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Facebook Enabled Advertisers To Reach 'Jew Haters' (propublica.org)

ProPublica is reporting that Facebook "enabled advertisers to direct their pitches to the news feeds of almost 2,300 people who expressed interest in the topics of 'Jew hater,' 'How to burn jews,' or, 'History of why jews ruin the world.'" The organization even went so far as to test these ad categories by paying $30 to target those groups with three "promoted posts" -- in which a ProPublica article or post was displayed in their news feeds. Facebook reportedly approved all three ads within 15 minutes. From the report: After we contacted Facebook, it removed the anti-Semitic categories -- which were created by an algorithm rather than by people -- and said it would explore ways to fix the problem, such as limiting the number of categories available or scrutinizing them before they are displayed to buyers. In all likelihood, the ad categories that we spotted were automatically generated because people had listed those anti-Semitic themes on their Facebook profiles as an interest, an employer or a "field of study." Facebook's algorithm automatically transforms people's declared interests into advertising categories. [ProPublica provides a screenshot of their ad buying process on the company's advertising portal.]

"There are times where content is surfaced on our platform that violates our standards," said Rob Leathern, product management director at Facebook. "In this case, we've removed the associated targeting fields in question. We know we have more work to do, so we're also building new guardrails in our product and review processes to prevent other issues like this from happening in the future."

253 comments

  1. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who lists "Jew hater" as their occupation on Facebook? Why do I feel like 4chan figured out how their algorithms work and did this to troll FB?

    1. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You believe 4chan abused FB's system as opposed to FB's coders doing a shitty job??

      Ohhkaayyyeee

    2. Re:So... by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do I feel like 4chan figured out how their algorithms work and did this to troll FB?

      I have no idea. There are so many jew hating nut bags polluting the Internet that it isn't the least bit surprising that an ad targeting system generated these categories. Another thing that doesn't cause me even the slightest surprise is that Facebook had to have this pointed out to them; have no doubt that every other conceivable identity group has automated protection already built-in. The only question that might hold a little interest is just how high up the Facebook chain of command did this issue have to go before it reached someone that understood this to be a problem.

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    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait.. there are professional "jew haters"? They get paid?

    4. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are these people supposed to imagine every single possible hateful term that could be used? There are infinite possibilities. They responded in a sensible way.

      Quit sucking your own dick.

    5. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't have one without the other. So if anyone abused it then FB coders did a bad job.

    6. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The code is probably classifier neural nets trained to generate new categories and classify profiles under the categories it generated.... these stuff works awesome, but tend to have the occasional unexpected inappropriate output.

      Similar to how Google's neural net tagged the picture for 2 black guys as gorillas.

    7. Re: So... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think there are actually that many jew-hating nutbags, but the opportunity anonymnity presents encourages and amplifies their hooting and hollering.

    8. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      There was a time when freedom of the press kept fringe ideas from becoming mainstream even if they were held by someone in authority. But in these days of targeted echo chambers and paid placement newsfeed, it is no longer sufficient. We need a new legal framework to ensure that our internet gatekeepers present a balanced view to avoid the spreading of fringe ideas, be it from jew hating white supremacists or jew hating Islamist terrorists. At least they seem to have identified the common factor in the groups that present the biggest threat to society today so they can start to filter them out.

    9. Re:So... by hackwrench · · Score: 2

      I'm interested in the topic of Jew hating and belong to groups like "Exposing the Rothschilds", where some members hate Jews and some wonder if we shouldn't be hating Jews. It doesn't mean that I personally hate Jews.

    10. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes, they're all "nut bags"... "polluting" the internet... That would be right...
      Of course, Jews don't run the Federal Reserve, nor most of the other banks in the world, and Jews don't run 90% of the media in the West, and Jews aren't responsible for forcing every white person on Earth to live in a multi-racial society, despite it being VERY obvious that most white people don't want it... If we wanted to live in a multi-racial society, you wouldn't have had to FORCE it on us, would you?
      So please explain why you believe white people shouldn't be allowed to simply have our own countries any more? Obviously you believe that non-whites are incapable of running their own countries, and have to live around white people to benefit from whatever 'magic' you think we have...

      Or do you have another explanation?

      OOH, THE POOR JEWS!

    11. Re: So... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 0

      Similar to how Google's neural net tagged the picture for 2 black guys as gorillas.

      Why the past tense? While the picture with two black guys (and no gorilla) might already be removed, there's still one with one black guy and one gorilla that appears on the second page when image-searching for gorillas

    12. Re:So... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      You don't have to list it. Facebook tracks your browsing across almost any site with 'like' buttons, any links that you follow from Facebook, and so on. It's pretty easy to infer that prejudices from the news sources that someone frequents.

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    13. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who would have thought - a gorilla might show up in a search for gorillas! RACISM!

    14. Re:So... by umghhh · · Score: 2

      Is it really that easy? I do not care for this particular action but I just wonder what happens when an individual will be brand marked as X (in this case jew hater) and then loses their job or their property gets destroyed by good people. It is Justine Sacco and surely countless others over and over again. Moral outrage of 'good' people destroys lives just the same. Mass hysteria shoots randomly around: few months ago a book shop in Berlin was forced to close after outrage in activist scene about their alleged antisemitism. The shop was owned by two Jews. It seems to me that in western so called democracies the persistent discrimination against any one group has changed and moved to chaotic discrimination of anybody or a group of people who are ad hoc declared enemies of humanity. This process is supported by big media companies like google (DB of haters) and FB. Corps do it for t he money or because they think there is benefit in such action. Humans because they think they are good - it is simpler this way than actually fight injustice every day - just destroy lives of some random people over the weekend or better yet outsource that to FB. Must be in human nature - this desire to hate others. I suppose that is true. Human capacity to belong to a group is limited or rather the size of the group to which we can meaningfully say we belong is limited. All others are strangers we 'discriminate' sometimes we really do. Hate the haters is just big now as it allows to define the group to be discriminated easily. It is as some of big Nazis once said (repeating after others) - "I decide who a Jew is". Now it is 'internet' or some other deity which is called algorithm by ignorants.
      As some other great man said in the past: "doing right ain't got no end" which inevitably leads to false positives. I wonder if there is ever a way out of that.

    15. Re:So... by A.+I.+Agent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In countries with severe censorship, the rumor mill allows fringe ideas to spread rapidly, and they are more easily believed because nobody believes the official denials of the authorities. So, if you are calling for censorship, we already know from experience that your plan won't work. To confirm what I'm saying, all you have to do is look at the extremely paranoid theories about Jews held by Muslims living under authoritarian governments.

      Keep in mind that all the great scientific theories were once fringe ideas. Your notion that an idea should be suppressed merely because few hold it would bring a halt to scientific development.

      I think it is only fair to point out that hatred is a two-way street, and if you find members of group X hating group Y, you inevitably find members of group Y hating group X.

    16. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try posting again after the cocaine has worn off. You will be more coherent that way....

    17. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You believe 4chan abused FB's system as opposed to FB's coders doing a shitty job??

      In what way did the "coders do a shitty job"? The code seemed to be working as designed. It gathered search terms into categories and offered those categories to advertisers. Do you expect it to be sentient and evaluate every search term as a human would? And anything less is a "shitty job"? Fucking internet. Instead of the old days where ignorance was spewed over a beer down at the local bar, now it's strewn across the world.

    18. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess. You are a euro socialist or one of These Soros victims.

      What you want is censorship plus tyranny. Like all lefties you cannot stand the truth and real freedom.

    19. Re: So... by sh00z · · Score: 0

      In what way did the "coders do a shitty job"? The code seemed to be working as designed.

      Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical. I'm sure "Facebook hater" was already blocked from generating an ad.

    20. Re:So... by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      ....and now that they are actively attempting to "solve" this problem there is no way to reach these people through FB in order to possibly educate them and cure the hate. Value eroded.

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    21. Re:So... by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      suppression makes it worse

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    22. Re: So... by zieroh · · Score: 2

      Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.

      Do you know of a software library that automatically detects all forms of hate (in all languages) within human communication, without fail? Care to provide any sources or citations as to how that software works, or even where to find it?

      No, didn't think so.

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    23. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likewise, a term like anti-hate, anti-fascism means just the opposite...

    24. Re: So... by dbialac · · Score: 0

      That ranks incredibly high on my list of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Have you really gotten so caught up in libtardation that you're unable to even stop to think about the ramifications of what you propose? Allow me to spell it out for you, because you obviously need it. I could easily see the Rainbow Coalition or the Anti-Defimation League wanting to target hate groups in an effort to educate them that we're not so different. But your idiocy would prevent them from hitting that market.

    25. Re:So... by zieroh · · Score: 2

      We need a new legal framework to ensure that our internet gatekeepers present a balanced view to avoid the spreading of fringe ideas

      No, we don't. I hate the fringe nutbags and dumbshit racists just as much as anyone else, but the moment you invoke the idea of "legal frameworks" as a solution to speech (or, god forbid, thought) you've taken the first step down a slippery slope from which we will never, ever recover. Legislating speech or behavior will inevitably lead to an abuse of that power, with all of us paying the price.

      The way to deal with hate is for decent people at all levels to lead by example, and to stand up to hate and refuse to tolerate bad behavior from their neighbors, from their coworkers, from their family, or from their friends.

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    26. Re:So... by zieroh · · Score: 1

      I'm interested in the topic of Jew hating and belong to groups like "Exposing the Rothschilds", where some members hate Jews and some wonder if we shouldn't be hating Jews. It doesn't mean that I personally hate Jews.

      No, but it might mean that you're a bit too close to the topic to have an unbiased opinion on the subject. But really, if we're both honest, it probably means that you're another one of jew-hating nutbags.

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    27. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What shows up when you search for "white couple?"

    28. Re: So... by ZipK · · Score: 2

      Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.

      So my ads based on the phrase "I hate housework!" should be prohibited?

    29. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest that you have your ears and eyes removed. That should adequately solve the issue for everybody. Those of us with the mental fortitude to entertain reprehensible ideas, without committing to them, can continue to explore the field unhindered, and you can live out your life as a happy ignoramus.

      You may as well lose your tongue, too. The very idea that you characterize "internet gatekeepers" (censors) as conducive to "free press" shows that your thinking to too muddled to make much of a contribution anyway.

    30. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have no doubt that every other conceivable identity group has automated protection already built-in.

      So you're saying Mark Zuckerberg's facebook hates jews because they purposely omitted them from your mystery automated protection system?

    31. Re: So... by karmatic · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume that education will reduce hate?

      I hate the Mormon church because of what I've seen it do, and researching it's history. It is precisely because of education that I despise it. The same can be said of Islam. It is barbaric.

      It is arrogant in the extreme to assume that all "hate" is irrational, and that you can educate people out of it. When it comes to some topics, hate is entirely rational.

    32. Re: So... by sh00z · · Score: 2

      Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.

      So my ads based on the phrase "I hate housework!" should be prohibited?

      They certainly shouldn't be automatically generated.

    33. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I reject the premise that hating someone who happens to be Jewish makes one a Jew-hater.

      If you hate Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're a woman-hater.

      If you hate Barack Obama or Clarence Thomas, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're a racist.

      See where I'm going with this?

      That being said, I don't know that guy. It's possible that he might just hate Jews.

    34. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook's problems with advertising at the same as the Internet at large. They is extremely little vetting over what ads are placed because it would be extremely labor intensive to do so. As a result malware and mis-information spreads like wildfire. The Internet evolved us to have ad blockers which protect us from tons of malware now and advertisers are pissed that they are losing clicks so they are worth a lot less.

      They did it to themselves and Facebook will have to evolve a system that imposes a sanity check on the content getting strewn about. They already started down that path with people evaluating known fake news sites, its a fine line to walk though as you correctly pointed out there are ramifications to censorship. The other reality is that censorship often leads to people using other services which is financially bad for Facebook so we can't really expect them to go down that path.

      The world is headed for a new Information age, there is so much bad info out there that we're going to need to create a way to validate/score reputation of sources so people can have some idea of how much weight to apply to "facts"

      It doesn't help when definitions of word change as rapidly as they do. Fake news used to mean stories about Bigfoot or Pizzagate, Trump and his ilk redefined it to mean anything they don't agree with. I think most people would find it difficult to actually classify any news CNN puts out as fake, sometimes its inaccurate, like all news sources, they retract and correct the record though which is the difference between them and news sites hosted in Macedonia who frankly just make shit up.

    35. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, nut bags. go ahead and think whatever make you feel better, while you go out and torture animals to death, steal land from Palestinians and put them into ghettos, dismember babies and control the US media.

      the jews are worse than if the nazis had won world war 2.

    36. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obligatory (((echo)))?

    37. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jew hating nutbags are indeed a minority.

      Most of the Jew haters are perfectly normal.

    38. Re: So... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical. I'm sure "Facebook hater" was already blocked from generating an ad.

      You mean like hating Nazis or monopolies or patent trolls?

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    39. Re: So... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      This idea cracks me up every time I see it.

      Of course the obvious problem is WHAT you teach and WHO is teaching it. If the school is run by radical Jihadists, then the whole "education" thing isn't going to work out like you think.

      It also smacks of "Communist re-education camps".

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    40. Re:So... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      That's fine as long as you realize that some of these targets don't necessarily represent all of us. Some of us are equally disgusted by them and what kind of nonsense they preach and try to propagate.

      Our influence overall is quite positive even if there are some of us trying hard to ruin it for everyone.

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    41. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

    42. Re: So... by PopeRatface · · Score: 0

      Nazis, of course! I warned you about the Nazis, but would you listen? And now here they are - on Facebook, on Slashdot, on /pol/, under the bed - everywhere! I tell ya, they're taking over the world! It's anudda Shoah, I tells ya!

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    43. Re:So... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It doesn't mean that I personally hate Jews.

      It does, it just also means you're not confident enough to admit it even when you've already made it obvious.

    44. Re:So... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you hate somebody, and you're not a disgusting bigot, and the person you hate is religious, you're not even talking about their religion and nobody listening to your declaration of hatred would even learn what religion the person is because it wouldn't have had any reason to come up.

      You're just an anti-Semite, there is no checkbox loophole where you still get to be a decent person. You're just a despicable bigot who takes time to set up red herrings and strawmen as bigot shelters.

    45. Re: So... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.

      So my ads based on the phrase "I hate housework!" should be prohibited?

      They certainly shouldn't be automatically generated.

      What about ads for "The pharmaceutical industry hates this one weird trick anyone can do to have better health!"
      Maybe a bad example.

    46. Re: So... by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      I don't think there are actually that many jew-hating nutbags, but the opportunity anonymnity presents encourages and amplifies their hooting and hollering.

      Also, many don't actually hate Jews (and certainly not all Jews), but they like the outrage that generates and do it for the lulz.

    47. Re:So... by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      In countries with severe censorship, the rumor mill allows fringe ideas to spread rapidly, and they are more easily believed because nobody believes the official denials of the authorities. So, if you are calling for censorship, we already know from experience that your plan won't work. To confirm what I'm saying, all you have to do is look at the extremely paranoid theories about Jews held by Muslims living under authoritarian governments.

      Most of those Muslim authoritarian governments find great political and moral advantage to those Jewish theories because blaming an 'other' is a time-tested technique to boost your own strength. Most of those theories are spread with the support of, not in spite of, those authoritarian governments.

    48. Re: So... by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Let me guess. You are a euro socialist or one of These Soros victims.

      I love the George Soros conspiracy theories. Hard right-wingers seriously believe the guy is some sort of all-powerful anti-Christ.

    49. Re: So... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Of course the obvious problem is WHAT you teach and WHO is teaching it. If the school is run by radical Jihadists, then the whole "education" thing isn't going to work out like you think.

      The ideal goal of education is to have the curriculum and the educator as unbiased as realistically possible. The more bias they have, the more that education strays towards propaganda and indoctrination.

      I might trust a jihadist teacher with lessons on Algebra, but certainly not for sociology, history, or religion.

    50. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being anti-Zionist automatically checks the "decent person" check box.

    51. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Allowing placement of any ad based on a keyword hit that includes "hate" is just unethical.

      You mean like hating Nazis or monopolies or patent trolls?

      You don't understand. The problem is not "hate", a word that has okay uses like "I hate rats & mice"

      The ethical problem lies in "placement of an ad". Making it harder to place ads is surely a good thing.

    52. Re:So... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      How? It's a topic.

    53. Re: So... by karmatic · · Score: 1

      "The ideal goal of education is to have the curriculum and the educator as unbiased as realistically possible."

      In theory. In practice, we have large amounts of evidence for certain topics (for example, cognitive differences between races), but if you try to teach the facts, you get crucified career-wise.

      People want the unbiased truth, as long as it doesn't conflict with their biases.

  2. In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every left wing progressive who hates Israel was targeted.

    1. Re:In other words by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews.
      For different reasons, of course... but it's one thing that they can both agree on.

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    2. Re:In other words by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews.
      For different reasons, of course... but it's one thing that they can both agree on.

      For what though, not being extreme enough? There are prominent Jews on both the left and the right, some of whom are pretty far toward those extremes.

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    3. Re:In other words by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Not during National Brotherhood week!.

      Seriously though, no. Both sides are not bad. Antisemitism is almost exclusively a feature of the right. That's because the left when it encounters it works to purge it from it's ranks. The right embraces as another part of the Southern Strategy. It's how they divide the working class...

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    4. Re: In other words by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, the Left are practically entitled to wear haloes, because you sez so.

      You wouldn't happen to be on the left, would you??

    5. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the non Jew telling all us Jews about our experiences.

      Racist.

    6. Re:In other words by sconeu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You obviously do not have a Jewish child at a UC.

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    7. Re: In other words by bestweasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice try but left wing progressives don't hate Jews and many Jews are left wing progressives. You may have confused antisemitism with dislike of some of the actions of the Israeli state, most obviously their mistreatment of the Palestinians.

    8. Re: In other words by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      but left wing progressives don't hate Jews .... Israeli blah blah

      No, it's Jews. All kinds of left wing groupthinkers (and others) are anti semites. Helen Thomas, Sharpton, Gibson, Oliver Stone, the whole Sheen clan, Assange. All sorts. They get caught in polite company or recorded somehow and then cop-out with the "I meant Israel" line, but they were talking about Jews when they unzipped their fly. The "It's not Jews, it's Israel" line is transparent and you should probably quit playing that card; it only calls you out as the left wing bigot you are.

      And no, the fact that you can point out Jews that hate Israel or Judaism doesn't play; self-loathing is a thing, particularly among liberals.

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    9. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You may have confused antisemitism with dislike of some of the actions of the Israeli state, most obviously their mistreatment of the Palestinians.

      It's interesting how quickly some Jews here in America forget their more recent pasts, on the receiving end of similar abuses in Europe and elsewhere. The state of Israel is harsh towards the Palestinians because it has to be to survive in such a dangerous neighborhood. Who will come to the rescue of Israel if they fail to defend themselves? The Jews in Israel are wise to rely upon the protection of their own weapons and courage rather than the promises of those who will turn their backs on them as soon as it's convenient.

    10. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tailhook is some kind of nazi apologist.

    11. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always compare it to, "I love the Irish; but I want Britain to take over the whole island".

    12. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nice try but left wing progressives don't hate Jews

      You've got to be fucking kidding me. The average "progressive" hates Jews more than the Daily Stormer. They are kicking the Jews out of gay pride marches and womens' rights marches. Voat is friendlier to Jews than the average "progressive". They've had a guy posting Jewish interest stories and outright Zionist propaganda on Voat for years and no one's fucked with him. Try that on any "progressive" site like Reddit and its an instant ban.

      The Zionists are the Jewish left, by the way. They are socialists. The Jewish right just call themselves Jews.

      You may have confused antisemitism with dislike of some of the actions of the Israeli state

      The vast majority of those "actions" never happened. Name one and it's probably a fake news report. Using chemical weapons on schools? Israel used smoke bombs on the streets and some of them landed on buildings and started fires. Rounding up children to slaughter them and sell their organs? One teenaged soldier was given an autopsy after he died in custody from his gunshot wounds. Starving Gaza with a blockade? Israel let food and medicine through and blocked only military or dual-use supplies. That boy and his father hiding behind the barrel from the Israelis before a sniper shot the boy? Ballistic analysis showed that the bullets could not possibly have come from the Israeli position. The entire "occupation"? The West Bank has legally been Israeli territory since the 1994 treaty with Jordan and there has been no Israeli occupation of, or presence in the Arab cities for nearly that long.

      most obviously their mistreatment of the Palestinians.

      The "Palestinians" are what we used to call ISIS. They are a terrorist organization that wants all Jews dead. Talk to somebody over the age of 30. Right now you're just spitting out slogans that show you don't have the slightest clue about the situation, you just believe the lies you see on the BBC or in the New York Times. There are reasons that intelligent people don't take the mainstream media seriously and their ridiculous, totally fake reporting on Israel is one of the biggest.

    13. Re: In other words by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This'll be why the Israeli media in the run-up to the last election was telling US Jews to vote Republican because the Democrats are full of anti-semites.

      http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/T...

      "Blumenthal Sr. is a proud father. He regularly shared his son’s ravings with Clinton, and she shared his delight. In eight separate emails over the course of her tenure in office, Clinton enthusiastically praised his Jew-hating propaganda."

      But, hey, SJWs always lie.

    14. Re:In other words by 0123456 · · Score: 0

      "Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews."

      That's because the supposed 'far right' are actually just a different faction of the far left. Everyone I know on the real extreme right is a supporter of Israel.

    15. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to state the obvious, but the only people who hate Jewish people are Muslims and Christians, at a theological level. If you bring Shakespeare into it, then you realize the Shylock character is what Jews are typecast as. So we can blame Shakespeare for creating the Jewish villain.

      The Jews vs Palistinians conflict is something of a "British Empire meddling" scope and is what is responsible for that conflict. Look at the similar conflict in Myanmar right now. There is no solution. Either you let nature takes its course and a group of people die, or you meddle, and make the conflict perpetual. Or you could tell them God does not exist and try to give up claim of their homeland.

    16. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey lying nazi cuntservative, you're citing one pushed news piece as if all of Israel thought that exactly verbatim. Your inbreeding is showing, nazi twat.

    17. Re: In other words by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      If you branch out far enough to the left or right, you reach the loopy area where people still attempt to rationally argue about the credibility of Leon Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot. The KKK become like comic book villans or heroes, yer choice which. It's not a place that ordinary rational people can even comprehend if they have never encountered it.

    18. Re: In other words by ooshna · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact the Irish had a country there first.

    19. Re:In other words by hackwrench · · Score: 2

      I study the situation. They hate the Jews because they believe them masterminds of a plot to control them.

    20. Re:In other words by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      yep, each extreme goes so far that they eventually meet up and become the same sort of bigot who thinks they know better than everyone else and should bow to them.

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    21. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So did the Jews in Israel. Great point, thanks.

    22. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not at all. Being Jewish is both a religion and an ethnicity. A person who is born to a Jewish mother is considered a Jew, regardless of religious belief. Therefore, one can both be a Jew and an atheist. While I'm sure there are Christians who despite the Jews because of the crucifixion, that's not particularly common. You'll far more often find Christians who equate the modern day Israel with the biblical Israel, and use that to justify pro-Israel foreign policy. Most of the hatred of Jews is actually based on their ethnicity and not their religion.

      There are people who believe that Jews are inherently greedy and evil. The idea is that their genes cause these behaviors and they're bred that way. In that sense, it's no different than those who believe that blacks are inherently less intelligent and more violent than whites. It's based on ethnicity and race, and not so much about religion. Even a lot of the Nazi propaganda about Jews during the Third Reich focused on the ethnicity and the physical appearance of Jews. They were often portrayed as having certain distinctive features like hook noses and engaging in behaviors like haggling. And then they were blamed for many of the problems facing Germany at the time.

      One other thing about Nazis: there were a lot of non-Jews killed during the Holocaust, for a variety of reasons. Although the Vatican is often criticized for not doing more to oppose the Holocaust, there were lots of Catholic priests who opposed the Nazis and died in concentration camps as a result. One of the more well known priesrs to die during the Holocaust was Maximilian Kolbe, a priest who volunteered to die in place of a stranger, a man with a family and children, who was going to be killed by the guards at Auschwitz. Jews were the main target, but they were hardly the only target in the Holocaust.

    23. Re: In other words by Blymie · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No, they didn't. 2000 years of no country, doesn't really count when you get one again. If that's the case, the Irish weren't there first -- they displaced someone. And the Irish never LOST their country entirely. It was always still called "Ireland", even if remotely administered and part of the British Empire.

      Unlike the Jewish State (by a dozen names) more than 2000+ years ago, that was lost, and the map redrawn 100 times until the re-formation of the 'new' Jewish State.

    24. Re: In other words by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Informative
      Hey, did you know that fascism grew out of left-wing progressivism? It sounds unbelievable, but it's absolutely true. So this concept isn't really far-fetched.

      Think about this: We know the name of the philosopher of capitalism, Adam Smith. We also know the name of the philosopher of Marxism, Karl Marx. So, quick: What is the name of the philosopher of fascism? Yes, exactly. You donâ(TM)t know. Virtually no one knows. This is not because he doesnâ(TM)t exist, but because the political left â" which dominates academia, the media and Hollywood â" had to get rid of him to avoid confronting fascism and Nazismâ(TM)s unavoidable leftist orientation.

      So letâ(TM)s meet the man himself, Giovanni Gentile, who may be termed fascismâ(TM)s Karl Marx. Gentile was, in his day, which is the first half of the 20th century, considered one of Europeâ(TM)s leading philosophers. A student of Hegel and Bergson and director of the Encyclopedia Italiana, Gentile was not merely a widely published and widely influential thinker; he was also a political statesman who served in a variety of important government posts. How, then, has such a prominent and influential figure vanished into the mist of history?

      For Gentile, people by themselves are too slothful and inert to form genuine communities by themselves; they have to be mobilized. Here, too, many modern progressives would agree. Speaking in terms with which both Obama and Hillary would sympathize, Gentile emphasized that leaders and organizers are needed to direct and channel the will of the people.

      Gentile was, in fact, a lifelong socialist. Like Marx, he viewed socialism as the sine qua non of social justice, the ultimate formula for everyone paying their âoefair share.â For Gentile, fascism is nothing more than a modified form of socialism, a socialism arising not merely from material deprivation but also from an aroused national consciousness, a socialism that unites rather than divides communities.

      Gentileâ(TM)s philosophy closely parallels that of the modern American left. Consider the slogan unveiled by Obama at the 2012 Democratic Convention: âoeWe belong to the government.â That apotheosis of the centralized state is utterly congruent with Gentileâ(TM)s thinking. Only Gentile would have provided a comprehensive philosophical defense that the Democrats didnâ(TM)t even attempt. In many respects, Gentile provides a deeper and firmer grounding for modern American progressivism than anyone writing today.

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    25. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You may have confused antisemitism with dislike of some of the actions of the Israeli state, most obviously their mistreatment of the Palestinians.

      In many cases, this is just a cover for antisemitism. For example, the UN Human Rights Council has issued more condemnations of Israel than of the rest of the world combined (overview). Israel's human rights record is less than stellar - but it's far better than that of many other countries, including many of those on the council. Why do you think this is, if not antisemitism on the part of the largely-Islamic council?

      Or take the "Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions" movement, supported by many left-wing Western academics. Again, it uses Israel's actions as an excuse, but it's quite transparently antisemitic, with overtones of the German boycotts of Jewish businesses in the 1930s.

      Most generally, the ongoing rapprochement of political progressives with increasingly-radical Islam inevitably brings it into conflict with Jews, as well as with other groups that have traditionally been among their supporters; notably, gays. For the first time in decades, antisemitism is more prevalent on the Left than on the Right, and it's a result of the Democratic party (and foreign counterparts) pivoting to court a new demographic of antisemitic Muslims ... rather similar to the Republicans pivoting to court Southern white racists in the 1950s.

    26. Re: In other words by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      The "Palestinians" are what we used to call ISIS.

      It's hard to argue with someone who shows such understanding.

    27. Re:In other words by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments. Christians and Muslims are prohibited by their respective religious texts from engaging in usury and for a lot of the last few hundred years this meant that the only people who made money by lending money (and, therefore, the only people that you could get a loan from) were Jews. This was inshrined in law in a lot of Europe: Christians and Muslims were prohibited not just by their faith, but by the legal system, from charging interest.

      It's no accident that the enemy of the Party in Nineteen Eighty-Four had a Jewish name: Jews were seen as the enemies of socialism (and the Party, like the USSR, still claimed to be socialist in spite of having few traits in common with socialism).

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    28. Re:In other words by butzwonker · · Score: 1

      Left-wing antisemitism exists and was partly spurred by the situation in Palestine. Not just for left-wing radicals, also for more moderate voices some of Israel's policies appear to be fairly fascist, for example Israel occasionally operates political assassination squads like 2010 in Dubai. Some of these critiques are unfortunately incapable of distinguishing between governments and ethnic groups, hence the antisemitism. That being said, right-wing antisemitism is certainly stronger overall. It's basically a mindless continuation of failed and obviously senseless Nazi ideology.

      The far right and the far left are indeed very similar to the extent that some prominent figureheads like Horst Mahler happily changed their affiliations over time. Totalitarians and other anti-humanists tend to have fairly unrealistic and inconsistent belief systems anyway.

    29. Re: In other words by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That's debatable. An unified country or Ireland that is independent from England or Britain is a very new invention. Wales and Scotland (and even Cornwall) have more claim to having had a country first than Ireland. The first serious attempt to unify Ireland, somewhat ironically, was led by the same Norman invaders that had previously conquered England (which hadn't been a country for very long at that point either). Many of the early instances of country formation in Europe resulted from different smaller kingdoms being conquered by the same invaders.

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    30. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's not antisemitism, that's anti-Zionism. You could claim, for example, that Israel should have been founded on a part of Germany. Ironically, this option was never on the table but would probably have worked out way better than the mess we have now. But then it was inconceivable, I suppose.

    31. Re:In other words by butzwonker · · Score: 1

      All this shows is that you (luckily) don't know any genuine "hitlerist" nazis. But there are plenty of them.

    32. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no amount of lies, oppression & methodical genocide will hide the fact that Israel stole Palestinian land and can never be considered its legitimate owner.

    33. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are the ones who accuse Israel of taking Palestinian land [...]

      Accuse? Just accuse??? Israel has a long history of stealing Palestinian land and abusing Palestinians in general. This goes far beyond unsupported accusations; these crimes are well recorded, widely condemned, and a shameful stain on the state of Israel. Calling this Antisemitism says more about the speaker than the accused.

      [...] and don't want Israel to even exist.

      Reality is far more nuanced than this propaganda association. This kind of linking is what makes the current Israeli government such a dreary bunch of whiners. Even the mildest critique on the behaviour of Israel is immediately labeled as antisemitism.

    34. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews."

      That's because the supposed 'far right' are actually just a different faction of the far left. Everyone I know on the real extreme right is a supporter of Israel.

      Sure man, the bad guy is just "Not Me" but always "Those Guys" instead.

      That's the problem with the "extreme right" that you are ALWAYS dead-set that everything evul is always on the "left" and you can't even realize that your problem is with your use of a flawed political axis.

    35. Re:In other words by Bongo · · Score: 2

      It's more useful to talk about "totalitarian" and less useful to talk about "left" and "right".

      Basically, it doesn't go left right (those were just two sides of the house), but rather, "up" and "down" in terms of, what level of compassion.

      Me, my family, my clan, my group, my empire/religion, my nation, my humanity, my planet.
      The "circle of compassion" gradually extends further and further, especially in the methods advocated.

      Too many religions act like empires, and are basically colonialist.
      Humanism, proper, is around the "my humanity" level...
      Meanwhile, a certain amount of "green" politics, ought to be around the "my planet" level but is sometimes more around the "my group" level, or even "my empire" level, especially in the way it advocates a reduction of humanistic freedom, preferring a more authoritarian system.
      And as for extreme left and extreme right, the "extreme" they mean is in the, fascistic sort of, just want to fight and take down the system, sort of approach. It's "my clan" and warlordism, except that, modern society has no place for warlords, so they're left to just fight in the streets.

      Anyway, something like that. How far does one's compassion extend... does it include all humanity?
      And if it does, then that means the politics and views have to be very open to disagreement and natural chaos.
      Whereas if one's compassion only extends to one's own religion, then the politics can be more authoritarian and conformist, making everyone act and think the same.

      It gets quite tricky. Someone on the "left" may claim to be concerned for "all humanity" yet refer to their own nation's average person as a "contemptible" -- so they are not really including all humanity, just certain parts. It is something one Muslim academic referred to as "reverse colonialism". It's that sort of confusion, "compassion for all the world (except the jobless in USA)" which unfortunately led to Trump winning.

    36. Re:In other words by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Now don't take me wrong, I myself am quite left wing even by German standards, but actually yes, at least the German left still seriously dislikes the Jews and hides it under "Israel criticism". Even back in the day our very own (I admit, saying "our" would not be correct since they were West German and I am not) left wing domestic terrorist organisation RAF was trained by and worked with Palestinian terrorists. The best example for that collaboration would be the LH Flight 181 hijacking by the PFLP, who demanded that the West German governments releases several imprisoned RAF members. There are many more historical examples, which is kind of strange because many prominent left wing personalities have been Jewish.

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    37. Re:In other words by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Antisemitism is almost exclusively a feature of the right. That's because the left when it encounters it works to purge it from it's ranks.

      That was in the time of Nazism. Now that the left is changing its cultural allegiance from Karl Marx to Muhammad ibn Wahhab, Rosa Luxemburg would no longer be welcome at her own barricades:
      http://www.newsweek.com/gay-pr...

    38. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      let's see...uses a right wing "newz" site to "prove" fascism grew out of left wing progressivism....

      Sorry...failure in logic and sources. Please try again. WND is less credible as a news organization and with regard to facts than Fox news.

    39. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no amount of lies, oppression & methodical genocide will hide the fact that Israel stole Palestinian land and can never be considered its legitimate owner.

      You are FULL OF SHIT. There's no nice way to say it, and you don't deserve any niceties for posting such BULLSHIT

      Got the balls to actually dig through things like the Ottoman Empire census data for Jerusalem? I bet the answer is no.

      Even United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 clearly states "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

      When are the Arabs going to stop calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map"?

      Hell, when will idiots stop spewing bullshit lies such as "Israel stole Palestinian land and can never be considered its legitimate owner"?

      What's wrong? Does your backwards religious faith get you all worked up because dar al-Islam reverted to dar al-Harb? Yeah, I know how that works, and how you're stuck in a medieval, barbaric mindset to believe in that. GFY, because there's a Reformation and recognition of basic human rights that occurred over the past MILLENIUM that you've utterly missed out on.

      Don't you have some gays to stone, women to oppress, and kafirs to slice the throats of?

    40. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Regards to 1984, it's because the book is about Stalinism and the figure of hate is a cipher for Trotsky.

    41. Re:In other words by mjwx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments

      Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing. Or the current crop of anti-semites who are also decidedly right wing (Sorry, but nowhere has HAMAS said they want justice and social harmony for Palestinians, their main goal is simply the destruction of Israel, same with Iran as theocracy centralises power, not distributes wealth. Both Iran and Palestine have capitalist systems firmly in place as the place was a centre of trade for millennia before the US even existed).

      Dont confuse people being anti-Jewish with being anti-Bankers. They're quite happy to accept white bankers.

      Proper leftists have no issues with Jews, Antisemitism tends to be linked to extremist nationalism, which is firmly on the extreme right.

      It's no accident that the enemy of the Party in Nineteen Eighty-Four had a Jewish name: Jews were seen as the enemies of socialism (and the Party, like the USSR, still claimed to be socialist in spite of having few traits in common with socialism).

      It helps if you read Nineteen Eighty-Four before commenting on it. The society in 1984 (for brevity's sake) still used money (although there were shortages of almost everything). The idea behind IngSoc is that it was neither English, nor Socialist. Pretty sure George Orwell used those exact words in the novel 1984. You see 1984 was a diatribe against Nazi Facism, it centred on the theme of an institutionalised class structure (inner party members -> outer party members -> Proles) with each cast receiving fewer rights than the one above it, institutionalised surveillance and government control as well extreme nationalism and the perpetual war that comes along with it. The use of the Jewish name Goldstein, was just to link it to Nazism and their Antisemitism and the fact that National Socialism has nothing to do with Socialism as we define it.

      Orwell left thinly veiled cues of the society he was ripping off in names, for example in Animal Farm, his diatribe against Stalinist Communism he used Trotsky pigs as the farm animal's leaders in reference to Leon Trotsky who was an early Communist party member under Lenin and who Stalin had killed when he took power after Lenins death.

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    42. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the Germans don't like Jews because the Jews have taken over their country (again - they last did it in the early 1900s) and are flooding their (the Germans') country with millions of non-whites?
      Why should any white person want to be FORCED to live in a multi-racial country, where white people are going to become a MINORITY within ten or twenty years? I thought being a 'minority' was an awful thing to suffer, so why are you suggesting that white people, and ONLY white people, should want any non-white immigration whatsoever?

    43. Re:In other words by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Which, to me, makes this even more confusing. Anti-capitalist AND anti-socialist...so people are claiming that Jews are against capitalism AND socialism? I grok that it is two different groups claiming this...which, to me, just means using Jews as a scapegoat. Both can't be true, it's one or the other.

      In reality, it's really tribalism. Jews are one of the oldest surviving "tribes" that still hold a cohesive connection with their ancient past. The Talmudic customs and rituals extend further back than most people can really comprehend; past Babylon, probably into Sumerian time periods. In modern humans, tribalism (IMHO) is linked deeply with "the fear of others), which itself is a remnant of the VERY ancient past with there were multiple human species roaming the earth.

    44. Re: In other words by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Actually, no, they didn't. Not even according to their own origin fable. Even if you want to go back to literally biblical times, it was not their country, they took it from someone with force (sorry, "the lord" did to give it to them. Odd that an omnipotent being required humans to do his dirty work, though).

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    45. Re:In other words by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you are an idiot.

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    46. Re: In other words by Cederic · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's interesting how quickly some Jews here in America forget their more recent pasts, on the receiving end of similar abuses in Europe and elsewhere. The state of Israel is harsh towards the Palestinians

      It's interesting that you don't see the second half of the first sentence as a reason against the second.

      Germans didn't hate Jews, some Germans did.
      Jews don't mistreat Palestinians, some Israelis do.

      Just as I'll happily condemn Nazi behaviour towards Jews, I'll happily condemn Israeli behaviour towards Palestinians.

      As Bestweasel highlights, that's not anti-semitism.

    47. Re:In other words by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Informative

      Antisemitism is almost exclusively a feature of the right. That's because the left when it encounters it works to purge it from it's ranks.

      Quite the level of bullshit there. On the left it's called BDS, and is the veneer of leftist antisemitism wrapped up in a palatable package. A single trip to a university like the University of Toronto is enough to show just how much of a lie that statement is. Not only do they embrace it, they encourage and bring out bigotry that's akin out of 1939. You can even see it within political parties in the EU. There isn't a subtle shift if "israeli to jewish" it's right there that BDS is to go after the jews.

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    48. Re: In other words by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Because World Daily News is such an upstanding, non-biased site! It's never been shown to be one of the original alt-right propagators, nor has it ever been called out for being a antigovernment extremist group. WDN has never been sued for purposely twisting the truth or mis-quoting anyone. They most certainly did NOT promote birthism of Obama, or peddle other conspiracy theories.

      You might as well just quote the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for reasons to be antisemitic!

    49. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.

      Nope. The largest group of Jew-haters is Muslems.

      Not that the Jews were the only targets, in his last words as narrated by 'Aisha, Muhammad cursed all the Christians and Jews and ordered them persecuted, as well as demanding all pagans be removed from the peninsula.

      Those words are guiding almost a billion people today. Yet, you worry about a defeated, ineffectual and more or less extinct idealism that lost all it's power more than 70 years ago.

    50. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off hasbara shill, your bullshit is just a mish mash of lies, and Zionist propaganda.
      Israel is a war criminal country, run by thieves.
      For you to call anyone full of shit after that load of word salad lies is rather amusing.
      Time for Israel to increase their shill budget.

    51. Re: In other words by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You appear to have extremist and delusional views.

      The average "progressive" hates Jews more than the Daily Stormer.

      Hyperbole, although I'll have to trust your interpretation of the Daily Stormer.

      The vast majority of those "actions" never happened

      Really? Your cherry picked list of actions that maybe didn't happen may even be accurate, but please, don't go pretending that Israel is some holier than thou actor here.

      Israel shells Palestinian civilian territories, they repeatedly invade those territories, they do illegally occupy them (argue with international law all you fucking like, it's illegal occupation) and do commit crimes against the Palestinian people.

      The "Palestinians" are what we used to call ISIS. They are a terrorist organization that wants all Jews dead.

      What the fuck are you on? You should stop and seek medical help, fast.

      The Palestinians are people. They're born, they go to school, they grow up, they get bombed by Israel, they live their lives, they die.

      Some of them decide that they'd rather risk dying sooner than live under oppression from Israel. If you want to class those few as terrorists then I'll understand, but the whole fucking population? No, that'd be exactly the same as blaming every Israeli citizen for the crimes against Palestine.

      Talk to somebody over the age of 30.

      I am over 30. I remember Yasser Arafat and didn't trust him for a moment. I remember Israel invading Lebanon leading to a war that caused thousands of civilian deaths. I remember the PLO being branded a terrorist organisation, yet recognised by the UN. Even if you discount the Sabra and Shatila massacre I've yet to see conflict between Israel and Palestine in which more Israeli civilians have died than Palestinian ones.

      There are reasons that intelligent people don't take the mainstream media seriously and their ridiculous, totally fake reporting on Israel is one of the biggest.

      Yet comically they still manage a more balanced and nuanced depiction of the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts than you can.

    52. Re: In other words by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Most of the hatred of Jews is actually based on their ethnicity and not their religion.

      Yeah, I hate that. Makes it much much harder to mock their shitty superstitions.

      Except face-to-face. I've yet to meet someone following the Jewish faith that doesn't respond to teasing and derision about their faith with good humour, and many of them don't need prompting. Makes them very easy to get on with.

    53. Re: In other words by xvan · · Score: 1

      Some versions of history propose that the Jews where not expelled by the Romans, but choose to leave.

    54. Re: In other words by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I've seen the suggestion that facism is left-wing espoused a few times recently.

      I find it kind of bewildering. Who really gives a shit whether it's left wing or right wing: it's a bad thing, and don't do it.

      Doesn't really matter what you label yourself as politically, if you're advocating genocide then you're a cunt.

    55. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off hasbara shill, your bullshit is just a mish mash of lies, and Zionist propaganda.
      Israel is a war criminal country, run by thieves.
      For you to call anyone full of shit after that load of word salad lies is rather amusing.
      Time for Israel to increase their shill budget.

      Hasbara?

      Yep, I nailed you, didn't I? A genocidal barbarian.

      Note well the bolded antisemitism of the Medieval barbarian.

      Also note the failure to address UNSCR 242, the Ottoman Empire census and other data that often showed more Jews in "Palestine" than Arabs over the centuries, and the barbaric Islamic basis of the Arab genocidal desire to literally "wipe Israel off the map".

      How's that pedophile false prophet? Propeller beanies upon him!

    56. Re: In other words by burtosis · · Score: 1

      And the democratic people's republic of North Korea is a democracy run by the people. Fascism used the guise of socialism to entrench and expand its power all while moving farther and farther away from its principles. People were too uninformed, comfortable and stupid to do anything before it was too late. just like America is supposed to be capitalist and a democracy but it's moving toward fascism.

    57. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where do you think the first Jews came from, popped out of the ether? Historically, the people were there already and the religion came, developed out of somewhat disparate religions already in the area. Why are you giving credence to something you state is a fable?

    58. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You think the ~100k Jews who have been living in Germany in peace for the past few decades are happy about nearly 2 million new Syrian neighbours who have sworn to wipe their race off the planet?

      You're an idiot. German Jews are packing their bags to be ready to get out of town fast with all those Syrians around.

    59. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an editorial, not news. It even has the word 'Opinion' in the URL. The editorial points out racism exists in both parties, and that Jewish voters (actually anyone who is not racist) is sort of screwed by the effects of the fringes.

    60. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you equate the two in your head shows that you are ignorant, misinformed, and a racist.
      But please, show us how the self-congratlatory left is really made up of racists under a veneer of ignorance.

    61. Re:In other words by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      That is an interesting theory, considering that left-wing antisemitism predates the creation of the modern state of Israel by quite a few years. You might want to read Karl Marx's book "On The Jewish Question". The only claim I have seen making the case that Karl Marx was not an anti-Semite says that he was not saying that Jews were evil...just that self-identifying as Jewish was evil.

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    62. Re: In other words by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      The whole reason for the mass hysteria around anything "jew" and political correctness is to suppress anti-zionism. There are a lot of Jews who speak out against or do not ascribe to zionism and they too are suppressed in media and wherever else under the banner of being "antisemitism."

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    63. Re:In other words by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      What is a "proper leftist?"

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    64. Re:In other words by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.

      If you believe this, then you really have a very shallow grasp of history. Persecuting Jews was a popular pastime in Europe for a long time before the Nazis came along. Read The Merchant of Venice sometime to get a feel for how Jews were perceived in Shakespeare's time. Even the term Pogrom predate the Nazis by a good 40-50 years. The two largest groups that have actively persecuted Jews are Catholics and Muslims. Nazis don't even beat Russians in terms of the number of people doing the persecuting or the number of Jews killed.

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    65. Re: In other words by XXongo · · Score: 1
      Actually, I'll have to agree with Opportunist here. If you read the bible (or, if you prefer, the Torah), it is a long history of the tribe of Israel ("Jews") conquering other tribes and taking their land. Check out the book of Joshua for some of the most notable examples.

      But we did get some good songs out of it, like "Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho".

    66. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.

      In some respects - nationalism, militarism - they were decidedly right-wing. In others, particularly their economic policies, they were decidedly left-wing. They didn't call themselves the National *Socialist* party for nothing. Consider a few of the items in their 25-point policy platform:

      • We demand the nationalisation of all associated industries.
      • We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
      • We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
      • Abolition of unearned incomes. Breaking of debt-slavery.

      All of these are solidly left-wing policies. The last, in particular - abolishing any income from investments (as opposed to labour) - would only be held by the most extreme left-wing groups today.

    67. Re:In other words by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      One about to go on a helicopter ride.

    68. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that the anti-Seimites on the right don't want Jews to exist at all. The ones on the left just don't want Jews to exist in Israel. That's quite a big difference!

      The problem on the right is caused by hideous stereotypes and ridiculous conspiracy theories, while the problem on the left is due to categorizing Jews as "oppressors" rather than "victims".

      The problems in Israel are caused by Palestinians and Israelis both electing far-right-wing governments. If they could manage to elect normal humans who could work together, they could have some peace and the leftists would have little reason to hate Jews anymore.

      OTOH, the right-wing fringe will likely never stop hating Jews.

      dom

    69. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A starving one.

      Haven't you read a biography of Marx? Dude nearly starved to death, if not for his family's screams for him to earn just enough to get some bread.

    70. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have never been actually victimized to compare yourself to other groups. "Oh my Jewish kid at the UC has such a tough time, he get's mean looks!"

    71. Re:In other words by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Proper leftists have no issues with Jews, Antisemitism tends to be linked to extremist nationalism, which is firmly on the extreme right.

      The No True Scotsman defense of leftists I see. It's not the proper left, it's all the rest that are the problem.

    72. Re:In other words by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      And in other news, the American left (who are different from many left leaning ordinary people) are seemingly violently anti-Jew these days. Sheesh. They look more like national socialists daily. Thanks, I'll stick to my right wing town - at least all we're doing is clinging to our bibles and guns, and not out engaging in pogroms.

    73. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palestine - once calledSyria Palaestina - was created by Emperor Hadrian about 1900 years ago as a province of the Roman Empire. The inhabitants of that land have been called "Palestinians" ever since, firstly under the Romans, and later under the several muslim empires. Jews used to be a tiny minority there, until they organized a series of mass illegal immigration waves into that land in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when Palestine was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. Isn't it ironic that your jewish "friends" used to be illegal immigrants, just like those that Trump want to expel? Lol!

      As for the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights, none of them belong to israel, and no country in the world, not even the US with its gigantic jewish lobby inside, recognizes them as part of israel, and israel is in direct contempt of several binding UN Security councils resolutions by illegally occupying them (e.g., resolution 242/1967).

    74. Re:In other words by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Yes, and in modern left wing America, the only G*d you can have is the State, so Jews are being targeted. Well, Christians have been targeted for quite some time, so that makes perfect sense.

    75. Re: In other words by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Indeed. And you can argue that this is why Israel is getting as strong as it can - because they have NO friends. Oh, the USA finds them useful as a hotbed to develop and test military hardware, and for their scientific innovation - but the Israelis are realists and know that they have allies only as long as they are useful to them. As far as I can tell, the American left is getting more and more nihilistic, actually.

    76. Re: In other words by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So, honest question: what does your independent research into Giovanni Gentile reveal? I'd really like to know. You didn't attack any substance, just a "kill the messenger" fallacy.

      CNN is fake news but publishes many true articles every day. Due to the constant "you're a fascist!" accusations from the Left every day, baffled conservatives are doing research into what the hell fascism is in the first place, since they are constantly unjustly accused of being it. Turns out, it wasn't right-wing at all. Mussolini started his career penniless with nothing but a cheap medallion of Karl Marx in his pocket. The truth is starting to come out.

      One of the groups that most strongly supported fascism in Italy was the self-designated futurists. Led by Filippo Marinetti, the futurists championed fast cars and new technologies and viewed themselves as on the cutting edge both of the sciences and of art. This was the group that encouraged fascism and Nazism to use new advances in technology and up-to-date techniques of media and propaganda. Historian Zeev Sternhell concludes that far from being reactionary, "The conceptual framework of fascism was nonconformist, avant-garde, and revolutionary in character."

      The fascists and the Nazis sought to create a new man and new utopia freed from the shackles of the old religion and old allegiances. The whole mood of fascism and Nazism was beautifully captured in the Nazi youth depicted in the movie Cabaret, who sings not about a lost past but rather that "tomorrow belongs to me." Fascism's appeal was, as both its critics and enthusiasts recognized at the time, more progressive and forward-looking than it was backward and reactionary.

      History of fascism

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    77. Re:In other words by careysub · · Score: 1

      Antisemitism has historically been linked to anti-banker and anti-capitalist sentiments

      Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.

      Yes they were (right wing), but no not by any means the largest antisemitic group in history.

      That group would be Orthodox Christianity which has been stridently antisemitic since at least the late second century.

      It seems the break-up between Judaism, the religion of every original follower of Jesus, and Christianity being a separate religion was a messy one with a lot of bad blood.The earliest account of Jesus' life is the Gospel of Mark, written decades after the fact, and records a negative memory of Jews as being the reason that the Romans crucified Jesus. Though not antisemitic per se (though difficult to credit as accurate) Christian writing get worse from there until by the late 3rd Century the non-canonical Acts of Pilate has the harsh Roman Prefect as a Christian saint, and the Jews are the enemies of God himself, having rejected their own Messiah and murdered him.

      Antisemitism rested on an explicitly religious basis throughout Europe until modern times. Pogroms did not kill Jews because some of them were bankers, they were because "The Jews killed Jesus".

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    78. Re: In other words by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It matters. People are doing research right now and what they're finding is astounding. We've been the victims of a 70 year old lie. I grew up thinking fascism was a right-wing ideology, but it turns out it was left-wing all along. No wonder the Left didn't want it on their side. It would pretty much permanently discredit anything they said, since what the fascists of the 1920s and 30s said sounds very much like what the Progressives of the 2010s say.

      History of fascism.

      Given what most people today think they know about Fascism, this bare recital of facts is a mystery story. How can a movement which epitomizes the extreme right be so strongly rooted in the extreme left? What was going on in the minds of dedicated socialist militants to turn them into equally dedicated Fascist militants?

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    79. Re: In other words by karmatic · · Score: 1

      Try being pro Israel in leftist circles. The left tends not to support genocide.

      The right tends to be the ones wanting to give Israel weapons and handjobs.

    80. Re: In other words by karmatic · · Score: 1

      Forced displacement, murder and confiscation of property is forced consolidation, murder and confiscation of property.

      Nazis by another name.

    81. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, Pinochet

    82. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.

      Even taking what you're raving on about at its highest, you're equating killing a few people and taking their things to trying to wipe out every non-Aryan race on the planet.

      Damn, who dropped you on your head and stomped on it when you were a baby?

    83. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all people who hate Israelis are anti-Semites.

      But the people who do are overwhelmingly anti-Semites. You are known by the company you keep. When you have actual Nazis on your side, you really have to go back and re-evaluate everything.

    84. Re: In other words by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      Utter nonsense. The Jews have real ties to Israel. It used to be their own country. Their version of Mecca is there as well as other less prominent holy sites. They have continued to live there even since the expulsion.

      Some of the claims of "settlement activity" are actually over places were Jews never really left.

      Anti-Zionism is an inherent hypocrisy. Either you believe in the rights of indigenous people or you don't. You don't half-ass it by defending this idea for some people but not others.

      Every argument against or in favor of the Jews can be applied equally to the Ottomans. That's the way modern civilized ideals work. You don't get to play favorites.

      Besides, what kind MORON suggests an ethnic group be forced to associate with someone that committed genuine genocide on them?

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    85. Re: In other words by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      More importantly, these "champions" need to encourage the Palestinians to act like a nation that can live in peace with it's neighbor. Through their shameless hypocrisy, they act as enabler to the Palestinians to prevent any real change there.

      The "pro-palestinians" need to eviscerate Gaza and discourage their nonsense.

      They also need to lay off the unhinged rhetoric.

      And yeah, the idea of a refugee camp outside of Israel is really obscene. These people should be able to get on with their lives like normal people.

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    86. Re: In other words by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, you missed my point completely.

      I don't give a fuck whether you label fascism left or right. Nobody lied to me, they ascribed it to some made up label they like to use to demonise people.

      The political alignment of fascism on an arbitrary linear scale says fuck all about anybody else you align to that scale. It merely means that someone's put them on a line.

      If someone espouses fascist ideals and tries to implement them, that's something you can challenge. Until then, they're not supporting fascism and you can draw all the fucking linear pictures you like but it wont make them a fascist.

    87. Re: In other words by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > The difference is that the anti-Seimites on the right don't want Jews to exist at all. The ones on the left just don't want Jews to exist in Israel. That's quite a big difference!

      When you consider recent history, that's on real difference at all. Muslims have half the planet they can feel comfortable in. The Jews can't really count on assimilating anywhere.

      "Anti-Zionism" manifests as blatant anti-semitism. This is very true in Europe and is also true in the US.

      Nazi Germany should be a big clue about that.

      The right wing fringe is tiny and powerless. The liberal establishment is not.

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    88. Re:In other words by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Jews like to make trouble and revolt against their imperial overlords. This is in stark contrast to "Palestinians" and the Ottoman Empire. The whole reason the Jews spread to the wind is because the Romans finally got fed up. At that point, you probably didn't want to identify as a Jew. It probably even made sense for you to hate on them just to demonstrate how much of a non-Jew you were.

      The Gospels pretty much evolve based on political realities in the Empire.

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    89. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My god you are a fucking idiot

    90. Re: In other words by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      WND is a known propaganda mill.

      0/10 trolling there

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    91. Re: In other words by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Palestinians are also Semites. Why are you trying to marginalize them and lie about their cultural background? Is it politically inconvenient for Israel to admit that both were promised separate lands, and Israel occupies much of Philistine, and all of Judea, in addition to Israel? Everybody involved are Semites. Anti-Semitism is a totally different problem that doesn't even share a border with the political and cultural issues plaguing the Holy Land.

    92. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's obvious you're a racist. Racists often argue using terms like "The Jews" and refer to racial groups as "them". They often also talk about historical events from the distant past of which they have no experience.

    93. Re: In other words by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      OK, nobody is saying to trust the media without independently researching their claims. We all know to think critically. I challenge you to do your own independent research about Giovanni Gentile, where he came from intellectually, and what he thought. This article would be a good start.

      Stories are better, books are better, and movies are better if they cocked you off your axis and you were completely disoriented and you'd really have to rethink everything. You're about to embark on an educational odyssey that's going to challenge you deeply and make you question everything you ever learned. Good luck! It's not as common as it should be that independent thinkers are really challenged and forced outside their comfort zone.

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    94. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as something is making them pack their bags, why complain?

    95. Re: In other words by PopeRatface · · Score: 0

      So - if the left hates the Jews, and the right hates the Jews, why does everyone hate the Jews so much?

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    96. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where do you think the first Jews came from, popped out of the ether?

      I heard that they popped out of an oven.

    97. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it odd that Shakespeare noticed the same things about Jews 500 years ago that we notice today?

    98. Re:In other words by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Both the extreme left AND extreme right hate the Jews.
      For different reasons, of course... but it's one thing that they can both agree on.

      For what though, not being extreme enough?

      The extreme left hates the Jews for reasons of Israel's Zionism, the taking of Muslim lands to create and expand a Jewish state, and of course... that a state would be "Jewish" in the first place. Really, left-wing opposition is more opposition to Israel than it is to "Jews" in general, though supporters of the state of Israel like the ADL find it convenient to conflate the two.

      The extreme right hates the Jews for reasons of traditional racism, the theories of Jews controlling the money supply, Jews controlling politics, the old "stab in the back" Nazi theories, Nazism and racism in general, all that stuff we're familiar with.

    99. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the Nazis who were decidedly right wing"

      Nazis were technically left wing, not right wing which is a common misconception. People have no problem exploiting this misconception at all for political purposes. Nazis were against corporations owning everything and wanted government controlled infrastructure. They wanted equal healthcare and equal education for everyone. They took weapons away from the people. They wanted people to quit smoking, eat healthier food / less meat, etc. I.e. left wing.

    100. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And those in the middle hate them for having big noses.

    101. Re:In other words by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They didn't call themselves the National *Socialist* party for nothing.

      They called themselves that because it was trendy at the time. If they started today they'd be called "Paleo Artisanal Fixie Makerspace".

      We demand the nationalisation of all associated industries.
              We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
              We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
              Abolition of unearned incomes. Breaking of debt-slavery.

      All of these are solidly left-wing policies.

      How many of them did they implement once they were elected?

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    102. Re: In other words by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      # ... and de walls come a tumblin' down

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    103. Re: In other words by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Well fuck you for calling me a racist. Strange that I'm giving shit to people based on their actions and not their race, and you're treating that as a race based attack. Says a lot more about you than me.

      As for the so called left, have you seen the torrent of anti-white hatred coming from them of late? Racist as fuck, since you ask.

    104. Re: In other words by Cederic · · Score: 1

      No, I'm not known by the company I keep. As it happens, I don't keep company with actual Nazis either.

      So how about you fucking evaluate things in the first place instead of name calling.

      Not all people who hate Israelis are anti-Semites.

      Not all people giving Israel shit for their treatment of Palestine hate Israel either. But this is the internet so I shouldn't expect intelligent evaluation of a complex situation from you.

    105. Re: In other words by karmatic · · Score: 1

      Whether you murder a few people, a few dozen, a few hundred, a few thousand, or a few hundred thousand people, it's still murder.

      When it comes to ethics, it's the quality of the act that matters, not the scale.

    106. Re:In other words by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      All of those were dropped from the Nazi platform in the mid '30s, before they came to power, when they started actively courting industrialists and the middle classes. The Nazis were founded as a nationalist party with just enough socialism to attract the working class away from communism (their expressed intention was to oppose communism). The completely abandoned any left-wing principles to achieve power.

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    107. Re: In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if the bit about Jews being anti capitalist and anti socialism were true? You're looking at this diametrically like two sides of a coin. Things are never so convientally black and white. The coin also has an edge, right?

      If you consider Jews being pro Jew, it makes complete sense. If they do whatever advances their cause at any given moment, they can be both pro socialism, pro capitalism, or anti whatever.

    108. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other things that bounce around the right-wing echo chamber. There is the Rothschilds. Back in the 1800's this family would lend money to European governments in order to fund wars to gain wealth. In return for funding a war, they would gain a share of all the war booty. All the way up to World War I. They miscalculated back then due to all the alliances, treaties and pacts that the noble gentry agreed and cancelled. World War II starts because Germany wants to rid itself of the punitive war reparations that they were being forced to pay. At the end of the war, it actually cost them more money to rebuild Europe than they gained in war booty.

      There are names like Barbara Spectre in Sweden who call for Europe to become multi-cultural to the point that the native Europeans are in the minority. Or the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan as well as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

  3. Thank god for capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's nice to know that everything can be monetized somehow. A few black-out drunken rants later and for some reason I keep getting advertisements for swastika flags and replica WWII gear.

  4. eric cartman by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    eric cartman

  5. Am I the only one who thinks that this is just str by shm · · Score: 1

    It's not that Facebook is targeting any group; it's this "advertiser" putting in a string which matched.

    Much as I dislike Facebook for their intrusiveness, I wouldn't go so far to say that they would have this as a category.

  6. There must be money in it by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    Any word on what they were selling to "jew haters?"

    1. Re:There must be money in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Halal meat, burqas for the missuses, AK-47s for the budget-conscious.

    2. Re:There must be money in it by sheramil · · Score: 5, Funny

      False alarm, everyone. They were targeting "Jew hatters" and were looking for a distributor for their yarmulkes.

      (rolls eyes) goyim.

    3. Re:There must be money in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red hats with white nazi slogans worn by obese orange retards. What else?

    4. Re:There must be money in it by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Tiki torches?

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    5. Re:There must be money in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dick

    6. Re:There must be money in it by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Only in your mind. But I'm guessing "how to beat your wife for not wearing a burka, and making sure it doesn't show in public" is a hot seller among jew haters, especially in the EU, Canada and Australia. Along with 23 reasons why Jews are less then dogs(quite popular with the imam crowd -- going by their rants). And "slavery for fun and profit, what do do with your sex slave when she's been passed around 283 times." Which is apparently popular with the ISIS loving caliphate, and girls who run off there to join them.

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    7. Re:There must be money in it by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Three ways to target that particular group:
      - exploit them
      - educate them
      - exclude them

      All of them can be done maliciously or for good purposes.

    8. Re:There must be money in it by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      I can see how exclusion could possible be both good or malicious but the other two not so much.

      Malicious education isn't really education at all anymore, we have other words for that: lies, propaganda, brainwashing, gaslighting.

      Exploitation by its very nature is well exploitative. You are turning someone eases efforts to your objectives and not theirs. Which you fundamentally have no right to do unless you want to talk about "useful idiots" and ends justifying the means. Which generally does not fly with contemporary moral thought.

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    9. Re:There must be money in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see how exclusion could possible be both good or malicious but the other two not so much.

      Malicious education isn't really education at all anymore, we have other words for that: lies, propaganda, brainwashing, gaslighting.

      Exploitation by its very nature is well exploitative. You are turning someone eases efforts to your objectives and not theirs. Which you fundamentally have no right to do unless you want to talk about "useful idiots" and ends justifying the means. Which generally does not fly with contemporary moral thought.

      That's backwards,
      Exclusion is the one that never pans out. best case scenario you ignore each otehr until one fo you dies, in which cane each of you actually benefits. More typically you'll just come into conflict over something later and fight about it.

      Exploitation is one of the few historically successful methods of uplifting a society. In order to make them useful you have to teach them useful skills, and build infrastructure. Then they have those skills and infrastructure they eventually figure out they can work for themselves instead of you.

      And education and indoctrination are two sides of the same coin. In theory there's a difference but in practice nobody actually has an education system that's free of biases and most don't even try. A typical education system is mostly an indoctrination system that ensures you'll be a more or less productive member of the society it serves.

    10. Re:There must be money in it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in your mind. But I'm guessing "how to beat your wife for not wearing a burka, and making sure it doesn't show in public" is a hot seller among jew haters, especially in the EU, Canada and Australia. Along with 23 reasons why Jews are less then dogs(quite popular with the imam crowd -- going by their rants). And "slavery for fun and profit, what do do with your sex slave when she's been passed around 283 times." Which is apparently popular with the ISIS loving caliphate, and girls who run off there to join them.

      Never been to Europe, Canada or Australia, right? Our local haters hate anything they don't understand. Yews, muslims, people with jobs, school, etc..

    11. Re:There must be money in it by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Never been to Europe, Canada or Australia, right? Our local haters hate anything they don't understand. Yews, muslims, people with jobs, school, etc..

      I've worked in Europe(UK and Germany), I live in Canada, I have family that live in Australia. Considering several imams were recently charged here in Canada for supporting 'spousal abuse' and publishing literature to hate the jews? Yeah, don't let your own level of ignorance hurt you.

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  7. Why did they want ads aimed at Pewdiepie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was already using Fiver.

  8. Ever noticed how by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    Twitter, Facebook, Google and other companies keep blaming some sir or madamn called "algorithm" for everything they do wrong these days?

    1. Re:Ever noticed how by sconeu · · Score: 2

      It's because Al Gore (ithm) invented the internet.

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    2. Re:Ever noticed how by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Twitter, Facebook, Google and other companies keep blaming some sir or madamn called "algorithm" for everything they do wrong these days?

      I thought

      "There are times where content is surfaced on our platform that violates our standards," said Rob Leathern, product management director at Facebook. "In this case, we've removed the associated targeting fields in question. We know we have more work to do, so we're also building new guardrails in our product and review processes to prevent other issues like this from happening in the future."

      was corporatese for "an intern did it".

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    3. Re:Ever noticed how by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Because it's definitely not a thing? ..

    4. Re:Ever noticed how by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

      That's my dad-joke! Give it back!

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    5. Re:Ever noticed how by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So it's yet another -ism? In this case the Al-Gore-ism?

      Is that when you start talking nonsense and produce mostly hot air?

      And I know there's some AGW joke in there somewhere, too, but I'm in AlGoreism mode now. Someone else is gonna take care of it, I already pointed it out. Now I think I should write a book about it.

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  9. The money shot by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The devil is in the details:

    Last week, acting on a tip, we logged into Facebook’s automated ad system to see if “Jew hater” was really an ad category. We found it, but discovered that the category — with only 2,274 people in it — was too small for Facebook to allow us to buy an ad pegged only to Jew haters.

    Facebook’s automated system suggested “Second Amendment” as an additional category that would boost our audience size to 119,000 people, presumably because its system had correlated gun enthusiasts with anti-Semites.

    The site shows users how Facebook categorizes them. It doesn’t reveal the data it is buying about their offline lives.
    Instead, we chose additional categories that popped up when we typed in “jew h”: “How to burn Jews,” and “History of ‘why jews ruin the world.’” Then we added a category that Facebook suggested when we typed in “Hitler”: a category called “Hitler did nothing wrong.” All were described as “fields of study.”

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    1. Re: The money shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hitler did nothing wrong"

      I have it on good authority from Microsoft that this is true and factual. Why is it that computers always hate Jews?

    2. Re: The money shot by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      Fetch my gun Martha, it's them pesky liberal algorithms again.

    3. Re: The money shot by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Fetch my gun Martha, it's them pesky liberal algorithms again.

      Yeah, and it's those damn (((developers))) that come up with them algorithms.

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    4. Re: The money shot by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      We need to just stomp out Al Goreism before it corrupts our vital bodily polar icesheves.

    5. Re:The money shot by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      "How to burn jews" is such a silly thing I totally agree, it's not like burning Jews requires any special procedures that don't also work on all other humans. /sarcasm

  10. You're doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? As soon as you pigeon hole yourself as being persecuted you instantly become persecuted by no one but yourself. Make your own opportunities and learn to compete if you want to get anywhere in this world.

    1. Re: You're doing it wrong by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      You can't really tell that to the rabbits, and just ignore the overpopulation of foxes caused by removal of the foxes predators from the environment.

  11. Feature not bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why shouldn't Propublica be allowed to counter antisemitism with ads? It sounds like an optimistic use of the ad platform. Since the ads are clearly marked it should be appreciated by the prospective antisemites as above-board discussion and not fuel the (increasingly valid, TBQH) complaints of a Jewish censorship conspiracy infiltrating Silicon Valley.

    I'm not saying I think Jews are a problem, but I am saying that maybe buying ads is a better approach to countering antisemitism than getting Nazi Troll websites kicked off the Internet via sketchy backdoor deals with registrars and DDoS companies. The latter strategy will probably turn out to be counterproductive, but ads sound more like redirectmethod.org, an approach I think has more hope than liberal censorship.

  12. Not grouped by political affiliation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not grouped by political affiliation, it's more or less whether they believe in Jewish conspiracy run from Israel or not. And that in turn depends on the media they consume. (which usually is fringe stuff).

    If you flip it over, turn "Jew" to "Muslim", then its very similar with small groups believing that all muslims are somehow controlled by ISIS.

  13. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's dog and pony show.

  14. There's been several reports by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    of antisemitism there, but none the incidence have been traced to left leaning groups and the staff has consistently denounced antisemitism even if they don't outright ban it. As for why banning it isn't helpful, well there's a good reason why right here. Letting them hold their little rallies and seeing how few show up to rally is way more productive then banning them.

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  15. Re: Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah man watch what this horse does to that pony...

  16. How many used it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many used the term and what did they try to sell?

  17. Re:Anti-whites mean-while are just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These tards are a marketer's dream.

  18. Re: Anti-whites mean-while are just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Slashdot users should strongly support Black Lives Matter. The goals of BLM include promoting fair and responsible policing, and to eliminate the militarization of the police. Many users on this site believe that the police overstep their authority and violate the Constitution. Those views actually align pretty well with the goals of BLM. While blacks and a few other groups like Muslims are disproportionately targeted by law enforcement, that can just as easily be turned against others. BLM is not at all an anti-white group. They're a group for responsible and fair policing for everyone, and the name simply calls attention to the fact that blacks are disproportionately targeted. If you believe that police abuse their power, then you should support BLM.

  19. Discrimination by mentil · · Score: 1

    Aah, discrimination: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

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  20. Wow by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "After we contacted Facebook, it removed the anti-Semitic categories -- which were created by an algorithm rather than by people"

    On FB even the algorithms are Nazis, that's what we can expect from AI.

  21. Jews trying to silence dissent... what a shock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://balder.org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-Britain.php

    Anybody care to rebut anything on that webpage? Try to avoid using laughable terms like 'anti-semitic' or 'full of hate', or 'shame on you'...

    Why are Jews allowed to torture baby boys? Do you know what circumcision is? Why is this even legal? What sort of sick monsters do that to a baby?

    Any comments?

  22. Good! by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    Finally a way to target those vaginal douches to the most deserving audience.

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  23. ridiculous by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    So removing that category also removed them from existence and removes their profile data? Wow, who knew? In fact it magically makes racism go away by plugging your ears and pretending you don't hear it. That's SJW logic right there. By the way, "jew haters" buy products too.

    1. Re:ridiculous by mean+pun · · Score: 1

      So removing that category also removed them from existence and removes their profile data?

      That straw man is old and tired. If a hotel bans prostitutes from plying their trade in the hotel, the hotel staff doesn't have the illusion that they are ending prostitution, they just don't want to be associated with prostitution.

    2. Re:ridiculous by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      By the way, "jew haters" buy products too.

      Tiki torches, confederate flags, rope...

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    3. Re:ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Removing the categories that closely target racist/terrorist/paedo/whatever groups is helpful at stopping said groups from growing or strengthening. It's been well documented here on /. that (say) Reddit provides an 'echo chamber' for certain groups who then become overly fanatical. Well, by removing the 'categories', the 'echo chamber' is enlarged to include people who don't identify with the removed group. That dilutes the effect of the 'echo chamber', and allows for the core group to soften rather than strengthen.

      I don't think anyone claimed removing these categories solved the problem of racism or antisemitism. What they did was one small step towards that end, but that's all. Trying to solve the problem without taking small steps is somewhat futile.

  24. Re: Anti-whites mean-while are just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The things you said are why I used to support them.

  25. Sad thing really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One should also remember that a lot of this is just modern propaganda. Protesters are being silenced who criticise the genocide of Palestinians by the state of Israel. Since WW1 Israel has killed more palestinians than Nazis killed Jews. The area where Israel is now hold huge amount of Palestinian at the time of WW1. Their numbers have been reduced to a bare minimum, but they are still allowed to stay alive: if they are all gone, the world realises the scale of the genocide and stops supporting Israel and their allies.

    All this has been OK'd by USA, UK and France and the media reflects fully their decision.

    1. Re: Sad thing really... by lucasnate1 · · Score: 2

      Funny, after the holocaust there were no jews in germany. Somehow there are still millions of palestinians. That's a very ineffective genocide you accuse Israelis off.

      Also, regarding the "killed more than the nazis" part, for this to be true, Israel needs to kill 234.833659491 every day. Considering the facts we have no death camps, it is impossible to reach that daily number.

    2. Re: Sad thing really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, after the holocaust there were no jews in germany.

      I wonder who we were rescuing from concentration camps in that case.

      God damn you guys are stupid.

  26. Re: Anti-whites mean-while are just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Slashdot users should strongly support Black Lives Matter. The goals of BLM include promoting fair and responsible policing, and to eliminate the militarization of the police. Many users on this site believe that the police overstep their authority and violate the Constitution. Those views actually align pretty well with the goals of BLM. While blacks and a few other groups like Muslims are disproportionately targeted by law enforcement, that can just as easily be turned against others. BLM is not at all an anti-white group. They're a group for responsible and fair policing for everyone, and the name simply calls attention to the fact that blacks are disproportionately targeted. If you believe that police abuse their power, then you should support BLM.

    I ran out of mods so posting anon here. BLM is a wonderful response to the racial profiling that occurs because a great many racists chose to go into the policing profession for the wrong reasons. Many do it just for the power rush and in some ways they become effective officers because they thrive on dominance. This is turn is why so many have mental issues later on and lead very troubled home lives.

    Indeed racism in policing in general has historically been a great social shortcoming in our society. But it is not just the blacks who are effected deeply and abused by racists in the police forces of North America. In Canada some police are famous for deliberately taking Native Indians out of cities in the middle of winter and dropping them off in the freezing cold in the middle of nowhere. I am sure the same thing has happened in the US. To put it short systematic racism and tribalism is the greatest curse of our world and until we overcome it we have no right to call ourselves advanced as humans. Brings you to wonder why the aliens have avoided all interactive social contact with humans: perhaps it is only because we are biggest bunch of bigoted assholes in their known universe.

  27. Usefulness in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The British Labour Party could make good use of this in targeted marketing.

  28. Well I guess by Chrisq · · Score: 0

    Facebook Enabled Advertisers To Reach 'Jew Haters'

    Well I guess someone has to sell to the muslims

    1. Re:Well I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the Muslims have at least one thing in common with the rest of the world.

  29. So what? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    Facebook is just providing a category to advertisers here. It doesn't mean at all they will allow hate speech to appear in ads. And if they do, this is another but completely unrelated matter.
    TFA goes on and on about how they are outraged because they were able to submit an acceptable ad to be seen by unacceptable people. If it means that "jew haters" shouldn't be able to get ads, by all means, make me a Nazi.

    Removing the category also prevent anti hate speech organizations from targeting the people they want to change. I suppose it also prevents advertisers from filtering out "jew haters". Typical bury-your-head-in-the-sand type PR move. Removing the category won't make the people go away.
    And if anything, it won't stop advertisers who target these people for bad reasons. They are probably already using correlations to avoid scrutiny. As members of hate groups, they already know all they subtle ways they use to recognize each others.

  30. Studying vs Practicing by BirdBrained · · Score: 2

    If you look at the ad-buying screenshot, these categories are under "Education - Field of Study" which leads me to believe these are anthropologists as opposed to hate group members.

  31. Ukraine proverb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the Jew will always tell you about his beating, but never why.

    1. Re: Ukraine proverb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the Ukrainians
      Because someone has to make the Poles look sensible and openminded by comparison.

    2. Re: Ukraine proverb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's our little Putinistas again, trying to stir up mischief against Ukraine.

  32. Maybe the categories would be useful by mysidia · · Score: 0

    Show the people that fall into these categories ads aimed at changing their views. Or direct them to the nearest re-education camp, or whatever

  33. I know what they did. by AndyKron · · Score: 0

    So they removed the Trump category?

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  35. Re: Anti-whites mean-while are just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should support BLM philosophically, but the "deep seated" beliefs of your typical /. reader typically end at "but N!GGERS!"

  36. Re:Am I the only one who thinks that this is just by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    Indeed, there wasn't some employee at Facebook that said "hey, let's put these strings into our advertising system! We'll make great $$$!". It's there rudimentary "AI" system that is pulling in information from various places that determined this. It is more of a reflection of society and blame should not be laid out on Facebook. This really is a "shoot the messenger" scenario. As soon as Facebook realized what was happening, they took steps to rectify it. Their "AI" isn't really intelligent, it's just pattern matching, so GIGO.

  37. Re: Anti-whites mean-while are just fine by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    If BLM proponents have any brains left, the very LAST thing they want is the police to take a step back and drop their guns.

    Because who will be left with guns? Well, those who own it illegally and NRA members.

    And now let's ponder what history and recent events tell us how either of them views black people. I leave the answer to this to BLM proponents.

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  38. You just described APK's entire wardrobe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just described APK's entire wardrobe

  39. Marx by XXongo · · Score: 1

    The only claim I have seen making the case that Karl Marx was not an anti-Semite says that he was not saying that Jews were evil...just that self-identifying as Jewish was evil.

    Marx, of course, was himself Jewish. This would make him a self-hating Jew, which is quite a different stereotype than a anti-Semite.

    You might want to read Karl Marx's book "On The Jewish Question".

    And you might want to as well, since you're citing it without having read it.

  40. Why is this bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not a "bad" thing on its face. It could be used by groups like the SPLC or ADL to target advertising campaigns to people who might "need" it rather than waste their money preaching to the choir.

    What is it with this deep psychological need to be perpetually offended, and to set out in the world digging for things to be offended over? These are the people that deserve to be in concentration camps, not members of any particular race or religion.

  41. Re: Anti-whites mean-while are just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No they are proportionally targeted based on the crimes committed. Let's have cops rough up little old blue haired white ladies at the park with their great grand children instead of the drug dealers on the corner.

  42. Re: Anti-whites mean-while are just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a moron and you will be shot someday.

  43. Well .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... there goes the market for white bed sheets.

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  44. Don't Major Corporations Ever Learn? by careysub · · Score: 1

    If you create content by a purely random process, or else get content through user input (which is like random, only malicious and sick), you must filter out the objectionable material that is guaranteed to be there! Remember Tay, Microsoft's Nazi Teen Chat Bot?.

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  45. No Nazi here - why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: The Nazi's killed members of my family (children drained of blood for their soldiers' transfusions) & imprisoned my Grandfather, Grandmother, Father, Aunt & Uncle during WWII (forced labor camps) + stole their land & business (lumber), so you are WRONG - period.

    APK

    P.S.=> HOWEVER - Ask WHY Jews are so almost universally disliked though & WHY they've been banned in @ least 10 nations throughout history (not all were Nazi Germany - Russia, Spain, England, France, Argentina, Egypt + Rome) - Search Harold Wallace Rosenthal interview & see why, from a Jew (Khazar Pharisee Talmudic jew)... apk

  46. Nazis were not right wing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nazis were a splinter group of socialists bred from progressivism. Mussolini was a card-carrying Communist before he formed his Black Shirts.

    My best evidence is a Goebbels quote from 1925: "Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight."

    But there is much, much more.

  47. "Right wing" and "left wing" are weasel words by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > Except for the largest antisemitic group in history, the Nazis who were decidedly right wing.

    The National Socialists were authoritarian more than anything. And there have been plenty of authoritarians of every political stripe. They both enacted socialist policies and backstabbed other socialist groups to get what they wanted. Trying to lump people you hate in with the Nazis is the oldest game on the internet.

    The things that made Nazis uniquely terrible were the extermination campaign they waged in their death camps. So if you want to accuse someone of something, do it directly, rather than trying to smear people by association.

  48. No Censorship Required by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    OK so a Jew is traveling and wants his search engine to find the nearest synagogue for services. Being able to find every synagogue within 30 miles in a search engine would be a huge aid to race haters. (I am aware that Jews are not a race.) But if you start eliminating information that could be very useful for innocent users you are making a huge mistake. Let the loonies rant and rave. Let them march about in their weird choice of costumes. it makes it so easy to follow them home and pay special attention to them later.

  49. Short innings but a high run rate. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    True, but Tsarist Russia and the bead-jigglers were at it for centuries. The Nazis barely had a decade.

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    1. Re:Short innings but a high run rate. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It's not just Tsarist Russia. Stalin was responsible for killing more Jews than Hitler (though you'd have to be quite the victim of 1950s US propaganda to regard Stalin as left wing).

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    2. Re:Short innings but a high run rate. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That's unfair, singling out the 1950s like that.

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    3. Re:Short innings but a high run rate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a weird over-simplification: Killing Jews isn't really a left wing v. right wing sort of thing. Please post less.

  50. Good or Bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If its bad, il gladly type racist shit all over the internet if it makes facebook and google leave me alone.