And now you're with her dad's agency too.....bad move dude.
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It wasn't that terrible. Still has much of the twisted sense of humor even if they couldn't use guns.
Minsky is in his own little world
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If there were actually interesting work in AI that didn't involve soldering little robots together, there'd be people doing it. But there isn't, really, much that's generally appealing in the field at Minsky's level or using his approaches.
I suspect part of Minsky's problem is frustration that his ideas about AI aren't bearing fruit, so he's going to take it out on other people's different approaches. It's not much different from the Perceptrons paper he co-wrote in the late 60's that nearly killed Neural Network research for most of the next decade. Never mind that there was plenty of useful neural network research to be done that avoided the failings of the perceptron model.
In my opinion, if we had the wholistic understanding of intelligence that would let us use Minsky's type of approach to AI, there wouldn't be anything left to do but implementation! One cannot just a priori assume all principles of intelligence by self-examination, and that's where he fails. There are interesting things to learn in that approach, but a large number of them have already been learned, so people are turning to other means (bottom up approaches focussing on self organization are doing well and leading to new discoveries) to get a broader understanding of what is involved in intelligence.
Just because Minsky has sour grapes doesn't mean that the robot people aren't doing useful research.
You shouldn't be just using starting salary to decide this issue. While it is important, you also need to look at overall earning potential. My "likely" starting salary was in the $40k range, but I opted to start my career at a university, so my actual starting salary was under $30k. But it was never beyond my means to make the monthly payments (mine were all federally secured, can't speak for the other types of loans), and after 8 years I had moved to a job that was closer to $50k. With some options I was even able to pay off early, though in the current economy I wouldn't advice relying on that. But 7 years at a pittance academic salary was still not so terrible as to make me think I shouldn't have had those loans.
Interesting, but impractical. How long is that lovely full orchestra hit that everyone used in the early 80's (you know, from Yes "Leave It" to Art of Noise to....you name it). It's probably no longer than some single notes. At which point you'll have insanity like the guy who was sued for copyright infringement against Cage's 4'33".
Last time I was using my pee for target practice (about second grade) waving all that around made for much worse sanitation than simply focussing on one spot.
I think you need to make a better case that Tivoli is anything like N1. My understanding of Tivoli is that it's a system management framework. N1 is attempting to move the discussion above the systems level to the applications architecture, leveraging the SunONE/iPlanet/Netscape products. What am I missing?
An institutional buyer made a large purchase of Sun Stock. That fueled rumors about a buyout, but it seems a lot more likely that after reporting (admittedly very modest) profits in the last quarter and one analyst recently shifting Sun to buy, some institutional buyer wanted to get some "bargain" stock that they think will appreciate well in the coming years. Given how steady the stock price has been between 3 & 4 dollars, it does seem likely that it's bottomed out, so unless you think Sun is imminently going out of business (which I sure don't) this kind of buy seems to make sense more from that standpoint than from any bs about being bought by a bigger player.
As far as it goes, Sun's culture is so antithetical to IBM and to the "new" HP that I can't see either of them wanting to take Sun on....
So they can slam OSS, but what about going the other way? I've heard of software stealing GPL code in part and in whole, making modifications, and not releasing the source again. Some have been caught, I'm willing to bet a whole lot more haven't been.
Excuse me? I'm not saying "nothing can touch me" I'm saying the government is out to touch people they have no business touching. Possibly me. Possibly you. The government is a much more clear and present danger to me than any terrorist, because they've demonstrated their ability to break the rules and destroy lives many time over the terrorists, regardless of innocence. If being able and willing to destroy innocent lives with complete disregard is a criterion for being a terrorist, I think it's clear that our government shoudl be on its own lists.
'cos you know, we've had planes crashing into skyscrapers every other week for the last two years.....
I'm sorry but I can't buy the whole "national security" argument that the feds have to be able to break all the rules for some people, when those "some people" haven't made very many successful attacks (as opposed to, say all the gangland killings that go on; that's terrorizing inner city neighborhoods where people don't have the money to run away and live somewhere else, but are we giving it much attention? Hell no. Oh, and those folks get locked up under standard rules of due process too, woohoo!).
Beyond that, I'm amazed that you can sit there and claim that Mike Hawash was a clear and present danger to the US that deserved being locked up, based on such flimsy accusations. I don't like Jose Pedillo being locked up either, but at least I can acknowledge there looks to be a serious threat from him. "Mike Hawash went to China and couldn't get into Afghanistan". Whooooo I'm scared.
We'll see if you're saying "oh fucking well" when it's your rights being violated next.
Seems like this is a Tivo vs. MythTV type discussion. If you really want to build your own, more power to you, but the netbotz boxes rock and you don't have to reinvent any wheels.
Religious fundamentalists had no place in our government.
You really need to be telling GWB that.:-)
Aside from that, I have to concede that I see some of your points. However, I am still deeply suspicious that what will actually be done is more along the lines of what I fear: we will set up a puppet state, which will backfire in all sorts of ways. You state a good case, but I am cynical about that being the case actually pursued by GWB and crew.
If it's circumstantial or just plain crap, he'll go free.
After having his life more or less destroyed. I feel so comforted, especially knowing that the government got to terrorize his family for 6 weeks with no indication of why.
Here's an even better example of the extent of our government's duplicity. And you don't think these guys would make mistakes (to be generous) about someone? Too bad that once you're an "enemy combatant" no mistakes can be corrected.....
Some of us distinguish between absolutism, the view that there are some universally true moral precepts, and infalliblism, the view that one cannot be wrong about one's moral judgments. The former has been smeared with the latter for far too long. Most people who espouse relativism seem to be really inveighing in favor of some principle of tolerance (but y'know, if it's not right for you to be tolerant, well, then...).
Good point. I'm curious though, how it is that one can state unequivocally that Islamic Fundamentalism (in particular when used as a basis for government) is wrong in an absolutist sense without having full confidence in the infallability of one's judgement. After all, if one reads the Koran, one sees a lot of moral judgements that are very similar in character to those of Judaism and Christianity, and it is only in the very very far fringes and some particularly specific details that they differ. Jihad, for one example, has been explained to me by a more moderate muslim as being "the war against one's own bad impulses" and so seems quite analogous to what is sung about in "Onward Christian Soldier"--hardly different from Christianity at all. It is only those who take things to the extreme who seem to argue otherwise, and if you think there aren't extremist Christians who argue for "holy war" against the unbelievers, you've got your head in the sand.
And just to be clear, I meant key decision makers in the FORMATION of their new government, obviously we can't maintain an obvious role in the government itself (though I'd be amazed to hear we didn't have a covert one).
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Just because Minsky complains that everyone is doing it doesn't make it so.
And now you're with her dad's agency too.....bad move dude.
It wasn't that terrible. Still has much of the twisted sense of humor even if they couldn't use guns.
I suspect part of Minsky's problem is frustration that his ideas about AI aren't bearing fruit, so he's going to take it out on other people's different approaches. It's not much different from the Perceptrons paper he co-wrote in the late 60's that nearly killed Neural Network research for most of the next decade. Never mind that there was plenty of useful neural network research to be done that avoided the failings of the perceptron model.
In my opinion, if we had the wholistic understanding of intelligence that would let us use Minsky's type of approach to AI, there wouldn't be anything left to do but implementation! One cannot just a priori assume all principles of intelligence by self-examination, and that's where he fails. There are interesting things to learn in that approach, but a large number of them have already been learned, so people are turning to other means (bottom up approaches focussing on self organization are doing well and leading to new discoveries) to get a broader understanding of what is involved in intelligence.
Just because Minsky has sour grapes doesn't mean that the robot people aren't doing useful research.
You shouldn't be just using starting salary to decide this issue. While it is important, you also need to look at overall earning potential. My "likely" starting salary was in the $40k range, but I opted to start my career at a university, so my actual starting salary was under $30k. But it was never beyond my means to make the monthly payments (mine were all federally secured, can't speak for the other types of loans), and after 8 years I had moved to a job that was closer to $50k. With some options I was even able to pay off early, though in the current economy I wouldn't advice relying on that. But 7 years at a pittance academic salary was still not so terrible as to make me think I shouldn't have had those loans.
Interesting, but impractical. How long is that lovely full orchestra hit that everyone used in the early 80's (you know, from Yes "Leave It" to Art of Noise to....you name it). It's probably no longer than some single notes. At which point you'll have insanity like the guy who was sued for copyright infringement against Cage's 4'33".
Whereas if I listen to it, "reverse engineer it", and play it note-perfect myself just to reuse it, I'm not stealing?
EIW! To be breathing down my throat it'd have to be kissing me!
Last time I was using my pee for target practice (about second grade) waving all that around made for much worse sanitation than simply focussing on one spot.
Are you really so naive as to believe that the fascism that Ashcroft and Bush are bringing us would prevent a terrorist from nuking an American city?
You're losing your mind if you think Sun wants to be bought out.
I think you need to make a better case that Tivoli is anything like N1. My understanding of Tivoli is that it's a system management framework. N1 is attempting to move the discussion above the systems level to the applications architecture, leveraging the SunONE/iPlanet/Netscape products. What am I missing?
An institutional buyer made a large purchase of Sun Stock. That fueled rumors about a buyout, but it seems a lot more likely that after reporting (admittedly very modest) profits in the last quarter and one analyst recently shifting Sun to buy, some institutional buyer wanted to get some "bargain" stock that they think will appreciate well in the coming years. Given how steady the stock price has been between 3 & 4 dollars, it does seem likely that it's bottomed out, so unless you think Sun is imminently going out of business (which I sure don't) this kind of buy seems to make sense more from that standpoint than from any bs about being bought by a bigger player.
As far as it goes, Sun's culture is so antithetical to IBM and to the "new" HP that I can't see either of them wanting to take Sun on....
Welcome to being the boiled frog.
Now that I've actually read TFA (hadn't before posting) it's good to see that I can get moderated +5 insightful for repeating Bruce Perens words. Bah.
So they can slam OSS, but what about going the other way? I've heard of software stealing GPL code in part and in whole, making modifications, and not releasing the source again. Some have been caught, I'm willing to bet a whole lot more haven't been.
Excuse me? I'm not saying "nothing can touch me" I'm saying the government is out to touch people they have no business touching. Possibly me. Possibly you. The government is a much more clear and present danger to me than any terrorist, because they've demonstrated their ability to break the rules and destroy lives many time over the terrorists, regardless of innocence. If being able and willing to destroy innocent lives with complete disregard is a criterion for being a terrorist, I think it's clear that our government shoudl be on its own lists.
I'm sorry but I can't buy the whole "national security" argument that the feds have to be able to break all the rules for some people, when those "some people" haven't made very many successful attacks (as opposed to, say all the gangland killings that go on; that's terrorizing inner city neighborhoods where people don't have the money to run away and live somewhere else, but are we giving it much attention? Hell no. Oh, and those folks get locked up under standard rules of due process too, woohoo!).
Beyond that, I'm amazed that you can sit there and claim that Mike Hawash was a clear and present danger to the US that deserved being locked up, based on such flimsy accusations. I don't like Jose Pedillo being locked up either, but at least I can acknowledge there looks to be a serious threat from him. "Mike Hawash went to China and couldn't get into Afghanistan". Whooooo I'm scared.
We'll see if you're saying "oh fucking well" when it's your rights being violated next.
Seems like this is a Tivo vs. MythTV type discussion. If you really want to build your own, more power to you, but the netbotz boxes rock and you don't have to reinvent any wheels.
Mod this up further, we deployed a netbot in a lab environment and it was striaghtforward to use, and does a great job.
You really need to be telling GWB that. :-)
Aside from that, I have to concede that I see some of your points. However, I am still deeply suspicious that what will actually be done is more along the lines of what I fear: we will set up a puppet state, which will backfire in all sorts of ways. You state a good case, but I am cynical about that being the case actually pursued by GWB and crew.
After having his life more or less destroyed. I feel so comforted, especially knowing that the government got to terrorize his family for 6 weeks with no indication of why.
Here's an even better example of the extent of our government's duplicity. And you don't think these guys would make mistakes (to be generous) about someone? Too bad that once you're an "enemy combatant" no mistakes can be corrected.....
Some of us distinguish between absolutism, the view that there are some universally true moral precepts, and infalliblism, the view that one cannot be wrong about one's moral judgments. The former has been smeared with the latter for far too long. Most people who espouse relativism seem to be really inveighing in favor of some principle of tolerance (but y'know, if it's not right for you to be tolerant, well, then ...).
Good point. I'm curious though, how it is that one can state unequivocally that Islamic Fundamentalism (in particular when used as a basis for government) is wrong in an absolutist sense without having full confidence in the infallability of one's judgement. After all, if one reads the Koran, one sees a lot of moral judgements that are very similar in character to those of Judaism and Christianity, and it is only in the very very far fringes and some particularly specific details that they differ. Jihad, for one example, has been explained to me by a more moderate muslim as being "the war against one's own bad impulses" and so seems quite analogous to what is sung about in "Onward Christian Soldier"--hardly different from Christianity at all. It is only those who take things to the extreme who seem to argue otherwise, and if you think there aren't extremist Christians who argue for "holy war" against the unbelievers, you've got your head in the sand.
And just to be clear, I meant key decision makers in the FORMATION of their new government, obviously we can't maintain an obvious role in the government itself (though I'd be amazed to hear we didn't have a covert one).