That's fine as long as you realize that some of these targets don't necessarily represent all of us. Some of us are equally disgusted by them and what kind of nonsense they preach and try to propagate.
Our influence overall is quite positive even if there are some of us trying hard to ruin it for everyone.
Of course the obvious problem is WHAT you teach and WHO is teaching it. If the school is run by radical Jihadists, then the whole "education" thing isn't going to work out like you think.
> Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical. I'm sure "Facebook hater" was already blocked from generating an ad.
You mean like hating Nazis or monopolies or patent trolls?
Oddly enough, I never saw one. People make such a big deal about the Japanese vending machines but all I ever saw were ones with (non-alcoholic) drinks.
> So they took a sleek consumer device and strapped an aftermarket 3rd party barcode scanner onto it and wondered why the hardware behaved like a big kludge?
Suuure. A PC with a peripheral attached is a "big kludge".
YOU are why Trump got elected. It's reductive nonsense like this where one of our key founding principles is turned into something nobody should be concerned about.
When some of us pine for the "good old days", it's not over Jim Crow. We want to see old school classical liberalism again.
> You need to stop and think about what free speech actually means. Your beloved First Amendment, that only applies to the government curtailing your speech.
It's a principle that is valued as the cornerstone of democracy.
You are attempting to use a "legalistic" argument to pretty much completely ignore a principle. You want to pretend that free speech is only defined by a single bit of law. You are eager to demonstrate WHY that law exists.
If not for that law, people JUST LIKE YOU would use the government to do bad things.
The Bill of Rights is not a comprehensive list of human rights. It's merely a set of limits placed on the federal government.
> Oppressors and the oppressed are not morally interchangeable. It's amazing that there are still people that don't get that.
We don't get it because it's WRONG. You are trying to claim that moral rules obey identity politics. That's pretty much the opposite of what liberalism is supposed to believe in. All rules apply to everyone equally.
You don't get a free pass or an automatic death sentence just because of a label someone can hang on you.
So you didn't hear about the Cuisinart blade recall then? I had a food processor that was at least 10 years old covered under this. The replacement blade came on a slow boat from China but it was free and eventually made it.
I know people with 30 year old stand mixers. I expect to be able to get spare parts for mine when mine is that old.
That's kind of why I bought it (and the Cuisinart) and stopped buying the cheap crap.
Apple consented to this kind of thing the moment they started to claim that they make better quality. They like to make all of the noises of a luxury brand without actually following through.
> making survival a "pain in the ass" seems to me to be an invitation to criminality
No. That's consumerism. Being a professional welfare recipient won't lead to the lifestyle that Hollywood has promised you. So you will have to find some other means of getting those $200 sneakers and whatever else Madison Avenue has told you can't live without.
> 1. I pay with a good plan about 20 euro per month for my smart phone, and 30 euro for my land line... So explain us carefully why smart phone are money thrown out ?
That math only works if you're single. It's also not clear that the $20 smart phone plan really covers anything beyond what your land line would (without extra charges).
You're European plan is probably much better than what's available on this side of the pond.
> Those expenses aren't even close to the same scale. There are plenty of low-end smartphones in the sub-$100 range,
I have actually been that poor and remember it. When you're that poor, the extra $100 for a phone just isn't there. Even an extra $40 isn't there. That's why you're on food stamps.
> Who even makes a 450kWh battery, except the Chinese?
Who makes ANYTHING these days? Where have you been exactly? THIS is why China is the most important country when it comes to pollution. The rest of the developed world has outsourced their dirty industries there.
Actually MAKING stuff in the US is like Trumpie crazy talk.
> The US falls further behind because anyone who participates in 'cooperation' is immediately called a communist and shunned from society.
You are confusing "cooperation" with "mandatory participation" enforced at the barrel of a gun. Nothing is stopping YOU personally from making better choices. The truth is that American consumerism is at odds with what needs to get done here.
It's also a lot easier to get things done when you can just boss everyone around and not have to worry about little niceties such as democracy and literacy.
> Which, funnily enough, is what we consistently do to the Middle East....
Perhaps not as much as the Caliphate does. We don't really have it that badly in the West (and especially the US) when it comes to this stuff. The VAST majority of Islamist terrorism is directed at other Muslims.
What Europe sees is a tiny fraction of what goes on in Muslim countries. What the US sees is a smaller fraction of that.
That makes me feel a lot better about how I pretty much do nothing but shamelessly steal stuff both from Facebook itself as well as the rest of web.:-pppppp
Hillary is special kind of elitist. She thinks she deserved the presidency because her husband was president. She thought she was the American version of nobility. It turns out that it doesn't work that way after all.
> At, that people "becoming more conservative as they age" myth again. Citation?
Young me: Free tuition for everyone is a great idea.
Old me: How are we going to pay for it?
Everyone wants a free rainbow pony. Nobody wants to pay for it. A lot of ideas seem great when you're young a stupid and less exciting once you've been around the block a couple of times and had to manage something.
Working hard on the Trump re-election campaign I see. Even people who consider themselves liberals tire of the insults. It doesn't help that dissent of ANY degree is met with the same screeching response.
You manage to even alienate the classical liberals who would still be center-left if not for the likes of Bernie.
Only rubes whine about corporate bankruptcy. Only rubes get uptight about bankruptcy in general. The whole POINT of modern bankruptcy is so that it doesn't end up as some Dickensian nightmare.
People like you are just confirming that you've been successfully indoctrinated by formal education to be so risk averse you can't really fend for yourself anymore.
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That's fine as long as you realize that some of these targets don't necessarily represent all of us. Some of us are equally disgusted by them and what kind of nonsense they preach and try to propagate.
Our influence overall is quite positive even if there are some of us trying hard to ruin it for everyone.
This idea cracks me up every time I see it.
Of course the obvious problem is WHAT you teach and WHO is teaching it. If the school is run by radical Jihadists, then the whole "education" thing isn't going to work out like you think.
It also smacks of "Communist re-education camps".
> Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical. I'm sure "Facebook hater" was already blocked from generating an ad.
You mean like hating Nazis or monopolies or patent trolls?
Oddly enough, I never saw one. People make such a big deal about the Japanese vending machines but all I ever saw were ones with (non-alcoholic) drinks.
Circle-K had some really strange stuff though.
> So they took a sleek consumer device and strapped an aftermarket 3rd party barcode scanner onto it and wondered why the hardware behaved like a big kludge?
Suuure. A PC with a peripheral attached is a "big kludge".
YOU are why Trump got elected. It's reductive nonsense like this where one of our key founding principles is turned into something nobody should be concerned about.
When some of us pine for the "good old days", it's not over Jim Crow. We want to see old school classical liberalism again.
> You need to stop and think about what free speech actually means. Your beloved First Amendment, that only applies to the government curtailing your speech.
It's a principle that is valued as the cornerstone of democracy.
You are attempting to use a "legalistic" argument to pretty much completely ignore a principle. You want to pretend that free speech is only defined by a single bit of law. You are eager to demonstrate WHY that law exists.
If not for that law, people JUST LIKE YOU would use the government to do bad things.
The Bill of Rights is not a comprehensive list of human rights. It's merely a set of limits placed on the federal government.
> Oppressors and the oppressed are not morally interchangeable. It's amazing that there are still people that don't get that.
We don't get it because it's WRONG. You are trying to claim that moral rules obey identity politics. That's pretty much the opposite of what liberalism is supposed to believe in. All rules apply to everyone equally.
You don't get a free pass or an automatic death sentence just because of a label someone can hang on you.
So you didn't hear about the Cuisinart blade recall then? I had a food processor that was at least 10 years old covered under this. The replacement blade came on a slow boat from China but it was free and eventually made it.
I know people with 30 year old stand mixers. I expect to be able to get spare parts for mine when mine is that old.
That's kind of why I bought it (and the Cuisinart) and stopped buying the cheap crap.
Apple consented to this kind of thing the moment they started to claim that they make better quality. They like to make all of the noises of a luxury brand without actually following through.
Apple likes to pretend it's Craftsman.
>> All my $100 Android phones lasted several years though.
> Was that you I saw standing in the rain waiting for the bus? Did you get home ok?
Sure thing. Flying out of Madrid is easy peasy. It's not like trying to fly out of Rome.
The busses in Madrid go meow. Or perhaps that's Seville I am thinking of.
> People shopped at Whole Foods because they wanted organic apples.
You never needed to go to Whole Foods for organic apples.
> making survival a "pain in the ass" seems to me to be an invitation to criminality
No. That's consumerism. Being a professional welfare recipient won't lead to the lifestyle that Hollywood has promised you. So you will have to find some other means of getting those $200 sneakers and whatever else Madison Avenue has told you can't live without.
> 1. I pay with a good plan about 20 euro per month for my smart phone, and 30 euro for my land line... So explain us carefully why smart phone are money thrown out ?
That math only works if you're single. It's also not clear that the $20 smart phone plan really covers anything beyond what your land line would (without extra charges).
You're European plan is probably much better than what's available on this side of the pond.
> Those expenses aren't even close to the same scale. There are plenty of low-end smartphones in the sub-$100 range,
I have actually been that poor and remember it. When you're that poor, the extra $100 for a phone just isn't there. Even an extra $40 isn't there. That's why you're on food stamps.
> And in the unlikely event that one of the feckless bastards gets a job offer, I'm sure they can be informed by pigeon or something.
Sure. That's what we did to get our messages before the iPhone. We used pigeons.
Sometimes the responses on here look like they came from the Onion.
> Who even makes a 450kWh battery, except the Chinese?
Who makes ANYTHING these days? Where have you been exactly? THIS is why China is the most important country when it comes to pollution. The rest of the developed world has outsourced their dirty industries there.
Actually MAKING stuff in the US is like Trumpie crazy talk.
> The US falls further behind because anyone who participates in 'cooperation' is immediately called a communist and shunned from society.
You are confusing "cooperation" with "mandatory participation" enforced at the barrel of a gun. Nothing is stopping YOU personally from making better choices. The truth is that American consumerism is at odds with what needs to get done here.
It's also a lot easier to get things done when you can just boss everyone around and not have to worry about little niceties such as democracy and literacy.
I bet their trains run on time too.
> Pollution control needs to happen everywhere. Deniers like you will be the death of the planet.
Why would they if you're doing your part and not just leaving it to others to solve the problem?
> Which, funnily enough, is what we consistently do to the Middle East....
Perhaps not as much as the Caliphate does. We don't really have it that badly in the West (and especially the US) when it comes to this stuff. The VAST majority of Islamist terrorism is directed at other Muslims.
What Europe sees is a tiny fraction of what goes on in Muslim countries. What the US sees is a smaller fraction of that.
That makes me feel a lot better about how I pretty much do nothing but shamelessly steal stuff both from Facebook itself as well as the rest of web. :-pppppp
Hillary is special kind of elitist. She thinks she deserved the presidency because her husband was president. She thought she was the American version of nobility. It turns out that it doesn't work that way after all.
> At, that people "becoming more conservative as they age" myth again. Citation?
Young me: Free tuition for everyone is a great idea.
Old me: How are we going to pay for it?
Everyone wants a free rainbow pony. Nobody wants to pay for it. A lot of ideas seem great when you're young a stupid and less exciting once you've been around the block a couple of times and had to manage something.
Working hard on the Trump re-election campaign I see. Even people who consider themselves liberals tire of the insults. It doesn't help that dissent of ANY degree is met with the same screeching response.
You manage to even alienate the classical liberals who would still be center-left if not for the likes of Bernie.
Only rubes whine about corporate bankruptcy. Only rubes get uptight about bankruptcy in general. The whole POINT of modern bankruptcy is so that it doesn't end up as some Dickensian nightmare.
People like you are just confirming that you've been successfully indoctrinated by formal education to be so risk averse you can't really fend for yourself anymore.