. who decry this as overreaction are the first ones to say "they should have done something" and "they shoul dhave seen it coming" when someone actually performs some violent act after writing about it publicly.

  29. Set In The Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have the same fears with my 6 year old daughter. Yesterday we were playing and she pretended to set me on fire with magic from a fairy crown. I in turn used my water bending abilities to douse myself and trap her in a whirl pool. I am pretty sure threatening to roast a person alive is against school rules, as well as unlawful detainment and, considering the drought my state is facing, so allowing imaginary water runoff to irrigate adjacent properties. She would have been expelled and sentenced to 13 years in the Muppet gulags.

  30. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because, as we all know, people that plan to commit a horrific crime always write a novel about it first.

  31. Sue the bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would think huh? With all the searching they're doing, they'll find something they can pin against him that, at a minimum will ruin his career. This is 0 tolerance we're talking about, they won't back down.

    We're now clearly on the road to Fahrenheit 454.

  32. And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This, and yet no one went after Tom Clancy who basically planned 9/11 (i.e. kamikazing a passenger plane into the White House).

    1. Re:And yet by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Maybe they were going to do just that to him but what with his being dead and all it's kind of hard

    2. Re: And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before being dead and after he wrote it he was rich. Rich people are untouchable. Rich people are gods.

    3. Re: And yet by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Actually, rich people very touchable if they aren't plugged in with the right people, other rich people will sideline them or worse

  33. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a good documentary film about that entitled "Basic Instinct".

  34. Re:We use to do this all the time in the 50's as w by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    hey I saw movies and news from that time period and I'm calling BS. There was nobody but white people in the USA at that time

  35. and yet Twilight still exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet Stephenie Meyer is still free to write her crap. C'mon at least arrest her for that god awful twilight series.

    1. Re:and yet Twilight still exists by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Unless you're a teenage girl, it's not aimed at you. So it's not really a surprise you didn't enjoy it. It is a surprise you decided to read it in the first place.

  36. Every country has freedom of expression by korbulon · · Score: 1

    But it's what happens to you afterwards that reveal its true qualities.

  37. Set In The Past by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

    The problem is that apparently some officials believe that school shootings would somehow become less of a problem if nobody is allowed to talk or write about them...

  38. truth? by idanity · · Score: 0

    did he stumble upon the future plan(s) ? is his book too much like the base model for all control that we are facing, or are teachers just not allowed to write a book?

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  39. There's always a possibility of mental illness. by Dzimas · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hang on. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion that a perfectly normal teacher just happened to be grabbed and taken for an "emergency medical evaluation" because he had innocently written a book. It is also quite possible that he is actually suffering from mental illness -- schizophrenia often manifests itself in early adulthood, for example -- and that his books were originally written as a coping mechanism for the early stages of illness. Remember, approximately 1% of the population will suffer from schizotypal symptoms at some point in their lives.

    The most likely explanation is that the teacher's behavior had grown erratic and he had shown signs of mental disorder that caused grave concern in his co-workers and friends.

    1. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by Feces's+Edge · · Score: 2

      The most likely explanation

      I don't see why that's the most likely explanation, and also don't see why that would justify this disgusting treatment even if it were true. I really see no reason to give authority figures the benefit of the doubt; it's wasted on them.

    2. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The most likely explanation...

      Is one you made up and pulled out your ass based on nothing at all?

    3. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      The most likely explanation is that the teacher's behavior had grown erratic and he had shown signs of mental disorder that caused grave concern in his co-workers and friends.

      Sorry, not buying that without any evidence to suggest it.

      I think the most likely explanation is that overly paranoid police have detained someone for a trumped up "emergency medical evaluation" because he wrote a book on a controversial topic, and because law enforcement can't accept that you could write a piece of fiction and not have it be a real threat.

      There is absolutely nothing in the linked article to suggest any crime (actual, imagined, or planned), or so suggest any link whatsoever with schizophrenia or any other mental illness.

      If law-enforcement authorities in Dorchester County have additional information that implicates McLaw in a crime, or in the planning of a crime, it is imperative that they release it immediately. As it stands now, they appear to be violating the constitutional rights of a citizen, and also, by the way, teaching the children of their county something awful about the power of fear over reason.

      And until such time as they actually do have some evidence, I'm going to take this as a gross over-reaction by the police and school board.

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    4. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by rochrist · · Score: 1

      Yes. That's why he was nominated to Teacher of the Year.

    5. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      The most likely explanation is the one most common when given the set of facts currently available. Not the one most common when given a full set of facts; we want the one most common at the cusp of an action, when few details have been released, and those details coincide with the ones we have right now.

      If in 80% of cases of such arrest we have details that the teacher was schizophrenic or BPD or such, and was taken for erratic behavior; but 20% of cases we have details like this--lack of detail, "emergency medical evaluation", and so on--and 80% of THOSE turn out that the guy was normal and the police are fucktards; then the guy is most likely innocent, normal, and being mistreated by the state, with 80% certainty.

      As this doesn't happen all that often, we don't have historical information to compare to. We have no likely scenarios, except that something is different now compared to crazy teacher arrests in the past and teachers writing novels in the past.

    6. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://dcps.k12.md.us/files/Press%20Release%20-%20NOTICE%20UPDATED.pdf

    7. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the most likely explanation? maybe in your world where the socialist is the hero...

    8. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by Dzimas · · Score: 1

      Yes. That's why he was nominated to Teacher of the Year.

      Mental illness isn't something that manifests itself consistently from birth to death. It is quite possible to live an utterly normal or remarkable life until the onset of disease. In the case of schizophrenia, it usually rears its ugly head some time between the ages of 16 and 30.

      While it is quite possible that this is an instance of police overreaction, it might also be that there are a serious mental health issue that cannot be shared with the general public because of personal privacy laws.

    9. Re:There's always a possibility of mental illness. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Why are you so confident that the police went crazy over a book the guy had written a few years ago, arbitrarily detained him, and subjected him to a forced psychiatric evaluation?

      If he did receive a mental health evaluation, odds are it was for actual behavior. In this case, releasing all available information could violate HIPAA, not to mention trashing the man's privacy. People do go schizophrenic in many different ways, and that's not unusual. If he did, the best thing to do for him is to get him treated quietly, without blasting his mental health issues all over the media. In this case, acting legally and with respect for somebody with a problem is more important than presenting a case for the police.

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  40. Do Everything Wrong Day by RevWaldo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There should be a Do Everything Wrong Day where students and teachers alike do things like play dodgeball, cops and robbers, offer pats on the back and hugs, bring copies of Mad Magazine and Guns and Ammo to school, call each other names, walk to school, say they look nice today, and so on and so on. Then everyone lodges official complaints against everyone else, so administrators now will either have to either suspend everyone and then crawl through hundreds if not thousands of hearings, or agree that a lot of the rules against these things are ludicrous if not completely anti-American.

    The slogan for the day? "If everyone is in trouble, nobody is."

    .

    1. Re:Do Everything Wrong Day by Ogive17 · · Score: 0

      So, in other words, you want everyone to go back and act like it was in the 80's (well, except the real guns/ammo.. though I did get in trouble for bringing a transformer in that turned to a cap gun.. but all they did was take it away for the rest of the day and tell me not to bring it back).

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    2. Re:Do Everything Wrong Day by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Minus the bad hair, yes.

    3. Re:Do Everything Wrong Day by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      the real guns/ammo

      I'm pretty sure the GP meant "Guns and Ammo", the magazine. Since it was capitalized like the title and followed "Mad Magazine." But I agree that your punishment fits the crime of daring to bring a toy to school

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    4. Re:Do Everything Wrong Day by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Going back to the 70s at the high school I went to and it was common for people to bring their shotguns and rifles to school in the fall. This was before my time but at that time it was a very rural area and all that meant was that the student was hunting before school and/or was going hunting after school. Even when I went there they still offered firearm safety at the school as an elective.

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    5. Re:Do Everything Wrong Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RevWaldo, there is a certain logic to your post. May I suggest an improvement, that Do Everything Wrong take place the second week of EVERY grading period. Because the first week is to teach the current annoying rules, so that the students can plan what to Do Wrong.

      CAPTCHA: complain

    6. Re:Do Everything Wrong Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually my school once had such a holiday for seniors. It was called "Crazy Day" or something. One guy became legendary for coming to school dressed as Spiderman and climbing up the side of the building to arrive in his homeroom (it was the most-told story about Crazy Day). People would break clothing codes (or crossdress), speak the wrong language, sit in the wrong places, attend the wrong classes, and so forth. The teachers played along and would switch lesson plans around or nonsensical things.

      The year before I started at the high school, around the late 90s, the event was formally banned by the administrators and anyone not conforming would receive in-school suspension. The administrators said they were prepared to do this to the entire senior class if necessary, that they'd use the cafeteria if they had to. They made sure everyone was briefed on it in homeroom, at every level, throughout the district. Their explanation was the sorts of silliness that people got up to had been escalating, and they did not want that trend to continue indefinitely until someone did something outrageously dangerous.

      It started a trend throughout the district of not giving seniors much leeway anymore, or trusting their judgment/responsibility. Before that, seniors were given much more leeway to take care of themselves, and were treated as though they were capable of being responsible when it mattered. After Crazy Day was banned, every year they were reined in more- my senior year we could leave campus for lunch, or even go on walks, but the next senior class was forbidden from leaving the campus during school hours outside of approved school events, for example.

    7. Re:Do Everything Wrong Day by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      The slogan for the day? "If everyone is in trouble, nobody is."

      You've obviously never dealt with the Maryland state government or any of its counties. The entire MO is to make interaction with the government absolutely as miserable as possible at every turn. Then, when you play the game right and donate to the right party (it's a political monoculture, really), you get relief from the imposed hell. "Everybody is always in trouble" should be the state motto. Sounds better in Latin...

      Quisque Semper Est Mala

      Words to rule by.

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  41. What freedoms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    George Orwell says hi.

  42. Stephen King and Rage by timrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stephen King did something very similar to this years and years ago, under virtually the same circumstances. He wrote a book called "Rage", under a pseudonym, which was about a fictional school shooting in a setting that would've amounted to the present when the book was written. Of course, the shooter in Rage was also portrayed sympathetically (he goes insane because all of his classmates are assholes). There were even cases where the shooters in actual school shootings were carrying around copies of Rage, which made him (voluntarily) pull the book from publication.

    Yet strangely, I don't recall anything about Stephen King being arrested in the middle of the night and involuntarily committed to a mental hospital.

    1. Re:Stephen King and Rage by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Ah, the re-education camps are effective then... ;)

    2. Re:Stephen King and Rage by MiniMike · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yet strangely, I don't recall anything about Stephen King being arrested in the middle of the night and involuntarily committed to a mental hospital.

      Yeah, just who do you think is going to voluntarily go to Steven King's house in the middle of the night?

    3. Re:Stephen King and Rage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also the various Carrie/Firestarter offerings...hmm pyrokinesis as a metaphor for...

    4. Re:Stephen King and Rage by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Absolutely nobody. His house is creepy enough in the middle of the day.

  43. There might be more to this story by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be useful to know if McLaw is under investigation for behavior other than writing two novels

    Yes, it would be very useful to know that before people go writing articles about how this guy has been locked up (if that) for (and only for, seems to be the implication) writing two novels. Oop, too late.

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    1. Re:There might be more to this story by pem · · Score: 1
      Since all the authorities have apparently chosen to share is that he had the temerity to write scary fiction while teaching, we should assume that's what happened until they tell us otherwise.

      It's not a bad thing that this assumption may be completely unfair to the authorities, because we should always be pressuring them to be more transparent.

    2. Re:There might be more to this story by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Yes, that seems fair. If you are in court for child sexual crimes telling the judge you stuck your penis up some girl's ass, and they put you in prison ... you should probably blame yourself for not mentioning that it was a couple weeks ago, in July, a month after she turned 18, instead of back in January when she was 17. It's an important detail.

      If the police are telling us they locked some guy up for writing novels... well, all the shit that comes their way is their fault. If something else is actually going on, they should tell us that; otherwise we will assume they are doing the most terrible things, abridging peoples's rights and abducting folks for having the wrong thoughts.

    3. Re:There might be more to this story by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Since all the authorities have apparently chosen to share is that he had the temerity to write scary fiction while teaching

      Is that what they've shared? What's the source for that? Is there a verbatim quote from the authorities?

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    4. Re:There might be more to this story by pem · · Score: 1
      Before:

      Early last week the school board was alerted that one of its eighth grade language arts teachers at Mace's Lane Middle School had several aliases. Police said that under those names, he wrote two fictional books about the largest school shooting in the country's history set in the future. Now, Patrick McLaw is placed on leave.

      Dr. K.S. Voltaer is better known by some in Dorchester County as Patrick McLaw, or even Patrick Beale. Not only was he a teacher at Mace's Lane Middle School in Cambridge, but according to Dorchester Sheriff James Phillips, McLaw is also the author of two books: "The Insurrectionist" and its sequel, "Lillith's Heir."

      Now:

      "It didn't start with the books and it didn't end with the books," State's Attorney for Wicomico County Matt Maciarello told The Times. "It's not even a factor in what law enforcement is doing now."

      OK, WTF do (did) the books have to do with it? It's not McLaw's fault or my fault that I think the police might have arrested him over the books -- it's obviously the police's fault I think that. And it's also their fault that they have a lot of credibility to recover, and saying that it's not about the books rings hollow.

      Also, note the careful phrasing -- it didn't start or end with the books, and the books are not a focus now. So, at one point they were obviously the focus, and merited enough focus to be the only thing that was disclosed to the news organizations.

    5. Re:There might be more to this story by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      it's obviously the police's fault I think that.

      Why is it obviously their fault? I've yet to hear exactly what's been officially stated. Are you sure it's not the fault of whoever wrote:

      but according to Dorchester Sheriff James Phillips, McLaw is also the author of two books: "The Insurrectionist" and its sequel, "Lillith's Heir."

      Note that this is not a quote. It's entirely possible that the sheriff said a whole lot of other stuff about this guy which didn't seem as interesting to whoever wrote the above. It's even possible that he only mentioned the guy's alias, and didn't mention the books at all, but that these were later connected.

      So far, a lot of what's being talked about is seems to be little more than inference to me. For example:

      Those books are what caught the attention of police and school board officials in Dorchester County.

      How can we be sure that really is what caught their attention? Can we be sure that this isn't just WBOC16 playing up the only sliver of fact they have?

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    6. Re:There might be more to this story by pem · · Score: 1

      How can we be sure that really is what caught their attention? Can we be sure that this isn't just WBOC16 playing up the only sliver of fact they have?

      You're making my point for me. The article didn't say that the sheriff confirmed the answer to a question; it said the sheriff volunteered this information. It appears that most of what we know from this sheriff has to do with the books. Why would he have said anything about them if they weren't perceived to be relevant to the investigation?

      There is more information at the Atlantic article now; but it all came from a sheriff in a different county -- this particular sheriff apparently realized he fucked up, and now appears to be maintaining radio silence.

    7. Re:There might be more to this story by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Why would he have said anything about them

      I don't know for certain that he did say anything about them. And even if he did, we don't understand their position in relation to the investigation at that time. If he did mention the books, he might have let that bit of information slip because he thought it wasn't relevant - "the guy has a couple of aliases, he's even written some books under one of them" - and then the media did the rest. The guy's written some books, dig them out, see what they're about - school shootings?! That must be the (only) reason! Scoop!

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    8. Re:There might be more to this story by pem · · Score: 1
      I'll reiterate my main point, and then you can keep arguing if you want.

      From what I read, several national, well-respected print and web publications have reached out to the original sheriff for clarification, and he has said squat.

      If we misunderstand what he's saying, it's his own damn fault.

  44. FDR said it eighty years ago by somepunk · · Score: 1

    "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself"

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    1. Re:FDR said it eighty years ago by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      [FDR said it eighty years ago ] "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself"

      Well, that and federal troops coming to lock you in concentration camps and steal your home. But only if you're of Japanese ancestry, so, no worries my fellow white folks!

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  45. Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Secret Laws.

  46. Habeas corpus by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, where is he now?

    How is it possible for a person to simply disappear and have their whereabouts listed as "known to law enforcement".

    IANAL, but it seems to me that someone with standing should file a writ of Habeas corpus because people should not just disappear like this in a first world country.

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    1. Re:Habeas corpus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear he was teaching science in school. obviously he should to be put away for good.

    2. Re:Habeas corpus by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      WE ALL HAVE STANDING! I am living in this state, what the fuck? If the police come to disappear me for writing a book or reading some novel they don't like or whatever, I will send bodies back. You can imagine the shitstorm this will start and how it will affect my quality-of-life.

      Do you know how many courts have ruled it self-defense to react to the police with lethal force if they try to arrest you wrongfully? In America we have dozens of these cases at state and federal levels, establishing clearly that the police may not cite you for a crime for violently resisting an illegal arrest; and that you can intervene and free a person from an illegal arrest even if the person being arrested is not himself resisting. This extends to the use of excessive force, especially dangerous force, in the course of a legal arrest.

      That means if you see the police beating someone and you run up with a baseball bat and drive them off--some seriously injured--the courts have decided that you were assisting a civilian being assaulted, as the police were using unnecessary and excessive force and jeopardizing life and limb of the suspect (even if he IS guilty of a crime!), and thus you are not guilty of a crime!

      Now think about this: Clash with the police, or disappear away with the police? You know this isn't going to end well either way, even given the above--the police might shoot you anyway, or the courts might ignore precedent, or they might weave some imaginative fantasy to use your legal self-defense as an example of how dangerous and unstable you were and thus how they were justified in coming to arrest you in the first place! Which one is going to be less shitty? Now consider that accepting this behavior in society subjects you to this Morton's fork. How does every single person in America *not* have standing in legal action against the police here?

    3. Re:Habeas corpus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what people mean when they talk about taking 'mental health' seriously. Involuntary commitments for ideas, don't worry no thought policing will occur as we crack down on 'mental illness'. It seems most people clamoring for these kinds of options don't think about how insane it is to lock people up based on hearsay and where writing a book can be construed as the person being a threat to themselves or others.

    4. Re:Habeas corpus by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      Seriously, where is he now?

      How is it possible for a person to simply disappear and have their whereabouts listed as "known to law enforcement".

      IANAL, but it seems to me that someone with standing should file a writ of Habeas corpus because people should not just disappear like this in a first world country.

      Are you joking, or have you been asleep for the last decade? Those rights were thrown out right after 9/11 with nary a peep.

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    5. Re:Habeas corpus by pla · · Score: 1

      and thus you are not guilty of a crime!

      ...Which will really make your next of kin feel better about the whole situation.

      No mistake, I agree with you, but they call what you describe "suicide by cop", and legal vs illegal won't really much matter when they squeegee your remains off the pavement.

    6. Re:Habeas corpus by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Do you know how many courts have ruled it self-defense to react to the police with lethal force if they try to arrest you wrongfully? In America we have dozens of these cases at state and federal levels

      Can you cite one from the 20th century? I've only seen 19th century cases on this. Thanks.

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    7. Re:Habeas corpus by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      No. And the only relevant one seems to be Plummer v. State, which has been overruled as of late--circa 2008, the courts in Texas ruled self defense against an arrest is unlawful even if the arrest is lawful. That means you must submit to all police abuse.

      Is it just me, or have we become a police state?

    8. Re:Habeas corpus by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Are you sure he doesn't have a lawyer? I seem to mention a mention of such. That's basically what habeus corpus is: access to a lawyer who can do things for you. It is entirely possible for somebody to disappear, and have their whereabouts known to law enforcement (who may not be able to comment on the matter), their lawyer, and their family and close friends.

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  47. Reports are still too sketchy by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reports (the Atlantic article is an opinion piece about the local reports regarding the incident) are too sketchy at this point to decide if there's a good probable cause for the teacher to be arrested (besides his having written a presumably controversial book, which is not a good reason for somebody in a presumably democratic country to get arrested).

    What it does reveal is the attitude of the local reporters who appear to be somewhat supportive or at the very least neutral to the police action. I know, a news report is supposed to be objective. But I don't see any mention in the quoted parts of the news reports about the teacher's free speech rights. The "first ammendment" comment is in the Atlantic article not the news reports. Since these are local news reporters they probably also reflect local biases. Possible threats to safety are given more importance than any free speech rights.

    1. Re:Reports are still too sketchy by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      What it does reveal is the attitude of the local reporters who appear to be somewhat supportive or at the very least neutral to the police action.

      Maryland's Eastern Shore is an island (well, a peninsula) of old-fashioned ignorance.

      If the author of a Tea Party manifesto were treated this way, local reporters would be up in arms. But here the author is a black man.

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    2. Re:Reports are still too sketchy by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Why would you expect news coverage to automatically refer to first amendment rights? From the statements available here, everybody involved knew about the book and wasn't worried about it. It was another communication that caused the whole thing. Without knowing about that, and what it said, etc., I really don't know that the First Amendment is relevant here.

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  48. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why did they not arrest Stephen King and all those other writers that write about horror?

  49. Re:We use to do this all the time in the 50's as w by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol, cheeky

  50. One problem with that. by khasim · · Score: 1

    It is also quite possible that he is actually suffering from mental illness -- schizophrenia often manifests itself in early adulthood, for example -- and that his books were originally written as a coping mechanism for the early stages of illness.

    The problem with that is that they are keeping him in an undisclosed location.

    But they're revealing that he is undergoing psychiatric evaluation.

    Wouldn't they just send him to the closest psychiatric hospital AND TELL THE PRESS THAT HE WENT THERE for evaluation? If there is no problem with the actions of the police then there is no need for secrecy.

    1. Re:One problem with that. by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      But they're revealing that he is undergoing psychiatric evaluation.

      Wouldn't they just send him to the closest psychiatric hospital AND TELL THE PRESS THAT HE WENT THERE for evaluation? If there is no problem with the actions of the police then there is no need for secrecy.

      They did not say "They" took him, just that he went somewhere, and has no ability to travel and that he was going through some sort of evaluation. As far as we know he might have gotten into a car accident the day before they were going to talk to him so he's on leave until he wakes up and under continual evaluation.

      I really want to freak out on this one, but there's just not enough information yet to do that. Slashdots burned me before.

  51. This is a bit wrongfooted. by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    They're looking for crazies that go on shooting sprees. What they should be doing is checking EVERYONE... not just people that publish books about school shootings while working at schools.

    I frankly don't have a problem with them investigating the guy so long as they do it respectfully. That said, everyone should be checked out. These mass shootings are just crazy people acting out. Nothing more.

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    1. Re:This is a bit wrongfooted. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      They're looking for crazies that go on shooting sprees. What they should be doing is checking EVERYONE... not just people that publish books about school shootings while working at schools.

      I frankly don't have a problem with them investigating the guy so long as they do it respectfully. That said, everyone should be checked out. These mass shootings are just crazy people acting out. Nothing more.

      OR, and I know this is a long shot, but they could consider accepting that a free nation is an inherently dangerous one, and either accept that individuals have a right to live their lives without constantly being spied upon by a crazy government so paranoid it makes tweekers seem like reasonable people, or find some other, "safer" country to move to.

      I know - leaving other people to their business so long as it's not directly and immediately affecting you - crazy idea, right?

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    2. Re:This is a bit wrongfooted. by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      There is so much wrong with your post, that I don't even know where to begin to point out the issues.

    3. Re:This is a bit wrongfooted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OR, and I know this is a long shot, but they could consider accepting that a free nation is an inherently dangerous one, and either accept that individuals have a right to live their lives without constantly being spied upon by a crazy government so paranoid it makes tweekers seem like reasonable people...

      What exactly does "right to live their lives" mean in this context? Does the state have an obligation to hire him as a teacher?

      He was hired under a certain amount of confidence that has been strained by his actions. If he's been asked to either take a psychiatric evaluation or have his licence to teach revoked, I would say firstly that that's absolutely the privilege of a teaching body, and secondly a very reasonable safeguard to keep in place to ensure that the people we hire to teach aren't going to endanger the students.

      If the Police simply forcibly imprisoned him in a psychiatric ward that would be another story, but I don't see any reason to think that's what's going on.

  52. UNION? by srobert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's exactly why we must destroy what's left of the unions. As usual they're the last thing standing in the way of a fascist state.

  53. I guess you should just write about... by Dalmarf · · Score: 1

    I guess you should just write about people smiling, dogs running, rainbows. They don't lock you up for making up stories about rainbows.

    1. Re:I guess you should just write about... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      . They don't lock you up for making up stories about rainbows.

      <sarcasm>Maybe not in California. But in my state, we don't let pervs try to force children to be soldiers in the gay alliance.</sarcasm>

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  54. Zero tolerance by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

    It's not just for students anymore. Hopefully this puts more visibility on this nonsense.

  55. Good For Maryland! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When McLaw shoots up some school 900 years from now, you all will look like fools!

  56. DPRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Democratic People's Republic of Maryland.

  57. It's Cambridge, Maryland.. I live in Maryland. by stillpixel · · Score: 1

    It's one of our "Drive through to get to the beach during the summer and forget about the rest of the year" back waters.

    They are not the most advanced folk over there.

  58. Think twice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bet there are some mental illness issues, the guy is in a psychiatric hospital, and they CAN'T say more due to confidentiality rules. Less a Soviet kidnap/whitewash than protection of patient privacy.

    He may well be involuntarily committed at this point. I work in community mental health; we often see this kind of thing.

  59. murica by Falos · · Score: 1

    This is the USA, even if he's not or rich he has rights; if he has done nothing wrong and has (oh so very) carefully watched his step, he can't be arrested without being charged with a crime.

    Oh look, we found some weapons/childporn/andordrugs in his house.

    1. Re:murica by Falos · · Score: 1

      *white or

  60. When I were a lad by Cederic · · Score: 1

    GCSE English, coursework graded as part of the exam back in '89:
    "Imagine a book in which the pupils take over their school in the same way that the animals take over in Animal Farm. Write the first chapter of the book."

    I got an A, probably for the scene where the female maths teacher got thrown through a top floor window.

    Creative writing is healthy, teachers should be allowed to encourage and practice it.

  61. Reasonable Precaution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This might just be me, but I don't necessarily see the problem with necessitating a teacher writing about a school shooting undergo psychological evaluation as a prerequisite to any future teaching assignments. It's in no way a wrong thing to write a book about, and nor of course should we assume that he is himself incapable of teaching, but when you're discovered to have very specifically spent time writing about murder at a school, I would want some kind of medical opinion that said it was safe to let you work in one.

  62. Not necessarily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think that "conservative" means to be supportive of Soviet-style policing. Actually, REAL conservatives want to "conserve" good old traditions like Magna Charta, which is very, very old, yet very modern given the NSA-KGB FUCKERS.

    Yeah, take that, NSA-KGB.

  63. The night was moist by mpercy · · Score: 1

    nc

  64. Errata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She does not want to rape, she wants to castrate.

  65. OTOH by serbanp · · Score: 1

    the Idiocracy syndrome cuts both ways. Yeah, the official reaction was a little over the top. However, I pity the young lad for having no imagination whatsoever. Nothing in the wide world to write about but more gore in a school setting? Right.

  66. Are they arresting everyone on 'V for Vendetta'? by lamer01 · · Score: 1

    The cast, director, writer, editor, everyone! They must all be plotting terrorists

  67. Set In The Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah mr nsa-kgb. whatever you say.

  68. think of the children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Think of the children is the battle cry of Tyrants everywhere. I won't vote for anyone, even if I agree 99% with them politically, if they make any statement "

    I agree, except where they should use this arguument.
    ie: where politicians borrow money now to help keep them elected that our children WILL end up paying for on the future.

  69. open and shut for the unions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a teacher, I can tell you the union would/will be all over this. They would not shy away from this. Freedom of speech is a hot button these days. If this guy is smart, he'll sue the district for defamation of character, get a big settlement and retire early. As a teacher, you PAY the Union to represent you in case of this sort of thing (in bi-weekly dues). They don't have a chioce: they have to represent you.

  70. more info? by DaWhilly · · Score: 1

    http://www.latimes.com/books/j...

    Apparently, he sent a letter which caused some people to be concerned.

    From what I've read on the StarDem website (can't find the source for their info), the Wicomico County State's Attorney brought up the issues. From the LATimes article, people were aware of the books before all this.

    IMHO, I think there's something else going on here which caused a lot of people to become really concerned. I don't get the feeling it was an overreaction but involves something that they can't share for various legal reasons.

    My suggestion, wait and see what is happening.

    I think everyone freaking out about an "Author" being taken away needs to take a step back, remove the "books" from the picture, and see if their reactions are justifiable because every article I found about the issue is going nuts about censorship but very few seems to be approaching it objectively.

    1. Re:more info? by el+jocko+del+oeste · · Score: 1

      Taking the school system's superintendent at his word, it appears that the initial press report got the story wrong. They seized on the incidental but sensational factor: the books that he had authored. And they ignored or were unaware of the real factors that got the whole thing running.

      Of course, authorities have been known to change their story in order to coverup things that they find embarrassing. But there's also the tendency of the press to play up the most sensational aspects of a story. So either is plausible at this point.

    2. Re:more info? by russotto · · Score: 1

      Apparently, he sent a letter which caused some people to be concerned.

      Indeed. But "the letter contained no threats against schools or school personnel".

  71. It's truly sad.... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    ...when we have more information about arrests in the Soviet Uni...err, Russia, than we do in the People's Republic of Maryland.

  72. As a Maryland resident... by Ogre332 · · Score: 1

    I can confirm that years of inbreeding has created a "Won't someone think of the children!" utopia on the Eastern Shore. These are the same folks who advocate secession due to differing political views.

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  73. Gotta love it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta luv maryland, a state so liberal they tax rain, this is not surprising.

  74. Something Does not Smell Right by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 1

    The police are supposed to have probable cause that you are an immediate threat to yourself or others before taking you in for mental evaluation. Then, you are supposed to be evaluated by a qualified physician to determine whether to hold you for further observation, and if necessary, not release you until you are no longer a danger.

    It seems incredibly unlikely that the police would detain someone simply because of the novel he published. It seems much more likely that the guy actually showed signs of severe mental illness and that the novel was just the impetus for the police to interview him and not the reason that they sought a psychiatric hold.

    If the case is as the article is presenting it, that whole department needs serious retraining, but I suspect that there is something else going on here.

  75. First press reports not very good. by Animats · · Score: 2

    The problem here is that the press reports are just rehashes of what the cops are putting out. Somebody should find this guy and interview him. He may be in hiding for reasons of his own.

    His book is self-published on Amazon. It's been out since 2011, and you can read a sample there. This guy is not the next Steven King. A typical sentence: "As Zea approaches her partner she cannot restrain herself from hyperventilating as she peers at the black embossed letters on the translucent glass sign above the entrance to the central atrium".

    Today, the Los Angeles Times quotes cops as saying "Everybody knew about the book in 2012", and that this is more about a four-page letter he recently sent to officials in Dorchester County, containing "complaints of alleged harassment and an alleged possible crime". There may be more clarity over the next few days, now that the story is getting attention.

  76. Wait, I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Places like here and Reddit...everyone is always applauding the idea of being able to detain, question, or otherwise harass people over what they write or say via glowing support of "hate speech" laws...especially in Canada. Now everyone isn't cool with detaining, charging, or otherwise banning people for what they say/write?

    I know, you will say "no this is different!" It is not...you're just to f*%@#ing stupid to realize it...they are related and intertwined....

  77. IN SOVIET RUSSIA, VACATION TAKES YOU by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    The Soviets didn't send their enemies home on paid leave.

    Perhaps they should have. It would have been so much more difficult for the US to paint them as villains with propaganda if they were refereed to as the 'Iron curtain all expense paid vacation empire of evil".

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  78. Time to change some personnel in Maryland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been some unfortunate events in this case There don't appear to be any Christians involved, but Jesus said in John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." The first step of that process would involve objective observation, which has been lacking here. Since intelligence is a legal reason not to hire someone to be a cop, they might need to find a new sheriff who is able to read.

    Patrick McLaw has a track record as a good and creative teacher. In an era in which education has, increasingly, become prolonged baby-sitting with little practical value in the real world, he has made some money by publishing two novels of his own, and has also shown students how they, too, can publish books to make money.
    .
    I have misplaced my Kindle, but I bought the Kindle edition of the book in question, and I'm reading it online.
    .
    The Insurrectionist is a mixed-genre science fiction, detective, and spy story novel set nine hundred years in the future. The book opens as federal agents investigate the aftermath of an enormous school massacre. It isn't a bad first novel. The plot combines elements familiar to viewers of The Bourne Identity and NCIS. There is a little too much borrowed from NCIS, including a female investigator with a short name starting with "Z" and a reference to a agent smacking another one in the back of his head to make a point.
    .
    McLaw's descriptive passages are well-written, devoid of the show-off stylistics we sometimes find in O'Henry's or F. Scott Fitzgerald's stories. He has a bit too much dialogue and, like Hemingway, he would benefit from a relationship with an editor. That is something you do not get with self-publishing, but I'd say he is a good writer and there is no incitement to violence or justification of violence here, at least in the first three chapters. I'm still reading it

  79. L.A. Times tells a different story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More on this story, that asserts the teacher was taken out of class for various other reasons:

    http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-teacher-was-not-placed-on-leave-over-books-authorities-say-20140902-story.html

  80. Check the Date of Article by mea2214 · · Score: 1

    The original story at http://www.wboc.com/story/2636... is dated 8/25 with an update on 8/26,5 days ago. From the today's Baltimore Sun at http://www.wboc.com/story/2636... indicates this is a mental health matter and nothing to do with his books. HIPPA laws kick in to protect Mr. McLaw's privacy.

    1. Re:Check the Date of Article by mea2214 · · Score: 1

      oops. I goofed up copy/paste and can't seem to fix it quickly. Baltimore Sun article at: http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...

  81. Just more Progressivism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After deciding to about-face on the cold War and implement a Soviet-style economy, it should not surprise us that we are now adopting their justice system as well. Luckily, Alaska will be an able replacement for Siberia when we set up the re-education gulags.

  82. Or he was actually crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We get +5 insightful for people that want to jump the gun and get on the "sue the man" bandwagon with no information... and if you would just wait an hour you woulf find out things like.... he's probably not fit to be a teacher due to mental health issues:

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/la-et-jc-teacher-was-not-placed-on-leave-over-books-authorities-say-20140902,0,1577239.story

    But by all means continue your ridiculous tirades with little to no facts.

    1. Re:Or he was actually crazy by scotts13 · · Score: 2

      We still don't have any facts, other than public officials covering their posteriors. We "know" he wrote a letter someone didn't like. Only that. You go to psych lockup for writing one letter these days?

      "McLaw's letter was of primary concern to healthcare officials, Maciarello says. It, combined with complaints of alleged harassment and an alleged possible crime from various jurisdictions led to his suspension. Maciarello cautions that these allegations are still being investigated; authorities, he says, "proceeded with great restraint."

      Alleged possible crime? As in, we don't know if it happened, and we're not sure it was a crime?

    2. Re:Or he was actually crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that none of us have any idea what's going on and yet everyone is spun up about it.... Just simmer down for a couple hours and find out. Sweet jesus

    3. Re:Or he was actually crazy by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sure, "alleged possible crime". Suppose that somebody described behavior that might be criminal, depending on circumstances. We have a possible crime, and somebody alleged it. "Complaints of alleged harassment" is redundant, because a complaint of harassment is an allegation until confirmed.

      In short, the authorities did not act on the basis of one letter, but at least the letter and reports about his behavior. Under a perfectly reasonable scenario, that the guy has started showing symptoms of schizophrenia, the public officials absolutely should not be commenting on it publicly.

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  83. LOL! by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    My ex and her sister have a very special name for the aforementioned state. They call it the People's Republic of Maryland.

  84. Precrime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're starting to see quite a lot of these examples where you get punished before you do anything wrong.
    Sure, guns can't be controlled, it's against the 2nd amendment and all that. And there's no proof that if you own a gun you will hurt someone with it.
    But we must control speech. All that dangerous talk about guns and shootings and whatnot. I'm pretty sure there isn't any amendment protecting speech. And that guy is clearly dangerous. Get him boys!

  85. Contact by AlanDenny · · Score: 1

    So suppose I make contact, (I did), sphere and everything. It happens on camera (it did), they hear the noises just like me and I interpret them for the government watching. But the government denies its happening, what can I do? Who can I call? *hint* no black holes and ozone can be used to cure cancer

  86. Teacher Tenure by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Isn't this the kind of thing that teacher tenure is supposed to prevent? Maybe he didn't have it yet. Note, I'm generally opposed to tenure. This sort of bolsters my opposing view. If tenure doesn't prevent this kind of thing, what good is it?

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  87. Tenure Anyone? by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Mental health related actions also have legal restrictions just as physical disabilities do. Unless a crime is committed I can't see a way that a school board can force mental health treatment or examination. Frankly many people choose to be mentally ill even when effective treatments are available for their particular condition. If a person controls their actions even though their affect may be disturbing to others I'm not so sure that this school board has not taken a very bad and expensive path for itself. With the stigma applied to the mentally ill even a 48 hour hold for observation can ruin a person's career permanently even if the evaluation shows him to be in fine health.

  88. Do Everything Wrong Day by Sassinak · · Score: 1

    So you are proposing a scholastic version of the "Purge"?.. I would love that.. (heck, there were a few teachers I had that I would love to have some "aggressive negotiations" with at the time).

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  89. Seems to be a lot more to this story by Mr+Krinkle · · Score: 1

    1. With HIPPA etc, CAN they release medical information about someone that has not been convicted (I don't even think they can release medical information once convicted?) of a crime?

    2. When he says "known to law enforcement" does that mean literally known only to them? or does that mean, LE and the immediate family?

    3. These books were written a while ago. There was mention I thought in one of the news stories of a recent memo, now I can't find that.

    4. If he is in a location known to LE and unable to travel, why are they circulating his photo to neighboring jurisdictions?

    5. A K9 sweep of the school is actually pretty normal. They did those even way back when I was in high school and middle school. Even let me find out that the previous owner of the truck I just bought my junior year must have been a stoner as the dogs went nuts.

    6. If this really was a case of LE going jack booted thugs, locking someone away, forcing meds, and destroying his career because of published fiction works? Well..... I feel bad for us as tax payers because this one is going to hurt. I can only hope that there is direct penalties to the DA, judge and Sheriff that approved this

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  90. I asked for news, not tweets by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Excerpt:
    That is not that case, authorities tell the L.A. Times.

    "It didn't start with the books and it didn't end with the books," State's Attorney for Wicomico County Matt Maciarello told The Times. "It's not even a factor in what law enforcement is doing now."

    In fact, McLaw has not been arrested. No warrant for his arrest has been issued.

    Concerns about McLaw were raised after he sent a four-page letter to officials in Dorchester County. Those concerns brought together authorities from multiple jurisdictions, including health authorities.

    McLaw's attorney, David Moore, tells The Times that his client was taken in for a mental health evaluation. "He is receiving treatment," Moore said.

    Because of federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act regulations mandating privacy around healthcare issues, he was unable to say whether McLaw has been released.

    McLaw's letter was of primary concern to healthcare officials, Maciarello says. It, combined with complaints of alleged harassment and an alleged possible crime from various jurisdictions led to his suspension. Maciarello cautions that these allegations are still being investigated; authorities, he says, "proceeded with great restraint."
    --- end excerpt ---

    http : // www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/la-et-jc-teacher-was-not-placed-on-leave-over-books-authorities-say-20140902,0,1577239.story

                      mark

    1. Re:I asked for news, not tweets by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Apparently, the teacher has now spoken and is disputing what the law enforcement departments have said. For example, they claimed he built a scale model of the school. Ominous sign of attack planning, right? Well, not once he adds the context of him having studied architecture, having an interest in building models, and having built a cruise ship and house model also. By picking and choosing which facts you focus on and removing all context, you could probably make anyone out to be a threat.

      Even though he hasn't been arrested, he's still been taken in for medical treatment and apparently the doctors are being fed bad information about him to give him an incorrect diagnosis. One would hope that the doctors would look at the patient for evidence of a mental health issue and not just information given to them about the patient. Then again, if the police wanted to get a diagnosis on someone, I'm sure they know which doctors would play along with them and which wouldn't.

      I'd like to see the letter that he wrote that "caused concern."

      Finally, commenters never fail to make me roll my eyes. On that linked news story, one commenter said (with spelling mistakes intact): "That is just too many coinsidences. Crazy ppl don't know they are crazy. Keep him away from our precious children. Go be weird somewhere far away, all by yourself." Yes, because we wouldn't want any teachers to vary one iota from normal in any way. Some of my best teachers in school were the ones that were far from normal. If his only "crime" winds up being "he's just not normal" then that's no reason to "keep him away from our precious children."

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  91. That book cover... by eanbowman · · Score: 1

    http://d188rgcu4zozwl.cloudfro...

    From the Amazon page.

    I wonder how you get the job of making these? I could make a better book cover in my sleep.

  92. personal story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A million years ago I got tricked in slamming myself into a state mental hospital overnight. I make two observation involving sense certainity.

    the first is that I watched two burley male staff come up behind this passive sitting female and tell her to come with them for her meds. She did not respond in the net three separate ones so they immediately seized her in control locks and took her away. I did a written complain and before I left they told me it had been evaluated and deemed correctly done by the staff. I mention that she may have been unable to respond or respond in that time frame

    nowxsoidud do this voluntary committment. This a cool grand for one night but the alternative of an involuntary commitment is a very permanent legal problem. But i was surprised maybe a year later to get a nice official certificate that I had my civil rights back. It had not occurred to me that I did not have them.

    Enjoy.

  93. Does it take... by niftymitch · · Score: 1

    Does it take nineteen minutes to understand this.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

    When a kid cannot mime splashing his friends with imaginary
    water balloons without getting removed from school and subjected
    to interrogation and counseling.... we have crossed a line.

    I consider this issue to have its roots in "zero tolerance" policies
    that have morphed into "intolerance" policies. Worse they teach
    hide bound behaviour as ideal, remove negotiation and listening
    from the table. Intolerant management at work, school and yes
    parenting evokes despair and helplessness in people.

    It is true that some find solace in the strict adherence to policy
    by administrators and bureaucrats mindset but when policy is
    wrong much more goes wrong. When we are lucky Kafka chuckles
    in his grave.

    Currently in the news we are seeing a zero tolerance organization
    run amok in Iraq and Syria as ISIS fighters impose an extreme
    view of the rules and then enforce those rules with a "Zero Tolerance"
    policy.

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  94. That's not a "Soviet" anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is America, plain and simple.

    Land of the free. Just as long as you don't say anything the government doesn't want to hear.