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DirecTV Drops Viacom Channels

An anonymous reader writes "DirecTV has dropped all of Viacom's channels. This includes channels such as MTV, Comedy Central, and Nickelodeon. The drop is reported to be over a carrier fee dispute. It appears programming content can magically disappear from satellite, too, and not just from streaming services. Viacom said it was 'because contract talks with DirecTV had “reached an impasse.” DirecTV, in turn, said in a statement that it had offered Viacom “increased fees for their networks going forward; we just can’t afford the extreme increases they are asking for.”' I guess pirating and physical media is the only way to make sure the content we pay for doesn't disappear."

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  1. Well there you go by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you want to see riots in America, this will do it.

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    1. Re:Well there you go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you want to see riots in America, this will do it.

      Not if you're with DirecTV.... Viacom's channels have exclusive rights to "Riots in America".

      Of course, if *all* the carriers refuse Viacom's fees, I guess you could say that the revolution will not be televised.

    2. Re:Well there you go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, now, it's just South Park and Spongebob; it's not like they're missing a handegg game.

    3. Re:Well there you go by dyingtolive · · Score: 0

      Sadly, as an American, I gotta agree with this.

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    4. Re:Well there you go by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2

      The revolution may or may not be televised depending on whether the carrier fee dispute is settled. News at 11.00. Maybe.

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    5. Re:Well there you go by garyebickford · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Point of history - I just read the history of 'Association Football'. Turns out originally there were several forms of 'football' played at different schools in England. Several of them got together to normalize the rules. The resulting ruleset, which was the original version of 'Association Football' and changed the ball shape to be round instead of egg-shaped, was considered too wussy for some. Some schools took their ball and went home, calling their version 'Rugby football'. Until those rules came out, 'footballs' were not round in any version of the game. And, of course, American and Australian football descended from Rugby football, which is undoubtedly closest to the original football games. So what most people in the world consider 'football' was the new 'odd' version. And the term 'soccer' was a contraction of sorts from 'Association Football'. All this happened in England (not yet called 'UK') before it became popular in other countries.

      Therefore, Rugby, American and Australian football have at least the same, if not more, justification for using the word football versus those other folks who play with a round ball that flies too easily and every time two players come within a foot of each other, one of them falls down crying.

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    6. Re:Well there you go by fatphil · · Score: 1

      The act of union in 1800 predates the running with the ball in Rugby school (according to the wikipedia article on rugby football).

      So "UK" predates "rugby football".

      And the ancient Greeks were playing with round balls. In fact, if you look at all the old drawings of people playing pre-association varieties of football, the ball is shown as being round rather than ovoid. Your "'footballs' were not round in any version of the game" is clearly unsupportable.

      Please try to make your "point[s] of history" more historically correct.

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    7. Re:Well there you go by thed8 · · Score: 1

      Great. You know who the real losers are? The 5 year old kids with autism who have set their pattern as eat breakfast, what NickJr to let my food settle, then go to school, etc. etc. Like one of my grandchildren. People don't understand what a challenge it is to children like this. It takes a lot of effort to manage changes in their lives. So now we have these two wonderfully rich corporations acting worse than the kids and not giving a tinker's about the real world.

    8. Re:Well there you go by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      and nothing of value was lost....

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    9. Re:Well there you go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A game played with your hands touching, throwing and holding balls should be called "football" ?
      Over and above a game where you are only allowed to use your feet?

      Rugby is never called "football" in Europe for a reason, mostly to do with feet

    10. Re:Well there you go by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      Hopefully the lesson learned here is not to rely on things that might go away.

      DRM services like PlaysForSure, television shows that can get canceled, game servers. Anything that provides a source of revenue will be updated, upgraded, replaced, and when it no longer serves the purposes, dumped.

      Buy the DVD sets of whatever was on at that time, set the TV to play at the appropriate time, and you have a substitute in place. But Viacom gets money from you directly this way, and probably more of it.

      There is always a workaround, but it's not always palatable. Google will one day not exist, but Android might. Red Hat might go away, but Linux probably won't. This is essentially the whole point RMS has been trying to beat into peoples' heads - if you don't have some ownership in it, don't trust it.

  2. I don't see much to miss by sanosuke001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aside from a few Comedy Central programs, I don't seem much here that I'd miss. MTV is full of BS "reality" TV and Nick is full of kids shows that are usually no Netfix if you need them and, being kids shows, they probably won't care if they're watching reruns (or notice). So, really, what does Viacom have that is worth paying increased fees anyway? It's not like South Park costs that much to produce (maybe FCC fees?).

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    1. Re:I don't see much to miss by alen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      my wife are cancelling cable next month after we realized that we're paying $165 a month for triple play and the cable part is mostly the same few kids cartoons that we DVR and watch multiple times and we can buy them on amazon for $10 PER SEASON and watch unlimited times

      dont underestimate the power of stupidity

    2. Re:I don't see much to miss by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the bigger thing I guess is that if you had subscribed to a satellite service, signed up for a channel package and then *boom* it's out?

      - another angle to look at this is that viacom viewed directv as a good robbery candidate since they had contractually obliged to deliver these channels to their clients? ("hey, they can't drop us, they already resold the service we're selling to them hahahah")

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    3. Re:I don't see much to miss by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      MTV is full of BS "reality" TV

      The sad part is that after decades of nothing, MTV finally has a show worth watching. I came across Awkward by accident while trying to find something to watch in between commercials and while not hooked, I do enjoy watching it.

      The characters are fairly standard though Ming with her rabbit cap (or whatever it is) getting involved with the asian group (she's an outside asian) is getting hilarious.

      No, you'll never learn what a Higgs Boson is from watching it, but it's a guilty pleasure to watch the show.

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    4. Re:I don't see much to miss by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Informative

      All the good parts of the Daily Show and spinoffs are available legally on the 'net anyway. So this wouldn't be a loss for me...

      but still I always hope that this sort of idiocy causes drops en masse. I wouldn't bet any money on that, however... it's just a hope that "consumers" might actually kick a corporation in the ass for being jackasses for once.

    5. Re:I don't see much to miss by KhabaLox · · Score: 2, Funny

      my wife are

      Mitt, is that you?

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    6. Re:I don't see much to miss by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Netflix streaming actually does have a fair bit of the kids crap. They do change it out pretty well, so it might be worth getting it for that.

    7. Re:I don't see much to miss by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Damned dude, I have a $35/month package with 120 channels including history channel/cnn/comedy central/disney channel (and many others) through Cox cable...

      It's the "triple play" part that jacks it up... well, that and "HD" & DVR.

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    8. Re:I don't see much to miss by demachina · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a considerable hypocrisy in DirectTV's CEO looping a video on the down channels complaining about how awful it is that Viacom is forcing them to take all the channels as one package.

      I would love it if DirectTV let me buy the few channels they have we still watch ala carte for a small fraction of what they are charging for their packages.

      As others have said, Viacom expecting another billion dollars for their especially pathetic channel line up is over the top. Once you get past The Daily Show, South Park and Colbert there is absolutely nothing Viacom is offering that is worth paying for. And since they are all loaded with ads, why do people even have to pay for them like they are premium channels.

      I would also greatly appreciate if their boxes were setup to kill all the annoying shopping and religious channels they are carrying with simple switches. You can setup a custom guide without them but since they constantly move their channels around it is annoying to maintain it. Of course I imagine the shopping channels are paying them to force their channels down the throats of their customers so. . .

      One of the great mysteries of life to me is why people watch shopping channels or buy the crap they sell keeping them in business. Consumerism has achieved its ultimate goal when people actually sit and watch channels that are nothing but ads. The pinnacle of this phenomenon is I recently saw a shopping channel purportedly selling houses in Florida. Pretty much the last thing anyone should be doing is buying real-estate sight unseen on a shopping channel using an auction that is guaranteed to be rigged.

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    9. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That one doesn't work when he can actually talk off the cuff, unlike, uh, um, the, uh, sitting, uh, um, President.

    10. Re:I don't see much to miss by matrim99 · · Score: 1
      Well it's a good thing that all of their subscribers have the exact same taste as you, then.

      Sometimes, things that don't affect us at all will affect others in a significant way.

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    11. Re:I don't see much to miss by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Or businesses would kick them in the ass, by saying "you want to charge me HOW much for advertising again?"

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    12. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      she so big he refer to her as plural. He likem phat like that. Either that or it's a split personality thing...

    13. Re:I don't see much to miss by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Nick is full of kids shows that are usually no Netfix if you need them and, being kids shows, they probably won't care if they're watching reruns (or notice).

      You don't have kids, do you?

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    14. Re:I don't see much to miss by bwintx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that Romney never uses a teleprompter. You betcha.

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    15. Re:I don't see much to miss by dmomo · · Score: 1

      So. If you're a DirectTV customer, this doesn't mean that you shouldn't demand DirectTV make up for the lower value of the the service you are paying for. They should either lower their rates since they are no longer paying Viacom or add value for you.

    16. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, they even have umizoomi and bubble guppies there... $2/episode though (I think I would save money by dropping directtv and just buying the episodes.

    17. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it is a package deal. (Sadly) - people love reality tv shows, such as the garbage that is now on MTV (shouldn't they change the name since there's not really music on there anymore?) - And their reason for increasing prices? Because people watch their programming (most likely Comedy Central in particular) - They know that DirecTV will lose IMMENSE amounts of business by not providing these channels to their customers, and so they can somewhat dictate the terms of the contract.

    18. Re:I don't see much to miss by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Mtv is nonexistant to me. Vh1 is nonexistant to me. Comedy Central is non-existant to me. Nick is nonexistant to me.

      I would skip that whole package if I could. Adult Swim on Cartoon Network, now that would piss me off.

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    19. Re:I don't see much to miss by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      All the good parts of the Daily Show and spinoffs are available legally on the 'net anyway. So this wouldn't be a loss for me...

      I don't watch the Daily Show (or anything else, since we don't have cable or any other pay TV service), but if there was a show I enjoy, I'm not sure I would find someone else's notion of the "good parts" satisfactory.

      If you enjoyed Game of Thrones, for example, how would you feel if I told you that from now on you're only going to get the "good parts" via YouTube?

      It wouldn't bother me if the cable TV/satellite TV industry destroyed itself tomorrow, but for people who like to watch something,, this move by DirecTV is a good example of why net neutrality laws are a good idea. I don't want AT&T to have the power to take away online content I enjoy.

      Remember, there are very powerful forces that want the Internet to adopt the cable TV model.

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    20. Re:I don't see much to miss by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Ya I watch a few of those channels. I know because for the last week or two I've been seeing a lot of those "Please call this number to keep this channel!" blurbs scrolling across the bottom, and this came from both DirecTV and Viacom, like competing political ads. At one point yesterday half the screen was taken up with these blurbs. It was a nasty fight. On the other hand I see the same blurbs about Dish TV also. Overall this fight seems to have ratcheted up quite high compared to disputes in the past, suspending the shows seems like the nuclear option.

      MTV is crap, that's ok. Comedy Central is neither comedy nor central, though sadly it's where Futurama is. But that's ok. Nick has some fun stuff now and then but I can live without it. BET is boring trash. Spike is utter trash. MTV doesn't show music anymore anyway. TV Land... Well, I like TV Land! Oh well...

      They really need to split up the channels anyway and not offer them only as blocks. Then we can pick and choose channels as consumers instead of having to pay money for crap shows that have Snooki in them.

    21. Re:I don't see much to miss by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...since they had contractually obliged to deliver these channels to their clients?

      You can bet there is a thirty-day change provision in the DirectTV contract that allows them to change the lineup with a month's notice. Just like cable.

      Speaking of that, Comcast/xfinity customers in my town have just gotten a letter telling them that C/x are dropping ALL analog services on Aug 14. They're really helpful in telling people that they'll need to add digital adapters to any analog TV, and even say that there will be no monthly service charge for those adapters. They list the standard desktop box, the DTA, and CableCard as possibilities.

      Then in the next paragraph they say there will be a $1.99 monthly service charge for any device that is added.

      I hope my state AG will discuss this with them. Probably won't.

      The same letter tells us, indirectly, that we are losing all the Portland network stations (being in the middle, we currently get Portland and Eugene markets.) And we're losing the PBS station that is IN THIS TOWN, and will be getting the one from Eugene instead.

      I love Comcast.

    22. Re:I don't see much to miss by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Yeah.....I've been catching up on my superhero cartoons.....

      Super Hero Squad was kind interesting. Surprised it only lasted two seasons (granted, I'm only about halfway done with season 1). But then a lot of the cartoons make it two seasons and then nothing (Marvel Action Hour, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, etc.).

    23. Re:I don't see much to miss by gtbritishskull · · Score: 2

      Actually, all full episodes of The Daily Show and Colbert Report were available and on Hulu. But, I just saw a story (published less than an hour ago) that said Viacom was suspending putting full episodes online due to this DirectTV thing. Very disappointed about that. Hopefully it will not last.

    24. Re:I don't see much to miss by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

      I have young cousins that watch the same DVDs OVER AND OVER ad nauseum. There's enough on Netflix to keep them occupied, regardless.

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    25. Re:I don't see much to miss by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      And since they are all loaded with ads, why do people even have to pay for them like they are premium channels.

      People don't have to pay for them as premium channels, at least not on any cable system I've gotten. MTV, COM, VH1 are the ones I am talking about, of course. The '2's are in advanced tiers.

      Viacom charges the cable and dish providers for them because they can.

      Of course I imagine the shopping channels are paying them to force their channels down the throats of their customers so. . .

      Cable carriers used to get a cut from the sales. I don't know if that's true still. But nobody is forcing those channels down your throat. Just don't watch them. Problem solved.

      What's a more annoying problem is what the morons at Comcast/xfinity are doing now, which is programming the DTA (dumb digital adapter) to be able to tune to channels you aren't subscribed to (displaying a "XXX isn't currently in your programming package. Call 1800COMCAST for info" message), and the useless music channels. So now, instead of being able to surf from one channel to the next easily, there are a full 70 channels of "no you may not" in between the top viewable channel and rolling over to the lowest. Scum.

    26. Re:I don't see much to miss by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      "$165 a month"

      Dude - you can't possibly watch $165 worth of television in a month. There just isn't that much time in the month.

      If I were hurt tomorrow, and was to be laid up in bed, and the television played 24/7 - the whole month wouldn't be worth five bucks.

      Give me my internet, and you can keep every channel, every program, every reality show, and every run-of-the-mouth host.

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    27. Re:I don't see much to miss by jxander · · Score: 1

      The sort-of did change the name a while ago, by removing the periods. It's no longer M.T.V. as an initialism for "Music Television," but rather just 3 letters, with no greater purpose.

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    28. Re:I don't see much to miss by Applekid · · Score: 1

      I would love it if DirectTV let me buy the few channels they have we still watch ala carte for a small fraction of what they are charging for their packages.

      They can't do it because the content providers won't do it. Cable TV's promise in the early days, of which Satellite TV is a mere extension (the business of running a satellite TV provider is the same, it's the physical data that's delivered in a different way), was that there would be no commercials and that channels would be niche. You'd have your cooking channel and your shopping channel and your news channel and so on.

      But now, cable channels are also dripping with commercials. Commercials have ad revenue for the content providers, and thus are more valuable based on the number of eyeballs that are currently watching and the number of eyeballs that could potentially watch. So the program with an 0.4 share on basic cable can earn more in ad revenue than a program with a same 0.4 share if the first channel is provided to more households. Knowing this, huge content conglomerates (Viacom, ABC/Disney, DCI) leverage getting additional channels shoveled in. You want to carry Discovery because your subscribers expect it? Well, unless you agree to also carry TLC, Animal Planet, Science, Investigation Discovery, Oprah Winfrey Network, Destination America, Military Channel, Discovery Fit & Health, Velocity at various subscription levels, you can't have it. There are different targets for each, which is why sometimes you'll have a subset in Basic cable lineups and the rest in Extended cable lineups. These are part of the negotiations in addition to raw cost per channel.

      The result of this is that you can't give end customers a la carte because the contracts don't allow you to just get the good stuff, because they make money on having you being able to get the bad stuff, too. It would be a bit of an overreach for the FCC to step in and dictate what terms can and cannot be allowed in content provider contracts.

      Interestingly, I remember about 20 years ago Nintendo got in trouble for trying to pull this off in stores. They would refuse to distribute high-demand Super Nintendo games to retailers unless they also stocked less popular Game Boy games. This helped Nintendo inflate their shipping numbers for weak brands not at the expense of the strong brands, but thanks TO the strong brands. This was back when Game Boy was facing stiff competition from Sega and Atari's alternatives. In addition to these tactics and flat-out price fixing, Nintendo eventually settled and gave out a bunch of coupons as a result. This was fixed because it was the FTC that got involved.

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    29. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Romney Badger is one of the most feared creatures on the planet... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arD0bwTzFDM

    30. Re:I don't see much to miss by demachina · · Score: 1

      "People don't have to pay for them as premium channels"

      People have to pay for them because they are being charged for them as part of the packages they are being sold. If Viacom succeeds in getting their extra billion a week later our fees will go up another $5 dollars a month. Comprendo.

      "But nobody is forcing those channels down your throat"

      They are forced down your throat because they are interspersed with the content channels and as I said you have to setup a custom guide to not have to look at them everytime you bring up the guide. They could segregate them all in one area of the guide but they don't because they want to force people to see them. They are like little mini ads embedded in the guide.

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    31. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiots making assholes of themselves for the empty amusement of mass consumers, and thrown into the gutter as soon as they stop being cute; what better represents the music industry?

    32. Re:I don't see much to miss by nabsltd · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a considerable hypocrisy in DirectTV's CEO looping a video on the down channels complaining about how awful it is that Viacom is forcing them to take all the channels as one package.

      I would love it if DirectTV let me buy the few channels they have we still watch ala carte for a small fraction of what they are charging for their packages.

      There's no hypocrisy at all here. The reason DirecTV won't let you pick individual channels is because their contacts with the channel owners won't let them.

      Companies like Viacom know that in order to allow providers like DirecTV to sell a la carte, they would have to price individual channels realistically, and they would get a lot less uptake, and thus advertising dollars (which are based on both actual and possible viewers) would go down. The affected channel list shows just how badly Viacom would lose possible viewers based on a la carte. Of the 17 channels, only about 4 could be considered "general viewership": 1 is gay/lesbian interest, 2 are aimed at African Americans, 4 primarily at children, 6 are music channels (well, maybe not MTV) with several aimed at specific types (Hispanic, country, etc.) of music.

    33. Re:I don't see much to miss by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Adult Swim on Cartoon Network, now that would piss me off.

      Only reason I have cable. I'm just waiting for them to open streaming as a paid service and/or enough money to start buying discs from them. Then I can "cut the cord".

    34. Re:I don't see much to miss by demachina · · Score: 1

      Im fine with them forcing bundled channels with commercials in to the lineup for free. Not OK with them charging a few billion for their packages which translate in to ever higher monthly subscription fees AND ruining the programs with commercials.

      On ABCF for example they run Harry Potter movies fairly often. Many of these movies are up to 4 or 4 1/2 hour runtimes. They are running shows with 50% commercials now. They are completely unwatchable and they wonder why people are using DVR's and switching to Netflix.

      Its just a totally dead business model. Everyone needs to have real broadband and just pull the plug on the networks, cable and satellite companies. Of course the jury is still out on whether you can sustain expensive premium content on whatever model follows or if we are doomed to a future of reality TV and sports because they are cheap to produce.

      I kind of wish the Kickstarter model would work so people can sustain the Firefly's and first gen Futurama where networks won't.

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    35. Re:I don't see much to miss by Scragglykat · · Score: 1

      We dropped the phone service right away... that's a waste anymore if you already have a cellphone with Bluetooth capability. Get a home phone system from Panasonic or GE or whatever with Bluetooth linking and use that. Then you are down $40 right away. That's the $25 for the phone + $15 for taxes and fees on the phone service, you know.. the stuff they don't mention in the commercials. Next, if you don't have to have HD, drop to the lowest TV package, or if you can get what you need online, drop TV altogether. That's what we did. You can get local OTA or from their websites, and channels like TBS and TNT will show their main shows on their sites. Really does make a difference in your free time too. You don't just plop on the couch when you get home because the big one eye's slave master isn't calling you to veg out.

    36. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more iCarly? There will be bloooooooooooooooooooooooood!

    37. Re:I don't see much to miss by David_W · · Score: 1

      They are like little mini ads embedded in the guide.

      That's doubly amusing when you consider there ARE mini-ads embedded in the guide...

    38. Re:I don't see much to miss by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Netflix has old stuff from the last generation.

      The new stuff, not so much.

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    39. Re:I don't see much to miss by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Little kids don't know the difference.

      Disney's snow white is still popular with that crowd. Little kid movies basically never need to be made again, everyone can watch the same ones as their parents. Since the phase is so short their is no need for lots of video.

    40. Re:I don't see much to miss by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      "$165 a month"

      Dude - you can't possibly watch $165 worth of television in a month. There just isn't that much time in the month.

      If I were hurt tomorrow, and was to be laid up in bed, and the television played 24/7 - the whole month wouldn't be worth five bucks.

      Give me my internet, and you can keep every channel, every program, every reality show, and every run-of-the-mouth host.

      $165 for TRIPLE PLAY; that's Cable, phone and internet.

    41. Re:I don't see much to miss by cubby96 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Awkward is a guilty pleasure, but not too guilty. It is scripted (and fairly well, for a teen dramedy). The Sadie character is particularly well crafted - I particularly enjoyed her weight struggle in the first few episodes and Sadie later blaming her mother for marrying a man with fat genes.

    42. Re:I don't see much to miss by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      People have to pay for them because they are being charged for them as part of the packages they are being sold.

      That's not "as premium channels".

      They are forced down your throat because they are interspersed with the content channels and as I said you have to setup a custom guide to not have to look at them everytime you bring up the guide.

      The guide shows you the channels that are available, not the channels you have to watch. Don't watch them.

      They could segregate them all in one area of the guide but they don't because they want to force people to see them.

      By that argument, the cable or dish provider is forcing all kinds of channels that you cannot watch down your throat, too. But they really aren't forcing the channels down your throat, they're simply showing you the channels in the guide. You don't see the channel; the sales pitches don't enter your eyes unless YOU choose to tune to that channel.

      Yes, it is a stupid marketing trick to show people listings of channels they don't get so they can say "gee, I really would like TCM, I think I'll order it...", but that's not forcing TCM down anyone's throat. You don't see it or buy it unless you want to.

    43. Re:I don't see much to miss by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      They're making all the Encore channels available to all subscribers to compensate.

    44. Re:I don't see much to miss by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      But if you're watching online, you HAVE to see (or wait through) the commercials.

      I 30 second skip past them, and watch whatever I already Tivoed.

    45. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is considerably better, but still a lot of money for many of us.

      I tried cutting the cord, but it turns out it's harder than I'd thought it would be. Killing the cable part of your plan usually causes your internet service to go up, and they're all doing usage caps now.

      For a while, Netflix, Amazon Prime (the free and paid content), Hulu and someone else's credentials for HBO GO did the trick. But you do start to miss some shows. In my case, much of the AMC content like Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Walking Dead, etc.

      Some of those titles do eventually make it to the services I mentioned, but at best it's $4/show to watch it the following day. At worst you have to wait a year or three for it to hit Netflix.

      They're certainly doing everything they can to make sure we don't ditch cable... which is 90% worthless.

    46. Re:I don't see much to miss by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      And what makes anyone think rates would significantly change if it went ala-carte??? I would be surprised if most people don't watch more than a few channels. If most only want 10 channels, then the cost for 10 channels will be the same as it is for 200 now. Except they will need a new receiver with the ability to block channels they don't want since the satellites don't do the blocking.

      Ala-carte cable down to the station level will not result in significantly lower rates, since people won't change their viewing habits much. Or .. it might result in popular channels costing more because the demand his higher, meaning those that are mainstream might actually see an increase. Or it might result in less popular channels costing more to justify keeping them.

      The end result is DirectTV has to pay transmission facilities which really aren't based on how many people are watching and what channels, it's based on how many and the quality of the channels. DirectTV pays for rebroadcast rights based on the number of subscribers, so not only does DirectTV have to change their pricing model, so would ViaCom and every other provider. At least for those items that are to be ala-carte.

      I do think ala-carte is a good idea, just not at the channel level. What if DirectTV provides ala-carte at the provider level like they do now for HBO and the other premium channels?? In other words, provide the ala-carte choices closer to what the contractual providers are. Now, when ViaCom and DirectTV can't come to an agreement, the charge for ViaCom comes off my bill. I'd support that level of choice.

      Change DirectTV to a model similar to the electric bill. A flat fee just for having the wire connected, and maybe a few very basic choices. Then give me each provider, or maybe even multiple options within providers.

      But I doubt if it would make too much of an impact on the bill. If adding HBO only costs $15/month, I can't imagine dropping the crap Viacom provides would be worth more than a couple of bucks.

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    47. Re:I don't see much to miss by Fjandr · · Score: 2

      I would love it if DirectTV let me buy the few channels they have we still watch ala carte for a small fraction of what they are charging for their packages.

      They'd go out of business, because all the networks that produce those channels will not license them to DirecTV (or anyone else) in anything but a complete package deal.

      So, if DirecTV (or anyone else) actually offered an a la carte service that was proportionally priced, they'd still have to eat the cost of all those worthless networks that nobody wants access to.

      The lack of a la carte programming is 100% the fault of content producers like Viacom. If delivery services all stood up and refused to license content the way it currently is, they'd more than likely be charged with collusion or some such by the DOJ. This isn't to say video providers would start offering a la carte if they were financially capable of doing so; that's something we'd only find out once producers stopped tying their crap to the products people are actually willing to pay for.

    48. Re:I don't see much to miss by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      I live in central Massachusetts, about an hour drive from Boston and 1/2 hour from Providence. Using a $40 amplified digital antenna from Walmart I get most of the Boston channels and most of the Providence channels, including two spanish channels, a home shopping channel, and some other stuff I forget - a total of about 15 channels - or I did until I got tired of watching crap and never re-installed the setup when I moved. Having recently watched cable in a hotel, I have re-confirmed that watching TV via cable, antenna or whatnot is a huge waste of time - it's all crap, and irritating to boot. But that setup might work great for you - IIRC the Willamette Valley is pretty flat going north-south so little in the way of hills to block the signal, and the distances are equivalent. It actually worked pretty well.

      Now I just have cable internet, and I have a cable phone but I've never plugged a phone into it. They gave me free installation and a discount to include phone. If I get an alarm system the cable phone would be useful.

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    49. Re:I don't see much to miss by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      That's odd. I would think that it would be more beneficial for Viacom to expand their online presence, with advertising of course. But I never watch either of those so makes no diff to me.

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    50. Re:I don't see much to miss by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      One of the great mysteries of life to me is why people watch shopping channels or buy the crap they sell keeping them in business. Consumerism has achieved its ultimate goal when people actually sit and watch channels that are nothing but ads. The pinnacle of this phenomenon is I recently saw a shopping channel purportedly selling houses in Florida. Pretty much the last thing anyone should be doing is buying real-estate sight unseen on a shopping channel using an auction that is guaranteed to be rigged.

      At least they are not advertising Nigerian bank deposits! :P (yet.)

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    51. Re:I don't see much to miss by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Well, we did cut the cord ($150 for basic cable, internet and phone service). My SO was also complaining about these shows and if we had cable we would have it on DVR or on Instant Replay. Then we went to her parents house and apparently none of the good shows she wanted to watch are on Instant Replay and the DVR won't allow you to watch them because the TV is not HDCP approved.

      So you PAY for HBO and you still have to be there to watch the shows? I got them over Torrent though.

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    52. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it funny that you think DirectTV has any choice in the matter as to providing Ala Carte. The providers to not allow for ala carte pricing, you either buy all of our channels or none of them, and they ofter require certain channels to be made available to all subscribers - which means no ala carte pricing is allowed.

    53. Re:I don't see much to miss by The+Snowman · · Score: 1

      Next, if you don't have to have HD, drop to the lowest TV package, or if you can get what you need online, drop TV altogether.

      My wife and I have the lowest TV package, basically the local channels only and it has HD. Comes in better than OTA broadcasts (and I have a good HD antenna), and it's only a few dollars. I don't watch much TV but my wife does, and she's slowly discovering that the Internet has ways to watch shows without the FBI knocking on the door. So there goes any desire to "upgrade" to 100 channels we won't watch for the "low" price of another $80.

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    54. Re:I don't see much to miss by markjhood2003 · · Score: 1

      One of DirecTV's complaints about Viacom is that they're paying too much for feeds of shows like Colbert Report that Viacom gives away for free. And so Viacom is now able to tell DirecTV that they no longer provide such content for free.

    55. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the fact that The Daily Show, South Park, and Colbert, can all be watched for free via the internet.

    56. Re:I don't see much to miss by demachina · · Score: 1

      DirectTV's boxes can already block by channel.

      To be honest if cable and satellite don't switch to a model close to Netflix and Hulu they are probably doomed.

      TV needs to be ala carte paying either by the channel or the show with no commercials. Huge blocks of time on basic cable are nothing but informercials and assorted other garbage now. There is almost nothing on to watch late night or early morning any more. TV advertising is even less effective than Internet advertising and everyone knows it. It is just getting progressively worse with DVR uptake. ABCF running Harry Potter movies that run 4 1/2 hours with 50% commercials is a completely dysfunctional business model.

      If people only watch what they pay for and pay for what they watch it will ruthlessly kill all the total crap being aired. People will also spend less time being vegetables and watching stuff just because its on.

      There are already a number of articles floating around from people who have raised there kids solely on commercial free Netflix and Hulu and they absolutely wont watch TV with commercials in it.

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    57. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Once you get past The Daily Show, South Park and Colbert"

      You forgot Futurama.

    58. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a Mormon joke, you partisan dolt.

    59. Re:I don't see much to miss by morari · · Score: 1

      You'd be missing out on all of Rupaul's shows by not having the Logo channel. :(

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    60. Re:I don't see much to miss by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      It's time to realize that the cable/satellite feeds that we get mostly contains junk and that we pay for it too. Not much is worth watching these days. I did cancel my cable and the only thing I miss from time to time is Discovery Channel.

      At least where I live there are a few free channels, even on satellite. Astra 28E is a good one.

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    61. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Viacom's Advertiser's must be sore! Yep , no viewers, and they have paid in hard economic times.

      I'm with DTV, 30% in this economic climate is madness when bonds are getting ONE percent.
      In a marketing masters textbook, I reads you were screwed when pricing was 10% or more over. I expect back pedaling fast.

    62. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a considerable hypocrisy in DirectTV's CEO looping a video on the down channels complaining about how awful it is that Viacom is forcing them to take all the channels as one package.

      I watched "The Daily Show" online at comedycentral.com and before the show and ever commercial break was a big banner you had to click throught. It was telling people to call Directv and complain because Directv was taking away their channels. They even provided the number to call. Both sides are playing the blame game. Doesn't make any difference to me. My life will go on without either of them.

    63. Re:I don't see much to miss by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      And since they are all loaded with ads, why do people even have to pay for them like they are premium channels

      Probably for the same reason you pay for newspapers and magazines that are all loaded with ads.

    64. Re:I don't see much to miss by sjames · · Score: 1

      You mis-understood. He is saying that Viacom is contractually prohibiting them from offering you those channels ala carte.

    65. Re:I don't see much to miss by overlordofmu · · Score: 1

      Now is that the actually price or the temporary promotional price?

    66. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      digital antenna

      Wow, a digital antenna! Does it have the HDs?

    67. Re:I don't see much to miss by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      There are other things for kids other than TV. One of my wife's friends has kids who are about the same age as mine and the tv at their house is on all day. Their kids want all the various toys they see and are annoying as hell if they TV isn't on as that is what they do. Granted my oldest (almost 4) does watch some TV but is is streamed over netflix and he loves shows with big machines and he is limited to 1 show a day. He ends up watching things like Extreme Engineering, or Mighty Machines as they fit the bill and aren't complete brain melt. He doesn't get any of the commercials and at most ends up watching 45 minutes of TV a day. Personally if I am around they don't watch any and I just go do stuff. This weekend I am planning on taking the oldest up to the iron range so he can see giant machines in action, we may even make a side trip to Duluth to go see the big lakers and salties in the harbor. Next year I will be taking both kids up there are the youngest will be old enough were he would get a kick out of the big equipment as well. We regularly go and do stuff as a family as it is a better use of our time that vegging out in front of a screen. Last weekend the youngest (1 year old) watched his brother and I bake a bunch pies from scratch (really how are we going to consume 20 pounds of berries my wife picked with the kids earlier in the week) to freeze. A few weeks previous my 4 year old and I spent a day making a bunch of ravioli (about 10 pounds). We have also frequently have done model rockets, been to the lock and damn, been to farms, gone to the zoo, gone to state parks, worked on the garden, work on vehicles, build stuff from Legos/Duplos, gone to threshing shows, gone to museums, etc.

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    68. Re:I don't see much to miss by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      That wooshing sound is the point going over your head.

      The point is not whether you like cable or not, or what you think of programming, or how great your antenna systems works. Or that you can predict how well it will work here, because on that point you are dead wrong. I get the PBS signal over the air. That's it. Everything else is wiped out by multipath from the local mountain.

      Why is it that in every discussion about cable or television, there are people who jump in and start bragging about how they don't watch it and think it's all crap, as if that somehow adds to the discussion of the real topic? So what if you don't like it? That's nice, but how does that impact any discussion about Viacom and DirectTV and legal/contractual/ethical issues of what they are doing?

      The point is that Comcast is telling me with one face that there will be no service charge for additional digital equipment they are offering me, and with the other that there will be a $1.99 a month charge. And both in the same letter.

      The second point is that they are ignoring must-carry laws and switching us to a distant PBS station instead of the one that is so close that even multipath can't keep me from picking it up OTA.

    69. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Directv has a long way to go to blame Viacom for price increases as their business model stinks......do not own boxes which you have paid for....monthly charge per box....extra charges for some HD channels....no CSPAN-3.....how about that black kettle calling it's self picked on in the public arena.

      It's a real leadership weakness when you are unable as a company to make decisions that benefit your customer base rather than satisfy them with service!

    70. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point I was making was that, despite multipath and other dynamics (a variety of hills, longer distances, etc.), I used to get pretty good reception via an amplified digital antenna when I had it set up. In my case at the time I was living at the bottom of a hill that should have blocked everything from Providence area. So YMMV but it might work for you. I grew up in the Willamette Valley so I'm familiar with the territory.

      And it's free (except for the the time-cost of ads).

      AC 'cause I'm too lazy to log back in again.

    71. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to poke fun at him just because he accidentally said wife instead of wives.

    72. Re:I don't see much to miss by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      At that age, I just gave my daughter a sharp folding knife and showed her how to play mublety-peg. I figured it was better to find out early if she was a survivor so I wouldn't waste a lot of time.

      At 13 she started studying Iado (Japanese sword form) and at 16 she went to Japan to compete. Looking back it probably wasn't really according to Dr Spock, but I caught a break and got a good one. She just started grad school in biomathematics. Fortunately, she seems to have gotten an extra helping of her mom's excellent genes instead of the mess that is me. The only things I seem to have contributed are a twisted sense of humor, a love of martial arts and a dirty mouth. My friends just assume that back in 1990 we had a good-looking milkman.

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    73. Re:I don't see much to miss by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Well a few weeks ago the 4 year old learned how to use a chainsaw and understands how to use a sledge hammer, splitting wedge, and maul. Granted when he tries to use the sledge or maul he is so choked up on it he might as well just drop the head onto the wedge or log, but he does try. He also understands firearms and how to properly handle them and in a couple of years when he can actually hold one correctly (he is just too short now to do it correctly) I plan on teaching him how to shoot. He has already seen me dispatch various yard pests like the red squirrels and rabbits with the air rifle and has seen me skin and butcher the rabbit for stew. Of late he as been curious of which animals are good to eat and keeps asking why I don't clean the squirrels like I do the rabbits.

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    74. Re:I don't see much to miss by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Of late he as been curious of which animals are good to eat and keeps asking why I don't clean the squirrels like I do the rabbits.

      You'll have to excuse me. I'm a city boy. Why don't you clean the squirrels like you clean the rabbits? Are rabbits tastier? I just assumed squirrels wouldn't be good to eat because there's not much meat on them (though I've seen some fat squirrels). But then, there are some pretty small game birds who are prized for food.

      Regarding the firearms, I didn't even let my daughter know I owned firearms until she was 10. My wife, who had grown up in a war-torn part of Eastern Europe, had seen enough of guns and wanted to wait before exposing the kid. When she was twelve, I did the safety training as my dad had done me and took her plinking.

      I have no idea if I made the right choices, but the kid turned out better than I'd dared to hope, so I'm just going to go ahead and take the credit for an assist.

      Nice talking to you, Bob.

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    75. Re:I don't see much to miss by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I grew up in the cities but at heart am a country boy spending my summers out on one of my aunt and uncles farm and going hunting with my uncle, cousins, and grandfather. I live in an outer ring suburb and it is a 10 minute drive to an area where I can go pheasant, duck, or goose hunting. When it comes to squirrels vs rabbits rabbits are much tastier as squirrels are about the most gamey, toughest things I have ever eaten. Also the red squirrels are really small by comparison to the grey ones. I only shoot the red ones as they are destructive little ass holes that will get into the siding and insulation in the house and cause major damage. Game birds usually are much less gamey than squirrels as they eat seeds that aren't much different than the grains we eat and have are large area of meat that is the breast, while on squirrels the hind legs are the only place where there is any substantial meat and even that isn't much. Even something like a mourning dove provides more and better quality meat than a large grey squirrel does.

      When it comes to firearms I can understand your wife's position but I chose the remove the curiosity route. I do plan on putting my sons through the official firearms safety program and doing it myself even though I am old enough to not need it. On the off chance they get into the safe I don't want them to think my shotgun, air rifle, or regular rifles (I have 2 depending on where and what I am hunting) is a toy. Granted the chances are slim of that happening but I want them to show the proper respect and proper handling of them. At the same time I don't want them to have the irrational fear of them that I see so many people having that almost borders on believing that they have a mind of their own. I don't believe in the toy guns as it does seem to cheapen the respect that is due real ones and some of his friends at preschool like to "play" guns so the curiosity is already there. I would rather them see firearms as a tool to be used than as a device to meter out violence against another person.

      It sounds like you did a reasonable job raising your child as she sounds like a productive member of society here is hoping I can do the same. One thing that surprises me is how people will come up at restaurants and say how well behaved my kids are and I am shocked as it seem like there is nothing special about their behavior. I hope that this is a sign I am doing a good job but time will tell.

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    76. Re:I don't see much to miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you're in the mid-valley. Down here in Eugene, I remember a time when we could get OPB either from Corvallis or Eugene. Ah the old days of watching less than optimal picture quality television.

  3. they are all evil by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    we go through this every year or so

    Content owner wants more money and demands rate increase
    TV service operator says no
    content owner pulls channels
    viewers scream bloody murder and rape and demand tv operator pony up a few $$$ of their limitless magical bank account
    tv operator blinks first then raises rates
    viewers complain but don't do anything
    repeat in a few years

    the content owners know people are dumb and live by the monthly payment and will blame their cable or satellite company. they sell their channels in bundles and raise the rates every few years. people continue to pay the higher rates because they are too stupid to do anything else other than look at rectangle with moving pictures

    1. Re:they are all evil by berashith · · Score: 1

      I think that AMC and TCM are causing a stink with dish network right now also... so anyone who wants to watch walking dead is threatening to leave. Bonus to the content providers to time this together. The bundling really has to stop. I only want a la carte pricing anymore.

    2. Re:they are all evil by Thorodin · · Score: 1

      Yup. And I got off of that merry-go-round a long time ago. Now, when I stay in a hotel and see what's on, I'm glad I did.

    3. Re:they are all evil by alen · · Score: 2

      isn't TCM part of time warner?

      you want a la carte? pay itunes or amazon. don't expect it from cable. not going to happen

    4. Re:they are all evil by billcopc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference here is that Viacom does not own DirecTV. These so-called content owners pull the same bundling bullshit on distributors, which is another reason why unbundling should be mandated by law. Why should DirecTV have to carry (and pay for) a pile of shitty channels, just to get the one their customers actually want ?

      Yes, consumers are ignorant and too lazy to stick to their guns, but the problem doesn't magically stop at the distributor's head-end. It's a dirty industry from top to bottom.

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    5. Re:they are all evil by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      we're probably close to the peak if we haven't passed it yet

      i've noticed a lot more people i know don't watch TV much anymore and like to read, go outside and do other things that were considered geeky and dumb when i was a kid.

    6. Re:they are all evil by Jaysyn · · Score: 2

      You do have to love how the distributors bitch that the content producers bundle channels & then go and do the exact same thing to the subscribers.

      Me? I don't care, I dropped cable years & years ago when I realized the quality was steadily decreasing while the prices did the opposite. Anything I really want to see I can get on DVD or watch for free online.

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    7. Re:they are all evil by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and my mom told me Time-Warner & ABC are having a pissing match (my words, not hers). You can't win, no matter which provider you have.

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    8. Re:they are all evil by alen · · Score: 1

      they have to do it by contract in a lot of cases. for instance Disney says that ESPN has to be in the basic tier and everyone has to pay for it. of course ESPN recently signed an almost $20 billion deal with baseball or a combo of sports to broadcast games and access to a lot of coverage so they have to pay for it. the deal lasts until 2017 or so.

      its like catalog music sales from decades ago. the RIAA companies made most of their profits selling the same music in a new format or in greatest hits collections. except in TV you make money selling the same content on 20 different channels showing the same reruns or old movies

    9. Re:they are all evil by ticker47 · · Score: 2

      While a la carte would be nice, a lot of the channels bundled together would fail to grab enough viewers to make them economically feasible. You know that very few people will actually watch all 26 of those channels that Viacom has. Instead they'll opt to watch a two or three. Remove the bundling and all of the sudden the provider doesn't make enough money to keep airing all of those channels. A few might still make it, but a large portion of those channels would just cease to exist. When you lose channels, you lose variety and eventually you end up paying the same amount of money or more for a small subset of the channels you can get now with bundling.

    10. Re:they are all evil by ooshna · · Score: 1

      You do have to love how the distributors bitch that the content producers bundle channels & then go and do the exact same thing to the subscribers.

      You do realize that is because distributors are forced to pay for those other channels whether or not you would choose some or all of them? Whether you would pick 5 of Viacom's channels or all 25 DirecTv would have to pay the same price. So if they did start offering a pay per channel service the prices per channel would have to be high to cover there losses.

    11. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I will welcome once cable companies introduce a la carte. It is going to be only defense against the content companies. Viacom wants double for their channels? Sure, we move you to a Viacom tier, where you get 1/3 the subscribers and only make less money overall.

      Viacom tier doubles in price next year? Sorry, viacom thinks their channels are worth more, or markup is the same. Complain to viacom is you don't like it. Bundling hides pricing so much, that unbundling will eventually make the consumer choose what to pay for rather then this game of chicken between content and cable companies.

    12. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I really don't care about that, and I think neither would my parents.
      Having 10 or 20 channels instead of 200 would be an improvement even if we paid the same, just because it's easier to find what I want to watch.
      If I had cable, or satalite and watched tv I would have only the following channels:
      BBC, Discovery, maybe HBO, or WB or something, and FOX.
      My dad would probably throw in CNN, fox news and bloomberg in there as well.

    13. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Bundling is a Tax to support niche channels. Unbundling should make it cheaper for the masses and more expensive for people who want those niche channels.

    14. Re:they are all evil by tepples · · Score: 1

      you want a la carte? pay itunes or amazon. don't expect it from cable.

      So I guess people who want a la carte but also want political commentary or live sports are an edge case not worth serving, correct?

    15. Re:they are all evil by Tridus · · Score: 2

      People who want live sports are pretty likely to shut up and pay for whatever bundle-o-crap that the providers are selling.

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    16. Re:they are all evil by Tridus · · Score: 1

      Considering how many of the channels around right now are just a small handful of shows repeated ad nauseum, I fail to see why this is a bad thing.

      There isn't limitless money for content. Spreading it around more channels just makes everything have to be cheaper.

      See, the Storage Wars Channel (formerly known as A&E).

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    17. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that larping is finally cool?

    18. Re:they are all evil by fotoflojoe · · Score: 1

      See, the Storage Wars Channel (formerly known as A&E).

      Oh, when did they change their name from the Intervention Channel?

    19. Re:they are all evil by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Except that alacarte doesn't go to my TV. Technophiles with the houses all wired and unlimited broadband may love on demand but it doesn't work for most people.

    20. Re:they are all evil by Stiletto · · Score: 1

      If I had cable, or satalite and watched tv I would have only the following channels:
      BBC, Discovery, maybe HBO, or WB or something, and FOX.

      The point is: Maybe you wouldn't have them. Would enough enough people buy Discovery to make it worthwhile to offer it? Currently, people who like watching Jersey Shore are subsidizing the few Discovery channel watchers.

    21. Re:they are all evil by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

      Mod Parent up +1 insighful

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    22. Re:they are all evil by toejam13 · · Score: 1

      I don't care, I dropped cable years & years ago when I realized the quality was steadily decreasing while the prices did the opposite. Anything I really want to see I can get on DVD or watch for free online.

      I did the same. There was a steady decrease in program quality in addition to some manipulation of where programs aired.

      As for a couple of examples... programs that used to be on Discovery (basic package) ended up on Discovery Science (extended + specialty package). A World Cup match that may have been on ESPN (basic) ended up on ESPN4 (extended + sports package). Everything on the core basic channels ended up devolving to tripe.

      Another issue is with the length and frequency of commercials. Both kept going up and up. You'd completely lose the flow of the show after 4 minutes of commercials. Rinse and repeat 7 minutes later when they show another bloc. And you'd get those stupid promos for other shows that took the entire bottom quarter of the screen during the show. It was noticeably worse than with the major broadcast networks (with the exception of ION).

      Lastly, check the channel guide before 9AM on a weekday or noon on a weekend. More than anything else, you'll see the words "paid programming". It was getting ridiculous to see the same commercial being aired simultaneously on three or four channels.

      The straw that broke the camel's back was when DirecTV migrated from H.262 to H.264. You used to be able to purchase your receiver and it was yours free and clear. But several months after releasing the new H.264 receivers, they changed their policy so that was no longer the case. If you paid $200 for a receiver and decided to cancel service after a year or three, you had to turn your receiver back in. You were not offered a credit.

      Today, I get my programming from over-the-air digital TV, Hulu, Netflix and several plug-ins for XBMC. I'd never go back to cable or mini-sat television.

    23. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent down -1 circlejerk.

    24. Re:they are all evil by jxander · · Score: 2

      Good. No, great! If a channel can't muster a lineup of shows that garners enough of a following to justify its own existence, let it die.

      I think you'll find a much higher quality of programming when people have direct control over what gets their support and what doesn't. I could easily pick 20 channels out of the 1000+ currently offered as part of the basic Cox package and never miss a beat. I'd even make this sweet deal: I'll pay 25-30% of the current price for 2% of the current content.

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    25. Re:they are all evil by gtbritishskull · · Score: 1

      The big companies are never going to offer a la carte. But, I think you will start to see internet "channels" (see how netflix, youtube, and hulu are trying to have original content). And, those most likely will be a la carte for the channel, or maybe even the episode. That is how they will push their way into the market.

    26. Re:they are all evil by gtbritishskull · · Score: 1

      I only watch TV in hotels after hulu stops working (it seems like most hotels have a software in their router that throttles streaming video after 30 min). And, like you, when I watch it I hate it.

    27. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, since DirecTV has dropped the Viacom channels, and is no longer paying the fees to Viacom, will be bill go down?

    28. Re:they are all evil by billcopc · · Score: 1

      All this.

      I've never personally signed up for cable TV. My partner had it when we moved in together, but a few years ago we ditched that too. I'd like to say that, if we were in the U.S., we might get by with Hulu and Netflix, but up here in Canada the pickings are very slim, and iTunes rentals don't play nice with XBMC, so I just leech everything off of Usenet and/or torrents. It's not that we can't afford those services, but the content we want simply isn't on offer, thanks to moronic regional licensing bullshit.

      I did the whole free-to-air pirate satellite thing for a few months. That sucked. The best part was the 25 channels of 24/7 porn - dead serious. That "paid programming" shit was all over the grid. I think they had a dozen different infomercials featuring the same get-rich-quick guy, 24/7. And the nature of satellite PPV meant that each movie had 10 channels with staggered start times. Convenient, I guess, but across all 500 or so channels, you had maybe 200 hours of non-repeat programming per week. Even at $0 a month, I tired of it very quickly and sold off my dish and receiver less than 3 months later.

      Today, the only wires entering my home are for internet and power. The only thing I miss are live sports, on those rare occasions when I'd be inclined to watch (playoffs, mostly). Solution: go to a pub with the guys, have some beers, eat some wings, watch on the big screen, no monthly subscription required.

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    29. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll pay 25-30% of the current price for 2% of the current content.

      ^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!

    30. Re:they are all evil by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      This. I cannot understand it but this.

      I would rather go to one game than watch the whole season on TV. Which you can't really do anyway, since they invariably don't air some games for some reasons like you are too close too the stadium, or too far away or they did not sellout or the phase of the moon is wrong.

      It is like NHL.com, I want to pay them to watch games, but they won't show me the games I want to watch. Only games from regions not my own.

      It makes no fucking sense.

    31. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. Live sports is the only reason I pay for satellite service.

    32. Re:they are all evil by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      we're probably close to the peak if we haven't passed it yet

      I think we're past the tipping point. I have small kids and they watch a lot of Netflix cartoons. Between that $7 a month fee (with an Internet connection I would have anyway) and a decent digital antenna, I don't have a lot of desire to switch back to the $110 per month Dish Network plan I'd had. Yeah, there's stuff I miss. No, it's not worth an extra $103 per month to see it. Netflix + OTA content is Good Enough for us - and apparently for a lot of other people, too.

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    33. Re:they are all evil by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Buy a Roku or AppleTV.

      Non-problem solved.

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    34. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      let me put it this way.
      Yah. Fuck those people!

    35. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up +1 circlejerk.

    36. Re:they are all evil by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Roku is bad quality, and besides there are other issues. First you need internet to get this, with a huge bandwidth, and that's my main point. Not everyone has this or can get it. Most people with big bandwidth actually get that from cable and then unsub from cable channels. Next step is from your internet to TV, not everyone has an ethernet cable there in the living room (no issue for cable internet as you only get cable internet from the TV cable). You can go wireless but you lose a lot of performance with wireless. After you get all that you still have to subscribe to each channel independently. It's doable but it is a huge amount of work for most people. Sure satellite costs a bit but it's vastly cheaper than cable and the cost is for convenience for me. If I stop watching satellite I won't make up for it with internet tv like some gadget lover.

    37. Re:they are all evil by mattack2 · · Score: 2

      I would rather go to one game than watch the whole season on TV.

      I'm not a sports person, but I think you might be the exception. Just like people with really good home theaters (not me) think watching movies at their house is better than at a movie theater, I've heard sports fans say that the TV experience is better than being there -- you are certainly seeing more detailed action, and don't have to pay the ridiculous prices for food/beer, etc..

    38. Re:they are all evil by berashith · · Score: 1

      right now I have nearly 100 channels of infomercials, christianity, and shopping. I wouldnt miss most of this ... i have to admit an odd affinity for the infomercials when I am drunk. There are less than 10 channels that hold our interest, and my wife and I are always ready to cut off the satellite for netflix and over the air at any time. Not having a la carte or very limited options is going to kill their revenue stream just the same when I finally get tired of the nonsense. The content providers need to be just as wary as the delivery companies.

    39. Re:they are all evil by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      You'd completely lose the flow of the show after 4 minutes of commercials.

      I don't lose any flow.. I hit the 30 second skip button 8 times.. or people who have Dish get the ads skipped for them (24 hours after original airing).

    40. Re:they are all evil by tsotha · · Score: 1

      You won't save any money. The content providers and satellite company need the same amount of revenue coming in to run their businesses, so they have to adjust the model to make that happen. You're thinking "if they go a la carte I can just order these two channels at $5 each and save myself a bundle." And of course that's what everyone else is thinking, too, but for different channels. You'll all end up with about the same bill every month, only you won't have access to a lot of the channels you have today (and, to be fair, probably don't watch).

      You'll still get the crap channels, because broadcasters for HSN and QVC pay your cable/satellite company for access instead of the other way around.

    41. Re:they are all evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just AMC. TCM is fine. Thank God.

    42. Re:they are all evil by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Right now, viewers have to pay separate extra amounts for HBO bundles, Showtime bundles, sports bundles, etc.. Making a finer division would surely make the per-channel rate higher; but those who want many could pay for them, and those with narrow tastes would be treated more reasonably. This is strictly a case of "The customer be damned, we'll do what we want to." Well screw you, Viacom, and DirecTV too.

      Nickelodeon is overflowing with ads. If they can't make barrels of money without having to charge for their channels, they're grossly incompetent.

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    43. Re:they are all evil by ooshna · · Score: 1

      Again this is all a result of the content providers they are the ones preventing distributors like DirecTv from offering per-channel subscriptions. Lets say Viacom wants $1 a month per subscriber that gets their channels and lets say they have 25 channels. DirecTv would rather you be able to pay 4 cents for each channel you want and not force you to pay for the channels you don't. Viacom on the other hand says no way it's either all or nothing. Same goes for all the other bundles you mentioned. The providers know that in most homes there are only a handful of channels that an individual or family actually watch. The rest is nothing more than filler so they can run more ads. Just look at the list of channels that were dropped. There are not too many homes where Nick, CMT, and BET would be watched regularly. But Viacom forces you to get all those channels plus channels like TV Land and VH1 classics which are full of old shows/videos and cost them a relatively small amount to create so its almost pure profit. In the end DirecTv's hands are tied.

    44. Re:they are all evil by Nyder · · Score: 1

      People who want live sports are pretty likely to shut up and pay for whatever bundle-o-crap that the providers are selling.

      nope, they can order then online and steam them.

      Screw giving money to Comcast, i'd rather give money to the panhandlers on the corner. (and I have no desire to give panhandlers anything)

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    45. Re:they are all evil by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      i have to admit an odd affinity for the infomercials when I am drunk

      Sounds like years ago when I was still drunk from my bachelor party the next day and a bunch of us ended up watching the original infomercial for the magic bullet food processor, it was the cheesiest thing I had ever seen and the producers knew it.

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    46. Re:they are all evil by DaleSwanson · · Score: 1

      Having 10 or 20 channels instead of 200 would be an improvement even if we paid the same, just because it's easier to find what I want to watch.

      Every tv I've seen in the last decade has the ability to deprogram channels, or set up a list of favorites. Which would allow you to have a limited selection at the same price, with the added benefit of you deciding which channels to keep and not the provider.

  4. Sweet ! . . . NO SNOOKIE ! by q256 · · Score: 0

    Sorry for the caps, but damn [ insert happy dance here ]

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    1. Re:Sweet ! . . . NO SNOOKIE ! by cvtan · · Score: 1

      Wait. People PAY for Snookie????

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    2. Re:Sweet ! . . . NO SNOOKIE ! by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      Ha, you WISH it were that easy to stop a Snooki!

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    3. Re:Sweet ! . . . NO SNOOKIE ! by houghi · · Score: 1

      I am from Europe and have no tv. What is a SNOOKIE?
      [Googled it]
      Kill it! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

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    4. Re:Sweet ! . . . NO SNOOKIE ! by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Hah. And yes, people watch that show, apparently, to feel better about themselves.

      Like a straight-D's student laughing at the kids riding the short bus to school.

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    5. Re:Sweet ! . . . NO SNOOKIE ! by thunderclap · · Score: 0

      She did get pregnant, so someone had too.

  5. Obligatory... by jaymzter · · Score: 2

    And nothing of value was lost.

    Any reason why Viacom or any other such wastewater producer can't just switch to streaming all their shows? I know not everyone has a computer, but I don't see why `channels` can't cut out the middle man in some instances and go directly to end users on a contract type basis. Maybe simulcast on cable for those that care and streaming only for those that want a la carte. Seems like a revenue source waiting to be tapped.

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    1. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are any of the show worth 10 or 20 bucks a month... the filler channels help pay to keep cable costs down remove them and the price will skyrocket (as if they really need an excuse).

    2. Re:Obligatory... by IMarvinTPA · · Score: 1

      Nick Jr already got rid of Moose A. Moose and Zee D Bird. So, yeah, nothing important lost from this.

      Good thing my kids have switched to Sprout already.

    3. Re:Obligatory... by lobos · · Score: 4, Informative

      Any reason why Viacom or any other such wastewater producer can't just switch to streaming all their shows? ...Seems like a revenue source waiting to be tapped.

      As someone who covers media companies for an investment firm and spends a lot of my work thinking about things like this, they would lose out on a lot of money if they did that. Content owners currently have a dual stream revenue source. One are the monthly affiliate fees paid by you through the cable provider. The other is advertising. The content owners have been getting filthy rich through this model and have no desire to give it up.

      If they were to start going directly to the end users and charging you, chances are they would lose more money than they made under the old model. The first reason is there is no (or little) advertising in the model you are proposing. So your fees would have to cover all the money they make off of advertising. Which will likely never happen. The second is that, in the current model, many people pay monthly affiliate fees for channels they would not purchase on a standalone basis (this is the same reason why you will likely never see à la carte channels) and cable providers would demand lower affiliate fees, or drop the channels altogether, if the content owners started going direct to the end user. So your fee to get the streaming portion would have to be quite high because you are currently being subsidized by advertising and a lot of people who never watch the channel.

      I should note that I would love to see à la carte programming, but I'm just explaining why you're not going to see it right now. However, there may come a point when it starts happening. It really comes down to simple economics. If enough people start cutting the cord, or something else disrupts the current model enough, then they will start moving to other models. But right now it's way too lucrative for them to ever give it up.

    4. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uum, have you forgotten about the Daily Show? Nothing of value? It is the last and only piece of useful TV left!

    5. Re:Obligatory... by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, not enough people understand this and/or are willing to go without immediate access to the newest episode of whatever.

      I've already done my part and cut the cord to traditional networks. Now we just need another 25 million or so to follow...

    6. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any reason why Viacom or any other such wastewater producer can't just switch to streaming all their shows?

      They have, partially at least anyway. And that's partially why this whole issue has come up in the first place. Somewhere down the line Viacom decided that switching to a web-based content delivery model was the right way to go. However, this decision to cannibalize their existing sources of revenue had the side-effect of making their broadcast agreements less valuable due to lower ratings and advertising revenue. So essentially what's going on here amounts to Viacom demanding DirecTV subsidize the risk on a new business strategy by paying more for something that has depreciated in value over the past few years.

      This of course doesn't even take into account the whole business of content providers being very all-or-nothing when it comes to selling their content to distributors.

    7. Re:Obligatory... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Because they want it both ways, AND streaming isn't free especially the bandwidth they would need.

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    8. Re:Obligatory... by Monoman · · Score: 1

      Let the consumer decide. Provide each customer with bundle and a la carte options. That way they know what each channel costs and can choose accordingly. It isn't like the technology doesn't exist to offer this. We canceled cable/sattelite almost a year ago. Services like Netflix and Hulu+ along with the Internet are just fine for our needs.

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    9. Re:Obligatory... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      If they were to start going directly to the end users and charging you, chances are they would lose more money than they made under the old model. The first reason is there is no (or little) advertising in the model you are proposing. So your fees would have to cover all the money they make off of advertising.

      But can you give us some figures?

      How MUCH does Viacom make for advertising on one episode of "The Daily Show", for example? Then divide by # of viewers to get an "advertising cost per viewer" amount. I realize, not all would pay that.

      I won't pay $.99 or $1.99 per show (for NEW Trek episodes, to keep, I would possibly consider it), but I would love to be "nickeled & dimed" for individual shows, without commercials, instead of "having" to deal with a Tivo and multiple tuners and recording conflicts.. I would pay AT LEAST as much as I currently pay for cable. But as I said, not $1 or $2 per episode, which is what they're trying to get.

      I suspect the costs as calculated above would be FAR below that.. and even of course if you raised the price a bit to make up for people who wouldn't pay for it, it seems to me it would be "reasonably" priced.. but I want figures to confirm.

    10. Re:Obligatory... by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

      And nothing of value was lost

      MTV is an embarrassment

    11. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ironically, Viacom just shut down all their streaming shows on the Internet to enrage DirecTV customers more.

  6. Sounds like a negotiating tactic by jandrese · · Score: 2

    The problem is, both sides and neither side have the position of strength here. Viacom obviously wants the big bucks from the cable/satellite company, and the cable/satellite companies don't want people cancelling because you dropped the channels they care about. Maybe that's why there has been such a push for 2 year contracts on these services as of late. If the consumers are locked in the company could have a lot more leverage over the content producers.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Satellite TV is very expensive to bring to customers. Dish Network breaks even after a new customer's first 2-year contract. So the contract is to prevent them from losing money from people who only want the service for 1 year and then quit.

    2. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      In a typical house with kids, going without Spongebob may be your death knell

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    3. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in my experience kids don't seem to know or care if they are watching the same re-run for the 20th time in the row (they often even specifically request it)...so just get a spongebob DVD and put it on loop.

    4. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 2

      I have kids, and Nick has almost nothing of value. Disney on the other hand is a lot better. The writing for some of the new shows is really good. It's gotten a lot better once the Cyrus's quit/got let go. It's got sight gags for the kids, and it's got some intellectual humor for the adults. Now if they could play more than 3 shows a season, so that we can watching newer stuff more often. Or just play Phineas and Ferb all day (which I highly recommend all geeks on this site watch at least a few episodes. It's really good, IMO).

    5. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a typical house with kids, going without Spongebob may be your death knell

      Well, to be fair, we all like Bikini Bottom.

    6. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I need is Lindana's greatest hits and I'll be fine.

    7. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just play Phineas and Ferb all day (which I highly recommend all geeks on this site watch at least a few episodes. It's really good, IMO).

      QFMFT.

    8. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Right. If DirecTV weren't negotiating, they'd just offer a Viacomm package for $25/mo or whatever, and let customers decide if they want to buy it.

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    9. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have kids, and Nick has almost nothing of value.

      Um, Legend of Korra? And Young Justice on CN. And Toonami is just now back too. We have tweens and a teen

    10. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by MrgnPhnx · · Score: 1

      Um, Legend of Korra? And Young Justice on CN. And Toonami is just now back too. We have tweens and a teen

      And it's been so long since I commented, I realized I wasn't logged in until after. ;)

    11. Re:Sounds like a negotiating tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a parent with kids who had cable and then cut it all for OTA (and now has 3 channels, 1 in french, we're english, one about to stop all OTA in August, and the other that basically is nothing more than Ads and those TV shows that are Ads) I can tell you it made a HUGE difference to my kids.

      The difference was that now I could go into a toy store and not have them going nuts for every shiny object on the shelves, they actually look at the toys and make decisions based on how they would play with it, not on if it was "marketed" to them. The funny part is that we only get cartoons on the french channel, and being kids, they are now watching it... and learning!

      So yes, the kids complained for the first few months when we didn't have cable, but after that it is really nice. And, if we travel/vacation they know they'll get cable so no complaints since they then get to catch up on the shows/programs their classmates talk about. About 1 week is all it takes for them to get their fix since so many shows are just replayed over and over again anyways :)

  7. Yeah, not missing much by kiriath · · Score: 2

    Both CC and MTV used to have Descent programs and Music respectively. Since neither, have either, I'm good with that.

    1. Re:Yeah, not missing much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What are these "descent programs" you are talking about? I loved the video game and the Freespace spinoff; so I am sure I would love a tv show based on them.

    2. Re:Yeah, not missing much by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      And even when they had them, they didn't know what to do. Liquid Television on MTV spawned Beavis & Butthead (hey, even if you hated them, they became pretty big) and Aeon Flux and whatnot, but LT itself was never nurtured or renewed or anything. It aired seemingly at random and never had new episodes. FFS, is it that hard to go out and find animated short films by students/amateurs who'd jump at the chance to have their work aired on a national network?

    3. Re:Yeah, not missing much by kiriath · · Score: 1

      Haha, touché... =D

      Stupid speelcheek.

  8. Content Producers by arbiterxero · · Score: 1

    Now that Larger and larger companies are being bitten by the content producers, MPAA, RIAA, and other copyright moguls out to make money off someone else's work...

    Maybe we can finally make some progress.

    1. Re:Content Producers by alen · · Score: 1

      comcast and time warner have their own content producers. direct TV is in a niche market of people who hate cable or don't have it available in their area

    2. Re:Content Producers by DJRumpy · · Score: 1

      A 'Niche' market with 20 million subscribers? I don't think that word means what you think it means. They are the largest satellite provider in the U.S.

      That is not a niche market.

      As to content providers and carriers, none of these have enough of both to be fully sustainable except to a small portion of the population. I wouldn't be satisfied with only channels owned by Sony, or Time Warner, etc.

      I fully blame the content owners here (Viacom). They are forcing the carriers to buy bundled services for 'crap' channels just to get the premium channels. Hitting the carriers with a 30% increase is crazy as they will in turn just have to pass that off to their customers. The providers do the same thing. If they all went to ala-carte, there would be a huge drop in garbage channels, and the consumer would be better off overall, with the exception of the aforementioned content and carriers since their entire profit model runs off of bundling at this point. They don't produce enough 'good' content to justify the prices that we pay for unless it's bundled with a lot of 'crap' channels to make up for the lack of general quality overall.

    3. Re:Content Producers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are the larger satellite provider in the U.S.

      FTFY

  9. understanding of TV fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess pirating and physical media is the only way to make sure the content we pay for doesn't disappear.

    You don't pay for content, you pay for a channel, and get whatever content is pumped through that channel. This is where copyright law actually works correctly, that you can record anything being shunted at you at wierd times to watch at your leisure afterward.

    Pirating is the act of getting media through an unauthorized channel, and while that can be an effective response to silly company choices like this, it does still have a risk of getting some *IAA groups after you.

    The part that most annoys me about anything involving paid TV channels is that I remember when cable was advertised as not having any commercials on the cable-only channels. Now they're at least as bad as broadcasts.

  10. What does that do to contracts? by Tancred · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was considering switching from Comcast to DirecTV recently. Without Comedy Central (specifically The Daily Show and The Colbert Report) I wouldn't switch. But what if I had switched and they dropped one of the main channels I wanted? Would I have grounds to get out of a term contract? Would I have to go to small claims court if they resisted?

    1. Re:What does that do to contracts? by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      It's not just Viacom shows. DirectTV also shitcanned G4 a couple of years ago. Their cable line-up is looking a little thin these days.

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    2. Re:What does that do to contracts? by Spritzer · · Score: 4, Informative
      Tough Luck.
      DirecTV Terms of Service

      (d) Our Programming Changes. Many factors affect the availability, cost and quality of programming and may influence the decision to raise prices and the amount of any increase. These include, among others, programming and other costs, consumer demand, market and shareholder expectations, and changing business conditions. Accordingly, we must reserve the unrestricted right to change, rearrange, add or delete our programming packages, the selections in those packages, our prices, and any other Service we offer, at any time. We will endeavor to notify you of any change that is within our reasonable control and its effective date. In most cases this notice will be about one month in advance. You always have the right to cancel your Service, in whole or in part, if you do not accept the change (see Section 5). If you cancel your Service, a deactivation fee (described in Sections 2 & 5(b)) or other charges may apply. Credits, if any, to your account will be posted as described in Section 5. If you do not cancel, your continued receipt of our Service will constitute acceptance.

      I would assume most or all other carriers have similar clauses.

    3. Re:What does that do to contracts? by Tancred · · Score: 2

      I had no doubt something like that was in the contract. What I wonder though, is how that holds up legally, given their advertising of channel packages. If that term of the contract was absolute, one month in to your contract they could change the price to $1000/month and cut everything but the golf channel. But I don't think they'd get away with charging their early termination / deactivation fees. So where's the line...?

    4. Re:What does that do to contracts? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      But I don't think they'd get away with charging their early termination / deactivation fees.

      The clause says "may" apply. You would have a good case for not being charged an early term fee in the hypothetical case you propose. I think that clause is there more for the folks who would claim that they wanted out of the contract because they wanted out of the contract and the provider just happened to do something like move channels around or add a channel. Both are changes; neither are significant changes.

    5. Re:What does that do to contracts? by chromas · · Score: 2

      G4 shitcanned itself.

    6. Re:What does that do to contracts? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Most Comedy Central stuff is available online though. So it's a non-issue.

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    7. Re:What does that do to contracts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. That was actually written by a lawyer who talks like a human.

  11. And to compensate customers... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    DirecTV has dropped all of Viacom's channels.

    ... DirectTV will, of course, lower their subscription fees accordingly.

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    1. Re:And to compensate customers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they were smart, they would.

      At least their customers would side with dtv if their bill dropped 5-10 bucks.

    2. Re:And to compensate customers... by PancakeMan · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know you were joking, but just as a point of information, it looks like DirecTV is giving away the Encore channels in an effort at compensation while the Viacom stations are dark.

    3. Re:And to compensate customers... by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      Well, they cut off our hamburgers. But at least they're compensating us with all-you-can-eat horse manure.

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    4. Re:And to compensate customers... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      I know you were joking, but just as a point of information, it looks like DirecTV is giving away the Encore channels in an effort at compensation while the Viacom stations are dark.

      And that helps people that paid to watch Comedy Central how? I understand the effort from their point, but I'd rather have money back than access to something I don't want. (Sorry, we're out of the steak you ordered, so here's some Haggis - enjoy.)

      Disclaimer: I'm not a DirectTV customer, just commenting on how their customer service doesn't seem to help either word "customer" or "service". But, hey, companies are people, my friend, and people make mistakes... (but they keep the money).

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    5. Re:And to compensate customers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they cut off our hamburgers. But at least they're compensating us with all-you-can-eat horse manure.

      Encore channels vs Viacom ones? I think the analogy you're looking for is that they're preventing you from paying more to eat cockroaches and are handing you free steak instead.

    6. Re:And to compensate customers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like they took away your horse manure and are substituting it with cow manure.

    7. Re:And to compensate customers... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Actually Encore channels are pretty good. I don't pay for premium channels but if I ever did Encore seems like the best bet if you want to watch movies instead of overhyped original programming.

    8. Re:And to compensate customers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cancelled Dish after spending several years watching their offerings were expand to include an infomercials for "Brazilian Butts!" and steak-knife and iPhone case offerings on shopping channels. Not much else, really. The Discovery Network seems to have a policy of not airing any show that doesn't include at least one person with bad teeth and a fondness for buggering alligators.

      I dropped Dish and started using Netflix and YouTube exclusively. Now I have an unlimited supply of Honda Civic burnout videos and Dick Van Dyke re-runs.

      Glorious.

    9. Re:And to compensate customers... by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Perhaps they should bribe them with a few premium channels; that may get them off the Viacom channels permanently (Hmm. No MTV wannabe starlets...but we can watch Game of Thrones until we're blind..). Would have hate written all over it.

      And the thing is, it might work. DirecTV probably has healthy enough profit margins on their regular packages to give away a few premium channels for 'free.' And once they get used to having filet mignon, they may not be in such a rush to go back to hamburger. Convert enough customers, combined with the power of positive press (DirecTV giving away premium channels with a basic subscription), and Viacom will feel it. Not too many people who would go back to regular FM radio if they could get satellite radio for free.

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    10. Re:And to compensate customers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, 2 bucks per month?

    11. Re:And to compensate customers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given how fast this all went down it's understandable. It's much MUCH easier to simply switch on other premium channels for their subscribers for however long it takes to resolve the dispute than it is to figure out which customers were affected in what way, then apply the appropriate bill credit to each account.

    12. Re:And to compensate customers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Encore channels are pretty good. I don't pay for premium channels but if I ever did Encore seems like the best bet if you want to watch movies instead of overhyped original programming.

      Unless you want your movies in HD.

    13. Re:And to compensate customers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't care if you side with them or not. They only care about MONEY. Money, money, and more money.

      So long as your paying them, they just don't care how you feel.

    14. Re:And to compensate customers... by tmarthal · · Score: 1

      At least their customers would side with dtv if their bill dropped 5-10 bucks.

      They are paying ~$1.10 per subscriber to Viacom, and they want to increase it to a little above $2.

  12. Terminate Contract? by pthor1231 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if there is verbiage in consumer's contracts that allow them to end it early with no fee due to an adverse change, similar to cell phones. People outside of the 6 month or 1 year promo pricing who are still in the 2 year contract might benefit from this.

    1. Re:Terminate Contract? by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      I read on another website that the opposite is true. There are terms that allow DirectTV to drop channels but the subscriber can't drop DirectTV after losing channels without paying the ETF.

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    2. Re:Terminate Contract? by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wonder if there is verbiage in consumer's contracts that allow them to end it early with no fee due to an adverse change

      Yes. You can get out for $15.

      (d) Our Programming Changes. Many factors affect the availability, cost and quality of programming and may influence the decision to raise prices and the amount of any increase. These include, among others, programming and other costs, consumer demand, market and shareholder expectations, and changing business conditions. Accordingly, we must reserve the unrestricted right to change, rearrange, add or delete our programming packages, the selections in those packages, our prices, and any other Service we offer, at any time. We will endeavor to notify you of any change that is within our reasonable control and its effective date. In most cases this notice will be about one month in advance. You always have the right to cancel your Service, in whole or in part, if you do not accept the change (see Section 5). If you cancel your Service, a deactivation fee (described in Sections 2 & 5(b)) or other charges may apply. Credits, if any, to your account will be posted as described in Section 5. If you do not cancel, your continued receipt of our Service will constitute acceptance.

    3. Re:Terminate Contract? by organgtool · · Score: 1

      I wonder if there is verbiage in consumer's contracts that allow them to end it early with no fee due to an adverse change

      Yes. You can get out for $15.

      Do you happen to work for a bank or credit agency?

    4. Re:Terminate Contract? by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      This clause is useless from a consumer standpoint. Weasel words highlighted:

      Our Programming Changes. Many factors affect the availability, cost and quality of programming and may influence the decision to raise prices and the amount of any increase. These include, among others, programming and other costs, consumer demand, market and shareholder expectations, and changing business conditions. Accordingly, we must reserve the unrestricted right to change, rearrange, add or delete our programming packages, the selections in those packages, our prices, and any other Service we offer, at any time. We will endeavor to notify you of any change that is within our reasonable control and its effective date. In most cases this notice will be about one month in advance. You always have the right to cancel your Service, in whole or in part, if you do not accept the change (see Section 5). If you cancel your Service, a deactivation fee (described in Sections 2 & 5(b)) or other charges may apply. Credits, if any, to your account will be posted as described in Section 5. If you do not cancel, your continued receipt of our Service will constitute acceptance.

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    5. Re:Terminate Contract? by imuffin · · Score: 1

      If they give you any runaround, take'm to small claims court. I did that with T-Mobile after going through round after round of their customer service agents telling me I had no right to cancel despite the fact that the contract clearly says I can.

      A few days after I filed the small claims suit, they called me and settled.

  13. Piracy is the answer by bhlowe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, drop your comcast and DirectTV and just pirate everything! Nice ethical solution... (ducking)

    1. Re:Piracy is the answer by Spritzer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or do like I do. Pay them for service and download most everything anyway. I'm paying for it. How I choose delivery is my business.

      SABnzbd + SickBeard + AstraWeb = FU and your silly games

    2. Re:Piracy is the answer by bcong · · Score: 1

      Honest question: Is that illegal? It could be argued that it is a mechanism of time-shifting, but from my past reading, the mechanism of distribution determines legality so downloading content that even you pay for (e.g. HBO Shows) would be illegal because it is a different distribution mechanism. Any thoughts? I'd love to download a show that I forgot to Tivo, but I'm under the impression that it is against current law.

    3. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely off topic here,
      but I think ethics is a giant pile of BS.
      Almost every single example of an ethical dilemma I've ever seen is completely straight forward.
      The only reason it's an ethical dilemma is because the ethical solution is inconvenient, and people
      want some way to justify choosing the other option.
      (We could have saved him, but then 1000 people would have lost their jobs.)

      For instance, in class we had to role play this made up situation where we were an aircraft manufacturer
      that had to test fly a plane, but the plane might have been damaged.
      We had the choice of flying the plane on time and risk killing the test pilot, or delay the test flight and risk the company going bankrupt.
      I think the ethical solution is obvious, but we choose to fly anyway (can't risk those people getting laid off after all).
      We got lucky and 2 coin tosses decided the pilot survived and we made millions.

    4. Re:Piracy is the answer by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Not legally. I'm sure it's okay with you, though. That's what matters.

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    5. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as long as you (the downloader) stay away from the p2p methods of getting tv shows you are technically not breaking the laws that people are (quite rarely) getting arrested for it's when you torrent shows (and upload bits of them) that you're infringing on the magickal rights of IP and will get cease and desist letters or the RIAA paying a call.

    6. Re:Piracy is the answer by Spritzer · · Score: 1

      Probably not. However, after weighing what's "legal" vs. what's "reasonable, fair, and equitable" I personally don't care. I'm not robbing anyone of revenue. In fact, I end up paying $0.10 per HD episode to do this. I realize that this money doesn't find its way to the content producers, but they're still making every penny of their money.

    7. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is legal. See the Betamax case.

    8. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want to say TY for this. I use playon and written some of my own plugins, but since TWC got rid of Newgroups been looking for something like this. TY.

    9. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, mate. When you pay for DirecTV, the product you pay for is the content and the distribution medium. Once you have the content, you're free to time and place shift it all you want, provided it's for your personal use. You're not entitled to go acquire the content via an alternate medium, regardless of it being cheaper to the content provider. Additionally, you're paying for the media stream *exactly* as it's sent to you, complete with commercials, whether you want it to be or not. Most torrents I've seen edit out the ads.

      And before someone asks, yes, from a legal standpoint removing the ads from the AV stream is much, much different than skipping over them.

    10. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moral relativism is useful here. Is the utility from one person's life greater than the utility of 1000 people having a job?

      Sadly there is no SI unit for utility.

    11. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing unethical about pirating. You are, at best, a moral imbecile.

    12. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SuperNews is better. I have gotten up to 10 MB/s downloads with them and I only pay $100/ yr (one time). But in general I have to agree SAB + Sickbeard is the best. I live in Sweden so I can't get most of the shows I watch on first run, but even if I lived back home in the states I wouldn't pay $100+ for cable. The only problem I have now is that I am so isolated from commercials that I have trouble finding new shows and movies that are good.

    13. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under US law, it is unclear whether it is illegal (where illegal = the law allows civil penalties) to download anything. It is certainly illegal to distribute content that you don't have the right to distribute. That is why people have been sued for using bittorrent, etc. As far as I know, nobody has been sued for simply downloading (without also uploading) copyrighted material, so this issue has never been tested in court. Though it is challenging to search for precedent because the word "downloading" is often used in these court cases to mean "using a P2P application to simultaneously download and upload some content."

      To determine whether simply downloading is illegal, you would have to determine whether you have produced an "unauthorized copy," which is difficult because the law doesn't give us much information about what kinds of copies are authorized or unauthorized. So the courts have decided that recording a show to a video tape is authorized, and time shifting is authorized. It's possible that downloading a TV show from usenet for the purpose of time/format/etc shifting is also authorized. Or perhaps it isn't. So the best course of action is download it and try to get sued so you can test the law in court. That is the only way we will find out whether this action is legal or not.

    14. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If 100% of people pirated content they enjoyed, that content would not exist. It's not ethical simply because your shortsightedness can't see what you're robbing people of by pirating.

    15. Re:Piracy is the answer by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You are confusing ethics with enlightened self-interest.

      They aren't the same thing.

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    16. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm almost positive I'm not. Although paying for content I enjoy does make it more likely for similar content to be produced in the future, it also allows people do eat. Just because it's mutually beneficial doesn't mean ethics goes out the window.

    17. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're misinterpreting that case. The betamax case outlined what you're allowed to do with content you've received over a medium that you have paid for (i.e. personal use in a time/place shifted manner). What the GP is describing is paying for content distributed over one medium and acquiring it over a different medium, which is not legal. When you pay for DirecTV, the product you pay for is the content and the distribution medium. This does not entitle you to acquire the same content via an alternate method of distribution.

    18. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have any ethics anymore. I was raised on cable tv and listening to companies and politicians.

      Piracy IS the answer. Excessive greed works for everyone else. Join in.

    19. Re:Piracy is the answer by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 1

      Thats a failure of their business model. If the content creators can't find a way to monetize their creations, then they do not deserve to get paid

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    20. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the guy who supports organized crime, and is too fuckin' dumb to realize it...
      If they wanted money for their service, they could have asked it on creation. That's what Kickstarter is for!
      No. what they want, is to defraud everyone of us, by doing the work only once, but taking money for it until the end of all time. Without moving a fuckin' finger.
      Nice and ethical...*cough*

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    21. Re:Piracy is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piracy is never the answer. Pay up or do without the content. Who are the idiots who missed this up to score 3 already?

    22. Re:Piracy is the answer by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Even if the manufacturer takes the risk, the final decision lies with the test pilot, who must be informed of the added risk. The dilemma disappears when his freedom is recognized.

      Most proposed "ethical dilemmas" are bogus: hypothetical situations caused by some unlikely blunder, artificially restricted solutions that when lifted, the dilemma disappears. Life does present a few difficult choices, but it's nothing like the morass fantasized by proposers of "ethical dilemmas."

      Most ethical choices are routine, and coincide with long term self interest. Be honest, provide full value for pay, etc.. Not inviting questionable activities usually avoids dodgy choices being forced on you.

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    23. Re:Piracy is the answer by Stele · · Score: 1

      I gave SABnzb and SickBeard a try, as a test. I am a current DirecTV and HBO subscriber.

      I went through a paid, encrypted, Usenet account, because I didn't want my static IP to show up in a Torrent swarm. I was amazed at the quality of these tools until unfortunately two of the three test shows I tried downloading were corrupt. There was literally one block missing from each one, preventing the unrar from working. What do do in this case? I don't want to spend my day tracking down missing par blocks.

    24. Re:Piracy is the answer by DaleSwanson · · Score: 1

      Honest question: Is that illegal?
        It could be argued that it is a mechanism of time-shifting, but from my past reading, the mechanism of distribution determines legality so downloading content that even you pay for (e.g. HBO Shows) would be illegal because it is a different distribution mechanism.

      Any thoughts? I'd love to download a show that I forgot to Tivo, but I'm under the impression that it is against current law.

      Well if you use bit torrent to download it'd be illegal regardless of anything else because you would be uploading while downloading.

  14. So what was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Music channel that doesn't play music and a Comedy channel that isn't funny and a cartoon channel with sucky cartoons...

    1. Re:So what was lost by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Hey, is the Sci-Fi network one of theirs?

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    2. Re:So what was lost by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I thought they changed their name to SyFy and showed various WWE programming now?

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  15. Re:Breaking News by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stories aren't broken on Slashdot. We wait for one or preferably several news articles are written, people have a chance to actually read them (I know, not exactly reality), and then we can discuss them intelligently.

  16. Thanks Viacom and DirectTV! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This was precisely the motivation I needed to finally make the jump and cancel my TV cable/satellite services completely. For months I've been dancing around the idea of just picking up the TV shows I enjoy on Disc or using Netflix but I stuck around.

    I almost made the jump when this sort of bullshit was going on with AMC. But now that this is the second time this has happened I am done. Good luck sticking it to your loyal customers with either increased rates to pay for Viacom or by reduced quality of service (which I'm certain they will not reduce prices for).

    I'm not on a contract so I do not have to worry about this, but I wonder if this can be considered a change in service and allow people to get out of their contracts early.

  17. Who cares? Who needs it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Good... and I mean it. Television is the worst thing that people do to themselves. End the control that corporations have on us

    1. Re:Who cares? Who needs it? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      No, drugs are the worst thing that people do to themselves. Television is entertainment. Or maybe that's just me, and you just get sucked into it like a little lemming when you watch it.

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    2. Re:Who cares? Who needs it? by dmacleod808 · · Score: 0

      I dunno, I find marijuana pretty entertaining.

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  18. Greedy Networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Remember when cable channels were commercial free? I do. It was because you paid to watch them.
    Now cable networks are raking in advertisement revenue, and are demanding cable and satellite providers give them more money.
    They are biting the hand that feeds them. I guess they don't want anyone watching their ads.

    1. Re:Greedy Networks by bws111 · · Score: 2

      No, you don't remember that, because it never happened. Originally your cable subscription was just re-transmission of OTA broadcasts, complete with all the commercials. In the mid 70's HBO came along, and for an additional fee you could watch movies commercial free - still true today. In the late 70's cable companies offered regional programming (sports, mostly), again for an additional fee (either monthly subscription or pay-per-view). Today, most of those regional channels (and many, many, more) have moved to some sort of 'extended basic' package, for a fee far less than was what was charged in the 70's. Those channels now have ads, but are no longer 'premium' channels. One of the first real 'cable' channels was MTV, and it was indeed commercial-free - for the first 10 minutes of it's existence.

      This magical time when cable was commercial-free that you are 'remembering' never existed.

    2. Re:Greedy Networks by bman49er · · Score: 1

      I remember as a very young kid when we had little to no commercials on satellite. And even though I've already cut the cord and gone to Netflix and iTunes as my entertainment providers, it saddens me to think that even if they did get the channels back, all the ads are waiting with them.

    3. Re:Greedy Networks by David_W · · Score: 1

      This magical time when cable was commercial-free that you are 'remembering' never existed.

      In the ACs defense, I distinctly remember Nickelodeon being commercial free in the early 80s. According to Wikipedia it started doing "traditional advertising" in 1984.

    4. Re:Greedy Networks by porges · · Score: 1

      Also, AMC only started having ads during movies in 2002, sez Wikipedia.

  19. Stop press!! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    What do you think this is, some sort of high speed electromagnetic thing that can be updated at a whim? AT A WHIM?!

    Geez, you kids today are so demanding.

    1. Re:Stop press!! by icebike · · Score: 2

      Geez, you kids today are so demanding.

      Give him a break, his favorite TV channel is off the air and he's sitting there with nothing to do till it returns.

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    2. Re:Stop press!! by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Nice. *Internet high-five*

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  20. I use Roku by na1led · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Canceled my Cable Subscription, which I was paying over $100 a month for. With Roku, I have Netflix, Hulu Plus, and Amazon Prime, all of which cost less than $25 a month, plus my roof antenna for local channels. Internet TV is going to be the future.

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    1. Re:I use Roku by na1led · · Score: 2
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    2. Re:I use Roku by realmolo · · Score: 1

      That's great, until ISPs in the US start moving to a "metered" service. Which they are already doing.

      You won't be watching all of your TV over the internet if you only have 5GB of data transfer/month.

      The solution? City-run internet utilities. They aren't as ridiculously greedy as the private ISPs are, and you can, to some degree, control how they run their operation by voting in city elections.

    3. Re:I use Roku by DewDude · · Score: 1

      Funny, Hulu made me login with my Verizon ID to prove I had a TV subscription. Don't assume InternetTV is the future, Hulu is already starting to comply with the requirement of needing a "cable" subscription. I believe this was mentioned on this site a couple months ago. Pretty soon, if you don't already pay for TV, you won't be able to pay for streaming.

    4. Re:I use Roku by RichMeatyTaste · · Score: 1

      Do you have Hulu Plus? I never got confirmation whether that decision affects those of us who pony up the $15/month for Plus. I have no issues watching Hulu+ with my Roku (and I have no cable/sat service).

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    5. Re:I use Roku by na1led · · Score: 1

      I doubt that's going to happen. These companies get popular because the other guys are screwing everyone, makes no-sense to follow the same path. People will always be in favor of the cheaper/easier solution, that's how Movie Rental places all went out of business.

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    6. Re:I use Roku by leonardluen · · Score: 1

      That's great, until ISPs in the US start moving to a "metered" service. Which they are already doing.

      meaning everything has come full circle. remember when many dialup connections were metered? (by the minute) that was one of the big selling points for cable & DSL internet because they were always on and un-metered...not to mention many times faster...

    7. Re:I use Roku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, most ISPs are in bed with state governments and have slowly been making municipal-ran internet providers illegal.

    8. Re:I use Roku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem with internet TV is the caps ISP's are now placing on data. I have Netflix streaming with about a dozen devices between TV's, PC's laptops and my Nook that will stream. Problem is my AT&T DSL has a cap set to 150 GB per month. The last couple of months I have chewed through that cap with about a week to go in the month. AT&T do not cut off service at that point, they just add 50 GB more for another $10. Last month I even went through the 50 GB and got charged for another 50 GB.

      Point is, you turn from satellite or cable, and someone else is there to take your money.

    9. Re:I use Roku by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      Does that apply to the OTA networks as well? Cable doesn't have any contracts with NBC, ABC, CBS OTA stations... They get those for retransmission FREE. Why would Hulu need proof of cable for those?

      All the rest of the stuff is "Web Only" 1/2 the time. Great.

    10. Re:I use Roku by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Steaming internet TV really only works as long as there are a small number of people doing this. It won't scale up to mass market quantity without some major shifts (ie, recreate the cable model but don't call it cable).

    11. Re:I use Roku by bws111 · · Score: 1

      These companies 'got popular' because they are, at the moment, cheap. One of the main reasons they are cheap is that they are currently using licenses/contracts that were drawn up at the very beginnings of viable streaming, and they are getting the content very inexpensively. Once those contracts are up for renewal, all that can change (see Netflix/Starz). If you want to see the things that worry Netflix, have look at their annual report, in the 'risks' section. Being unable to obtain content cheaply is one of their big risks.

    12. Re:I use Roku by bws111 · · Score: 1

      The cable companies do not get OTA 'for free', that would be copyright infringement.

    13. Re:I use Roku by nobaloney · · Score: 1

      Does that apply to the OTA networks as well? Cable doesn't have any contracts with NBC, ABC, CBS OTA stations... They get those for retransmission FREE. Why would Hulu need proof of cable for those?

      All the rest of the stuff is "Web Only" 1/2 the time. Great.

      Unfortunately, that's not true. It's logical, it's reasonable (heck, it's more than reasonable; with cable the big 3 get much more viewers and much more advertising dollars), but it's just not true. I used to think it was true, but in the last few years we've seen (here in SoCal) some cable companies losing one or another of the local OTA channels during a dispute over pricing.

  21. Costs vs Promises by icebike · · Score: 1

    Regardless of the weasel words in the fine print of the subscription brochure, it seems to me that when you sign up with DirectTV and they drop channels simply because there was a cost change seems like a breach of contract. Costs have always changed over the years, up and down, yet DirectTV's prices seldom decline when suppliers offer programming for less.

    Holding your customers hostage seems to be the common tactic these days. Cities counties and states pass new taxes for one fluff package after another, but when the budget shrinks and they need a tax increase the first cuts threatened are to Police Fire and Teachers.

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    1. Re:Costs vs Promises by jnaujok · · Score: 3

      So, you would prefer that DirecTV simply accept any rate increase of the content provider and pass them on to you? So, the $1B increase ($50/year/subscriber) should just be passed on to you? Like Viacom says, "it's only pennies a day."

      And once that precedent is set, when Disney want's another $5 a month, and HBO does, and every other network, and your bill goes to $400 a month, will you vent your anger at the content providers or will you scream at DirecTV for not attempting to argue with the content providers to maintain a fair rate?

      I'm no fanboi of DirecTV (although I do have it) but I'd rather they fought against a price increase even if it means temporarily losing channels, rather than tagging another $5 a month onto my bill.

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    2. Re:Costs vs Promises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DirectTV's prices seldom decline when suppliers offer programming for less.

      How often does that happen? I've never heard of a TV network lowering its programming prices. I would expect it to always go up.

    3. Re:Costs vs Promises by icebike · · Score: 2

      I prefer that Direct TV absorb the cost for the remainder of my contract, and raise it at the end of my contract, just like rent (because that is what it is).

      After all, the impasse is over a trivial amount: "Viacom is asking DirecTV for a rate increase of a couple pennies per day, per subscriber."

      At the end of their contract with the providers they should give plenty of advanced warning to the customers, and if an impasse is reached, a price reduction to reflect the reduced content should be offered to the DirectTV subscribers.

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    4. Re:Costs vs Promises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weasel words, you mean terms and conditions clearly listed in the contract?

    5. Re:Costs vs Promises by icebike · · Score: 1

      I mean the Weasel words listed in the contract, which transfers all risk to the customer and absolves the corporation from adhering to any of the terms in the contract, let alone the spirit of the contract. So yeah, those weasel words. You should read them sometime. Its clear you haven't.

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    6. Re:Costs vs Promises by wbav · · Score: 1

      The problem is "pennies a day" is not defined. $1.00/day is 100 pennies a day.

      A 30% increase puts the "pennies a day" into perspective.

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    7. Re:Costs vs Promises by icebike · · Score: 1

      The direct quote was: "rate increase of a couple pennies per day, per subscriber."

      That seems pretty well defined to me. A couple = 2.

      The couple pennies a day which is 30% rate increase, only applies to what the subscriber pays of Viacom channels, not across the board for all channels. Subscribers were in no danger of seeing their bill increase by 30%.

      DirectTV is deliberately using confusing units and facts to fool you. And evidently you bit, hook, line, and, sinker.

      If both companies are telling you the literal truth, then we can deduce:
          a couple pennies a day per subscriber amounts to a 30% rate increase for the Viacom channels,
          the average subscriber must be getting them for about 6 cents per day now,
          they would have to pay 8 cents after the rate increase,
          which is both about a 30% increase AND about a couple pennies per day per subscriber.

      But its still a couple pennies a day per subscriber, something DirectTV could easily handle out of pocket.
      DirecTV had increased rates 4 percent in January, and was on its way to $5 billion in profits for the year.
      According to MarketWatch, DirecTV had $1.31 billion in operating profit in the first quarter of its fiscal year.

      Reading comprehension. Try it some time.

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    8. Re:Costs vs Promises by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Just an informal survey, when's the last time any of you had a 30% raise?

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    9. Re:Costs vs Promises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the medium price range DirecTV package. We lost CLOO (Sleuth) Channel a few months ago with our package due to a price increase from NBC. Now your have to upgrade to the premium package to receive it. Even if Viacom and DTV come to an agreement I am sure it will be more than DTV is paying now so it wouldn't surprise me if they do the same thing with the Viacom channels.

    10. Re:Costs vs Promises by wbav · · Score: 2

      https://xkcd.com/1070/

      I did miss the word couple. My fault there; however, the word couple doesn't always mean the same thing depending on the speaker/writer.

      That said, why does Viacom deserve a raise, when the rest of us are having to do more for less money? Are they dropping ads? Nope. Are they offering more content? Nope.

      In fact from the Viacom website:
      At approximately 11:50 p.m., DirecTV dropped 26 Viacom channels, including:

      Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV, BET, VH1, CMT, Logo, Spike, TV Land, MTV2, VH1 Classic, Palladia, Nick Jr., NickToons, TeenNick, Nickelodeon West, Tr3s, Centric, MTV India, Nickelodeon HD, Comedy Central HD, MTV HD, BET HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD and Spike HD.


      This matches with the claim from DirecTV that Viacom is double counting the HD channels.

      Furthermore, Viacom pulled their full episodes of Colbert/Daily Show for everyone. They'd rather pull content for everyone instead of having a few people get access another way. That's just wrong. Viacom is coming off as a bully here.

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    11. Re:Costs vs Promises by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      To be fair, that's Viacom's estimate, and it's in their best interest to estimate as low as they can get away with. By their estimate, it's something like $144M, whereas DirecTV is calling it $1B.

      Based on my experience with people who display little regard for the truth, the argument indicates the amount is likely right around $400M. Whether that's close to it or not, I don't know. It would surprise me if it was near either quoted figure though.

    12. Re:Costs vs Promises by icebike · · Score: 1

      Except that Viacom charges DirectTV by the number of customers.
      They have a pretty darn good estimate of that number.
      And they set the prices.

      I see less reason for them to sign a contract based on a LIE and then try to collect later. That just makes no sense.

      DirectTV, on the other hand pockets every penny they can pinch. They have to buck-up the customers that they are inconveniencing and invoke the shared suffering mantra that they are doing this for them.

      I pretty much think both sides are telling the truth, just disguising it in different numbers. 30% sounds way more draconian than 2 cents.
      But DirectTV never tells you 30% of WHAT?

      So who used the most slippery salesman technique? Just figure that out and you know who to believe.

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    13. Re:Costs vs Promises by penguinbrat · · Score: 1

      This kind of leads to something I've been wondering about lately - essentially as to why this 'war' has been going no where. I've been wondering if the content providers are so clueless and seemingly ignoring their "supposed" customers, is because we are NOT their customers by a long shot - DirectTV/ComCast/TimeWarner/etc.. are their customers, we just happen to be their customers customers - ie: we have been bitching/complaining to the wrong players...

      I remember a ways back (10yrs?) when Comcast(?) decided that paying extra for Disney was not going to be an option anymore, instead EVERYONE would pay an extra $5/mo and get it for 'free' whether you wanted it or not - there was none of this grandstanding going on. Back then there was no competition (except geographically) for the distribution empire, now there is streaming in the likes of NetFlix and Amazon - so I'm starting to really wonder if the distributors are who is really being caught in the middle of all this, the content providers HAVE been catering to "their" customers the best they can (we just are not them) and 7 yrs (?) later, the content providers are asking for an increase on their product - with how lawsuit happy this great(?) nation has become, I could see that from the legal side alone.

      I purchased ROKU a couple of years ago, afterwards with in a few months I was hardly flipping on the cable box (DirecTV - where I did have their high end package) - nothing was ever on, Im not a big sports fan, and everything else was either depressing news, reruns or some reality show. DirecTV continued to give me discounts left and right to stay with them - even at one point getting their services for free for about 6 months, after that and realizing I NEVER use their service anymore I pulled the plug. The customer service rep(s) fought valiantly for me as a customer, all the while claiming they have never heard of NetFlix/ROKU or Amazon streaming, although in the end lost..

      This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've heard of these types of fights going on between the distributors and the providers in the last few years - could it be that the providers DO have legit reasons to raise their cost (I mean 7yrs later I would think there is some kind of increase) the distributors are seeing the writing on the wall - and simply getting scared? As someone else has mentioned, NetFlix already has a TON of kids shows on it, and for a mere drop in the bucket compared to cable/satellite - it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that the distributors are going to loose customers over this - and probably for good, its just a matter of how many, I mean how many are on the verge and have been thinking about it/testing the waters already?

    14. Re:Costs vs Promises by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Which means diddly squat.
      In court is where it will be decided.

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    15. Re:Costs vs Promises by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      Fine, let's take the lowball of $144M. DirecTV has a well-known number of customers, namely 20,000,000. Viacom's channels are part of core programming, so everyone gets them. We divide $144M by 20M and we get $7.20 per subscriber per year. Okay, easy enough, that's a $0.60 per month increase, matching Viacom's claim of "pennies" per month. (60 pennies is still less than a dollar.)

      DirecTV is putting a dollar figure on all their scrolls, a number I haven't seen Viacom deny. That number is $1,000,000,000 per year. Dividing by number of customers, that's $50 per customer, per year, or about $4.25 per month increase in the bill. Guess what, 425 pennies is still "pennies" per month.

      If we go with your estimate of splitting the difference, it's $20 per year, and $1.75 per month. Again, if you want to stretch the term, it's still "pennies per month."

      Now, if DirecTV is lying about the $1B number, why is Viacom not shouting "Liar Liar!" from the rooftops and giving out the real number instead? All they give us is "pennies per month" which describes absolutely *nothing* in terms of actual cost, other than greater than $0.01, since it's plural.

      Both sides are using semantics. One is using them to defend my wallet, the other to pick my pocket. I know which side I'm naturally going to come down on.

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    16. Re:Costs vs Promises by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      You expect a company to "absorb the costs". Hey, great idea, let's do that to all companies out there. You know, it costs more to make a car now than in 1903, when cars cost $800. You should go in to your local dealership and tell them they should "absorb the cost" of the increases from their suppliers. It's only fair, right? Heck, when I was a kid in the 70's cars were under $3000, and that's like a promise to me, so they should sell me a car at the cost it was when I was born, right?

      Get real, it's not a rental contract. They wrote into the contract that they will pass on substantial cost increases to the consumer. Go get your contract, read it. It's in there. You signed it. Tough luck.

      And, yes, if they can't resolve the issue with Viacom, then they should offer a rate reduction of between $1.20 and $10 per month (see calculations in another message) which is the cost of the Viacom channels. I expect if they truly reach an impasse, that's what they'll do.

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    17. Re:Costs vs Promises by icebike · · Score: 1

      This is nothing at all like buying a car. So right out of the gate you FAIL.

      Its a contract for a fixed level of service at a fixed price for a time certain.

      They aren't passing on the cost increase, they are arbitrarily reducing the service and maintaining the same price.
      Even if the wrote it into the contract that they were allowed to do this, its dishonest, especially when DirectTV themselves are the ones holding up the negotiation without even once asking their customers if they would agree to pay two cents more per month.

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    18. Re:Costs vs Promises by sjames · · Score: 1

      Since it's trivial, you won't mind paying it then, right?

    19. Re:Costs vs Promises by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Oh, I didn't mean to say they were trying to get a contract signed on a lie. Rather, I meant that the approximation they publicly put forth is in their best interest from a publicity perspective, as this is a very public dispute now.

      Regardless of the sleaziness of the technique used, both are salesmen and neither appear to be telling the entire truth. The latter is what leads me to believe neither of them.

    20. Re:Costs vs Promises by icebike · · Score: 1

      Since it's trivial, you won't mind paying it then, right?

      Exactly.

      Its trivial, about two cents per day per subscriber per month.
      I would not be all that upset if my bill went up by $7.30 per year

      If I were a subscriber, and those programs were important to me, I'd be happy to pay two cents per day to
      have them available. But DirectTV isn't giving THAT option either. They keep the bill the same and reduce
      the content.

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    21. Re:Costs vs Promises by sjames · · Score: 1

      And when you also get to spend another $0,02/day for ESPN (not optional), and another for the quilting channel (not optional) and yet another for the haircut channel (yes, non-optional) The Lint channel (you get the idea) and of course, the tiddlywinks channel, you'll be fine with that too?

      Of course, once any carrier gets the rep for accepting any old offer and just passing the extra costs on to the consumer, they'll start demanding larger increases as well.

      DirecTV isn't offering the OPTION of paying more and keeping the Viacom channels because Viacom isn't offering that option. Viacom demands all or nothing and a 30% price hike.

    22. Re:Costs vs Promises by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      I've already demonstrated elsewhere in this thread that it's not "two cents a month". That's a number you've pulled firmly out your backside. The real number is somewhere between $0.60 and nearly $5 a month, depending on whose numbers you take as gospel. It's also been three days since this happened. I can guarantee you haven't gotten your next bill yet to see whether or not DirecTV *has* cut your billing.

      It amazes me how you blame everything here on DirecTV, who is a distributor of goods, and not on the manufacturer of those goods that is demanding an increase in prices. Do you expect the grocery store to eat the cost when the price of milk goes up from the distributor?

      You point out that DirecTV wants to make a profit as if that were some horrible thing. Ask yourself how much profit they have to make to pay to launch a $2B satellite so you can watch Sponge Bob? And then you want them to have redundancy, so it's not just one satellite but two or three. And then everyone wants their local channels available, so it's not 200 channels, it's 2000 or more. Each satellite only has so much capacity. And when you reach that limit, it's another $2B to add the next channel. These aren't minor costs, and they can't pass those costs on to the customer. That's *their* cost of doing business. The only cost they can control at all is how much they pay to the suppliers for content to rebroadcast. And you criticize them for doing that.

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  22. there should be a legal provision by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    for consumer reimbursement in such cases

    you'd see these situations get settled long before the consumer suffers

    but i guess the average consumer, because they don't have a lobbyist, doesn't get a say

    perhaps it is good then: no tv, maybe they'll get off their asses and agitate or vote

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    1. Re:there should be a legal provision by geekoid · · Score: 1

      As long as they don't raise the prices of peoples current contract, there really isn't any cause for the consumers to sue.

      If they raise it mid contract, that's a different issue.

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  23. TimeWarner has also dropped ABC (Hearst) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hearst says "you can still watch with antenna or satellite", but the irony is that here in Hawaii, ABC content is relayed to neighbor islands via TWC fiber.

    ABC "solved" the problem by simply powering down their transmitters; you can only watch KITV with antenna if you're also on Oahu.

    Even if I wanted to install cable to watch ABC, there's no cable on my street.

    How ironic: CAPCHA is "consumes".

  24. Net neutrality by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Net neutrality: ensuring that the Internet does not become like this.

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  25. I think it's about Epix as well by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    I think it's about Epix as well.

    HAY DIRECTV want to keep the Viacom channels then you must add EPIX in the tear that we want.

    Look out comcast you may be next.

    1. Re:I think it's about Epix as well by logical_failure · · Score: 1

      EPIX, EPIX2, and EPIXDR are awesome. They're showing first rate, blockbuster movies - before they even hit Netflix streaming - plus, EpixDR is showing all the awesome campy B movies..

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    2. Re:I think it's about Epix as well by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      yes but it's about cost Viacom likely wants EPIX as part of a basic pack and NOT on it's own.

    3. Re:I think it's about Epix as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so is that what you do when you're not trolling slashdot in your parent's basement - you're watching movies on their tv in their basement?

      confirmed: - logical_failure = damn_registrars

  26. Someone needed to stand up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every year its the same thing, the media companies like Viacom push for more cash, and produce shows that have baked in advertising, time-slots that are overrun with commercials, and bundle in channels that either don't make sense anymore or are useless. Meanwhile TWC, DirectTV and other TV subscription providers have to jack up rates to support both gaining money for themselves as well as paying for these increases. Hopefully one day ale-cart pricing / tv can be achieved...

    Personally I don't feel that I should have to pay to watch TV. I get plenty of channels OTA and these local broadcast stations have been sustainable and profitable.... I also feel that services like Hulu, Netfix, ITunes and Amazon might be the future of TV, but it require of shift from the consumer from "vegging out" in front of a TV to actually WANTING to watch the shows they pay for.

  27. Give up the addiction by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cancel your cable. Go outside and enjoy it while it's still free.

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    1. Re:Give up the addiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and while it still actually exists

    2. Re:Give up the addiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cancel your cable. Go outside and enjoy it while it's still free.

      I would gladly pay money to avoid going outside.

      And, in fact, I do. It's hot out, I like my air conditioning, which costs me money.

    3. Re:Give up the addiction by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      In triple digit heat? Keep your liberal, cactus-hugging, Saharan temperatures, hippie!

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    4. Re:Give up the addiction by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Hey now, don't put that guys douche baggery on to liberals.

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  28. In case you were wondering. by Steauengeglase · · Score: 3, Informative

    They own the following (via Wikipedia):

    MTV, MTV2, MTV Tr3Âs, MTV Desi, MTV Hits, MTV Jams, mtvU, Nickelodeon, Nick 2/Nick at Nite, Nick Jr., TeenNick, Nicktoons, CMT, CMT Pure Country, CMT (Canada) (10%), TV Land, VH1, VH1 Classic, VH1 Soul, BET Networks, BET, BET Hip-Hop, BET Gospel, Centric, Palladia, Comedy Central, Logo, TMF, VIVA and Spike.

    Of course the real loss there is Nickelodeon. Folks have to plop their kids down in front of something and no Nickelodeon or Nick Jr. means crying young 'uns and cancelled service. Not a pleasant thought if I were DirecTV.

    1. Re:In case you were wondering. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix streaming plus a few DVDs we own can replace Nick JR for a while pretty well. So not a huge loss.

    2. Re:In case you were wondering. by PRMan · · Score: 1

      My kids watch Nick shows (iCarly mostly) and they were sad that it was going away, but then I reminded them that there are no new episodes right now and they were fine with it. They also understood that DirecTV shouldn't pay 30% more for the same thing and get nothing extra. It was interesting to see them start to understand how the world works.

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    3. Re:In case you were wondering. by Spectre · · Score: 1

      My kids watch Nick shows (iCarly mostly) and they were sad that it was going away, but then I reminded them that there are no new episodes right now and they were fine with it. They also understood that DirecTV shouldn't pay 30% more for the same thing and get nothing extra. It was interesting to see them start to understand how the world works.

      On the plus side, I'm pretty sure iCarly along with some of the similar shows (Victorious, etc) are usually available on iTunes the day after they are "aired" on Nickelodeon.

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    4. Re:In case you were wondering. by JBHarris · · Score: 1

      PBS Sprout. Better by far than Nickelodeon, and our tax-dollars are paying for the content anyway, so I doubt it costs that much for the cable company to keep it.

  29. you can do it! by jihiggs · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I made the jump from sheep to human over 6 years ago. I moved into a large house with some friends, we had all planned on getting cable tv and internet when we moved in. for some reason, I dont recall why, we couldnt get service hooked up for over a month. not having internet kinda sucked, but there was a coffee shop down the way that had it free. at the end of the waiting period, they finaly hooked up the house, we got internet running and all was well. couple days went by and we said, wait, didnt we buy cable tv? how come we havent hooked it up? looking at each other we asked, uh, do you miss it? we all agreed our lives had become that much richer NOT having cable tv in the house. and we didnt, and I havent ever since. I now rent a room from some people, I have cable hooked up in my room, I have plans to watch mythbusters on sundays, but it never really happens. I cant see myself having cable tv ever again. I have netflix, while the content isnt what it used to be, its still enough for me to unwind after work.

    1. Re:you can do it! by dyingtolive · · Score: 1
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  30. Re:OH COME ON! by arkane1234 · · Score: 0

    No, he was serious.

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  31. Piracy? by dirtaddshp · · Score: 1

    Piracy?.. no, more like corporate greed.

  32. Re:Breaking News - whiny ass nerd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I know the facts sometimes confuse things so I'm sorry to lead with them.
    Slashdot is a user contributed site (like Wikipedia only smarter).

    If nobody thought Viacom/Directv was of any importance (and it isn't) for fifteen
    whole hours, and you were glued to your laptop hitting "refresh" "refresh" "refresh"
    hoping to learn why you couldn't watch Snookie and the other sluts of New Jersey,
    please don't blame Slashdot.

    You could have either submitted the thread yourself,
    or quit whining about it.

    Personally I prefer if you did the latter.

    Mark

  33. Hilarious duelling message scrollers by Gordo_1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    So I have DirecTV and was watching a DVRed show on ComedyCentral last night and noticed that Viacom had added a scrolling message to the bottom of the screen where they published the DirecTV customer service number and told everyone to call DirecTV to protest the removal of Viacom channels. So DirecTV allows that to stand, but shrunk the actual broadcast channel subtly, so they could fit their own scrolling message below the Viacom one telling subscribers that Viacom are greedy bastards that want to charge DirecTV a billion extra dollars for their channels.

    Hilarious. Then it went black at 9pm PDT and switched to one of those generic channel selector guide channels.

    Whatever... I guess I'll have to browse Youtube to get my fill of Tosh.0-style Internet video idiocy for a couple weeks until the babies work out an agreement.

    1. Re:Hilarious duelling message scrollers by PRMan · · Score: 1

      It was an entertaining battle of scrolling text.

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    2. Re:Hilarious duelling message scrollers by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      I hope you saved that. I'd love to see that up on Youtube or something.

    3. Re:Hilarious duelling message scrollers by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      Youtube link please

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  34. Antitrust? by jgoemat · · Score: 2

    Of course the real loss there is Nickelodeon.

    Of all these channels, the only one I really care about is Comedy Central, but I might watch something on Spike every once in a while. Do you think Viacom would be doing this if we could buy individual channels? They make money from ads which they bombard us with more and more every year. I think Viacom would be happy that their ads are getting to more households. I find it ridiculous that I have to pay for BET Gospel and CMT Pure Country when all I want to watch is South Park.

    1. Re:Antitrust? by artemis67 · · Score: 1

      Of all these channels, the only one I really care about is Comedy Central

      That's by design. Look at that channel list again; they are all tightly focused on particular demographic groups.

    2. Re:Antitrust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been praying for years that one day we could just add single channels instead of having to deal with 'packages'. I could care less about 90% of channels, whether it was when I was with Cox Communications, or now DirecTV. The way I see it just $100 DirecTV bill should be about $40

    3. Re:Antitrust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you realize that DirecTV and Viacom will still need to get the same amount of money to support their services, no matter how many you subscribe to. There is no marginal cost to transmit additional channels to you, so there is no savings from people only subscribing to the channels they want to watch.

      What do you think will happen when then un-bundle? It's not like Viacom will decide they need less money, instead of taking the total amount of money they need and dividing it by the number of subscribers, they'll take the total amount of money they need and divide it by the total number of channels subscribed to. If they used to need $2 per subscriber and your average subscriber gets 4 channels, they'll just charge $0.50 per channel. If you like only one or two of their channels, you can save a tiny amount of money. If you want more, your rates will actually go up unless you can find something else to unsubscribe to.

      I suppose an alternative is that rates go down overall, but we get more commercials. Either way, plenty of people would pay more and get less, so there's no real advantage to it.

      dom

  35. Please sign in to your cable or sat account by tepples · · Score: 1

    All the good parts of the Daily Show and spinoffs are available legally on the 'net anyway.

    How long until the sites that legally make The Daily Show and The Colbert Report available require the user to sign into an account provided by a participating cable or satellite provider? (See this Slashdot article.)

    1. Re:Please sign in to your cable or sat account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've had the opportunity to do that for like five years now and they haven't. Right now they stick commercials between the segments in the online stream; I assume that makes more money than trying to get something more out of the cable companies.

    2. Re:Please sign in to your cable or sat account by evilRhino · · Score: 1

      Why would Viacom force you to sign up for a service that can drop them a provider that can unceremoniously drop them? I think the endgame will be providing content over a series of tubes.

    3. Re:Please sign in to your cable or sat account by Whatanut · · Score: 1

      Why would they. Those sites are a complete end run around the cable/satellite companies. With the the cable/satellite partners they sell their content and walk away. The cable/satellite companies charge the end users for the content and then lather it up with advertising to get as much money as possible out of it. The web sites that make the shows available provide the content straight from the source and tack on the same advertising. It's just straight profit for the content creator (used loosely). Why should they care if you have a cable/satellite account? They're still making profits either way.

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  36. Re:OH COME ON! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Think so? You watch.. The person that settles this dispute will be the next president, and more worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.

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  37. Jello Biafra saw this coming... by Reasonable+Facsimile · · Score: 1
    Thank deity-of-choice that it finally came true...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDcfPZOBiow

  38. ala carte? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe we'll finally get ala carte this way with content providers leaving the distribution services and streaming from their own servers.

  39. I have to side with DirecTV here by wbav · · Score: 1

    So apparently Viacom is even taking away their free streaming services to keep people on DirecTV from seeing the Daily Show/Colbert.

    DirecTV gave numbers, 30% increase where as Viacom said "pennies a day". Pennies a day add up to dollars a week and hundreds a year.

    DirecTV also pointed out 8 of the 26 Viacom channels going away were HD versions of the same channel, so it is double counting. I don't see Viacom countering these arguments.

    In a time when people are being asked to do more for frozen wages or even pay cuts, why does Viacom deserve a raise? If they were cutting commercials sure. Giving me more value for my money, that's great. As it stands they are asking for more just to see if they can get it.

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    1. Re:I have to side with DirecTV here by aztec+rain+god · · Score: 1

      Dear Viacom- Do you want people to be able to watch your crap, or not?

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    2. Re:I have to side with DirecTV here by luther349 · · Score: 1

      its a move that works because dish caved the first time they did it. it seems they forget they are in control of there networks not the content providers. because every day those channels are not on direct tv they are losing millions of views and ads a day.

  40. Happened before by Verdatum · · Score: 1

    The same thing happened with Viacom and Dish Network. The whole thing was just a bargaining tactic. As I recall, Dish Network lost viacom channels for about a day, and then they worked out a deal.

    1. Re:Happened before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same thing with Performing Rights Society - which collects royalties for musicians in the UK and their little spat with Youtube a few years ago. PRS wanted multiple times increases in license payments and Google said no...and blocked any content licensed through PRS.

      PRS expressed their outrage that Google had blocked users accessing their videos, conveniently forgetting that that was exactly what their license said. They soon settled, by which I am assuming that the PRS suddenly realized just how much free marketing and advertising they were loosing without the Youtube channel to the youf pound and decided that they can't have their cake and eat it too.

      Wonder how much advertising revenue Viacom is now loosing as a result of reduction in viewer numbers through DirectTV?

  41. Moving On by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I moved from one apartment to another one summer, when nothing is on anyway, and forgot to restart the cable.

    That fall I bought a HomeRunHD to capture over the air content and it got way ahead of me recording shows, so much so I never bothered watching them.

    I'm a NetFlix subscriber, but watch like one first run movie a month.

    The inconvenience factor just drove me out of the market, the convenience factors of alternatives like online streaming kept me out of the market.

    I use to worry friends and family would all be talking about the latest episodes of their favorite shows.. and found out they rarely did. What did they talk about? Commercials.. the good ones, which you could see on YouTube on demand.

    Star Trek DS9 had a reference to TV in the early 21st century, about how it died a quick death because people found better things to do. That might just turn out to be prophetic.

  42. Kickstarter Anyone? by joelwhitehouse · · Score: 0

    Subscriber Joe pays DirecTV $100/mo for his family to watch TV shows. DirecTV gives some of the money to Viacom to produce shows, but the show production costs are actually covered by advertisements aimed at Joe's kids. The advertisers costs are eventually covered when Joe buys licensed Viacom toys, back-to-school supplies, and happy meals. So the shows that Joe's family watches cost him more than just what he pays DirecTV anyway.

    But this year, Joe's budget is tighter and he isn't buying as many happy meals. Advertisers have noticed and aren't willing to pay Viacom as much for ad time on Nickelodeon. With ad sales down, Viacom is trying to make up the shortfall from their distributors, like DirecTV. DirecTV can compensate by raising subscriber fees, or charging more for ads, or both. The result will be an increase in Joe's monthly bill.

    Subscriber Joe's entertainment would be cheaper if he stopped paying $100/month for his kid's eyeballs to be proselytized everyday. His money would go a lot farther on Kickstarter, funding open-licensed documentary/cartoon/comedy/reality shows that he wants to be produced.

  43. Percentage of bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It makes me wonder how much of the average cable/satellite bill goes to content providers. I bet it is at least a third.

  44. We shouldn't be involved in this to begin with. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #1) If you goto directtvpromise.com and "Listen to what our customers are saying"... All posts are MODERATED. Thus, you only hear what the "pro-DTV" people are saying.. I don't appreciate the censorship DTV! Let your customers REALLY be heard!

    #2) This isn't our problem. Its DTVs. No-- it's not Viacom's problem. They are a business, and have business and financial needs. DTV promised its customers with a certain level of programming and expectation of service in exchange for a contract (yeah-- I know the BS fine print, can change programming etc.. but there is a level of service to maintain the integrity of that that contract)

    #3) CUSTOMERS should NOT be brought into this battle to take sides. They (we) are ill informed by the propaganda, and bullshit both sides are spewing, and quite frankly don't give a rats ass. They should provide the programming as promised, resolve their issues, pay back-payments as necessary, etc... and (if needed) upon contract expiration, raise customer rates as needed, but I don't give a shit to hear both sides piss in each other mouths. July 11th was annoying to see DTV and ViaCom BS Banners pissing on each other.

    #4) I, like many others, have called DTV and gotten a crap load of discounts, free premium channels, etc... because of this. Don't expect me to pay the same $/month when I'm loosing 17 (yeah-yeah-26 if u count SD) channels! .... and honestly ... people, if viacom's programming sucked SO BAD... you wouldn't be here bitching, now would you? Yes.. you miss Comedy Central, Spike, Nick, hell.. even MTV.

    I do believe that viacom is at least being upfront-- "We want more $". Period. DTV isn't trying to save us money by refusing to pay the increase. They are trying to maintain their enormous profit margins.

    Now, if DTV were like a gas station... I get what I pay for... and they don't have unleaded that day, I don't get gas there, but I also don't pay for it, and goto another gas station. Annoying perhaps, but at least I'm not paying for gas I'm not getting.

    DTV has also been involved in malicious acts of accusing people of hacking their systems in the past, and taking people to court on bogus accusations... they are far from innocent! Like I said.. at least Viacom is being honest!

  45. ain't missing much.... by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    ... at least for me but I missed the days when they showed old movies OTA on late nights. Saw all kinds of films I never would have known to exist. I only had to put with watching ads with Cal Worthington and his dog Spot (which can be anything from a tiger to an armadillo) and ambulance chasing lawyers saying, "If you are involved in a serious automobile accident, you need to seek legal advice immediately!" [don't bother calling paramedics].

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  46. DirecTV is a dead man walking by lophophore · · Score: 1

    Broadcasting is dying, especially TV broadcasting

    DirecTV's one-way service was very interesting and high-tech in 1995.

    However, "broadband" Internet penetration has rendered this technology obsolete except in remote, rural areas.

    Comcast knows this, which is why they have invested heavily in Hulu. (The new) AT&T also knows this, which is why their UVerse service is another IPTV implementation)

    Like many other posters have written, why pay so much for satellite or cable TV, when you can pay a lot less to (legally) stream, to watch what you want, when you want it?

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    1. Re:DirecTV is a dead man walking by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Comcast? BFD. They don't own the content, they are still behooven to their masters: Viacom et. al.

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    2. Re:DirecTV is a dead man walking by lophophore · · Score: 1

      Oh really?

      Ever hear of NBC Universal?

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    3. Re:DirecTV is a dead man walking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Broadcast TV will be around for hundreds of years. Just cause a bunch of geeks do something doesn't mean it's going to be the wave of the future.

      Sure getting your content on demand via broadband is handy, but you greatly oversimplify the matter. Why pay for TV? Because there is simply too much content out there that you can't get via those services you mentioned, and half the time they make it a major pain in the ass.

  47. This is not the first time and will not be the las by wkhtl · · Score: 1

    I signed up just to comment on this story. This is not the first time DirecTV has done this with the guise of customer prices. Last year it was NatGeo and a few other channels. Before that it was Versus (before NBC changed it.) This is an ongoing theme with DirecTV where a contract comes back around and they almost automatically shut down and refuse to make a deal until the company accepts. This can last some time. I realize Comedy Central is not a huge loss for everyone, but next time it could be a group of channels you do care about and it will be no different, and I'm personally pretty sick of it. I have a year left on my contract and will not continue it. I'll use ESPN3 and NetFlix I guess.

  48. Might as well give up by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    But don't blame me if I amass a pr0n collection that could outmatch Bin Laden's.

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  49. R.I.P. Television by Jetra · · Score: 0

    1920(?) - 2012

    Notable Shows and Movies:
    Futurama
    Simpsons
    South Park
    Seinfeld
    Big Bang Theory
    Independence Day
    1.000 Ways to Die

    Please proceed with the Nostalgia trip

  50. Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't watch any Viacom channels on DirecTV anyway. My wife is pissed, but only because of TV Land of all channels. That's the only Viacom channel that gets any play at our home.

  51. Re:This is not the first time and will not be the by PRMan · · Score: 2

    I, for one, am very happy they do this. This allows them to have the broadest selection of channels for the lowest price.

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  52. But... But... by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    They're subbing in "The Soccer Channel," "The Lesbians Talking About Their Vaginas Channel" and "CSPAN 4" to make up for it! That should pretty much be a wash, shouldn't it?

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  53. Notshow business... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Funny

    First they came for MTV,
    and I didn't speak out because it had died twenty years ago.

    Then they came for Comedy Central,
    and I didn't speak out because it's a big loop of the same old stuff.

    Then they came for the Kardashians,
    and I bought them lunch and a full tank of gas.

    I know E! is not owned by Viacom, but a person can dream, can't they?

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    1. Re:Notshow business... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First they came for MTV,

      and I didn't speak out because it had died twenty years ago.

      Then they came for Comedy Central,

      and I didn't speak out because it's a big loop of the same old stuff.

      Then they came for the Kardashians,

      and I bought them lunch and a full tank of gas.

      I know E! is not owned by Viacom, but a person can dream, can't they?

      :) *thumbs Up*

  54. Fuck Viacom by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    Go ahead....take your crappy programming off of DirecTV. See if I care. Your channel lineup sucks. Now a days about the only thing I watch live on tv is the evening news and sporting events. Everything else gets DVR'd and I catch up on it when I'm bored. Or maybe I just delete it without ever watching it...whatever. My wife likes watching international programming that DirectTV has so I keep it connected for her. Otherwise I'd give the dish back and go to Netflicks....or maybe just find better things to do with my time.

  55. Re:Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be thinking of a different website.

  56. Here are the numbers by Envy+Life · · Score: 1

    Cable TV was never advertised as commercial free outside of the subscription channels, just a wider selection of channels without the need to constantly fiddle with the rabbit-ears, and some premium options to boot

    Viacom says the increase is "pennies per day" implying that DirecTV is obligated to suck up the cost and not pass it on to the consumer, and DirecTV says it's a 30% increase amounting to $1B. The calculations actually seem to match, amounting to something like $0.02 per day increase for 20 million customers is 146M/year or $1B over 7 years. So what does that mean, Viacom wants to go from $.06/day to $0.08/day? That would mean Viacom wants $2.40/month per subscriber out of DirecTV's $29.99 retail minimum subscription fee. Assuming 50% of which is the retail markup, means 16% of DirecTV's wholesale cost would be going to Viacom. Seems like a large enough chunk for DirecTV to complain about.

    Content providers need bundling to stay alive, you know tax everyone regardless of whether or not they use the service. I just don't see that inflation has gone up 30% in 7 years do you? consumers would like a-la-carte, but content providers would find it difficult to fund any of the lesser channels, and we can see quite a few good series shunned by big networks being picked up by cable channels like The Walking Dead, so bundling isn't actually as terrible as it seems

    1. Re:Here are the numbers by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      funding the lesser channels on the shoulders of the popular/wanted ones. a tax! or...

      why, that's soshalizm!

      and so, why aren't the republicans up in arms about this? why don't we have a-la-carte channels and let the invisible hand of the market push the good channels along and hold the sucky ones back?

      why? because invisible hands don't work. and because a greater common good sometimes SHOULD over-rule money-grubbing big business.

      why we allow such 'key infrastructure' (hey, to americans, entertainment is!) to be owned and and terms dictated to us, I'll never understand. we all suffer when the greedy media companies get to decide on the business model we all have to live with.

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    2. Re:Here are the numbers by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      why, that's soshalizm!

      No, it's not. I don't have to buy cable, and I don't. (But if they did offer a la carte, I might.)

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    3. Re:Here are the numbers by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I love how a it is possible for people to complain about the free market in a given area where a free market doesn't exist. Cable providers have a local monopoly granted by your local. If they didn't have a monopoly then the invisible hand might actually work but as it stands now it doesn't have to give the customers what they want as there is only one choice. So that basically leaves you with 2 options buying cable or telling the cable company to stuff it. I chose the stuff it option, and every time the Charter guys are going door to door in my neighborhood I let them know why I won't buy their product.

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  57. The permanent solution is a la carte billing by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Let us all pick the channels we want, or much finer-grained package choices. But, until the service providers bite the bullet, they'll continue to be extorted by the content providers.

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    1. Re:The permanent solution is a la carte billing by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Tat's exactly what direct TV wants to do. Viacom won't sell it to them that way.

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  58. Direct TV Dropping Viacom Channels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had Direct TV for many years, but this is the last straw! As far as I'm concerned, Direct TV has broken their contract with all its consumers, and they'll lose a ton of money. Hooray for us, screw Direct TV, and "Hello" Dish Network!

    1. Re:Direct TV Dropping Viacom Channels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous coward? Kiss my fucking ass...... I've got your fucking "anonymous coward!" Nowhere did it say a name needed to be inserted! Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!

  59. Hypocritical??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it most amusing that DirecTV is complaining about Viacom making bundles?

    I called them today and said that I wanted what DirecTV wants. I want to pick out just a few channels and only pay for them.

    They told me no??? I told them to disconnect my service.

  60. Strange Irony or Deliberate? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    Is it deliberate that the page I'm reading this story on has an ad for DirectTV at the top?

  61. Re:Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    discuss them intelligently

    Hi. You must be new here.

  62. Shooting the entire industry in the foot? by thogard · · Score: 1

    This may be the wake up call that many advertisers get to fully understand the link between what the advertising block buyers were telling them vs real sales figures. If the people who run ads on TV ever find out how useless they are, it will end TV as we know it.

    Take one of the largest Advertisers like Coke. This will result in more people being out side and more people buying their high profit products which will increase their sales figures. Unfortunately their ad agency will be claiming it's a result of all the Olympics Coke ads and the ad buyers at Coke will snort up those claims like they were provable facts.

    TV has been trying to show advertising in a good light since the days of the back and white sitcom when ad men were always shown as the moral and honest ones (Bewitched is the best example of this). More ad buyers need to remember that it's not the end product that is the advertisers product, it's getting suckers to buy the useless commercials that is their product.

  63. Viacom by geekoid · · Score: 1

    wanted another billion dollar for direct TV to show their reruns. Reruns available elsewhere for less.

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  64. IT's viacom by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Viacom wants another billion from direct TV to play reruns.

    Netflix sucks. Viacom, and other content owners, keep changing the amounts and netflix keeps loosing content.

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  65. Daily Show and Colbert Report by markjhood2003 · · Score: 1

    Probably the best shows Viacom has to offer, and they're both on break right now. I predict that Viacom and DirecTV will resolve their difficulties before they're off break on Monday the 16th and the shit really hits the fan.

  66. Let the customers decide by Skapare · · Score: 1

    À la carte menus FTW!

    \o/

    Those who think Viacom is worth 30% more can continue their subscription to those channels. Those who don't can quit. It's time to end the table d'hôte channel lineup.

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  67. So basically DirecTV said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Viacom Dios!

  68. Not really a drop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think it's so much that DirecTV dropped Viacom as much as Viacom quit sending their signal to DirecTV so that their customers are stuck.

    Let's ditch our cable/satellite/etc. and just stream (where possible: I know everybody doesn't have massive bandwidth available) the shows that we like to watch. This might send a message if more people did this.

  69. Small claims court. by Animats · · Score: 1

    If they give you any runaround, take'm to small claims court.

    I did that with freelancer.com last week. They owed me a few hundred dollars, and were being difficult about transferring the funds through standard banking channels.

    They're in Australia, and New South Wales allows on-line filing of small claims cases. After a disappointing go-round with customer support, I spent about 20 minutes filing a case. Once the case is filed, the court's system generates a PDF file with all the info. I sent a copy of that to Freelancer.com with no other comments.

    Within four hours, they'd agreed to send a wire transfer to my bank. Two days later (the 4th of July slowed things down) the funds were in my bank in the US.

  70. I seem to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    remember we were promised (before we actually got cable TV) that cable TV would be commercial free. Why does anyone pay for the commercial infested crap that is on cable or sattelite TV anyway? Why pay for what has become mostly commercials with crappy programs for a few minutes in between?

    Hollyweed needs to learn that we don't value their commercial infested crap anymore! Vote with your wallet! Switch to Netflix and similar streaming services! Don't pay for Hulu Plus, they have commercials!!

  71. a-la-carte programming exists, available in most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a-la-carte programming exists, available in most ...

    cities and towns (US at least).

    It is called the library, and inter-library loan. I can watch (almost) any premium shows I want, movies, many documentaries and science shows - etc. - just have to wait a few months at most (And a lot is availble within a few days). Sometimes a year, it's OK. Because it is (essentially) FREE! (Library is paid for by taxes and sometimes grants, but most have no choice but to pay that anyway.)

    News and PBS you can get over the air, on radio if TV is unavailable. Sports - meh, if sports are important to you, pay through the nose or go to the local bar.

    Like it or not, as cable costs go up (and the economy continues to suck) more and more people will choose to (or be forced to) this model. The content providers will have to adapt. Too bad, so sad.

  72. Drops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with hoping for drops is that it punishes everyone. My directv loyalty might be misguided, but I won't even consider that argument given that they gave me an entire Super Rugby season for free. 6 months ago, I liked the sport, would tune in for 6 Nations, World Cup every 4 years etc. But every match of an entire season? Now I love the sport and owe it to directv. Imagine your NFL, MLB, NHL, whatever, and then imagine that someone gave you every second of live play for a year. They'll keep getting my money until someone else pulls it from their cold dead hands

  73. Riddle me this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Riddle me this, Viacom. Who sees your programming if it is not on TV and not on the internet? No one, that's who.

  74. No big loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't watch any Viacom channels anyway.

  75. Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read a book or do something useful rather than watching semi-adult cartoons and reality TV. It seems America has an epidemic of 35 year old immature teenagers.

  76. Re:I don't see much to miss (Futurama?) by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

    WHAT! NO new episodes of Futurama! No way!

  77. Both pay TV and advertiser revenue by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why would they. Those sites are a complete end run around the cable/satellite companies.

    WatchESPN.com requires a valid pay TV subscription because ESPN relies on both revenue from pay TV operators and revenue from advertisers. With only revenue from pay TV operators, or with only revenue from advertisers, ESPN wouldn't be able to outbid other networks for exclusive television rights to professional sport leagues.

  78. vote with your dollars. by lavcoyote25 · · Score: 0

    is time for a class action lawsuit that will FORCE these assholes to deliver what they say they are supposed to deliver by their contracts. NO MORE FINE PRINT. if there is more fine print than actual contract - walk away from that provider. don't get attached to the one eyed demon box. start reading more. go outside and get some exercise, lord knows we all need it. or don't, just keep accepting things the way they are and before long all you will be watching are adverts and reruns... oh, hey!!! isn't that whats happening now? funny right???

  79. Re:Daily Show full episodes by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

    I feel that I earn my view by watching the commercials (or muting them whilst I dash for a fresh brew), and I resent being a pawn in Viacom's failed negotiations.
    I already eschew the CCTV and Satellite television as they are not worthwhile for my purposes.
    Greedy Bastards.

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  80. Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ALL of Nickelodeon is what there is to miss.