Well the solution is, what they would probably provide would be lack of regulation. Far from the techno-utopia they envision, I could see this really becoming a floating, blighted black market, dealling in wepons, drugs, tax dogges, banking, spam/gambling/pron, human traficing, sweat shops. Also I really see "Real Piracy" being a threat, in a society like that murder/theft are only "wrong" if the other group has more people or guns than you. I don't think this idea stands a chance, human nature is not so "Enlightend" as libertarians think, what you'd have in the end is a floating Somalia.
well yes and no, I wish the energy market was freer. in an ideal system if he built the wind farm and it turned out bunk than he would go bankrupt, but in this case the gov. will still buy the energy so yeah were boned.
from an environmental point of view this could be a terrible thing. If we switch to wind our energy prices could skyrocket sending even more jobs to china, who doesn't care about burning coal. Leading to a poorer cleaner U.S. and a dirtier world.
Everyone bitches about high fuel costs and about how we need green alternatives, how stupid is that! It's called a price coordinated economy, If the price of oil rises than efficient vehicles become more economical. The worlds problems will solve themselves so long as all actors in the economy are allowed (free of government knee-jerk regulation) to follow whichever path yields the greatest efficiency (profit).
It's not for rich people, 250 for a blimp ride around San Fransisco is squarely in the middleclass, mom and pop, or honeymoon range. Plus I can only see the cost going down.
My argument is in no way flawed. If you were to make a hamburger duplicator, lets call it a Hamcorder and you came into my restaurant and bought my hamburger and stuck it in your shirt and started handing them out in front of my store you are stealing from me, Jefferson would agree with me. The value and theft isn't in the means of creation or the distribution method, but in the value added through production. Here's a real analogy: guy walking down the street spies a painter painting, the painter takes two minuets and produces the best picture the man ever saw, when he asks the painter how much for the painting the painter says $2000, The man yells "that's outrageous! you only took two minuets to make it," to which the painter would reply "well it has actually taken me a lifetime to paint it." Of course today the man would just take a picture of it with a camera phone and put it on torrent spy. Copyright law isn't going away and like I said, just because file sharing is easy doesn't make it legal. BTW say hello to DRM for me 'cuase thats all your going to get in the long run if you disregard the governments form of rights management. kleptocracy never works.
I don't see how Torrentspy geting fined for "helping ppl to watch films" is indictive of our system being corrupt. If I own a burger joint and someone creates a device that teleports hamburgers from my kitchen into someones home without paying me after I cooked it then that is illegal regardless of how its "helping ppl to eat burgers." Copyright law is fucked, but I don't think torrentspy got the pants sued off them for pirating 15 year old movies (which would be like teleporting someones half eaten already paid for burger into others homes), I think it has more to do with the camcorder bootlegs.
You, and a lot of people, seem to be trying to find justification. Just because filesharing is easy doesn't make it legal, I'm sure murder was easy until the invention of government to act as a type of Physical Rights Management.
A years salary for people in Burma is around 700 dollars, 30 is like 4 percent of that. That's being really generous. That's the equivalent of giving everyone in the country a 2 week vacation. Except Burma is corrupt as hell and the money will be used to buy more guns, which is why they're poor in the first place.
Actually god made the universe 6 minuets ago and he just created all our memories to make it seem longer. He also stops and starts the universe routinely but we don't notice because we can't see time.
actually I did say and do mean EQUAL, not fair. The figures I used for the amount paid were each 10% of their income, if the poor person made 10k and the wealthy man made 100k. I don't know where you get your regressive definition of "equal" but even the advocates of a flat tax would disagree. So while 1k is not physically equal to 10k, It is equal to charge by percentage of income when dealing with the government because the government will extract this money from you against your will. It is not like we can chose which government services we use or not to conduct the search like we can with market services where everyone pays the same sticker price.
I think you got it backwards. If in all three cases the cost of the search was $500,000 then yes, a poor person should only pay 1000. A wealthy man should pay 10,000, and Bill Gates should finance the whole thing. That is treating people equally, if they charged someone who made 10k a year and someone who made 100k, 10k for the search the 10k guy is geting f'ed in the A.
A larger disposible income means that it will hurt them equally to charge the weathyer more.
As for why charge them at all I don't think they should, but I can see the arguement "I don't wan't my taxes to help search for a missing rich person."
exactly, and most state colleges don't give any thing but text book knowledge like you say, but to get the job you need the piece of paper. I'm sure I could pay a professional from my field 15k to make me his assistant and teach me all he knows for a year and I'd know more and save money then when I'm done w/ school, but I'd never get hired since I don't have a degree.
You know, I think you hit it on the head with the revenue stream quote. I don't know how many times I've sat in class and thought about how I could be watching a video of the prof. and reading a standardized text book and not paying 2 grand a semester. In fact, I have had quite a few audio books on a subject that were better than the professor for about 600 dollars lees. Free-market is a joke in the U.S.
I remember doing electrical work in the server room 2 years ago for a fairly large supermarket chain and over in the corner they had this IBM computer from the early 80's still running.
it's generally good for every ethnic group to live in its own autonomous enclave. Are you FCKING KIDDING ME? How about WWI, WWII, Israel/palistine conflicts, and almost every major conflict in the history of the damn world. Puting people of a like past with a like mind usually leads then to getting rid of the unlike in a now more organized fashion. WWII was in essence a mechanized tribal war between the Anglo's the Saxons, and the Muscovites. The problems in china are because of this. Hanreich does what hyper nationalist countrys with a massive majority always do.
If they do implement this filter it still wouldn't know l337 speak. Which is fine since I've been naming all my files things like: T3h_Ul71m473_ch1ld3_pr0ns!!!!1.avi regardless of content for years anyway.
well first off a "comfortable" wage is relative and exactly what I'm talking about. The "comfortable" wage of an auto worker is somewhere around $75 an hour. They maintain that price through a labor monopoly, as such, I can't get that job, and American cars suck. A "comfortable" wage doesn't reflect the actual value of labor, which is determined by many things, but what the monopolists feel is "comfortable". Trying to limit immigration to maintain a "comfortable" wage to me is no differnt then any other monopolistic theft. Basically I think your right, yes it will lower wages, which does suck for you, but supply is relative to demand which means that demand would skyrocket eventually forming an equilibrium around what the labors worth, This all has huge benefits to the consumer, and more visibly, the big bosses, which historically have been greater then the loss to the few individuals, hence progress. Also in your favor, programing does require a greater investment in human capitol then fry cooking so the wages would never reach that low because then programmers would just take the easier fry cook job, and people would now immigrate for fry cook jobs. of course this doesn't take into account outsourcing or costs of training and living in foreign country's, but the arguments are similar. I recommend you read up on Absolute and comparative advantage.
If you think a situation like that were to happen it means that you think CS or programing is so easy anyone could do it. Which means you obviously think that cs or programmers are way overpaid as is and deserve government intervention to protect their jobs for some reason. So what your saying is that CS people are better than me and I should pay more to help maintain a labor monopoly? face it programing will be like any trade in a few years. You place protectionist barriers, than people will just buy the jap OS that runs on less resources, is cheaper, safer, and doesn't break down.
agree competent guards is a must, but also workers too. As a guard for a ware house that let a ton of questionable things go through, it really comes down to what the guards incentive is. most violations seem to be that the guard doesn't care. he wont get a bonus for stopping someone and if the place blows he won't get blamed.
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Well the solution is, what they would probably provide would be lack of regulation. Far from the techno-utopia they envision, I could see this really becoming a floating, blighted black market, dealling in wepons, drugs, tax dogges, banking, spam/gambling/pron, human traficing, sweat shops. Also I really see "Real Piracy" being a threat, in a society like that murder/theft are only "wrong" if the other group has more people or guns than you. I don't think this idea stands a chance, human nature is not so "Enlightend" as libertarians think, what you'd have in the end is a floating Somalia.
well yes and no, I wish the energy market was freer. in an ideal system if he built the wind farm and it turned out bunk than he would go bankrupt, but in this case the gov. will still buy the energy so yeah were boned.
from an environmental point of view this could be a terrible thing. If we switch to wind our energy prices could skyrocket sending even more jobs to china, who doesn't care about burning coal. Leading to a poorer cleaner U.S. and a dirtier world. Everyone bitches about high fuel costs and about how we need green alternatives, how stupid is that! It's called a price coordinated economy, If the price of oil rises than efficient vehicles become more economical. The worlds problems will solve themselves so long as all actors in the economy are allowed (free of government knee-jerk regulation) to follow whichever path yields the greatest efficiency (profit).
It's not for rich people, 250 for a blimp ride around San Fransisco is squarely in the middleclass, mom and pop, or honeymoon range. Plus I can only see the cost going down.
My argument is in no way flawed. If you were to make a hamburger duplicator, lets call it a Hamcorder and you came into my restaurant and bought my hamburger and stuck it in your shirt and started handing them out in front of my store you are stealing from me, Jefferson would agree with me. The value and theft isn't in the means of creation or the distribution method, but in the value added through production. Here's a real analogy: guy walking down the street spies a painter painting, the painter takes two minuets and produces the best picture the man ever saw, when he asks the painter how much for the painting the painter says $2000, The man yells "that's outrageous! you only took two minuets to make it," to which the painter would reply "well it has actually taken me a lifetime to paint it." Of course today the man would just take a picture of it with a camera phone and put it on torrent spy. Copyright law isn't going away and like I said, just because file sharing is easy doesn't make it legal. BTW say hello to DRM for me 'cuase thats all your going to get in the long run if you disregard the governments form of rights management. kleptocracy never works.
I don't see how Torrentspy geting fined for "helping ppl to watch films" is indictive of our system being corrupt. If I own a burger joint and someone creates a device that teleports hamburgers from my kitchen into someones home without paying me after I cooked it then that is illegal regardless of how its "helping ppl to eat burgers." Copyright law is fucked, but I don't think torrentspy got the pants sued off them for pirating 15 year old movies (which would be like teleporting someones half eaten already paid for burger into others homes), I think it has more to do with the camcorder bootlegs. You, and a lot of people, seem to be trying to find justification. Just because filesharing is easy doesn't make it legal, I'm sure murder was easy until the invention of government to act as a type of Physical Rights Management.
A years salary for people in Burma is around 700 dollars, 30 is like 4 percent of that. That's being really generous. That's the equivalent of giving everyone in the country a 2 week vacation. Except Burma is corrupt as hell and the money will be used to buy more guns, which is why they're poor in the first place.
Actually god made the universe 6 minuets ago and he just created all our memories to make it seem longer. He also stops and starts the universe routinely but we don't notice because we can't see time.
actually I did say and do mean EQUAL, not fair. The figures I used for the amount paid were each 10% of their income, if the poor person made 10k and the wealthy man made 100k. I don't know where you get your regressive definition of "equal" but even the advocates of a flat tax would disagree. So while 1k is not physically equal to 10k, It is equal to charge by percentage of income when dealing with the government because the government will extract this money from you against your will. It is not like we can chose which government services we use or not to conduct the search like we can with market services where everyone pays the same sticker price.
I think you got it backwards. If in all three cases the cost of the search was $500,000 then yes, a poor person should only pay 1000. A wealthy man should pay 10,000, and Bill Gates should finance the whole thing. That is treating people equally, if they charged someone who made 10k a year and someone who made 100k, 10k for the search the 10k guy is geting f'ed in the A. A larger disposible income means that it will hurt them equally to charge the weathyer more. As for why charge them at all I don't think they should, but I can see the arguement "I don't wan't my taxes to help search for a missing rich person."
Making fun of the Amish on the internet is like mooning a blind guy.
This sounds like somthing from Snow Crash
In America you make jokes about self assembling robots. In Soviet Russia the self assembling robot is you!
exactly, and most state colleges don't give any thing but text book knowledge like you say, but to get the job you need the piece of paper. I'm sure I could pay a professional from my field 15k to make me his assistant and teach me all he knows for a year and I'd know more and save money then when I'm done w/ school, but I'd never get hired since I don't have a degree.
You know, I think you hit it on the head with the revenue stream quote. I don't know how many times I've sat in class and thought about how I could be watching a video of the prof. and reading a standardized text book and not paying 2 grand a semester. In fact, I have had quite a few audio books on a subject that were better than the professor for about 600 dollars lees. Free-market is a joke in the U.S.
Am I the only one who secretly hopes storm is a living entity that may try to destroy mankind?
I remember doing electrical work in the server room 2 years ago for a fairly large supermarket chain and over in the corner they had this IBM computer from the early 80's still running.
I think so too, to cave in and change his story when it was the truth is wrong. Imagine if they did that during Watergate.
If they do implement this filter it still wouldn't know l337 speak. Which is fine since I've been naming all my files things like: T3h_Ul71m473_ch1ld3_pr0ns!!!!1.avi regardless of content for years anyway.
well first off a "comfortable" wage is relative and exactly what I'm talking about. The "comfortable" wage of an auto worker is somewhere around $75 an hour. They maintain that price through a labor monopoly, as such, I can't get that job, and American cars suck. A "comfortable" wage doesn't reflect the actual value of labor, which is determined by many things, but what the monopolists feel is "comfortable". Trying to limit immigration to maintain a "comfortable" wage to me is no differnt then any other monopolistic theft. Basically I think your right, yes it will lower wages, which does suck for you, but supply is relative to demand which means that demand would skyrocket eventually forming an equilibrium around what the labors worth, This all has huge benefits to the consumer, and more visibly, the big bosses, which historically have been greater then the loss to the few individuals, hence progress. Also in your favor, programing does require a greater investment in human capitol then fry cooking so the wages would never reach that low because then programmers would just take the easier fry cook job, and people would now immigrate for fry cook jobs. of course this doesn't take into account outsourcing or costs of training and living in foreign country's, but the arguments are similar. I recommend you read up on Absolute and comparative advantage.
If you think a situation like that were to happen it means that you think CS or programing is so easy anyone could do it. Which means you obviously think that cs or programmers are way overpaid as is and deserve government intervention to protect their jobs for some reason. So what your saying is that CS people are better than me and I should pay more to help maintain a labor monopoly? face it programing will be like any trade in a few years. You place protectionist barriers, than people will just buy the jap OS that runs on less resources, is cheaper, safer, and doesn't break down.
agree competent guards is a must, but also workers too. As a guard for a ware house that let a ton of questionable things go through, it really comes down to what the guards incentive is. most violations seem to be that the guard doesn't care. he wont get a bonus for stopping someone and if the place blows he won't get blamed.