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Yes, I completely sound like a kid that's whining. Because that's how I feel at the moment.
I'm comparing Linux to this in the fact that it's Open, and it's free. My project is not novel in its function, it's novel in that it's Open Source where all the other implmentations are not. It's also novel in that you can clone it if you so desire.
The site itself is not original. The fact that "Catster", "Birdster" or even "Hamster" could be running off this codebase, is.
I know you'll probably see me as entirely wrong in these points, but I thought I'd put that out as food for thought.
It's not like it's a black box. You can always download the source to the project and take a look at it that way. Hell, start your own clone site from it.
There are approximately 825 signups right now. But it's one of those things where publicity helps, and spreading the word helps.
Dogster. Wonderful. I write an Open Source Social Network program, and Slashdot rejects any sort of story on it only to put a story about Dogster.
Sorry, but I feel a little shunned. I do have a little bit of pride in what I do, and things like this kind of shatter it.
Yeah, I know, the type of site I'm doing has been done... But then again, does that make Linux "Just Another Kernel?" I'm sure that would be up for debate.
Yes everyone, the ideal is novel. But hello, anyone? This is news for NERDS, not, news for dogs. We typically like things like anime, Open Source, Star Wars and SCO. This fits under neither.
This wasn't even marked as "Humor". I'm not laughing anyway.
In Saudi Arabia and many other muslim countries, you can get divorced by text message!
Hmmm. I wonder if you can get divorced by web page. I'd create a nice little dynamic script (Perl or PHP) that puts "I divorce you" 10000 times on the screen.
I'd then link each of my four wives at the time to the page. They'd be reading it while I'm on the plane back to America.
Is that not enough for you? Think before you answer, if it isn't, then how ever did you make a purchasing decision before Napster/Kazaa/et al allowed you the "freedom" to tkae the music, listen to it, and then buy what you like.
30 seconds is nowhere near enough to gauge the quality of a song. That is, unless it consis
You're entitled to believe what you want. It doesn't really matter either way. Report me to the RIAA. Whatever.
Before Napster, there was FTP search. And before that, I wasn't keen on music, period... At all. I was 15 at the time. The only thing I had listened to before was classical music.
I am a person who started listening to music because of the advent of mp3. Simple as that.
You aren't being converted because you like stealing music. That's the truth isn't it? Free is better to you. be honest with yourself and then think about the price of your own honor. Isn't it worth more than a dollar?
I buy what I listen to. I discard what I don't.
If you look on my computer, you'll see mostly songs extracted from CD's I own, and Remixes which are free.
I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever with downloading music for free. Doing so has been the source of every purchase I have ever made music wise. Maybe there aren't as many people like me. Or maybe the music industry should re-evaluate the fact that the $1200 or so in music I have comes from discovering it in a free medium.
In the end I end up buying music that I like and appreciate anyway.
If I had no honor whatsoever, I wouldn't own any CD's. They would be all burned CD's lined up along my wall.
I posted an idea similar to this on slashdot here, which
would essentially involve sendmail digitally signing messages that it sends and then
having receiving mail servers verify it. I think
most of the people who read the idea misinterpreted it as forcing us to get digital certs
through verisign, which was NOT what I was implying.
See, now this is a much better idea than "email postage" and "computationally expensive"
sending of email. This way, the accountability falls down to individual email addresses,
and domains for sending UCE.
It's FAR easier to track emails and their likelyhood of sending spam than the
actual messages themselves (after all, buyviagra@biggerpenis.org is most likely sending you spam).
This, combined with a spam filter could do the trick.
Congratulations Microsoft for actually partnering with somebody who matters is this
whole affair. I'm hoping the other companies like Yahoo and AOL follow suit with this strategy,
and a solution becomes standardized.
Each song may well be $0.99, but a full album is most often $9.99.
True, but what happens if I were to say download one song, and then want the whole CD? Do I pay $9 + $2, or do I pay $13-$15 total. There's no reward for sampling.
You do get artwork. It appears right there in iTunes.
Interesting. Guess you got me there.
The format's lossy, true. It's up to you if you can't possibly stand less than 44,100/16-bit.
It's not so much about if I can stand it or not, it's that I'm getting an inferior reproduction to what I can get at a store or on a free network (if I search hard enough). I think retail places would score a bullet point if they said, "higher quality versions than what's available elsewhere."
The extras is a good point. But then I don't see online music stores as replacements for real CDs, just complimentary.
What I think would be key is if music stores would let you download the versions of the songs right away, and then ship the CD to you. DRM might not be such an issue if a hard DRM-free copy is on the way.;)
Sorry, but I'm still not turned on to the idea of online music downloads.
To me, $0.99 per song is still a jack. If a track has 13-15 songs per album, that's
$13 - $15 for all the tracks on the CD. Considering that I get no artwork, no packaging,
no permanent format, that's a rip off.
The file format is lossy. I'd be paying for a lower quality representation than what I could buy at a store for the same price.
DRM is a bitch.
I can get the same thing, or a higher quality version online.
Sorry, but there has to be some more incentive for me to buy into the system.
$0.50 a song is a good starting point, $1.00 for a FLAC version of the song.
Printout art available when purchasing all the songs on the CD.
ISO downloads. A lot of CD's come with extra's for the PC. Quite simply, it's one
of the things that makes me buy the CD rather than just donwload the song (other than
actually liking the band). Add this, and I'll start reconsidering.
Stop being a bitch about giving this stuff to my friends. Do you know how many
friends I've turned on to certain groups of music just by giving them a song? *cough* WeedShare anyone? Apple and Napster can learn from this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the arguments are very old in this post, and it's all been said before.
But nothing's being done, and I'm still not being converted over. Considering how much of a
computer user I am, this is rather surprising.
So, if someone steals my thumbprint and replicates it, do I cut off my thumb and grow a new one?
Biometrics is BS to me. There *should* be some level of abstraction between who you are, and proof of who you are. A pin # is a lot easier to replace than a finger or thumb, or retinal scan.
Plus, I don't want that sort of information accessible to everyone out there.
Of course, does it really count if the same story appears on a *different* page? Or a different website.
Maybe it's time that slashdot subscribers get a cached version of the story hosted on slashdot. That way, when an editor is about to submit a duplicate story, it'll check for similar articles cached on the site. That way this kind of thing doesn't keep happening. Hell... Slashdot editors won't even have to read slashdot anymore!
Thank you CmdrTaco for rejecting the story I just submitted in favor of this one. And I *know* the story I submitted wasn't a duplicate, or else my web server would have felt it.;)
weigh the total cost of protection versus the risk of being sued by SCO (or maybe someone else).
And then your response:
Spoken like a true low-level pussy. You can get sued these days whether the other side has a case or not. Some cases are just to keep you distracted while one of their partners moves in on your deal. If the threat of litigation puts you off these days, you might as well consign yourself to a life of being someone else's bitch because that's all you're going to be. If the other side knows that's all it takes, they'll make it a reality.
As much as I love your don't-take-shit-from-nobody stance towards lawsuits and the like, in many cases the choice you make affects more people than just you. In my case, I'm Chief Technical Officer of a small web design firm. I have the option to use a Linux or a Windows server. Which server do I install? If I install Linux, what are the odds that SCO will go after me? If SCO *does* go after me, for how much?
In my scenario, the chance that SCO will go after my company is extremely small, say 1/10000. If we decide to pay the $700 to make them go away, with probability this factors to an additional $0.07 to factor into Total Cost of Ownership. Big deal. I personally like my odds.
If your legal fees end up going over what the other side is asking for, it's not worth it.
If you're a 15 year old kid downloading mp3's and get busted by the RIAA, do you fight it through? Or do you negociate to minimize the dent in your college fund?
In the case of a company like Google, a suit from SCO will most likely claim 5-7 million in damages. A large company with a lot more to lose will be sure to fight the fight to the bitter end.
It's basic bean counting. It's how business works nowadays.
And finally:
Some cases are just to keep you distracted while one of their partners moves in on your deal.
Your stance is fight the good fight. If the company suing you is trying to distract you, they'll do a pretty good job of it if you fight tooth and nail at it.
Calculate your risks. It might save you a pretty penny or two;-)
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I'm comparing Linux to this in the fact that it's Open, and it's free. My project is not novel in its function, it's novel in that it's Open Source where all the other implmentations are not. It's also novel in that you can clone it if you so desire.
The site itself is not original. The fact that "Catster", "Birdster" or even "Hamster" could be running off this codebase, is.
I know you'll probably see me as entirely wrong in these points, but I thought I'd put that out as food for thought.
There are approximately 825 signups right now. But it's one of those things where publicity helps, and spreading the word helps.
Sorry Slashdot readers, but I'm a little pissed.
Dogster. Wonderful. I write an Open Source Social Network program, and Slashdot rejects any sort of story on it only to put a story about Dogster.
Sorry, but I feel a little shunned. I do have a little bit of pride in what I do, and things like this kind of shatter it.
Yeah, I know, the type of site I'm doing has been done... But then again, does that make Linux "Just Another Kernel?" I'm sure that would be up for debate.
Yes everyone, the ideal is novel. But hello, anyone? This is news for NERDS, not, news for dogs. We typically like things like anime, Open Source, Star Wars and SCO. This fits under neither.
This wasn't even marked as "Humor". I'm not laughing anyway.
/Rant off.
Hmmm. I wonder if you can get divorced by web page. I'd create a nice little dynamic script (Perl or PHP) that puts "I divorce you" 10000 times on the screen.
I'd then link each of my four wives at the time to the page. They'd be reading it while I'm on the plane back to America.
"Bring out the gimp..."
"But the gimp's prelease."
Well I guess you're just gonna have to go CVS him now won't you."
Check the ports directory, dumbass. ;)
How ironic considering my current open source project.
Is that not enough for you? Think before you answer, if it isn't, then how ever did you make a purchasing decision before Napster/Kazaa/et al allowed you the "freedom" to tkae the music, listen to it, and then buy what you like.
30 seconds is nowhere near enough to gauge the quality of a song. That is, unless it consis
You're entitled to believe what you want. It doesn't really matter either way. Report me to the RIAA. Whatever.
Before Napster, there was FTP search. And before that, I wasn't keen on music, period... At all. I was 15 at the time. The only thing I had listened to before was classical music.
I am a person who started listening to music because of the advent of mp3. Simple as that.
Hey, that's *my* email address!
Sorry, but now all the spambots are going to pick up your email address and spam you.
HA HA! Serves you right! Taste of your own medicine ;).
Yes I did. I know about Yahoo and AOL's ventures. What I'm saying is that AOL and Yahoo follow suit with THIS authentication plugin.
What good is "email caller ID" when there are 50 different implementations of it?
I buy what I listen to. I discard what I don't.
If you look on my computer, you'll see mostly songs extracted from CD's I own, and Remixes which are free.
I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever with downloading music for free. Doing so has been the source of every purchase I have ever made music wise. Maybe there aren't as many people like me. Or maybe the music industry should re-evaluate the fact that the $1200 or so in music I have comes from discovering it in a free medium.
In the end I end up buying music that I like and appreciate anyway.
If I had no honor whatsoever, I wouldn't own any CD's. They would be all burned CD's lined up along my wall.
Nice try, but my honor is in tact.
I posted an idea similar to this on slashdot here, which would essentially involve sendmail digitally signing messages that it sends and then having receiving mail servers verify it. I think most of the people who read the idea misinterpreted it as forcing us to get digital certs through verisign, which was NOT what I was implying.
See, now this is a much better idea than "email postage" and "computationally expensive" sending of email. This way, the accountability falls down to individual email addresses, and domains for sending UCE.
It's FAR easier to track emails and their likelyhood of sending spam than the actual messages themselves (after all, buyviagra@biggerpenis.org is most likely sending you spam).
This, combined with a spam filter could do the trick.
Congratulations Microsoft for actually partnering with somebody who matters is this whole affair. I'm hoping the other companies like Yahoo and AOL follow suit with this strategy, and a solution becomes standardized.
Each song may well be $0.99, but a full album is most often $9.99.
True, but what happens if I were to say download one song, and then want the whole CD? Do I pay $9 + $2, or do I pay $13-$15 total. There's no reward for sampling.
You do get artwork. It appears right there in iTunes.
Interesting. Guess you got me there.
The format's lossy, true. It's up to you if you can't possibly stand less than 44,100/16-bit.
It's not so much about if I can stand it or not, it's that I'm getting an inferior reproduction to what I can get at a store or on a free network (if I search hard enough). I think retail places would score a bullet point if they said, "higher quality versions than what's available elsewhere."
The extras is a good point. But then I don't see online music stores as replacements for real CDs, just complimentary.
What I think would be key is if music stores would let you download the versions of the songs right away, and then ship the CD to you. DRM might not be such an issue if a hard DRM-free copy is on the way. ;)
Sorry, but I'm still not turned on to the idea of online music downloads.
Sorry, but there has to be some more incentive for me to buy into the system.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the arguments are very old in this post, and it's all been said before. But nothing's being done, and I'm still not being converted over. Considering how much of a computer user I am, this is rather surprising.
Biometrics is BS to me. There *should* be some level of abstraction between who you are, and proof of who you are. A pin # is a lot easier to replace than a finger or thumb, or retinal scan.
Plus, I don't want that sort of information accessible to everyone out there.
Are we forgetting about Internet Explorer?
If you don't believe me, try creating a div field over a select dropdown... Horrible.
I'm so glad this version of FireBird renders CSS properly... no wait...
I'm so glad to be living in the US, just to know that my tax dollars go towards making a version of The Sims on crack.
But the part that pisses me off is that they won't let me pl
Just imagine, one pen a different color (Red, Blue, Black, Yellow and Pink).
Camera!
Virtual Keyboard
Output!
Phone!
CPU!
I can imagine there would also be Green, Purple and White pens. These would be evil addon pens.
I can't imagine what they'd fight against. It would be the lamest thing since Gumby.
What else do you want to know, maybe Slashdot will interview me.
My sig says all. Guess it's not slashdot worthy.
Yeah, at least if you're gonna kill your brain cells, do it with something fun like booze, pot or ecstacy.
Like the Joker says, "If you gotta go, go with a smile!"
The slashdot article where this story already appeared is here:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/06/194322 9&mode=nested
I think this is the third time this story has been posted.
Googled version to NY Times story
Of course, does it really count if the same story appears on a *different* page? Or a different website.
Maybe it's time that slashdot subscribers get a cached version of the story hosted on slashdot. That way, when an editor is about to submit a duplicate story, it'll check for similar articles cached on the site. That way this kind of thing doesn't keep happening. Hell... Slashdot editors won't even have to read slashdot anymore!
Thank you CmdrTaco for rejecting the story I just submitted in favor of this one. And I *know* the story I submitted wasn't a duplicate, or else my web server would have felt it. ;)
You really are my hero.
And then your response:
As much as I love your don't-take-shit-from-nobody stance towards lawsuits and the like, in many cases the choice you make affects more people than just you. In my case, I'm Chief Technical Officer of a small web design firm. I have the option to use a Linux or a Windows server. Which server do I install? If I install Linux, what are the odds that SCO will go after me? If SCO *does* go after me, for how much?
In my scenario, the chance that SCO will go after my company is extremely small, say 1/10000. If we decide to pay the $700 to make them go away, with probability this factors to an additional $0.07 to factor into Total Cost of Ownership. Big deal. I personally like my odds.
If your legal fees end up going over what the other side is asking for, it's not worth it.
If you're a 15 year old kid downloading mp3's and get busted by the RIAA, do you fight it through? Or do you negociate to minimize the dent in your college fund?
In the case of a company like Google, a suit from SCO will most likely claim 5-7 million in damages. A large company with a lot more to lose will be sure to fight the fight to the bitter end.
It's basic bean counting. It's how business works nowadays.
And finally:
Some cases are just to keep you distracted while one of their partners moves in on your deal.
Your stance is fight the good fight. If the company suing you is trying to distract you, they'll do a pretty good job of it if you fight tooth and nail at it.
Calculate your risks. It might save you a pretty penny or two ;-)