If your requirements don't change, then your hardware doesn't need to change. It doesn't matter if you are just surfing the web or doing video editing.
A new machine might make batch jobs finish faster. Whether or not that is important is disputable.
> Walk inside a public place these days. What do you see?
Mostly PCs. Even at the Starbucks next to the local Apple Store you will still see mostly PCs. This is where the conspicous consumers shop. Never mind anything more down market.
You haven't seen a sea of Apples on a HS campus since it was Apple II's.
And please, no pretending that X on Linux doesn't crash. It does, and this is the 4th time I've restarted this laptop today. Hanging hard with VirtualBox.
You're talking about an app that comes with it's own kernel modules. It's own kernel modules are probably what's causing the problem.
Although I've run vobx for months and months at a time myself with no trouble.
I seriously have to wonder if any of you people have jobs or if you're just unemployed and live in your mother's basement. If you had been in a Windows or Unix shop in the last 10 years you would have seen examples of both X and RDP.
If anything, the world is catching up to where Unix used to be. The demand for remote desktop functionality is actually INCREASING rather than decreasing.
Even if I were OK with the MacOS style approach to dealing with remote desktop requirements, I would still be faced with the problem of my hardware vendor not supporting Wayland. Until that happens, Wayland a complete non-starter.
That driver might not "use X" but I still benefit greatly from it.
It means that it's just a little more obvoius that the lawyers are lying scumbags. If you believe they are working for free, I have bridge to sell you.
> A home server that serves as a personal cloud does not meet that traditional definition of "Personal Computer"
Sure it would. It's under your personal control. A commie running a BBS is no less of a "personal computer" just because it's providing a service for other users. The same is true of a PC that's running a media server, or file shares, or a web server.
The problem with all of this propaganda is that it's still far more expense to build an ultra thin laptop. It's rediculously so. It's more expensive than less compact laptops. Never mind PCs.
So PCs still remain the cheap option.
Industry standard interchangeable parts BENEFITS manufacturing. The fact that it makes a device more user serviceable is just a happy side effect.
...and all of the other things that the PC can do or has that won't fit into an undersized laptop. More storage. Better CPU. More RAM. Better GPU. Expansion slots. Proper cooling.
By the time you are done buying all of those extra boxes for a silly Ultrabook, you are better off just buying a new PC and not bothering with the whole plugging into and unplugging from the dock.
A local cloud makes all of that nonsense moot.
You think you're trendy but you're still living in the past.
It doesn't. If someone is using a copy of Win7 Ultimate in the other room and I want to log into my own account, I have to knock them off in order to do so.
Windows might be able to do this if you pay Microsoft enough money. It's not going to be the sort of thing that your $50 copy of Windows can manage though.
I have a shitty $300 clone from 4 years ago that sits in the place that a new $700 Mac otherwise would. I can do this because it can accept a cheap video card upgrade.
I could put more RAM in it or even an SSD. It already has a slide out hot swap drive tray with a 1TB drive in it. This is not a terribly upgradeable machine but it beats the snot out of something built to be disposable.
> There are apps (cloud or device driven) for mobiles to make internet selling easy.
This is a pretty weak and lame remark.
Now if you said something like "my favorite mobile app for task X is A", then you would have said something worth wasting the infintesimal amout of resources your comment took up.
Lots of people make lots of wild vague claims with no details or anything else to back them up really. It's all just repeating someone else's propaganda in the end.
> Tablets and smartphones are revolutionizing our ability to do create content.
No they aren't. They are just making it more likely you will have some sort of recording device on hand. It may not even be a terribly good one.
If anything, Apple is helping preliferate cheap crap. Kind of funny really.
It's also "phones", not tablets. Phones cause the proliferation of cheap crappy cameras because people want to have a phone with them. Extra features tag along. Tablets are quite a bit more awkward in this regard. So your attempt to drag the iPad into this nonsense is really quite stupid.
> It couldn't possibly be that most content consumers are simply not interested in creating content?
That's funny because our overlords in Cupertino were telling us for years that everyone wants to be an artist with things like iLife and what not. I guess they decided it was time for a new gospel.
Artifacts of content creation still sell well. They don't seem to be going anywhere. They don't seem to be "obscure" or "geeky" either.
Grandmas have been creating content since before the first consumer computing device hit the mainstream. That genie's probably not going back in his bottle any time soon.
The P in PC stands for personal. That means that it's in your control. These new devices are basically following the old mainframe model and the corporate managed IT model. They aren't PCs. They're PCs trying to pretend to be appliances.
The best comparison is to a Tivo.
Whether or not a piece of kit has a keyboard or monitor is really the least relevant thing. If you've got root, it's a PC. If you don't have root, then it's not a PC.
No. It burns me that Apple has shit on it's previous legacy and turned itself into the new Microsoft. This isn't about envy. This is pure dissapointment.
It also burns me that a fanboy like you tolerates any of it instead of expecting better like a user of a "premium luxury brand" should.
The first people to criticize Apple here should be the Fanboys like you.
Slashdot Mirror
The beast can adapt.
All your whining won't change that. Dishonest analogies won't either.
Cray is a supercomputer vendor. Entirely different animal.
A computer is not a toaster. It can't be. It's inherently programmable. That's what it's for. A computer is not an appliance, it's a toolbox.
That's not elitism. That's just the nature of the beast.
If your requirements don't change, then your hardware doesn't need to change. It doesn't matter if you are just surfing the web or doing video editing.
A new machine might make batch jobs finish faster. Whether or not that is important is disputable.
You are confusing ethics with enlightened self-interest.
They aren't the same thing.
Buy a Roku or AppleTV.
Non-problem solved.
Netflix has old stuff from the last generation.
The new stuff, not so much.
> Walk inside a public place these days. What do you see?
Mostly PCs. Even at the Starbucks next to the local Apple Store you will still see mostly PCs. This is where the conspicous consumers shop. Never mind anything more down market.
You haven't seen a sea of Apples on a HS campus since it was Apple II's.
The smug Linux user has likely taken steps to avoid running any random untrusted nonsense in a web browser.
Nope. You're the idiot.
Today all of our apps are network transparent.
Tomorrow they will all be recompiled for Wayland and not be network transparent anymore.
You idiots trying to re-invent the Mac should actually use one sometime.
And please, no pretending that X on Linux doesn't crash. It does, and this is the 4th time I've restarted this laptop today. Hanging hard with VirtualBox.
You're talking about an app that comes with it's own kernel modules. It's own kernel modules are probably what's causing the problem.
Although I've run vobx for months and months at a time myself with no trouble.
> It's a dead, dead, and dead feature
I seriously have to wonder if any of you people have jobs or if you're just unemployed and live in your mother's basement. If you had been in a Windows or Unix shop in the last 10 years you would have seen examples of both X and RDP.
If anything, the world is catching up to where Unix used to be. The demand for remote desktop functionality is actually INCREASING rather than decreasing.
Wayland apps are like Mac apps. They have no native remote desktop capability. You have to use a 3rd party hack like VNC to get such a feature.
I've seen how VNC runs on a Mac. Not impressed.
Running X on a Mac won't let me run iTunes across the network. The same is true of Windows.
Even if I were OK with the MacOS style approach to dealing with remote desktop requirements, I would still be faced with the problem of my hardware vendor not supporting Wayland. Until that happens, Wayland a complete non-starter.
That driver might not "use X" but I still benefit greatly from it.
It means that it's just a little more obvoius that the lawyers are lying scumbags. If you believe they are working for free, I have bridge to sell you.
> A home server that serves as a personal cloud does not meet that traditional definition of "Personal Computer"
Sure it would. It's under your personal control. A commie running a BBS is no less of a "personal computer" just because it's providing a service for other users. The same is true of a PC that's running a media server, or file shares, or a web server.
The problem with all of this propaganda is that it's still far more expense to build an ultra thin laptop. It's rediculously so. It's more expensive than less compact laptops. Never mind PCs.
So PCs still remain the cheap option.
Industry standard interchangeable parts BENEFITS manufacturing. The fact that it makes a device more user serviceable is just a happy side effect.
...and all of the other things that the PC can do or has that won't fit into an undersized laptop. More storage. Better CPU. More RAM. Better GPU. Expansion slots. Proper cooling.
By the time you are done buying all of those extra boxes for a silly Ultrabook, you are better off just buying a new PC and not bothering with the whole plugging into and unplugging from the dock.
A local cloud makes all of that nonsense moot.
You think you're trendy but you're still living in the past.
It doesn't. If someone is using a copy of Win7 Ultimate in the other room and I want to log into my own account, I have to knock them off in order to do so.
Windows might be able to do this if you pay Microsoft enough money. It's not going to be the sort of thing that your $50 copy of Windows can manage though.
I have a shitty $300 clone from 4 years ago that sits in the place that a new $700 Mac otherwise would. I can do this because it can accept a cheap video card upgrade.
I could put more RAM in it or even an SSD. It already has a slide out hot swap drive tray with a 1TB drive in it. This is not a terribly upgradeable machine but it beats the snot out of something built to be disposable.
I am not deluded. I am a counterexample.
> There are apps (cloud or device driven) for mobiles to make internet selling easy.
This is a pretty weak and lame remark.
Now if you said something like "my favorite mobile app for task X is A", then you would have said something worth wasting the infintesimal amout of resources your comment took up.
Lots of people make lots of wild vague claims with no details or anything else to back them up really. It's all just repeating someone else's propaganda in the end.
> Tablets and smartphones are revolutionizing our ability to do create content.
No they aren't. They are just making it more likely you will have some sort of recording device on hand. It may not even be a terribly good one.
If anything, Apple is helping preliferate cheap crap. Kind of funny really.
It's also "phones", not tablets. Phones cause the proliferation of cheap crappy cameras because people want to have a phone with them. Extra features tag along. Tablets are quite a bit more awkward in this regard. So your attempt to drag the iPad into this nonsense is really quite stupid.
> It couldn't possibly be that most content consumers are simply not interested in creating content?
That's funny because our overlords in Cupertino were telling us for years that everyone wants to be an artist with things like iLife and what not. I guess they decided it was time for a new gospel.
Artifacts of content creation still sell well. They don't seem to be going anywhere. They don't seem to be "obscure" or "geeky" either.
Grandmas have been creating content since before the first consumer computing device hit the mainstream. That genie's probably not going back in his bottle any time soon.
The P in PC stands for personal. That means that it's in your control. These new devices are basically following the old mainframe model and the corporate managed IT model. They aren't PCs. They're PCs trying to pretend to be appliances.
The best comparison is to a Tivo.
Whether or not a piece of kit has a keyboard or monitor is really the least relevant thing. If you've got root, it's a PC. If you don't have root, then it's not a PC.
No. It burns me that Apple has shit on it's previous legacy and turned itself into the new Microsoft. This isn't about envy. This is pure dissapointment.
It also burns me that a fanboy like you tolerates any of it instead of expecting better like a user of a "premium luxury brand" should.
The first people to criticize Apple here should be the Fanboys like you.