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Invasion of Ukraine Continues As Russia Begins Nuclear Weapons Sabre Rattling
cold fjord writes Russian President has issued a stark indication of Russia's military capabilities: "I want to remind you that Russia is one of the most powerful nuclear nations. This is a reality, not just words." According to News.com.au, "It's the first time in more than 25 years that Moscow has raised the spectre of nuclear war. The difference this time is that its tanks are already pouring over its western borders." To put numbers behind that, "Russia has moved 4,000 to 5,000 military personnel — a figure far higher than one U.S. official's earlier claim of 1,000 troops. The soldiers are aligned in 'formed units' and fighting around Luhansk and Donetsk.... And they may soon have company: Some 20,000 troops are on border and 'more may be on the way.'" On top of that, the Ukraine Defence Minister claims Russia has made threats that they're prepared to use tactical nuclear weapons to stop further resistance.
I guess I lose my bet that the end of humanity would come from war in the Middle East.
Forget about MAD or Deterrence. The only MADness here is Putin. If he does what he says what he will do (and he seems to rarely back down from anything due to his massive ego), most of the First World countries are going to immediately join forces to invade and permanently occupy Russia. This is obviously much harder than it sounds, and with lots of radioactive fallout there will be far more civilian causalities than in any other war ever imagined. The only question is - can Putin visualize the worst case scenario at all or has he completely lost his mind?
When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
I thought we were through with all this by the turn of the century. And I mean you can say that he's bluffing but really, Putin's a psychopath. If you corner a genuine bona fide psycho they'll take you down with them if they can, and they don't need any 72 virgins as an excuse either. Even if he's not, he'll have to act like one - to lose face in his position would represent a fundamental weakening of power, he'd lose support overnight, be deposed and likely disposed of.
It would seem to me that western leaders have been caught with their pants well and truly around their ankles in this situation, I doubt they were expecting this kind of heavy handedness, er, ever again. So my guess is they'll back out and leet him have his way.
Because this will be fun! I enjoy commie bloodbaths as much as anyone!
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Good job guys! Way to go, american foreign policy. I expected no less. Now, to check the sturdiness of my basement...
Its going to be hard for the President to decide. No mater what he decides, it's going to be tough. Should he go with the 3-iron or the 4-iron?
The Romans had peace in the Middle East. So did the Nazis - briefly.
Just say'in.
*choking back disgust and contempt at the whole region and their peoples*
Russia is our friend, and Romney was living in the past thinking they might be a renewed threat. Oh wait, nevermind, he was completely wrong.
Putin has a massive ego, yes. But he's also a realist.
He knows that no other superpower will do anything no matter what he does. Certainly not the U.S. No-one has or will do anything about a whole jetliner of people shot out of the sky with citizens from around the world, why would they about a war in the Ukraine?
Your notion anyone would join forces to invade Russia is the real madness...
So he does whatever he wants because he can. And people are surprised about that?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Putin, is that you?
GOOD LUCK EBOLA.
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OK -- Russia has just crossed a line that can not be ignored.
He is invading a country and threatening to nuke anyone who stops him.
Anyone who thinks "well, just give him Ukraine to avoid Nuclear War" is a fucking fool
He will continue to do this, and forcibly retake other former Soviet Bloc nations that do not wish to join USSR,2.0 which we all know is his true intention.
The only question is how to strike, swift, hard and with precision to stop this incursion and if necessary engage in a Nuclear conflict with Russia, because it's clear this nut-job is going to go there and itching for a fight.
The time for sanctions and sternly worded letters is over.
It's time to go to hot war.
While this sort of news is important, without a doubt, I just don't see why it's on Slashdot's front page. This submission contains nothing but political news.
There are thousands upon thousands of news and discussion web sites that focus on politics and current events of this sort. We can go there if we want to read and discuss news such as that in this submission.
There are comparatively fewer web sites focusing on technology, mathematics, science, and computing. Slashdot was such a site. We'd be able to come here to find articles and dicussion that wouldn't be readily available from other sources or venues.
Please, keep Slashdot about technical topics. Leave the politics for other sites! Please!
Regardless of political preferences... I simply can't imagine in what form those threats could have been made. Phone call? Letter? Email? How can anyone be so [IMHO, unrealistically] stupid to mention using nuclear weapons knowing that every word in today's communications is being recorded and would be published by the opposite side?
P.S. Thank you Slashdot for posting at least 2-3 stories about Ukraine every day. I guess this is really the stuff that matters to nerds that much.
They are hopeless. As an old woman once said, "where's the beef?" All we have is the say-so of "unnamed sources" and liars from NATO and Washington (which includes the junta in Kiev put there by Washington).
Where are the tanks? Oh the "unnamed sources' have said they are there but there haven't been any pictures. So far the "war" is nothing but a fabrication. When Israel bombed the fuck out of Gaza there was no doubt an invasion was going on. WHERE'S THE BEEF? No smoke, no fire. Just Washington drooling at the prospect of war to keep the petrodollar afloat.
Invasion? The Crimea VOTED to leave the Ukraine. Oh that's right, that kind of vote is "illegal" according to Washington. The bogus vote for the Kiev junta is the only one that counts.
I fully expect to be accused of being "pro-Russian" (the media's favourite slang). I thought this was a technology site? Oh right...that went out the window when "Your rights online" was used to talk about general politics and 9/11.
The whole idea that there is no actual Russian invasion falls a little flat when there are captured and dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine, and the official Russian line is that those soldiers, apparently with all of their military equipment and supplies, voluntarily invaded Ukraine on their vacations. You would think that Russia wouldn't want their soldiers taking tanks and artillery on vacation with them, but maybe they just do things a little differently in Russia.
By the way, it's just "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine". I would expect 8 former intelligence officials to know that, or at least be consistent in their so-called "memo".
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Stockpiles of weapons are overflowing on both sides.
Military factories can't wait to unload its production somewhere.
Nothing worse for the soldier than time of peace. War keeps them alive.
Yeaaaaah baby.
If Putin actually uses nukes, NATO will just have him assassinated. It's that simple. We don't want to go to war with Russia, but there's no need to. Putin just needs to be killed.
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OK, I guess this "story" qualifies as "stuff that matters", but can we at least get something more than a smattering of links to stories that are yesterday's news? Putin made his comment 4 days ago, and damn near every think in the summary points to stories that are three days old (and contain more than their share of unsubstantiated speculation).
I'm not normally one to make "why is this on slashdot?" posts. But taking into account the predilections of the submitter, I gotta say this comes off as a troll submission.
1) Putin is just posturing re: tactical nukes.
2) If Russia used tactical nukes, at least against NATO troops, it would go *very* badly for Russia. We're talking collapse-their-economy bad at the absolute minimum.
isn't this the time when some people stated the world would end?
Some biblical thingy or something..
its been pushed back billions of times due to miscalculations?
"Fear of the bomb" was something Moscow used to great effect to sway public opinion in Western countries for decades. Any move to counter Russia would be derided as warmongering and the peaceful solution, of course, was allowing them to do whatever they wanted internationally to avoid the risk of provoking them. Putin is well aware that the Cold War was first and foremost a test of wills, and Obama has almost as little will to confront him as the Europeans do.
Putin's game plan now will be to create as many facts on the ground as he can for the rest of Obama's term to give him the upper hand against a more hawkish President down the road.
no its from a working group of mainly american ex-intelligence people. the same group of people who correctly identified that the intelligence used as a pretext for an iraq invasion was also fabricated with less than 5% of contents being real.
jesus, you tards will fall for any old shit your media prints, im english and we are generally as stupid as americans for believing our mass media, but you sycophants are a different level of deluded completely. slashdot is becoming frightening for its level of ignorance and misinformation.
If NATO or the US could just assassinate (insert x leader that is disliked) they would have done it already. In reality they couldn't even get Castro back when back when he was screwing up the oligarchs manifest destiny party in the 60's and 70's.
Kiev has received threats of nuclear retaliation from Russia through unofficial channels if it continues to fight pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainian Minister of Defence, Valeriy Heletey, announced on his Facebook page on Monday.
This is news for nerds, for people who are supposed to love science. Science is, when you can prove things, reproduce them. An announcement from someone on the losing side who has an interest in dragging NATO into this is not a statement that can be relied on. It is not even mentioned what the unofficial channel, is, nor was any kind of prove provided, like with all the rest of the anti-Russian propaganda, btw.
I expect tomorrow news on ./ to be: The pope said that God is real.
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Everyone who thought it was a good idea to hand the US presidency to a posturing lightweight, please enjoy your evening news.
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Nah I'll let douches like you sign up and die in the Russian winter. If and when Putin decides to attempt to invade this part of the world which is far less likely to happen than the Police having a Military Coup. I'll then fight on my terms and turf. Only idiots sign up to die over foreign bank and trade plots.
Send Sarah Palin in to fix the situation, she's a neighbor and an expert on all things Russia.
The 1980's just called, and they still want their foreign policy back...
The sad part is that the president actually believed what he said that night during the debate. It was all cold war paranoia. Romney was clearly out of touch. Vladimir Putin would NEVER do anything like invade another country in "today's civilized age", let alone do the unthinkable and use nuclear weapons simply to gain some Russian soil. I guess the president can just say: "Well - Chernobyl's already radiated parts of the country, so it's not that big of a deal if the rest glows in the dark, too."
I'm even more sad that so many Americans would STILL vote for this guy today simply because they're Democrats and that's that.
Well said. One has only to look at the name of the submitter to be highly skeptical of this "news"
From coldfjord, unsurprisingly.
This sounds like real news. You would think it would be on the front page of the world's news sites. However...
Isn't on the BBC
Isn't on the Guardian
Isn't on the Washington Post
Isn't on the New York Times*
Isn't on the LA Times
I detect a pattern here.
* The NYT does have on its home page a story entitled "Putin’s War of Words: A Roundup." I guess saying that "thousands of words are already pouring over its western borders" doesn't have quite the same pizazz.
There are no formed Russian military units pouring over the border. There are some Russian soldiers who are on leave and using their personal time to help the separatist movement in Ukraine, but there is absolutely NO ORGANIZED RUSSIAN EFFORT here.
I have a lot of family in Donetsk and Luhansk and it is BUSINESS AS USUAL there. The territory is now and has been operating as if it were part of Russia for MANY MANY YEARS. Nothing has changed except the installation of a westernist puppet as President who is now trying to re-integrate separatist regions under threat of force.
Nobody in eastern Ukraine considers themselves Ukrainian, including my Family who has lived there for generations. Eastern Ukraine has always been and will continue to be Russian.
Oh no! The US Regime's newly installed Nazi Feudal state is screwing up! I guess it's time, yet again, to do full-spectrum media saturation of Hollywood-style "Russia is Evil" stories. BTW .. did they ever find those Iraq WMD?
I seriously hope that this is satire.
The way to end the nuclear threat is with our own strike... I'm getting flashbacks to Dr. Strangelove here.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=131391 ..backed by nuclear weapons.
Claims out of Kiev, London, NATO and the US wrt Russian involvment in shooting down MH17, supplying tanks, etc. have all turned out to be lies.
I no longer give my government any benefit of the doubt. There is serious doubt, given the complete lack of evidence.
Our propaganda machine NEEDS Russian involvment. If the 'intelligence community', lead by lying James Clapper, had real evidence, it would be on the front page of every paper in the world, the lead story on every news program, and repeated endlessly by every hard-right commentator in every medium.
Those stories do not exist. Therefore the evidences does not exist. Therefore these are lies, just like all the others.
I keep seeing this group being painted as in-the-know patriots who have a monopoly on sanity in the midst of chaos, but in trying to look up information on them, I'm finding as much stuff that's damning as encouraging. For instance, in 2010 they said that an Israeli pre-emptive military strike against Iran was imminent, since Israel was worried about losing their justification for war when news got out that Iran had not restarted their nuclear weapons development. And while they did take issue with the pretext for war in Iraq, they also said that one reason the US shouldn't attack Iraq is because Saddam Hussein was likely to use chemical weapons against the invading US forces.
Here's their Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
They may be ex-intelligence officers or whatnot, but their track record seems to be rather hit-or-miss to me. I see no reason to take what they're saying here at face value, though I do think that what they're saying should be considered, albeit, with a grain of salt.
Anyone remember that itty-bitty little mistake of invading the wrong country after 9/11 based on falsified intellegence?
On a scale of 0 to Iraq, how does Putin invading Ukraine rate?
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Liar!
We absolutely are not occupying the Ukraine. There are no Russian troops there, except for those on vacation (after all, every soldier on vacation wants to kick back and relax by participating in a low-level war!). The invasion of Ukraine is Western propaganda.
But if you stop us we might use tactical nuclear arms. Yeah.
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Putin is on the wrong side of the fence, Im pretty sure that if Putin was an american president his actions would be applauded by the same people that call him a madman. Just substitute his name with obama and Ukraine with some arab piece of sand.
The whole idea that there is no actual Russian invasion falls a little flat when there are captured and dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine, and the official Russian line is that those soldiers, apparently with all of their military equipment and supplies, voluntarily invaded Ukraine on their vacations. You would think that Russia wouldn't want their soldiers taking tanks and artillery on vacation with them, but maybe they just do things a little differently in Russia.
By the way, it's just "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine". I would expect 8 former intelligence officials to know that, or at least be consistent in their so-called "memo".
I thought Russia had changed that line once they got a reasonable foothold over the weekend?
As for Ukraine vs "the Ukraine" --
"There are different hypotheses as to the etymology of the name Ukraine. According to the older and most widespread hypothesis, it means "borderland",[21] while more recently some linguistic studies claim a different meaning: "homeland" or "region, country".[22] "The Ukraine" was once the usual form in English[23] but since the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine, "the Ukraine" has become much less common in the English-speaking world and style-guides largely recommend not using the definite article." -- Wikipedia Etymology of Ukraine.
Part of the reason for that is that "the Ukraine" refers to it as being Russia's buffer zone -- not something one wants as a reference for an independent country. This is probably why the more recent "original meanings" refer to homeland instead of borderland.
Geeks are thinkers, by nature. We'll all think off in a nutty direction sometimes, but it's always good to see what's on a few peoples minds.
Slashdot is somewhat international, and we get to moderate posts. It's like reading through the comments portions of an article without all nonsense drowning out the relevant viewpoints.
So far all the "evidence" are verbatim quotes from Poroshenko, who has proven beyond doubt is quite adept at bending the truth. The ONLY captured Russians in Ukraine were a platoon of 9 young conscripts that claimed where lost and DID NOT resisted the detention (aka, there was no skirmish or anything) and ALL military equipment used so far by ALL factions is Russian. So, get your facts straight, there are Russian citizens fighting in Ukraine but there is NO EVIDENCE of official involvement from the Russian army.
Additionally, there is no PROOF that Russian hardware is crossing the border and the FEW satellite images released by NATO are of poor quality and DO NOT show any significant movement of equipment. Actually, if you bother to actually read the official press release what they said is that those where self propelled artillery and the only evidence that it was Russian is that they were coordinating too well for an amateurish army.
That by itself is laughable, since both Russia AND Ukraine had mandatory military service so MOST adults have at least some military training and probably some kind of specialization, not to mention that most likely a lot of the ex-military servicemen from Eastern Ukraine are fighting at the side of the separatists. Then we have the issue of numbers; the satellite shows a tiny unit that by itself would not make any difference whatsoever in the conflict. If history serves as indication, when Russians use artillery they typically deploy overwhelming firepower and not the few units shown in the images. Finally, if you pay attention to the left side of the formation, ALL pieces shown in the zoomed picture are TOWED and not self-propelled, making the claim even more dubious.
In short, that is not evidence of nothing, in particular since a single static shot is not enough to track the movements of the unit to Russian soil. Do you have ANY evidence of the Russian military sending tanks and artillery to East Ukraine?
you know vlad, you can register an account and post under your own name, everyone knows it's you anyways.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
We've put up with Put(z)in this long. He's essentially invading another country and we've have done nothing so far.
Now he's threatening to freely NUKE another country into submission.
This kind of insanity CANNOT be countenanced, EVER. It's hideously dangerous.
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THANK GOD!!!
Actually the Ukraine invasion by Russia is true of at least of what I heard form a coworker, he is Ukrainian with a father is of Russian ethnicity, his parents and grandparents arrived here a week ago after flying from one of the separatist parts of Ukraine, and he told what they parents where telling him from the situation there. Ironically his grandfather (98 years) was a Russian military official until he retired in the 90s, and the one that recognized military units in a covert operation, after all he was a instructor for covert operation before he retired.
This whole Ukraine 'crisis' is made in the USA. Most of the 'news' you hear about it is disinformation, and patent bullshit. Putin was saying, look, we don't want Kiev - if we did, we could take it, but we don't. Meanwhile the US (NATO) is making all kinds of threatening and provocative noises. So Putin was just reminding folks that look, we are not just some other shit country you can make roll over for the Empire.
Of course. this can not stand, according to the idiots that spout foreign policy in Washington. But it will.
as a snowden fan i would gladly enlist on the side of russia, but not until they're actually fighting the US, i have no dog in THIS fight, but when/if they pick the big fight, i'd join the side i support even though emigration would be required.
Having a cold war is only possible if the other is too afraid of you to act (and the reverse). Idiotic middle east wars and lots of anti-american propaganda have dulled that fear. Now, actual war is the only remaining option.
"Ukraine is not a historical entity" i am glad you fixed middle east and Israel problem so quickly and logically
The second the first nuke flies, we'll see how wrong you are about this little fantasy.
Taking bets on what the new name of the crater formerly known as Russia will be after the rest of the civilized world stomps it into the mantle. Before you proclaim "Oh, that will never happen because [fantasy]", think on this: NO ONE wants to die in World War 3. Better that one aggressor country goes down hard than the whole world suffers a nuclear winter.
Great. Conspiracy theorists.
Everyone except Russia has a consistent story.
Russia also recently denied having troops in Crimea prior to the annexation... until later Putin admitted he'd lied.
Let's not even get into the good ol' soviet knack for bullshit.
Of course, *some people* insist on believing contrived stories instead of logical conclusions.
You select one particle of my compound statement, which was intended to provide context for analysis, not a "solution".
You are either a sub-par thinker, or a troll.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Oh my, a member of a recently created government (appointed by coup), who is facing unrest from their own citizens, and is upset about outside assistance by another power (And US, Europe, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel don't?) is posting to his Facebook page that said outside force is planning mass murder. Stop the presses! This "story" has all of the validity of a small time drug dealer scrawling a message on a bathroom wall about the cities drug kingpin planning to release a plague in the city because..... well..... he can?
Russia is our greatest geopolitical threat...
"Cold war has been over for 20 years" indeed. Anyone got their foot in their mouths?
Eat shit Jeremiah shit clown. I can't believe of all people you responded.... fuck off clown.
It also turns out that Palin was smarter than Obama, Biden and even Romney when she (while only running for vice president) predicted Putin would make a move on Ukraine...
The press cherry-picked and emphasized unflattering stuff on Palin and Romney while studiously avoiding all the similar, and in some cases even worse, gaffs by Biden and Obama; that's how propaganda works. The American people were convinced that Obama was a super-smart academic with the cool nerves and analytical abilities of Mr. Spock and the generosity of Santa Claus... without ANY evidence whatsoever. We never saw any of his academic records. He was a student, but we've never heard from any of his college teachers or classmates. Then he was a teacher but we've never heard from any of his students. Oh, and Mr Spock and Santa Claus are fictional characters. This is a repeat of the 1970's when the press convinced Americans that Jimmy Carter was a super-genious nuclear engineer from the nuclear submarine force... most were never told that Jimmy had actually resigned from the navy without ever having deployed on a submarine (he went home to take-over the family farm after the death of his father). To this day, most people who are old enough to remember Carter remember that he was a peanut farmer who havd previously been a nuclear sumbarine man... again: this is how propaganda works.
The whole point of nuclear weapons is not to get what you want but to prevent others from threatening you with them; hence MADD. But the moment you pull out your nuclear weapons and wave them in people's faces you have lowered yourself to the level of some street punk with a gun looking for respect. I really hope that the Russians realize that win or lose Crimea that this type of risk to world stability just isn't worth it.
Using the logic that they are trying on for size any nuclear power could wander around saying, "I'll take this, I'll take that." I think the US would like Jamaica, and I hear Spain is nice this time of they year, they should take that too.
Too me this is a very simple situation. There are parts of Crimea that are very very Russian. There are parts that are not. A referendum that was well monitored by many different disinterested parties would generally be accepted by most. Then there would be Crimea that could have a love in with Russia, and the Ukraine that could have a love in with Europe for a while until they remembered that they did have a big neighbour called Russia that is still there and speaking a very similar language with a very similar culture. At this point the Ukraine might find itself in a very favourable position where it could happily participate in both worlds.
The key to getting any separation right would be to make things very black and white. No Kashmirs left behind. Also there shouldn't be any cheating. If there is cheating then people would be far less likely to accept the result even if it largely was a real result.
Bush did not invade the "wrong country" after 9-11... he sent US forces into Afghanistan (the RIGHT country). You're just being an idiot with your claim.
Bush went into Iraq much later and with MULTIPLE justifications, the first being that Hussein was in violation of the cease-fire terms of the earlier Iraq war (the guy was firing on American pilots on a near daily basis among other things) another cause being that he was sheltering terrorists (he factually WAS) and another was the WMD accusation (which was partly true and partly false). Iraq did indeed have tons of yellowcake uranium (Valerie Plame's husband was the one in error on this when he accused the Bush admin of lying, but he was correct that Iraq was not involved in a program at that time to get MORE). After Saddam fell, the US and Canada trucked many tons of yellowcake out ot Iraq - even Time magazine had to admit that. The error was that Saddam was not actively processing the yellowcake and also that the "intelligence" from an informant nicknamed "curveball" about bio/chenm weapons was wrong (something Bush himself could not have known with certainty at that time). Ever since 9-11, Democrats have insisted that Bush was to blame for not preventing 9-11 because he had been briefed that Bin Laden wanted to attack the United States (NO more details)... so imagine the position he was in when confronted with intel from multiple sources that said Saddam was re-arming with bio and chem weapons and was re-starting his nuke program while being technically at war with the US, hosting terrorists within his country, refusing to allow the UN to verify his weapons, and shooting at Americans... How was the guy SUPPOSED to respond???? and just how shrill would the rantings of you left-wingers become if he had ignored all that and then the US had been attacked???
I read the speech yesterday, seemed rather tame compared to the hate US politicians regularly spout. His main point was that Ukraine must negotiate a ceasefire directly with the rebels. Russia has the upper hand, yet it is the Russians who are pressing for a diplomatic solution, Ukraine (and presumably their western sponsors) are refusing to negotiate with "terrorists". The bit about nukes was not a threat it was a defiant warning to the west, "don't fuck with Russia", it was made in the context of a plea to the west to help solve the dispute in a "modern way", ie: through diplomacy.
Putin has demonstrated he has a stronger influence over the rebels than the west has over Ukraine, a few days ago he averted a potential slaughter by calling on the rebels to open a corridor so that surrounded and outnumbered Ukrainian troops could withdraw, sadly I haven't seen any reports of efforts to defuse the situation by the Ukrainian government or the west. The consistent response of Ukraine to military defeats in various towns and cities has been to shell the people they are trying to "liberate" with heavy artillery. Such actions do nothing but kill civilians, destroy infrastructure, and ultimately swell the ranks of the rebels.
I was born in 1959 at the height of the cold war, the enthusiasm of the western media to label Putin as a modern day Hitler is troubling, the fact that a large chunk of western society believes it, is frightening. The village idiot who's running things down here in Oz has been thrusting his chin in the air and sprouting macho bullshit, he's threatened to stop Putin attending the G20 meeting in Brisbane. He does not represent my views, my view is that our government should be supporting the call Putin made in the speech for a "modern" solution to what is essentially a proxy war between the nuclear heavyweights.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
Ahh! We have encountered a logician!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Are you of russian heritage by any chance?
Six billion of you motherfuckers are about to be raptured.. To bad the Americans don't have to guts to end it before it starts.
Please can the fucking bullshit.
It's obvious by now that Russia's line is pure Soviet-style bullshit.
If they launched a nuke tomorrow and the whole world traced it back to a luanch site in Siberia, they'd still blame it on someone else.
What usually happens to people like that is that they "go internal", because they start to fear their inner circle. Putin is also a narcissist, which makes him doubly dangerous. If's he's not upping the ante to gain attention, he gets bored. That is worrying. Also, he's a prime candidate for "internal" elimination.
This is just Sabre rattling. The people with all the money won't let it get out of hand. Russia needs that Ukrainian port, so they're going to come done like a ton of bricks. But you'll notice the markets haven't even budged over this.
:(...
What I really want to see is the good 'ole days when American companies were afraid to outsource because the big bad Communists were going to take their factories. That's pretty much the birth of the American Middle Class. But the owners & rent seekers learned that lesson real quick
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He brought Medvedev along to upvote him.
Contrary. Mostly German-speaking Moravian (Austro/Czech) - by way of England.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Never ever give up your nukes. You might be invaded later.
What satellite photos are you expecting to see? The US military satellites whose images are classified? Or were you expecting the cable networks to somehow turn their broadcast satellites into spy satellites? You're a total asshat.
CNN? Maybe The Post in a real stretch but CNN a NATO parrot? You're fucking high.
Here: http://news.nationalpost.com/2...
1-It would guarantee a full economic embargo from the EU. It's one of the few things that scares the voters enough to make that very painful choice politically viable. 2-They don't need to. They have the military forces to take the entire country easily, why ruin their prize by making the breadbasket of Russia radioactive?
http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/02/the-smoking-gun-russian-column-confirmed-in-krasnodon/
"Ukraine Defense Minister claims". Do they have names these days? What credibility do they have? And I have seen on Google Earth Ukrainian commandos with tactical nukes near Denver. Why not? Everybody else makes unsubstantiated claims.
By the way, its the former Ukrainian president and current political favorite Yulia Timoshenko who said on camera that people of Donetszk region should be nuked. This is on record and undeniable, unlike what the Defense Minister Dijour have presumably heard from Putin. Or imagined he has heard. Or is deliberately provoking a response: "Oh my God! Those damn russians with their nukes! They are almost at my doorstep". That's called bullshit reporting
yeah Russia is too poor to invade a rich western country. At this point I don't see a difference between them and North Korea; a backwards 3rd world nation pretending to be relevant while sitting at the kids chair.
Amateur hour over there.
If he planned to do it he would not warn people about it.
Also Russia would become a wasteland if a single one of it's power reactors near Moscow got hit by their victims even using conventional weapons.
Me thinks that bear knows better than to shit in his own cave.
stick it to these rothschild cocksuckers!
1. The presence of regular Russian army units fighting in Ukraine, as well as attempts to hide that fact and the related causalities (google for numerous funerals in the Pskov paratrooper division # 76 or military hospitals in St. Petersburg that "suddenly" filled up), have been proven many times. There already are over 2,000 Russian soldiers dead, and the count is rising quickly.
2. Life in the cities of Donetsk and Luhansk occupied by gangsters calling themselves "separatists" is nowhere close to normal, primarily because of the very said gangsters. There is no law and no human rights there. Attempts to call it "normal" only reveal PP's total ignorance of the actual conditions there (the pretense to have relatives there is particularly funny).
3. Eastern Ukraine is populated about half-by-half by the Ukrainians and the Russians who have lived together peacefully for centuries - be that in the Russian Empire, in the USSR, or in modern Ukraine.
Nice try, trolls from Ol'gino.
Not with systemd it wont!
It doesn't do global power projection nor does it depend on sea lanes for economic survival.
The only purpose of the Soviet/Putinist fleet is offensive which is reflected in its bias towards attack vessels. It's objective is to cut the sea bridge between CONUS and Europe during an offensive war against Europe. Much of that equipment was scrapped since the purported end of the Cold War, but now that Cold War II is on expect a renewal of boomers and attack subs followed by other less vital vessels.
We've seen this before, and Putin grew up in it.
We made contact, nukes have been disarmed for 2 years. Notice no nuke tests in two years?
I am shocked/amazed/disappointed that there is so much talk about war, but no serious consideration of Europe trying to get through the winter without Russian gas. War is incomparably worse than burning your furniture to keep warm. If Europe can't begin to figure out how to get by without Russian gas, I, as a US citizen, don't want my country participating in any kind of military activity to support them.
I see your Nuclear Sabre rattling, and I call. Use em or loose em ass hole! The cowboy philosophy works like this: throw your weight around, and expect to have your own weight thrown around. Russia has been throwing its weight around for quite a while now. Far too few Russians have died. They keep whining about having done far too much in world war 2, and got nothing back. Well others did a lot more than they did, and Russia *was* on both sides for a while. Its a very good thing I'm not the president of the United States, or Moscow denizens would have suffered extreme x-ray poisoning already. Yeah, Russia has a lot of Nuclear Weapons, yep, but just keep the thought that they aren't the only ones, and once everything is all used up, there are 140 million Russians in the world, and the rest of the world is roughly 7 billion. Figure that out Putin. Clearly Russia needs a little slap or a spank.
What are you doing using a zionist news outlet as a source, they backed the coup to begin with.
you really think Russia couldn't take Kiev within a week if they were actually invading? man you people are brainwashed - there are multiple goals for NATO in this but mostly about creating the conditions to blame Russia for the inevitable global economic crash due to the US dollar fiat ponzi scheme coming to an end.
Climate change is not going to kill us all, or anyone, really.
Nuclear war will do it first.
If only the President would look deep into Putin's eyes and see his soul. Everything would be hunky.
As a person living in Finland, I for one welcome our russian overlords! :)
I hate to break it to you but a lot of things happened since august 30th... and before august 30th.
Why doesn't Putin admit military participation to the conflict ? What is he afraid of ? Russian peoples reaction or western reaction ? Atleast he's afraid of NATO..
Keep the WW3 propaganda of Slashdot please!
News flash: the rest of the world doesn't believe the stupid stories pushed out by the kremlin. Perhaps instead of stealing bodies, they should have been returned immediately to the country they lived in.
My god I'm amazed how brainwashed Russians are, do you think the other 6 billion people on the planet are as dumb as you? We're not.
It seems that /. has decided to become Ukraine's mouthpiece. Ukraine is said to have a 130K active and 1MM reserves in their armed forces. Yet they can't seem to roll over the "rebels" and maybe, perhaps, who really knows, a few thousand ex or current Russian soldiers? Hey here's one of those elite rebels.. or is he Russian?
Ok I have been a bit depressed and stressed lately, and for some months I've been free of booze and drugs, so feel free to mod me troll. But despite living a pretty good existence by most superficial measures right now, I'm tempted to say: JUST BLOW ALL THE SHIT UP AND FREE US ALL FROM THIS TYRANNY OF EXISTENCE.
1999. “President Clinton permitted himself to put pressure on Russia,” Yeltsin said, “but it seems he has forgotten that Russia has a full arsenal of nuclear weapons.”
It should not be too difficult to find a Russian-speaking person, who can read the Putin's speech in the original language and confirm that nothing like that was ever said by Putin. This is not even a "loose and creative" interpretation, this is a total and complete hoax. Propaganda writers of the US regime were working in DDoS mode for the last few months, pumping out copious amounts of uninspired garbage-quality nonsense. This specific piece of nonsense does not stand out in any way. Why is it suddenly here?
"Russia has moved 4,000 to 5,000 military personnel â" a figure far higher than one U.S. official's earlier claim of 1,000 troops. The soldiers are aligned in 'formed units' and fighting around Luhansk and Donetsk.... And they may soon have company: Some 20,000 troops are on border and 'more may be on the way.'"
This from a "UK government source", regurgitated by lazy journalists with a complete lack of criticism, just like every other accusation we've heard over the last few months. If Russia is invading Ukraine with entire regiments, where is the proof? Unsubstantiated accusations from government "sources" - UK, USA, Ukraine, and Russia alike - are worse than useless.
Why do you call them out on saying "the Ukraine" a couple of times? They're Cold War-era guys, and old habits die hard. Get over it.
And what exactly do you mean by 'so-called "memo"'? Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity sent Merkel a memo; this is a thing that happened. Would you call it something else? A letter, perhaps?
First, i think Russia does have troops in the Ukriane.
But there are commercial entities in both Europe and the US who have satalites capable of taking photos with astounding resolutions. Google is one that comes to mind. Back in the 90s, ms had a site called terraserve or something like that which had sat photos of such resolution that you could read markings on stopped semi trailers. Of course that didn't last long before the US government limited the resolutions allowed to be released- which they just recently relaxed.
So i think it is a legitimate question. Where are all the sat photos of this incursion? We had tons of them when that plane disapeared. They were commercial photos and we were asked to look for potential wreckage from the plane.
Yes, he said that. However, effectively the same thing was said by Yeltsin in 1999, in a similar context. Russian nuclear forces haven't considerably changed in terms of capability since that time. Why the big surprise?
You might want to be precise. Crimea has always been a big Russian military base. So of course they had military there. So what exactly did they deny?
You may also wonder who destabilized the Ukrainian government, leading to a putsch, without thinking about the well-known fact that Russia has a history of using political instability for their benefit. I cannot blame Crimeans for not wanting to end up in a civil war, BTW. In that light it was a very rational decision to join Russia.
"A country of merely 140 million, this may well be Russia's last chance to expand its borders until the end of history, so if that is Putin's goal then now is the time to play his hand as hard as he possibly dares to."
And that is what I don't understand. Russia is probably one of the most underpopulated but most resource rich countries in the world. Why does it need to expand its borders when it's already the LARGEST country in the world?
I can understand if China wants the South China Sea to be its private oil field or fish pond so it can feed its billions. I can understand the Germany of old starting two world wars in a bid to increase their Lebensraum (living space). Ditto with Japan and Britain in their imperial wars of conquest. But Russia wanting even more territory? Or is it natural resources? Maybe the Siberia is too cold? Then Putin should be extending his dick south, not west.
This is plain nuts. They might as well send a space force to take over Mars. It's much bigger and the inhabitants are less hostile if any.
But he's also a realist.
No, he surely thinks so but he is not (really) a realist. He has in fact a rather distorted view of reality, influenced by historical Tsar novels and shitloads of intelligence reports, but believes firmly that his assessment of the world and other world leaders is 100% accurate. The only people he knows and regularly meets who could object to his world views are filthy rich oligarchs whose only interest is in staying filthy rich. He lives in his own bubble like most slightly mad dictators in history before him, and his reality distortion will become worse the longer he stays in power. Like many people he also entertains bizarre and incorrect personal pop psychology views of other persons, which in his case are the result of a relatively rough childhood (including being beaten by his father) and extensive KGB indoctrination.
If he were a realist he'd be primarily occupied with Russia's economy, which could be flourishing by now if there was still a middle class in Russia, rather than leading his country backwards and annecting territory of foreign nations in the 21st Century.
[news.com.au] - Not a credible source of news. A handful of just out of school kids hooked into every social media website republishing the rock bottom scum of journalism.
A Rupert Murdoch company... say no more.
Any election or referendum that ends with >95% of the votes for one option goes into the Kim Jong-Il category: http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/...
Maybe if we would be nicer (e.g., not punishing the people of Russia with sanctions), then Putin would still be interested in a reset rather than feeling the need to engage in these kinds of aggressive behaviors. In other words, maybe we should try be nicer to him just as we have with China, Isis, North Korea, Iran, undocumented immigrants from Central and South America, etc.
Putin has shown almost incredible restraint, but this is because he prefers to defeat his enemies off the battle field. Art of war and all that. He has been accused of the most appaling attrocities without any evicence, he has seen the harshest sanctions imposed on his economy without justification, and has endured a legion of sabre rattling from across the world. He has also stood by and watched ethnic Russian women and children murderred by the Ukrainian millitary using fied artillary on peoples homes. Check it out of the 2,500 people killed 2000 are innocent civillians killed by the Ukrainian army. It is likely that he doesn't give a hoot about Ukraine except Crimea, and he is not about to give up his only habour that isn't frozen half the year, after establishing that the inhabitants would much rather be Russia than Ukrainian. As for the sabre rattling, it's all around him. Putin is simply saying did you forget something in all the axcitement, you are about to engage with a country which has a nuclear arsenal at its desposal, and a formidable tacticle army. Put your sabres away they are of no consequence.
The whole idea that there is no actual Russian invasion falls a little flat when there are captured and dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine, and the official Russian line is that those soldiers, apparently with all of their military equipment and supplies, voluntarily invaded Ukraine on their vacations. You would think that Russia wouldn't want their soldiers taking tanks and artillery on vacation with them, but maybe they just do things a little differently in Russia.
By the way, it's just "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine". I would expect 8 former intelligence officials to know that, or at least be consistent in their so-called "memo".
It's not actually incorrect to say 'The Ukraine'
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blindly antisocialist = antisocial
And did you hear, rvz.ru/~vladimir/bullshit.html is reporting that Ukraine is now working with ALIENS and THE ILLUMINATI to force Russian mothers in the Donbass to eat their own babies! It's TRUE!
Freedom House on press freedom in Russia. Reporters Without Borders's take.
It's one thing if you're dumb enough to take state propaganda outlets of a country that takes #148th place on the press freedom ranking, where even blogs are forced to register with government censors if they get too many readers and where it's standard practice to hire actors to play parts in the news. But it's even more ridiculous when you do so in regards to an event where said propaganda outlets have put forth literally more than a dozen different, completely contradictory reasons why it's not Russia's fault, including but not limited to "we have proof Ukraine shot it down with a surface-to-air missle", "we have proof Ukraine shot it down with an air-to-air missile", "we have proof that Ukraine gunned it down with a fighter cannon", "we have proof that Ukraine rammed it", "we have proof that Ukraine loaded a plane full of dead bodies, disguised it as a civilian airliner and tricked the rebels into shooting it down", "we have proof that Ukraine deliberately tricked the rebels into shooting down an actual civilian airliner", and my favorite - the original reported in the Russian press, before it became clear that it was a civilian aircraft - "we've confirmed that the heroic rebels of the Donbas just successfully shot down a Ukranian military jet!"
Could chocolate let me finish?
Yes, a company with a multi-million dollar asset is going to redirect it to take pictures of an area somewhat blindly, hoping to capture evidence of the invasion. /s
Even if they could sell the few good images they got, they'd wasted immense amounts of time (and thus money).
Governments don't expect a monetary return on this kind of thing, so they're the ones doing the spying. They also have a vested interest in not exposing their capabilities too much.
Where are all the sat photos of this incursion? We had tons of them when that plane disapeared. They were commercial photos and we were asked to look for potential wreckage from the plane.
Well, you sure as hell found the fucking plane, did you not? Oh, wait...
Ukraine isn't in NATO.
Basically any nation with nukes can invade any non-NATO country.
Want protection, rest of the world? Join NATO or get nukes.
I don't think anyone believes anything that the Ukrainian government, or the US media reports any more.
If there were really Russian forces in Ukraine, don't you think that the murderous Ukrainian regime would be milking the pictures of them publicly. The fact they can't do so, suggests that its just propaganda.
> The British government source told CNN on Friday that Russia has moved 4,000 to 5,000 military personnel -- a figure far higher than one U.S. official's earlier claim of 1,000 troops.
Oh great, once again an "anonymous government source" is the basis for the media's coverage of a pending war?
No fucking way.
NONE of the independent media that has travelled to eastern ukraine has found actual russian troops.
> the Ukraine Defence Minister claims Russia has made threats that they're prepared to use tactical nuclear weapons to stop further resistance.
The Ukrainian government is the second least trustworthy news source involved in this conflict. This is the most idiotic infalmatory statement I've heard in ages.
The funniest thing is that weeks ago when the Ukraine forces were "winning", they didn't want to stop for talks but the rebels and Moscow did. Now that the rebels have the upper hand, Ukraine wants to talk but the rebels don't (or at least not without a partial pullback of Ukraine forces).
As Russian soldiers depart from their eastern borders to invade Ukraine, this provides the Chinese with a perfect opening to pour across Russia's eastern border. "I want to remind you that China is one of the world's most powerful nations. This is a reality, not just words."
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
putin? i didnt know you visited slashdot!
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
go to liveleak if you want proof
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
You mean those same commercial companies with multi-million dollar assets that sold sat photos to all the 24 hour news channels at the start of the last two wars? I guess you have a point if we ingore that. But it is not like there isn't a revenue stream already in place.
And not finding a plan does absollutely nothing towards whether or not other sat pics could or should exist. Do you somehow think those commercial photos were fake or something?
Except, this is how World Wars get started. There is a Treaty in play. One that says, we Ukraine will disarm all our nuclear weapons if you the USA will come to our aid should we ever be invaded. Which is why I suspect there is all this word play as to if Russia has indeed "Invaded" Ukraine or not. If indeed Russia has invaded Ukraine, then the USA would be obligated to come to their aid significantly, as would any others that signed the treaty. Not only that, you would get allies that have signed pacts with the involved countries for mutual military actions, then so on and repeat until everyone is involved and you get a World War. Combine that with the fact that the two major combatants would be the largest nuclear weapons owners, is cause for concern, particularly if one is currently rattling that saber.
However even if it came to conventional war, using nuclear weapons would be insane. The one and only time it was considered and used, was because the potential casualty rate was expected to be well over 1 million troops for a conventional invasion of Japan to force capitulation. The largest war in recent history lasted nearly 10 years, yet less than 5,000 US troops were killed. Think about how far those two numbers are apart. Even then the two devices were in the kiloton range not the megaton. The US isn't going to invade Russia, and Russia isn't going to invade the US.
Anyway if the US doesn't honor the Treaty it brings into question all their previous treaties, pacts, alliances, etc... as being worthless and subject to political whim.
In war, truth is the first casualty
Aeschylus, Greek tragic dramatist (525 BC - 456 BC)
"The hallmark of humanity is the ability to move beyond sensory inputs" - Mary Helen Immordino-Yang
Proof or gtfo.
The source of the "5000 troops in organized groups" is an 'anonymous government source'. The source of the "they are threatening to nuke us, they claim they will nuke us if necessary" is the Ukrainian government itself, the second least trustworthy source in the region. NOT GOOD ENOUGH. NOT BY FAR.
Without question they've been transferring in armoured equipment, and I wouldn't doubt the number of 1000, and some cross border shelling is believable (something the Russians think they could get away with), but whenever actual media on the ground go looking through "newly won rebel territory", they find nothing but locals. The Ukrainians haven't captured any regular Russian forces in actual combat, just that one small unit out of position near the border weeks ago.
The funniest thing in all of this is that weeks ago when the Ukrainians were making gains, they refused to negotiate while the Russians and Rebels seemed to be willing. Now that the rebels are making gains, guess what? Ukraine wants to negotiate, the rebels not so much.
This "slashdot submission" is dangerously alarmist, and completely unacceptable. The mainstream media needs to be a LOT MORE sensible about what drivel they publish. We cannot allow ourselves to get ourselves hyped up about imaginary dangers.
It would be one hell of a crime if our vaunted "fifth estate" ... normally such a pivotal key part of democratic and free countries ... helps drag us deeper into a pile of crap because they are pursuing advertising dollars.
I did not see a single photo that was dated to the start of any recent conflict on any news channel. Selling photos from three weeks ago (pretty damn recent by almost any standard) would not help here.
Even if they did get them, it's not like any news organization has people on hand who are skilled in telling Russian military hardware apart from Ukrainian military hardware in satellite photos (hint: you can't, unless you get lucky or can account for all of one side's hardware).
Yes, we have proof!
Like the trailers w/ weapons of mass destruction buried in the desert in Iraq?
Like the Chemical Weapons in Libya?
Yesh, I believe you have proof. Certainly.
Stop talking Putin and Obama. Start talking Gazprom, Chevron, Koch brothers, Altai pipeline. Compare Monsanto's unchecked power to Gazproms power for Russia - it's like 2 sides of the same coin. Does it really matter if commies invade the capitalists or the capitalists invade the communists? To people in power of course it does, but to you and it seems to me to be the more of the same. Not worth dying for. So I'm not going to pick up a gun. Both sides know this so they will have to false flag to make me bait me into picking up a gun and fight for those company resources again.
Some of us stand together in acknowledging the powers that try to cause us to fight on their behalf. Which ever side you've been born, married or bought into you should be of the same opinion. Both sides lie the same. We all know this now because we have friends and family on either side.
Related /. article was regards that typical Americans hold no democratic power, confirming our thoughts that it's corporations all the way. As I say, it's similar both sides of the water. Russia is money, USA is money, China is money. It's been said many times but drop trying to think it can be about anything else. Money may make it about something else for it's interests but you are free to ignore the bait. Like a devil free to test you (or an attractive woman testing to see if you're a worthy suitor), you don't have to respond. That can be difficult but it's one thing you can always have the option of.
To reiterate, I've no problem with ordinary Russian citizens. Or American citizens. Or Europeans. We're not enemies. We know that's just a construct. Same for Muslims or whatever it is I'm told to start hating next.
It's stating the obvious. But I read the responses here and I feel the need to state such a simple thing.
If you're Russian I wish you good luck in weaning off of your powers above you. Likewise for either side in rooting out corruption and this kind of power play.
And now for some folly. Nostrodamous prediction is for ISIS & friends to come out of the middle east, ebola to complicate a war between Russia/China(East) & Nato etc (west).
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I was just about to point out the similarities between Eastern Ukraine and 19th century Texas. In both cases you have an ethnic group (non-hispanic whites in Texas and Russians in Eastern Ukraine) which comes to represent a majority both through historic migration and native population growth. Or maybe the more current situation is the Southwestern US which has a large Hispanic population, some of which would like to rejoin Mexico. On the one hand you don't want modern states being based on ethnic majorities, on the other hand the democratic principle of self determination is pretty compelling. I don't think there is a clear morally unambiguous answer in either situation. There are a large number of people in Eastern Ukraine who clearly consider themselves closer to Russia than to Ukraine and with the break-up of the Soviet Unions found themselves on the wrong side of a border that was meaningless for more than a century.
I doubt that google has its own satellites.
They buy the photos like anyone else does from the "owners"
Where are all the sat photos of this incursion?
Stupid question, don't you think so?
Who owns the satellites up there? Mainly companies in NATO countries. A very few Indian, a few more Chinese and lots of Russians.
I don't even know if India and China have "spy" satellites or only telecommunication ones.
So: obviously in a crisis like this the companies owning satellites have court/martial law orders not to disclose anything like this. Or what would you do as the President of France when a french company threatens to put you into a war with Russia because it posts detailed troop movements in the internet?
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
What THIS is doing at Slashdot? The article reads like ravings of a mad man.
Do you really believe Russia has provided NO lethal support in Ukraine/Crimea? Or will it be a "no true scotsman, Crimea isn't Ukraine" sort of argument?
Sketchy social networking and twitter twits aren't proof of an invasion. Usually, an invasion is proof of an invasion. They're big, loud and well-populated. Rather hard to miss, really.
What we have here is evidence of nothing more than the West desperately trying to spin something out of nothing in an effort to protect the little Nazi stronghold they installed. What else can they do? Russia doesn't care. The West has no teeth in this matter.
Paul Craig Roberts sums it up neatly:
how-you-can-tell-whether-russia-invaded-ukraine
When are people going to click to the fact that the Western media lies about everything? We've seen this side show before, many times over the years. What makes anyone think that this time the same old liars are going to miraculously start singing the truth?
And please don't twitter on about half-empty trucks. Proof? Nothing more than a photo of a truck with some boxes in it and some men standing over them. Was it being loaded? Emptied? We don't know. All we have is a picture and a rumor. That's all the propaganda wing of the Pentagon has to offer.
Amazingly, Macleans has managed to stick to the facts they know without engaging in speculation.
Who knows how long they'll last before Psyops Americana kicks them in the rump for not playing along with the American Dream.
Gonna be a painful day when everybody is woken up with that splash of cold reality coming down the pike. The West has already lost this one. Russia has all the industry and food growing capacity it needs. U.S. sanctions are an idiotic, facile, desperate measure. Pathetic, really, because they mean nothing. They hurt us more than them, by a long shot.
Russia is the natural powerhouse on that side of the ocean; who cares what hissy fits the U.S. throws? The U.S. is irrelevant. They've utterly failed to even get their proxy war via our Kiev Nazis to terrorize people in a straight line without spilling buckets of stupid all over the place. I guess that's what you get when you employ raving psychopaths to do your bidding. Incompetent, butchering gits.
And while we're on the subject of incompetence.., where's the follow up on Malaysian Flight 17? The media dropped that ball faster than any other airline disaster in the history of airline disasters. -I guess the claptrap story started to fall apart under its own weight and threaten embarrassment. Latest material I saw indicated that the cockpit was shot full of bullet holes and that BUK missiles were not capable of bringing the plane down where it came down. No comments, mister media..? Guess not.
We can't even hold our own house of cards together, let alone anybody else's.
But still we see people thronging again to the soda jerk for more froth.
Welcome to WWIII. Russia, N Korea, the middle east and china against Europe, the Americas and Japan.
" that, "Russia has moved 4,000 to 5,000 military personnel — a figure far higher than one U.S. official's earlier claim of 1,000 troops. "
And the proof of those figures is what exactly? Oh the USA government and they would NEVER lie. Except about WMD in Iraq, gas attack in Syria, etc.
Oh and who was it that caused this mess in the first place? The USA!! The legal and democratically elected government of the Ukraine was going to take Russia up on it's sweetheart deal instead of the EU's second class citizenship with more debt and the USA didn't like that so they overthrew him and put an illegal puppet government in place.
So Russia gets Crimea back, Ukraine loses $90m a year, the USA has to pay off the Ukraine gas debt, the Ukraine/USA has to pay in advance for all future gas and the Ukraine will have the EU dictate "austerity" for it.
Russia 5, USA 0
The commercial satellite imagery company DigitalGlobe has provided commercial imagery that corroborates NATO claims that Russian forces are operating in Ukraine.
Here is a link to a news story that documented this over a week ago.
Unfortunately, posting this will undo a few troll mods. Eh.
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
Intercepted conversation was published in local Pskov media, editor was heavily beaten for these activities,
snapshot from cache, original publication was taken down:
http://web.archive.org/web/201...
Authentic rude Russian language, swearing every second word, sorry it may be hard for automatic translators.
Describes to caller activities of his team of about 90 troopers on territory of Ukraine at 10AM of August 20th, with about 80 killed on spot.
For those, who still can't see war going on: nothing new - you are supposed to continue your way.
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It's clear that Russia has weapons of mass destruction. The US has no choice but to invade and force a regime change before Putin can totally destabilize an already volatile region. Who's with me?
Chelloveck
I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
The problem here is we are afraid of appeasing the tyrant without publicising that we already did - the west allowed this to happen already and we need to fix that urgently.
a1) Nazi leader Adolf Hitler violates the Treaty of Versaille and moves troops into the Rhineland.
a2) Russian President Putin invades Georgia on a pretext that was clearly prepared in advance - my apologies to the people of Georgia comparing the invasion of their country with a troop movement - I am doing this only to try and wake people up and present a reality not lessen your sacrifice or ignoring that the west was clearly silent.
b1) Nazi leader Adolf Hitler began the occupation of Czechoslovakia with the annexation of Czechoslovakia's northern and western border regions, known collectively as the Sudetenland and the west agreed and was silent.
b2) Russian President Putin annexed the Crimea region of the Ukraine and the west saw it but generally was silent.
c1) When Hitler marched his troops into Czechoslovakia in March 1939, it became clear that appeasement had failed and Chamberlain guaranteed to defend Poland if Germany invaded.
c2) Russian President Putin invaded eastern Ukraine the west made vague promises that did not even meet the promises to Ukraine when they surrendered their nuclear weapons (Google it, I have nothing to add).
What more do you want?, more appeasement? do not be lied to here we are almost past the point of no return the action now needs to be loud and clear or we will get more of this until that madman is at our door.
Appeasement was a method for the western allies i.e. the British and the French to give them time to wake up their populations to prepare for war and rearm for a new war, both nations did this but time ran out so France was occupied by Hitler. Historically Chamberlain is seen as a fool, in reality he bought us time but we need to use that time correctly! Fortunately for history the English channel afforded the British more time to prepare so they could hold the line but not move it back without help, this pushed Hitler to turn on his allies astonishingly the Russian's who appear to have learned the wrong part of this lesson and who are deemed to repeat his mistakes unless the people in Russia stand up to be counted to stop this inevitable collapse into insanity that Putin is pushing.
Mother of Anton Tumanov from Mari El republic, Russia tells story of her son, who struggled to get decent job,
recruited to army, was forced to participate in military activities at Ukraine, killed there August 13th with 120 others,
450 injured out of 1200 soldiers of 18-th brigade. Russian soldiers, Ukrainian soil, real bloody war.
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You'll buy any bag of bullshit, Yankee.
Seriously. Netanyahu DUPLICATES the ethic, tactics, goal and racial supremacist position of the Nazis, but you go all apeshit over Putin as the new Hitler/Stalin/Atilla.
I am not a Putin supporter. I am anti-Statist. This includes Russia. This includes US and UK. I can tell you who has killed and proxied the deaths of more innocents in the last 100 years, and it isn't Russia.
But what can you say to the "land of the free", home to 25% of the world's imprisoned?
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
They all had them and displayed them on air in their coverage of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan when it they started.
Yawn.. You bore me with this insipid tripe about how you cannot believe anyone other than governments have access to satellite imagery or could procure it. It is there in the private sector, they can get it, even you can purchase it. News organizations pay huge sums of cash to so called consultants who can distinguish between the two. But even if they all were broke and couldn't pay anyone, they could still show the images.
But now that you are so dead set on claiming they couldn't, and if they somehow could, they wouldn't know what they were looking at, I'm even more curious to why they haven't tried. Is the OPs point valid? Is it all propaganda?
It's hard to take over a country yourself when you're trying to pretend you're not helping the locals, and said locals aren't really good at taking over a country. Like the US support of the various South Vietnamese Governments during the Vietnam war: If your "allies" are incompetent, corrupt idiots, it's really hard to make things work.
The whole point of nuclear weapons is not to get what you want but to prevent others from threatening you with them; hence MADD.
Mothers Against Drunk Driving?
If one wants to post something on international affairs, then one should educate oneself on a specific topic and get info from different sources, not just Chicken Noodle News. Try http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b....
Look into Burisma Holdings under board of directors and production (pay attention to the map). You have been fed propaganda.
This is a diversion to take pressure off of "ISIS". Putin is in league with the muslim extreamists, and is trying to divert attention from their atrocities. If he gets more empire too, that is just extra.
We can "not" go to Ukraine to "not" fight the Russians, that are "not" there.
You can quote me on that.
Why do you call them out on saying "the Ukraine" a couple of times? They're Cold War-era guys, and old habits die hard. Get over it.
Somehow I get the impression you would not be as forgiving of those arguing against your position if they were to refer to "Russia" as "Soviets". Hey, they're just Cold War Era guys, right?
- T
Putin is insane!
Gonna take your football home and cry,cry babies