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The Hiring, Firing and Re-Hiring of Spider-Man

Obiwan Kenobi writes "Remember that rumor that Tobey McGuire was fired and Jake Gyllenhaal was going to be Spider-Man? Well, it's true. According to the LA Times, McGuire's unwillingness to reveal the extent of his back injuries from his last project (Seabiscuit) resulted in a huge power struggle that incurred the wrath of Universal president Ron Meyer (whose daughter is 'coincidentally' dating McGuire), a pissed off Sam Raimi, and a now-fired agent. Interesting read about the politics of making a big budget blockbuster." Really just a gossipy story frankly, but McGuire seems to be in for the sequel despite the back problems.

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  1. YOU DID IT!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    http://www.macslash2.org

  2. Banging the boss's daughter... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Normally puts you at a disadvantage.

    Tobey - Do NOT dump this girl. You will pay dearly.

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    1. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly. How do you think he hurt his back ?

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    2. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by Schezar · · Score: 5, Funny

      That Seabiscuit can be rough in the sack I hear.

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    3. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Funny

      She's been reported as saying, "Hump me, dopey one named Tobey! You're my only hope."

    4. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Funny

      You sure it wasn't Michael Douglas from Wiseguys?

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    5. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by elmegil · · Score: 5, Funny
      Do NOT dump this girl. You will pay dearly.

      And now you're with her dad's agency too.....bad move dude.

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    6. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by TopShelf · · Score: 0, Informative

      err... Wiseguys, Wonder Boys, whatever!

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    7. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if you ever banged anything, smarty pants...

    8. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by Ugot2BkidNme · · Score: 1

      Apparently they are gettig married just saw an anouncement as of may 8th. Could have some reason as to why he was hired back.

    9. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by jinglecat · · Score: 0

      certainly not from the daughter.. Tobey looks like he "putts down the ruff" type of guy if ya know what I mean.. Honestly.. I like my hollywood men to be a bit more masculine.. at least grow one damn chest hair for christ sakes. Pah.

    10. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by shane_rimmer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Agghhh! Reading that was like watching a train wreck, and yet I still found it funny. I've now lost faith in myself along with the rest of humanity.

    11. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that I can safely speak for the whole troll community when I say "I like watching train wrecks".

    12. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by tekunokurato · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well if that isn't the grossest misallocation of mod points I've ever seen- he makes a faulty joke, gets modded up, then corrects his joke and gets called "informative."

      I wish I could pull of a stunt like that! ;)

    13. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by pmacwill · · Score: 1

      If you read the article first, you would realize, that it isn't the boss's daughter. Ron Meyer of Universal helped him get his job back on a rival Studio's film by lobbying Columbia Chairman Amy Pascal.

    14. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't EVER do that again.

    15. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *ahem* You did get modded 'insightful' just now...

    16. Re:Banging the boss's daughter... by qute · · Score: 1

      The first time I read it something "clicked" in my mind.
      The second time I could see the rythem was that sentence from star wars.

      This is a classic :-)

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  3. YOU FAIL IT!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even close, bozo.

  4. the big mag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not McGuire, it's Maguire.

  5. They should leave him fired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tobey Maguire is weak. Always remember, with great back injuries comes great take-wrecking painkillers.

  6. alsdjf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the fact that spiderman wears his costume means that what's his name had a weak argument. they could have hired anyone to replace him as spiderman

    1. Re:alsdjf by Keola · · Score: 1

      Well since spider-man was mostly CG they really need someone to play Peter Parker (and do the voice for spidey) so using the same actor would be preferable.

  7. Another first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First reply to a Nazi third post which claims to be first post on a CmdrTaco story.

    1. Re:Another first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I thought they were up the the fourth post.

      Are the guys in the hidden base in Antartica the same as the ones taking over Amerika? If not, that would be the fith post then, right?

    2. Re:Another first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 1000 year post will last forever!

  8. A quality day on slashdot by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    first we have a review of a freebsd reference manual, and now some mindless celebrity gossip!

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  9. Not what I heard by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 5, Informative


    I was watching Celebrity Justice just today (don't ask) and it seems that Gylennhahallla was put in because he's dating Dunst and Raimi was upset with McGuire. But before Tobey can come back to play Spiderman (which is what everyone would prefer when attitudes aren't flying) he's now going to have to pass a physical and consider a paycut.

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    1. Re:Not what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      he's now going to have to pass a physical and consider a paycut.
      Tobey: I have considered, and am going to have to pass on the cut.

    2. Re:Not what I heard by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      There was also some fanfare about Gyllenhaal being courted for the role of Carnage (3rd movie) a while back. Not a bad casting choice if it's true.

    3. Re:Not what I heard by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      According to the article, he made ~$25 million for the first one (?!) and will make ~$17 million for the second one.

      To which I say: STFU, take some Advil, and get your scrawny Vegan ass back to work.

      Seriously, the guy sounds like a dick.

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  10. Back problems by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Back problems didn't stop Orlando Bloom from doing Lord of the Rings. He actually broke his back too.

    1. Re:Back problems by mcpkaaos · · Score: 3, Funny

      That explains the "bow in the shady spot" running style he has. Gives new meaning to the word quiver.

      Sorry, sorry, I had to.

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    2. Re:Back problems by Conspir8or · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but he was dating Gimli, so he kept the job.

    3. Re:Back problems by HidingMyName · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interestingly imdb claims he broke a rib. Still must hurt like hell though (never had the pleasure of brorken ribs).

    4. Re:Back problems by Mr.Phil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      During shooting of Lord of the Rings, yes. But it also says that he broke his back when he was younger, before the movie. That is what the poster is refering to, I believe.

    5. Re:Back problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gimli likes his women with bushy beards. From what I heard he was dating Gandalf.

    6. Re:Back problems by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      It must've been in that scene where he was running and grabbed onto his steed and flipped himself up backwards. That looked like it must have hurt.

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    7. Re:Back problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. It was a good while before LOTR. Though he did not escape that project without other injury.

    8. Re:Back problems by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

      Oh that explains why he can only manage one facial expression.. his spine must be a tad on the bad side.

    9. Re:Back problems by Iffy+Bonzoolie · · Score: 1

      My uncle likes to tell a story (over and over again) about how, in the army, he got into a car wreck and (he found out later) broke 2 ribs. He was on the ground, but needed to help the (much more badly wounded) other people, so he had to give himself 2 morphine shots - after which he got up and helped the other folks out without any real problem.

      Yeah... It's better when he tells it. Then again, he's had LOTS of practice. On the rest of his family. Over and over again.

      -If

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  11. Interesting Article. by thrillbert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny how you can find out things about people, and how appearances are not always correct. Take me for instance, I really thought Tobby was as quiet and good natured as he plays in his movies. But after reading the article, I realize he's just another person who has allowed the money to go to his head.

    Fine, you're a millionaire, this doesn't automatically mean you need to be a prick.. be thankful that someone actually pays to go see your stuff, and realize that without the studios/directors/producers there will be no film, and you woulnd't be getting jack..

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    1. Re:Interesting Article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were a millionaire, I'd be a prick, too. Actually, I'm already quite a prick. If I were a millionaire, I'd be a superprick.

    2. Re:Interesting Article. by Xerithane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fine, you're a millionaire, this doesn't automatically mean you need to be a prick.. be thankful that someone actually pays to go see your stuff, and realize that without the studios/directors/producers there will be no film, and you woulnd't be getting jack..

      Exactly, being a prick has nothing to do with money. I'm not even close to being a millionaire, and I have the art of being a prick down to.. well, an art.

      These assholes in their fancy suits and expensive cars, staring in their stupid movies are giving pricks everywhere a bad name.

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    3. Re:Interesting Article. by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 1
      Firstly what made you think that he was a nice guy ? Did you dream that he was a nice guy ? Or did he tell you so ?
      Your first assumption itself must have been based on the positive reviews he got from meida, especially during the spiderman time.

      You made the first mistake of beliving what media says and gossip media at that.

      Now you are reading someother article, which claims otherwise than your first assumption, and you quickly change sides and brand him as a millionaire prick. how convenient.

      I don't care what kind of a person he is, or for that matter ever spuerstar is. I am not going to base my opinion of a person based on what the "media" thinks about him.

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    4. Re:Interesting Article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      frodo_from_middle_ea....

      HAHAHAHAH! your name didn't fit in! how dumb that looks!

      omgomgomg rotflol!

    5. Re:Interesting Article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could not agree more. I would willingly pay people to humiliate themselves for nothing more than a flicker of joy in my cold, black heart.

    6. Re:Interesting Article. by amembrane · · Score: 1

      Will you base your opinion on the fact that he stole your name?

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    7. Re:Interesting Article. by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This has nothing to do with having a big head. He was working 80 hours a week for another employer when Rami and company started to get their panties in a bunch.

      Let's see you bow and scrape to your next contract when you're trying to "give 100%" to your current one.

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    8. Re:Interesting Article. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Yeah but if you subject your co-workers, even lower-ranking ones, to abuse you'll be disciplined. Not so in Hollywood.

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    9. Re:Interesting Article. by autophile · · Score: 1
      Take me for instance, I really thought Tobby was as quiet and good natured as he plays in his movies.

      Naw, after Chamber of Secrets, Dobby started acting all uppity and stuff, knowing that he'd have to be rehired for Goblet of Fire. First he started stalking Emma Watson. Then he got to dumping whipped cream and sugared violet pudding over Chris Columbus's and Steve Kloves's heads until his part was expanded.

      That friggin' house-elf is a menace!

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    10. Re:Interesting Article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't judge a person from one news story. After all, the media puts spins on things all the time. Anyone here a hacker?

    11. Re:Interesting Article. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      No, he was dropping painkillers for his 'back pain' and trying to decide how to whine for more money. If someone is paying you $17 million, you do the fucking body scan.

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    12. Re:Interesting Article. by be-fan · · Score: 1

      Eh. The first several paragraphs of the story were unduly harsh, and the claims not really supported by the facts presented in the remaining paragraphs. For example, they make him out to be demanding by saying that he believed the movie should be shot on his own schedule. In reality, he was trying to minimize the physical pain from his back injuries. I really don't think it's all that demanding to believe that the studio would take that into account. Then there was the money thing. There were reports of him being mad that Zisken got more money for the first movie, but he says that money wasn't an issue. I have to say I'd give him the benifet of the doubt, given how reliable Hollywood "reports" can be.

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    13. Re:Interesting Article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You thought that about Tobey because thats the character he played in Spiderman. He's just selling an image to you thats all. Hollywood is a cut-throat institution and anybody who is doing it well has probably a lot more to them than what the public gets to see. Fortunately for the actors, the whole institution itself seems to foster the idea that what happens inside - mostly doesn't get out.

      Sure, womens magazines sell you half baked 3 month old stories but they are just watered down "offcuts".

    14. Re:Interesting Article. by Malc · · Score: 1

      It sounds to me like the director of Spiderman 2 was being a selfish self-centred prick too. He wanted Toby to think of his movie as the most important thing in his life. Well, he should have realised that that caused a conflict for Toby as he was already working on another movie - the director of that movie could reasonably expect to get Toby's full attention there. That's called professionalism in other industries. It sounds these movie people all act like a bunch of bitches. A bunch of over-paid bitches. Is this what too much money does to people?

    15. Re:Interesting Article. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Did you not read the article, or are you just stupid?

      He was already commited to another project. He was WORKING FOR SOMEONE else.

      Rami (et al) was just being a self-centered d*ckhead. He's not the only director on the planet.

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    16. Re:Interesting Article. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      He was the only one with a project that would pay him $17 million dollars (more, actually. It was only because he was tossed that he is 'only' making $17 million). For that kind of money, you will step and fetch when I say so.

      In addition, they asked/required him to do the scan on a Sunday, which, it was explicitly stated, was not a shooting day for the other movie. He didn't feel like it. Fuck him.

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    17. Re:Interesting Article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rami (et al) was just being a self-centered d*ckhead. He's not the only director on the planet.

      Fire him and stick Ted in the director's chair instead. Maybe he can do some real work for a change, instead of leeching parts off his bro.

      Their IMDB profiles are disturbingly similar...

  12. Currently Filming by KingAdrock · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are currently filming down near the financial district in Manhattan. From everything I've heard Mr. McGuire is there, so I'm guessing he is in the movie.

    1. Re:Currently Filming by PhilipMatarese · · Score: 1

      They are currently filming down near the financial district in Manhattan. From everything I've heard Mr. McGuire is there, so I'm guessing he is in the movie.

      A couple months ago, I saw McGuire and Raimi while they were filming at Columbia University.
      I guess he was re-instated pretty soon after he was fired (or almost fired).

  13. Who Cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The movie blew anyway. What are the chances that no matter who plays what that it still sucks again?

  14. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is the contraction of Sea Squall. It is for the scene where Spiderman teams up with Aquaman.

  15. McGuire's in... by telstar · · Score: 0

    I've seen them filming around the city over the past month.... ... and by "the city" I mean NY ... is there any other?

    1. Re:McGuire's in... by Em+Emalb · · Score: 1

      Nah, the world revolves around new york city.

      Gotham.

      Too bad it sucks!

      Hah, easy there NYers, just yankin your chain.

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    2. Re:McGuire's in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and by "the city" I mean NY ... is there any other?

      Thank goodness you put the quotation marks around "the city"... for a while I thought you were serious with the is there any other?...

    3. Re:McGuire's in... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Too bad it sucks!
      > Hah, easy there NYers, just yankin your chain.

      Haha, good one. Yeah, everyone knows that New Jersey barely ekes out over NYC as sucking worse.

    4. Re:McGuire's in... by RobertKozak · · Score: 1


      They are also filming in Los Angeles. There is a church 2 blocks from my Apt which is is being worked on for the SpiderMan film. I know one of the architects working on the project.

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    5. Re:McGuire's in... by amembrane · · Score: 2, Funny
      Obligatory kneejerk defensive response!!!!

      Obligatory questioning of your origin and its claim to fame!!

      Obligatory statement of New Jersey's superiority! Evidence optional!

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    6. Re:McGuire's in... by IslesFan · · Score: 1

      You know, if the movie is supposed to take place in NY, they should really film it in NY

    7. Re:McGuire's in... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Obligatory kneejerk defensive response

      Hey, I'm not on the defensive. In fact I'm very offensive! :) (err, yeah, I misread it, so what?)

      > Obligatory questioning of your origin and its claim to fame!!

      I am beaten on origin, as my entire family is from NJ, but I was born in WV *shudder*. Somehow we aren't hicks or white trash -- thank allah.

      > Obligatory statement of New Jersey's superiority! Evidence optional!

      NJ does have more trash per-capita than most states, that's got to count for something.. I guess it shows they buy a lot of stuff: strong economy :)

    8. Re:McGuire's in... by Admiral1973 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not only have I seen Spiderman 2 filming in NYC, I've seen Maguire on the set. They shot a scene in a pizza place in Greenwich Village, down the block from my apartment. I watched with about 20 other people as Maguire traded places with his stunt double and later as two production assistants escorted him to and from his trailer, parked down the street. So he's most definitely in this movie.

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    9. Re:McGuire's in... by Mindwarp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not to mention the fact that they filmed a lot of the 'web-swinging' shots outside my office building in Chicago a few months ago.

      A very tall crane, and a very complex gyro-stabilized computer controlled camera mount, if you're interested.

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    10. Re:McGuire's in... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It's remarkable how parochial and unsohpisticated New Yorkers actually are. The only other places I've ever heard the nearest metropolis called "the city" are way the heck out in rural America, where it's widely known (to New Yorkers) the stupidest people on the planet live.

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    11. Re:McGuire's in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you're talking about NYC. But, had you capitalized it "The City" I'd have instantly known you were referring to San Francisco.
      Yeah, I'm a left-coast wanker.

    12. Re:McGuire's in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The citizens of Chicago will agree to let films set in New York to be filmed in New York as soon as Hollywood starts shooting films with names like "Chicago" in Chicago.

    13. Re:McGuire's in... by ceswiedler · · Score: 1

      'The city' is the standard reference for San Francisco, anywhere in the Bay Area and Silicon Valley.

  16. what kind of director by Squarewav · · Score: 1

    thought it would be a good idea to change actors for a sequel. I dont ever remember ever seeing one weare they have that was any good

  17. Can he stay awake by Ironpoint · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Can Tobey MCGuire even stay awake long enough for another movie? I remember watching spiderman and thinking it was some sort of joke or something. I always thought of spiderman as hyper-energetic and outgoing, but I guess a lethargic spiderman was kind of interesting.

    1. Re:Can he stay awake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can Tobey MCGuire even stay awake long enough for another movie?

      Well, his mom told the director to put him in bed at 8pm. The movie stars gets younger and younger...

    2. Re:Can he stay awake by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      That boy needs a *STEAK*. And some Pork Chops. And some fried chicken. And a bacon cheeseburger... ...mmmm, bacon cheeseburger...

    3. Re:Can he stay awake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats exactly what I said when I saw him in that movie with Charlize Theron (who cares abou the name, it had Theron) recently on cable....

      There she is lying naked on top of the bed, glistening with eyes inviting and this skinny assed white kid with narcolepsy is just standing there with a look like he jsut soiled himself...
      and Im going "No! Im sorry. Ill suspend disbelief when it comes too swinging through sckyscrapers on floss but this I dont believe."

      Couldnt they have just CGed him a new chest?

      PS: I Love that scene in Spiderman where he walks by a cop and hes about 10 inches shorter...loked like a kid getting ready for halloween, not a supehero.

      zee

    4. Re:Can he stay awake by cgenman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Spiderman is all about suffering. This one is just suffering from narcolepsy.

    5. Re:Can he stay awake by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      "I always thought of spiderman as hyper-energetic and outgoing"

      Don't you just love it when your cultural upbringing is disrupted by the rampaging horde who thinks they know it all after having seen a movie?

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    6. Re:Can he stay awake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spiderman's normal life always suffered because of his crime fighting, how perky can you be when you fight crime all night and attend college during the day, plus get good grades and have a job in photography. Maybe one of his super powers is his ability to have a 28 hour day.....

  18. heh who cares about his silly back problems by NedTheNerd · · Score: 1

    all they need him for is to be a talking head other than that they can get someone better to fit into the costume

    1. Re:heh who cares about his silly back problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know of anybody better fit for the costume than Alex Chansky, who WAS one of the doubles. But they could find a better talking head, too...

  19. Reminds me of WWE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Triple H, World Champion, is engaged to WWE owner Vince McMahon's daughter Stephanie. Stephanie also happens to be the head writer (aka the person that picks the winners and losers). So, this, of course, upsets many wrestlers who feel that he's champion simply because he's having sex with her. It seems most businesses have a bit of this.

    1. Re:Reminds me of WWE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many fans think the WWE is absolute crap because Stephanie McMahon and the wrest of the writing staff suck.

      They switch plotlines like six times per show now, you never know who's the good guy, whos allied with who and whos doing what.

      Hey look, there's HHHs long time enemy Jerhico, oh wait, they're buddies, oh wait here comes that gay guy Chuck, oh wait hes a Mafioso now, well here comes Booker T oh wait he's white now.

      WWE really shows what lack of competition does to the quality of a product. Wrestling was at it's best back when WCW vs NWO stuff was in it's heyday, and it looked like WWF was going to fizzle out.

      Even ECW was drawing more hardcore devoted fans, since it was more about really physical matches and not retarded backstories.

      Oh look its Mr America. He cant be fired unless McMahon can prove its Hulk Hogan. No lawyer could ever invalidate his contract save McMahon beating him up and taking his mask off.

      Lets hope the mafia guys dont come and whack him. Oh and the French guys (BOO! They're french! U S A U S A)

    2. Re:Reminds me of WWE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow - and to think I would just sum this up in a word like, oh say, "nepotism".

    3. Re:Reminds me of WWE by ColdGrits · · Score: 1

      Sorry to disappoint you, but Michael Paul LeVesque and Stephanie McMahon are not engaged.

      They are not even dating.

      That was merely part of the storyline. Do try to pay attention and to differentiate fact from fiction if you are going to come up with this stuff!

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    4. Re:Reminds me of WWE by bobobobo · · Score: 1

      Actually HHH and Steph are engaged and have been dating for some time. Granted it occured in the storylines at about the same time. That doesn't make untrue as it's been well known in the industry for some time now. These kinds of things do happen. Look at Chris Benoit and Woman, booked as couple ended up getting married. Even the storyline wedding of Randy Savage and Miss Elizabeth back in the 80's had some truth, as they were already married when the storyline played out. Paul and Stephanie got engaged last Valentines day and even have a date announced for the wedding.

    5. Re:Reminds me of WWE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you sure are an idiot. If it were the storyline, they'd have been married and divorced by now. In reality, they're simply engaged.

    6. Re:Reminds me of WWE by ColdGrits · · Score: 1

      Yeah, right.

      You never watch WWE, do you. Otherwise you woudl have known about the storyline and how it turned out.

      And as for believeing the various rumours on the web about them - blimey, if you believe even half of the rumours about what WWE and its cast / crew are up to at any given time, then you are an even bigger idiot than you thought I was!

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    7. Re:Reminds me of WWE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of why the term "Pro Wrestling" is an oxymoron.

    8. Re:Reminds me of WWE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Which part of the storyline do I have wrong?
      • Test and Stephanie engaged, hold a "wedding"
      • Triple H interrupts and points out that he already married Stephanie when she was "passed out" (via video from Las Vegas)
      • Stephanie turns on her father, and Triple H and Stephanie rule the WWE in the McMahon-Helmsley "Facgime" (to quote Edge)
      • Angle almost steals Stephanie, but she ends up staying with HHH
      • Stephanie fades into background a bit, and Triple H tears his quad (that was real)
      • Triple H returns from injury at Royal Rumble 2002, soon shows signs of being sick of Stephanie
      • Stephanie tells Triple H she's pregnant (a lie) and wants a real wedding
      • Triple H dumps/pedigrees Stephanie at the wedding, and they get "divorced"
      Where did you get lost? And, here is the initial report of their engagement from Valentine's Day. Dave Meltzer has since reported a scheduled October 25th wedding between the two.
  20. gossip by falsification · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Really just a gossipy story frankly,

    Yes, it is.

    1. Re:gossip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least it serves to call out the true coilors of ./ers... I'm off to troll the Teenbeat site now...

      This is a new low.

    2. Re:gossip by falsification · · Score: 1
      At least it serves to call out the true coilors of ./ers... I'm off to troll the Teenbeat site now...

      Ah.... I see you are in search of intelligent life on the Internet. Too bad there isn't any here. Good luck.

  21. yaay by VAXGeek · · Score: 0, Troll

    Item! Did you know that Spiderman was almost fired from the set of his movie? Tune in to Geeks in Space tonight to find out more about this juicy gossip.

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  22. On TV... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    On one of those TV trash programs Celebrity Justice that aired yesterday (nothing on the site about it though...) they painted a slightly different story.

    According to them originally Tobey McGuire was cast in the role of SpiderMan but was going to be dropped because he was making demands that related to scheduling trying to make them work around his schedule because of his back.

    When he started making these demands producers said fine we have Jake Gyllenhaal in our back pocket so tell Tobey to take a hike. Tobey basically crawled back and is now SpiderMan but had to agree to certain things including signing an agreement that he would be financially penalized if he was unable to fill his role as SpiderMan and also had to undergo a medical exam.

    1. Re:On TV... by zdislaw · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. Isn't that exactly what the article said? I guess I'm just missing the "slightly different" part.

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    2. Re:On TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're not missing anything. The poster you replied to is a dipshit.

    3. Re:On TV... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

      >>McGuire's unwillingness to reveal the extent
      >>of his back injuries from his last project

      In the CJ version McGuire was throwing his back injuries out there as an excuse saying they had to work the scheduling around him because of it. In this one he tried to hide the extent of the injuries.

    4. Re:On TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read the article? That's what the blurb says, but not the article.

  23. Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by aSiTiC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Never been a huge fan of McGuire. Jake Gyllenhaal is a much superior actor and also a little darker and more interesting. I'm probably in the minority and Jake doesn't fit with pop culture like McGuire does but it would have been cool.

    Anyone ever see Donnie Darko??? That's about all you need to say about Jake Gyllenhaal.

    Besides the fact that it runs in the family Maggie Gyllenhaal was amazing in Secretary.

    1. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone ever see Donnie Darko??? That's about all you need to say about Jake Gyllenhaal.

      There is so much more that needs to be said about Jake Gyllenhaal!

      Sometimes I doubt your commitment to sparklemotion, aSiTiC!

    2. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by bgarland · · Score: 1

      i haven't seen his movies, but i saw Gyllenhaal walking down the street in the east village (with his sister Maggie) when i was in NYC a couple weeks ago.

      i couldn't imagine him as Spiderman.

      then again, i thought the same thing about McGuire. it'll be interesting for sure.

    3. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone ever see Donnie Darko??? That's about all you need to say about Jake Gyllenhaal.

      Anyone ever see Bubble Boy??? That's about all you need to say against Jake Gyllenhaal.

    4. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that was the most pathetic name dropping story in the history of said stories. its not even like he was staying at the same resort as your or anything, you freaking saw him on the street....it makes one want to weep.

    5. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever see Bubble Boy? Gyllenhaal is an alright actor and alternative to Maguire (NOT McGuire) but Tobey's been in so many great movies (Wonder Boys, Cider House Rules, Ice Storm, not to mention Spider-Man) while Gyllenhaal really hasn't shown that he's got the stuff to sport the webs.

    6. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 1

      Donnie Darko, while a very interesting, thoughtful flick (very Lynch-esque), is pretty much all we have to judge Gyllenhaal's "serious" work. October Sky was decent, but there isn't much else out there.

      However, Maguire has a very impressive resume, considering:

      The Ice Storm (by Ang Crouching-Tiger Lee, fantastic film)

      The Cider House Rules

      Pleasantville (excellent film directed by Doug Ross, same guy who directed Maguire in Seabiscuit a few months ago)

      Wonder Boys (awesome Curtis Hanson flick)

      Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas (nice cameo though sporting a godawful hairpiece)

      That, to me, far surpasses Jake's filmography (Donnie Darko, October Sky, and Bubble Boy, et al).

      My $.02

    7. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once shared an elevator ride with Alan Thicke and his two hot hookers. No joke. It was at the Sahara in Vegas, July '96. Check me on it.

    8. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by RestiffBard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've seen Darko, own it on DVD. He is good. But, like you said he's darker. Spiderman isn't dark. Either way I would have been OK with Gyllenhaal but it makes me nuts when sequels change around actors. The schizophrenia of Batman made me... well, batty.

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    9. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by GregGardner · · Score: 1

      Actually I quite enjoyed Jake's performances in both "Lovely and Amazing" and "The Good Girl" as eerily similar as the roles were. These were both very good independent movies. I also hear he did a great job in "Moonlight Mile" which I have yet to see. I would say that these were all "serious" roles, although maybe not in as widely popular and accepted movies as the Tobey movies you list. I don't think you can fault him for appearing in more independent films than major releases. You can fault him for "Bubble Boy", though.

    10. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by benwb · · Score: 1

      The good girl. One of the most distasteful movies that I've ever seen, but he was excellent in it.

    11. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Alan Thicke owns two hot hookers?! Umm, wouldn't that make them concubines?

      Hehe, suddenly the image of Alan Thicke with a room full of concubines sprung into my head... very disturbing. :)

    12. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      And Tobey was a big part of "Ride With The Devil". "The Cider House Rules" seemed too "hey, this is an artsy film, we demand an Oscar nomination for something dammit" for me. "Ride With The Devil" was no less serious, covered a much broader topic that we still deal with today (American imperialism as starting with overrunning Southern Culture) yet a lot more fun, and his character had a better transformation in it, I think.

      For all those talking about Jake Gyllenhaal ad how his darker personna would have helped, remember that Peter Parker was a school-newspaper working geek who lived with his grandpa and grandma until somthing accidentally changed him. Didn't really have a dark side. Batman was the freak who went out at night in silly tights and beat people up.

    13. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you ever see Bubble Boy?

    14. Re:Jake Gyllenhaal would do a better job by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      He doesn't have the last name of 'Thicke' for nothing, you know...

  24. Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, what a tangled web he wove
    Tobey Maguire was dropped from 'Spider-Man's' sequel, then rehired. How did he get back in the picture?
    By Kim Masters
    Special to The Times

    May 11 2003

    Tobey Maguire is about as sorry as a movie star can be.

    In a few short weeks this spring, he got himself dismissed from the next installment of "Spider-Man," had part of Hollywood's power elite work toward his reinstatement, won back his job, fired his agent and then was assiduously courted by the head of every major agency in town. He's back crawling the wall again, chastened by the whole experience.

    "I feel like I learned a lesson," he says. "The movie is the most important thing."

    The tale of how Maguire went from out-of-work webslinger to repentant star is a brief but engrossing saga of modern-day Hollywood. It takes place in a world where an actor's power can easily be miscalculated amid the multimillion-dollar paydays that accompany the big franchise movies driving the industry.

    The first movie grossed more than $820 million worldwide, and in March, as filming on the inevitable sequel was underway, Maguire went astray. He had a notion that Columbia Pictures would arrange the shooting schedule for this costly and crucial project on his terms, to allow him to deal with a recurring problem: a bad back. "I was going 'They're going to have to make some accommodation for me,' " he says. Wrong. He was promptly dropped. He and Columbia Chairman Amy Pascal contend it was solely because of the concerns about his condition and poor communication on that subject. Even though he has an array of representatives that sounds like the setup for a Hollywood joke -- an agent, a manager and a lawyer -- Maguire takes full responsibility, saying his attitude going into the sequel was "inappropriate."

    Whether he was let go simply because of a painful herniated disc or for more complicated reasons, Maguire had a narrow escape. He was saved, in part, by a highly unusual circumstance: He is dating the daughter of Universal chief Ron Meyer. Meyer not only convinced Maguire that he was making the mistake of his life to let the role go without a fight, but he was also willing to lobby on Maguire's behalf. Although Pascal minimizes Meyer's role, sources with firsthand knowledge of these events make it plain that Meyer used a career's worth of experience and good relationships to help get Maguire back into a film that is a major franchise for a rival studio.

    For Maguire, the stakes were extremely high. In the past, rising stars have seen their fortunes change when they did not reprise their roles in major action franchises. It happened to Alec Baldwin after he balked at continuing as Jack Ryan in the Paramount Pictures films based on Tom Clancy's bestsellers. And it happened to Val Kilmer after a troublesome turn as Batman.

    Maguire was seen as vulnerable in this case because, unlike his close friend Leonardo DiCaprio, he's not a conventional leading man. "You can be a really great actor without being a movie star," says a leading agent not directly involved in the situation. Had he not returned to "Spider-Man," that agent continues, "Tobey Maguire the actor would have survived. But Tobey Maguire the multimillion-dollar movie star? I don't know." Many also believe Maguire, 27, was especially replaceable in the "Spider-Man" sequel because, for a film of this nature, the concept overshadows the actor. After all, a number of actors have played James Bond -- and he works without a mask.

    Maguire's career has had an enviable trajectory in the past few years. He cemented his claim to legitimacy with roles in such films as "The Ice Storm," "The Cider House Rules" and "Wonder Boys" before winning the role of "Spider-Man." Many doubted that he was right for the part. He is so small that "Cider House Rules" was shot to minimize the height difference between him and co-star Charlize Theron. He also follows a meatless diet -- his contract requires that his chef travel with him -- and that mad

    1. Re:Article Text by Lugor · · Score: 0

      Are you afraid that a site dedicted to people more obsessed then the /. crowd would get /.ed?

  25. Re:what kind of director by HowlinMad · · Score: 1

    uhhhh did you not see Major League II?? Omar Epps played a stupendous Willie Mays Hayes.

  26. I just finished eating lunch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a mere fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying.

  27. D'oh! by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the classic Posting Of Stories With Blatant Spelling Mistakes tradition, I hereby apologize for mispelling Tobey Maguire three times in a row.

    Yes, I too was in the running for a slashdot editor. (/joke)

    1. Re:D'oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and then Taco misspelled it, but that's not news.

    2. Re:D'oh! by Like2Byte · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was four.

      But, I won't tell anyone else.

    3. Re:D'oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was three. Taco misspelt it the fourth time.

      Damn newb.

    4. Re:D'oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least you spelled Spider-man right

    5. Re:D'oh! by Dirtside · · Score: 1
      In the classic Posting Of Stories With Blatant Spelling Mistakes tradition, I hereby apologize for mispelling Tobey Maguire three times in a row.
      *Force-choke* Apology accepted, Captain Kenobi. :)
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    6. Re:D'oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I too was in the running for a slashdot editor. (/joke)

      Two accepted stories in two hours. Nice!

    7. Re:D'oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG!!!!

      Its Obiwan Kenobi (32807) himself!!!
      Wasn't he going Submit a story on /. but he was dating CowboyNeal and couldn't type as he had a sore finger? And they wanted him to use a spell-checker!

      OMG!!!111!!!11!

  28. Re:what kind of director by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

    Harrison Ford as Jack Ryan vs Alec Baldwin. Sean Connery as James Bond vs Anybody Else. Those are two big ones that come quickly to mind. I am not counting stuff like Michael Keaton being a better Batman than Adam West or the entire cast of MASH the TV show being better than the entire cast of MASH the movie.

  29. Leave this type of story.... by UnixRevolution · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    For Star or Entertainment or People or the other 3000 tabloids and mindless mass-market celebrity magazines to cover.

    Give us a story on overclocking or something.

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    1. Re:Leave this type of story.... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Informative

      De-select "Movies" in your preferences section for this site. You won't have to see the stories, and we won't have to hear you whine about them.

      Sweet, huh?

    2. Re:Leave this type of story.... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Bull-honkey...there are lots of other movie stories that are worthwhile. Blotting out the entire category isn't worth it because a slashdot editor thinks Hollywood gossip is interesting.

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    3. Re:Leave this type of story.... by UnixRevolution · · Score: 1

      I'm in concurrence with DNS-and-BIND....there's plenty in the movies section i like, and that's relevant and fun and interesting... but Hollywood Gossip is something better left to the tabloids than a site whose motto is "News for nerds, Stuff that matters". I didn't see, in the story, Toby Macguire overclock anything, pour hot grits on natalie portman, go to soviet russia, do anything having to do with the size of a volkswagen bug or Library of Congress, or even run Linux.

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  30. Spider man Spider man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    canned his agent
    with raise in hand.

  31. Bring on the CG! by fobbman · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The sooner we can get rid of these primadonna actors the better.

    Honestly, for the amount of bank that this whiner is getting for making this movie I'd put up with an amazing amount of pain.

    1. Re:Bring on the CG! by Schezar · · Score: 1

      With CG actors, you still need someone to do the voice. (At least for now). Not so much in America, but in other countries (Japan), some of these voice actors can be just as bad as your primadonnas here.

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    2. Re:Bring on the CG! by Deacon+Jones · · Score: 1
      The CG (or CGI, or animation, or whatever it was) is what ruined Spiderman for me.

      It was the human interaction of Peter Parker and his woes that kept my attention.

      The Spiderman "action" bits looked extremely fake, and very cartoonish to me. As well, the Finale/showdown with the Goblin was somewhat awful.

      However, I do agree with your premise about the primadonna--and from reading the article on how he fired his agent of 7 years in a very scapegoatish move (which also allowed him to go to his girlfriend's Daddy's agency), he is a apparently quite a jerk to boot. If the special effects ever do catch up, at least we won't have the disillusionment of discovering what boobs the actors are in real life.

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    3. Re:Bring on the CG! by CheechBG · · Score: 1

      Simple. Bruce Campbell. He loves working with Raimi (and Raimi loves working with him), and he's been doing B movies for so long that a couple million would be a godsend to him.

      Plus, I would pay GOOD money to see him as the voice for Spidey. That would just be cool.

    4. Re:Bring on the CG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem. He doesn't have to put up with an amazing amount of pain. Well, he does now anyway, but only because they found someone suitable to replace him.

      Contrary to popular belief and the opinions of people who liked Swimfan, your average Joe Blow doesn't often make for a good actor.

    5. Re:Bring on the CG! by Brendan+Byrd · · Score: 3, Funny

      And we'll get to hear such classic lines like:

      "Good... Bad... I'm the guy with web."
      "Hail to the Spidey, baby."
      "See this? This is my web slinger!"
      "Gimmie some sugar, baby."

  32. Slashdot Ethos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yep, remember kids:

    Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday: The MPAA is evil and should be boycotted. Avoid all major studio movies!!!

    Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday: Oooooh look shiny new movies/DVDs! Yay!!!

    So remember to see Spiderman 2 the day it comes out... provided it comes out on a Tue/Thu/Sat. Otherwise, wait until the next day.

  33. Getting back in by sssmashy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Meyer had more than one pony, so to speak, in this race. Not only was Maguire dating his daughter, he also was in Universal's "Seabiscuit." Meyer got on the phone with Maguire and told him he'd be making a catastrophic mistake if he didn't do everything in his power to get himself back into the movie.

    From the sound of things, he'd be making an even worse mistake if he hadn't done everything in his power to get himself back into his boss's daughter. ;-)

    1. Re:Getting back in by hesiod · · Score: 2, Informative

      > to get himself back into his boss's daughter. ;-)

      I understand it's a joke, but it's actually his boss's COMPETITION'S daughter. His GF's Dad is from a rival company and he still vouched for him.

  34. Is it just me by Timesprout · · Score: 1

    Or does anyone else find the idea of someone restricted by a back injury playing the part of an action hero with superpowers more than a tad silly ??

    Personally I think they should have got some else to play the part. I doubt many people will go just because Toby is in the movie. From my own experience with back injury it severly restricts the range and fluidity of motion, not something you want to see in your average action super hero. I imagine teh stunt double will end up doinga lot more work on this movie than originally intended.

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    1. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about MANTIS, you hatemonger!

    2. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MANTIS was a freaking copycat - heck he was even re-using early 70's "black liberation activism dogma".

      Tony Stark took a bullet through his spinal cord and still put on his powered armor long before MANTIS even got a pilot episode.

      Of course that ignores the fact that the original question was about actors with back injuries playing action heros - not about fictional action heros who had back injuries

  35. As long as we're gossiping... by chowdmouse · · Score: 2, Funny
    I think those tights make Tobey look fat. You call those calves? I call them steers!

    Let's get back to something geeky.

  36. Teh articl hsa alreayd by slashdottedd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh, what a tangled web he wove
    * Tobey Maguire was dropped from 'Spider-Man's' sequel, then rehired. How did he get back in the picture?

    He's back

    He's back
    (Zade Rosenthal)

    Search by movie title:

    Search by ZIP code:

    Movies
    Theaters
    Within

    By Kim Masters, Special to The Times

    Tobey Maguire is about as sorry as a movie star can be.

    In a few short weeks this spring, he got himself dismissed from the next installment of "Spider-Man," had part of Hollywood's power elite work toward his reinstatement, won back his job, fired his agent and then was assiduously courted by the head of every major agency in town. He's back crawling the wall again, chastened by the whole experience.

    "I feel like I learned a lesson," he says. "The movie is the most important thing."

    The tale of how Maguire went from out-of-work webslinger to repentant star is a brief but engrossing saga of modern-day Hollywood. It takes place in a world where an actor's power can easily be miscalculated amid the multimillion-dollar paydays that accompany the big franchise movies driving the industry.

    The first movie grossed more than $820 million worldwide, and in March, as filming on the inevitable sequel was underway, Maguire went astray. He had a notion that Columbia Pictures would arrange the shooting schedule for this costly and crucial project on his terms, to allow him to deal with a recurring problem: a bad back. "I was going 'They're going to have to make some accommodation for me,' " he says. Wrong. He was promptly dropped. He and Columbia Chairman Amy Pascal contend it was solely because of the concerns about his condition and poor communication on that subject. Even though he has an array of representatives that sounds like the setup for a Hollywood joke -- an agent, a manager and a lawyer -- Maguire takes full responsibility, saying his attitude going into the sequel was "inappropriate."

    Whether he was let go simply because of a painful herniated disc or for more complicated reasons, Maguire had a narrow escape. He was saved, in part, by a highly unusual circumstance: He is dating the daughter of Universal chief Ron Meyer. Meyer not only convinced Maguire that he was making the mistake of his life to let the role go without a fight, but he was also willing to lobby on Maguire's behalf. Although Pascal minimizes Meyer's role, sources with firsthand knowledge of these events make it plain that Meyer used a career's worth of experience and good relationships to help get Maguire back into a film that is a major franchise for a rival studio.

    For Maguire, the stakes were extremely high. In the past, rising stars have seen their fortunes change when they did not reprise their roles in major action franchises. It happened to Alec Baldwin after he balked at continuing as Jack Ryan in the Paramount Pictures films based on Tom Clancy's bestsellers. And it happened to Val Kilmer after a troublesome turn as Batman.

    Maguire was seen as vulnerable in this case because, unlike his close friend Leonardo DiCaprio, he's not a conventional leading man. "You can be a really great actor without being a movie star," says a leading agent not directly involved in the situation. Had he not returned to "Spider-Man," that agent continues, "Tobey Maguire the actor would have survived. But Tobey Maguire the multimillion-dollar movie star? I don't know." Many also believe Maguire, 27, was especially replaceable in the "Spider-Man" sequel because, for a film of this nature, the concept overshadows the actor. After all, a number of actors have played James Bond -- and he works without a mask.

    Maguire's career has had an enviable trajectory in the past few years. He cemented his claim to legitimacy with roles in such films as "The Ice Storm," "The Cider House Rules" and "Wonder Boys" before winning the role of "Spider-Man." Many doubted that he was right for the part. He is so small that "Cider House Rules" was shot to minimize the height difference

  37. Too bad... by coene · · Score: 1

    Jake Gyllenhaal is a much better actor, and this is exactly what he needs to become a household name.

    1. Re:Too bad... by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Funny

      >> Jake Gyllenhaal is a much better actor, and this is exactly what he needs to become a household name.

      Actually, I think dropping six letters from "Gyllenhall" is what he needs to become a household name.

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    2. Re:Too bad... by falsification · · Score: 1
      Actually, I think dropping six letters from "Gyllenhall" [sic] is what he needs to become a household name.

      If Gyllenhaal changed his name and then became famous, his name would not be a household name. His stage name would be a household name.

      Besides, he doesn't look like Peter Parker.

  38. Now THAT would make a good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I might pony up the bucks to see a behind-the-scenes intrigue based on that LA time's story. Agents, lawyers girlfriends, neurosurgeons, Sam Raimi, cut-and-paste young stars AND the Matrix producer gets to be the saviour! This story is pre-written for a great Hollywood film possibly only needing the addition of a mob character.

  39. Who gives a flying fuck? by zhrike · · Score: 0, Troll

    It is amazing the shit that gets approved here. Who cares about high-priced babies in shit fucking movies?

    What is this: E fucking news? Get a grip.

  40. Re:what kind of director by Mr.Phil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "... or the entire cast of MASH the TV show being better than the entire cast of MASH the movie."

    Except for Gary Burghoff, who played Radar O'Reilly in both the movie and the TV series.

  41. Re:Huh? by jbottero · · Score: 0

    Hmmmmm. "Fuckwad"??? Must be Micro$ofty lingo...

  42. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. It was a typo, it should read seaqull.
    2. Which as we all know is a dyslexic seagull.

    Now that it's all written out, it's still not funny. AC it is then.

  43. You've done a lot today! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All I've done is mastubate.

  44. Re:what kind of director by chimpo13 · · Score: 1

    Michael Keaton being a better Batman than Adam West? Are you on drugs?

    Have you ever seen Conan O'Brien's pilot he made with Adam West? Neither have I, but I've heard that it's the funniest thing ever aired on teevee. But of course, if you don't like Adam West...

  45. Re:what kind of director by John3 · · Score: 1

    If I remember correctly, the studio didn't want Toby for the first film and finally relented when Raimi made sure that Toby would do the sequel. Kind of funny that the studio would dump him after making a stink to get him signed for the sequel in the first place.

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  46. Re:what kind of director by Transient0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    no... he was better too.

  47. Re:Who gives a flying fuck? YOUR MOM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shut up you retard. no body on the face of planet earth gives shit about what you have to say.

  48. Re:what kind of director by critter_hunter · · Score: 1

    James Bond, duuuuuh

    Okay, arguably, it isn't really *good*, but it does have 20 sequels, most of which were very popular, so obviously changing actors between sequels isn't too bad (from a producer's point of view, anyway)

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  49. Not worth it to change actors by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I don't think spiderman would survive if they changed actors, regardless of who could do it better.

    Why is it more like Batman than Bond? Because Spiderman is a hero, and Bond is a secret agent.

    But then we'll never know...

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    1. Re:Not worth it to change actors by default+luser · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bond is replaceable because Bond is not the man. Bond is the style. We see the face all the time, and yet all we remember are the well-tailored grey suits, sporty cars and Walther PPK. All you need is a suave man to wear that suit, drive that car and fire that weapon.

      Batman is not replaceable because Batman ( as portrayed in the 80s/90s ) is the man behind the mask. This is why it was so important to have someone who could actually act, and why people really missed Michael Keaton in III and IV. He was fairly good at the role, and people became attached to his personal emotional stigma.

      You'll find the same thing has happened with Spiderman. The geek-out-of-water persona really gave Peter Parker as a person a lot more depth than people were expecting. But that depth is forever attached to Tobey, it will be lost if you switch actors.

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    2. Re:Not worth it to change actors by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      Bond is replaceable because Bond is not the man. Bond is the style. We see the face all the time, and yet all we remember are the well-tailored grey suits, sporty cars and Walther PPK. All you need is a suave man to wear that suit, drive that car and fire that weapon.
      Only Connery and Brosnan have really stood out in the role though. Lazenby and Dalton were complete failures and Moore is not widely regarded as a great Bond. It's not that easy to find the right "suave man to wear that suit, drive that car and fire that weapon".
    3. Re:Not worth it to change actors by MsGeek · · Score: 1
      Bond is replaceable because Bond is not the man. Bond is the style. We see the face all the time, and yet all we remember are the well-tailored grey suits, sporty cars and Walther PPK. All you need is a suave man to wear that suit, drive that car and fire that weapon.

      I think that Roger Moore put the lie to that. Roger Moore stank on ice as Bond. He turned that franchise into a buffoon-o-rama. The whole series turned into a Monty Python sketch gone wrong.

      Bond didn't recover until Pierce Brosnan. The Timothy Dalton Bond movies were OK and were actually closer to the Ian Fleming concept of Bond as all-around badass but something was missing.

      Brosnan is the best Bond since Connery. Although I would have liked to see where George Lazenby would have taken the character in a second go-round as 007. However, there is no doubt of one thing: Roger Moore sucked.

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    4. Re:Not worth it to change actors by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      They would have gotten Brosnan sooner, but he was stuck in his Remington Steele contract.

      To me, there's Connery and Brosnan. It's definitely not just the toys and the lifestyle. You gotta be able to pull it off.

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    5. Re:Not worth it to change actors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that depth is forever attached to Tobey, it will be lost if you switch actors.

      Maguire was good, but I think it would be a real stretch to say that he owned the role in the way that Keaton owned Batman. Everyone expected Keaton to destroy the Batman franchise right out of the gate because Keaton was a comedian, not a dark and brooding superhero; Keaton was so exceptional in the role, however, that Kilmer and Gooney were set up to fail.

      Maguire, well... he pretty much performed the role as expected, no real surprises. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of any scenes in the movie where he really ADDED to the character, and can think of many where he was a bit flat. I would not say that Maguire owned the Peter Parker role, not by a long shot.

      In fact, I think that Gyllenhaal would have probably done a better job with it. It's a shame that we won't get to find out (maybe in Spider-Man 3).

  50. horse cock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    horse cock

    1. Re:horse cock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why thank you.

    2. Re:horse cock by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be:

      "Thank you sir, may I have another?"?

  51. Spiderman was a DATE movie . Not action film. by zymano · · Score: 1
    Phoney lovestories don't make good action movies.

    The spiderman movie had 'targetted demographics' to get women to go to the movie. I would bet private screenings for women to see if they liked the movie and if they didn't some script changes. Maybe.

    They actually do that.

    1. Re:Spiderman was a DATE movie . Not action film. by jgerman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes because girlfriends across america were thrilled with their boyfriend's salivating during the Dunst in a wet dress scene. I hear the director told her to bounce up and down like that... for the chick demographic.

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    2. Re:Spiderman was a DATE movie . Not action film. by zymano · · Score: 1

      not spending 8 bucks to see half a second of tits in seethrough shirt .

  52. Maguire is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am glad Gyllenhaal is not going to be the next Spiderman. Can you say, "Bubble Boy?" Give Bruce Campbell a bigger part in Spiderman II! Oh yea, Sam Raimi, we need more comedy/horror movies!

  53. Some numbers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Happened to be discussing this yesterday.

    Maguire was offered $10 million for the sequel. His agents persuaded him to go for $20. The studios then offered the job to Gyllenhaal for a million or two, who nicely offered to accept.

    Maguire then got pissed and ditched his agent at the behest of said girlfriend. He managed to bump his deal to $13 mil and keep her.

    Yay for him, I guess.

  54. Royalties by MrLint · · Score: 1

    I recall that there was some problem with Stan Lee over the Spider-Man movie. I read taht he supopsedly got totally cheated out of his cut of the movie profits when the studio said they didnt make any money on it. That article says "The first movie grossed more than $820 million worldwide". Does anyone know what is going on with this?

    1. Re:Royalties by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 1


      I think it has to do with "gross" vs "profits." It may had grossed $800+ million, but after everyone and everthing was paid for and the accounting wizards work their magic, the net profit was $0.

    2. Re:Royalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All Hollywood movies lose money - or at least, that's what the accountants all insist.

      This is done for probably a bunch of reasons, but one of them is that Hollywood likes to fleece newbies with "Net" contracts - contracts that specify a portion of of Net profits. Since the
      movies never "make money", these contract holders
      get nothing.

      You'd think Stan Lee would have been around the block enough times in the licensed property business not to get screwed, and to sign a "gross" contract - a contract that specifies a portion of gross profits.

      Nope.

      When I mentioned Stan's lawsuit to my girlfriend, who'd worked with him, she told me "Oh, he has some idiot friend of his for a lawyer. No wonder."

      Hollywood is a den of thieves. But Stan Lee should have known that, and hired a quality entertainment lawyer, not his buddy.

    3. Re:Royalties by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 0, Troll
      after everyone and everthing was paid for and the accounting wizards work their magic, the net profit was $0...

      You know - just like with a CD recording contract. Don't you folks understand how BIG ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS (TM) works?

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    4. Re:Royalties by Thud457 · · Score: 2
      "the net profit was $0."

      Amazing how it always works out like that. Must be one of them there "coincidences". Or PIRACY! that's what it is!!

      Yet the still keep making movies. Hell, they'll make sequels to movies that show $0 on the books, without getting a nasty visit from the IRS.

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  55. In Soviet Russia... by Cmoll · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Toby Maguire is played by Spiderman.

  56. do not forget the /. commercial that was a hoax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ILoo :)

  57. Happens all the time by mblase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember hearing (this is unsubstantiated) that after "The Hunt for Red October" was a hit, Alec Baldwin demanded an enormous pay increase to play Jack Ryan in the next movie. Imagine his surprise when he was soundly dropped and replaced with Harrison Ford, who I imagine commands a much higher check than Alec Baldwin ever got for a single movie.

    The moral of these stories, of course, is that humility is a virtue worth cultivating, because when you get right down to it, nobody's irreplacable. Especially in Hollywood, where (if "The Matrix Reloaded" is any sign of things to come) we'll soon be able to map any actor's face onto a double's body with astonishing ease.

    1. Re:Happens all the time by mrjive · · Score: 1
      Especially in Hollywood, where (if "The Matrix Reloaded" is any sign of things to come) we'll soon be able to map any actor's face onto a double's body with astonishing ease.

      You don't think an actor would let a studio get away with that without paying likeness rights?

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    2. Re:Happens all the time by mblase · · Score: 1

      You don't think an actor would let a studio get away with that without paying likeness rights?

      If an actor had an identical twin, or a near lookalike, who was hired to replace him based on physical similarities alone, there's not much he could do about it.

      But what I had in mind was an actor having his face and voice scanned for one movie, with a provision in the contract that doing so entitles the movie studio to use those recorded images at their convenience for X more movies or for X years. Just as a music contract can take away an artist's right to sing his own songs or be recorded by any other label, an acting contract could claim an actor's virtual image for as long as the studio wants.

      So if he makes one movie, and it's a blockbuster, he can either act in the sequel for whatever the studio's paying or he can allow a double to take his place who will be digitally modified to look and sound just like him, while the actor himself is legally prohibited from acting for any other films until the movie's done.

    3. Re:Happens all the time by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      or, the studio invents a 'action star', making there OWN Arnold or Stallone... completely virtual.

      reminds me of that bad "simone" movie (w/ paccino).

    4. Re:Happens all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Thinking like that is why we must NUKE HOLLYWOOD NOW!

      "Dust off and nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

    5. Re:Happens all the time by thoman8r · · Score: 1
      But what I had in mind was an actor having his face and voice scanned for one movie, with a provision in the contract that doing so entitles the movie studio to use those recorded images at their convenience for X more movies or for X years. Just as a music contract can take away an artist's right to sing his own songs or be recorded by any other label, an acting contract could claim an actor's virtual image for as long as the studio wants.
      60 years ago the studios may have gotten away with this. That was back when an actor signed with a studio for X number of years and basically was at their mercy to do whatever films the studio wanted.
      All of that, however, changed in the early 60's. Now actor's are contracted on a per-movie basis and are free to work for whatever studio they want. The SAG is quite powerful and I'm sure they wouldn't allow this system of free agency to go away.
    6. Re:Happens all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've just described the plot of 1981's Looker, a sci-fi piece of crap from the febrile pen of Michael Crichton.

      A company develops a way to digitize the images of actresses and use them in sophisticated, ultra-effective commercials. Then, to avoid paying royalties, they surreptitiously kill the actresses. Poor, helpless Susan Dey is next on the chopping block, until she exposes her breasts and eventually convinces Albert Finney to kill evil James Coburn.

      This movie proves that technology can be put to malicious ends by unscrupulous media barons, and that Susan Dey has little titties. You also get some butt shots, but they have scanning grid lines on them.

    7. Re:Happens all the time by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      you don't really need a real face for that, if you're starting from scratch with the so-called-actor.

      but what happens when the geek behind the manouvers(or the code for them) for the artificial character gets bitchy...? huge computer hw bills?

      anyways, boohoo and all that. it's not happening in few years.. decade or two maybe(why? because the ease of portraying feelings believiably with talented actors, sure for running man 2 digital arnold might do ok, and they're ok for caricatyrized(sp?) puppets too).

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    8. Re:Happens all the time by zericm · · Score: 1

      60 years ago the studios may have gotten away with this. That was back when an actor signed with a studio for X number of years and basically was at their mercy to do whatever films the studio wanted.
      All of that, however, changed in the early 60's. Now actor's are contracted on a per-movie basis and are free to work for whatever studio they want.


      There are still instances of actors signing multi-movie deals. The bulk of the cast for the first X-Men were signed for two sequals. Studios can still get away with this for little known actors trying to break into the industry.

      thx,
      eric

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    9. Re:Happens all the time by thoman8r · · Score: 1
      There are still instances of actors signing multi-movie deals. The bulk of the cast for the first X-Men were signed for two sequals. Studios can still get away with this for little known actors trying to break into the industry.
      It's not the same thing though. In this case, the actors are free to work on other projects of their choice for whatever studio they want in between doing the movies involved in these multi-movie deals. Under the studio system in the early days of film, actors could only work for the studio they signed a contract with at that time (a la present day recording artists), and they pretty much had to do whatever movies the studio wanted.
      Plus, I'm not exactly shedding a tear for those unknown actors signing multi-movie deals with the big studios. :-)
  58. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fuck is a "sequal"?

    Ever heard of a spellchecker? Or are they not available to Lunix users? Fuckwad.


    I'm sorry, but my spellchecker won't pass Fuckwad. Did you mean Duckweed, Folkway, Ducked, Bucked or Tucked?

  59. Puhleezze by jinglecat · · Score: 1

    "I'm Tobey, I hurt my back.. I can't feel my legs.. WHAAA! WHAAAA! I can't Walk.. WHAAA!!" Suck it up you Tobey, you fey little man, you.

  60. Maggie Gyllenhaal's Blind Date by LittleGuy · · Score: 1

    Besides the fact that it runs in the family Maggie Gyllenhaal was amazing in Secretary.

    Maggie is also the matchmaker to put Kirsten and Jake together on the semi-fasttrack down the aisle, which may have helped Jake's standing in getting the Spiderman role.

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    1. Re:Maggie Gyllenhaal's Blind Date by IPFreely · · Score: 1

      From her picture on IMDB, Maggie could be a stand in/replacement for Kirsten in the movie. Of course with both Jake and Maggie in there it would put a whole new twist on the kissing scenes.

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    2. Re:Maggie Gyllenhaal's Blind Date by jimand · · Score: 1

      and this thread discusses how much Jake and Tobey look alike. I thought it was Tobey in October Sky until I looked it up.

      Has anyone seen the four of them together?

    3. Re:Maggie Gyllenhaal's Blind Date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup just as fugly as Kirsten.

    4. Re:Maggie Gyllenhaal's Blind Date by dorsey · · Score: 1

      Maggie could be a stand in/replacement for Kirsten in the movie.

      Ew.

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  61. Spidey spell checker missing by openSoar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    it's "sequel" not "sequal".

  62. LOL - Mod Parent Up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comon, that's funny stuff.

  63. Quote that said it all by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "'Do I want to go in on the seventh day for an eight-hour cyberscan?'"

    If you want to get paid big bucks, you sure as shit better want to go that extra mile.

    1. Re:Quote that said it all by Conspir8or · · Score: 1

      For that kind of money and exposure and cavorting with Kirsten Dunst? Hell, break out the sigmoidoscope while you're at it!!

    2. Re:Quote that said it all by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many people, offered his place, would have also refused. I'm guessing, "zero".

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    3. Re:Quote that said it all by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      For $17 million, I'll sign up for an eight-hour colonoscopy.

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  64. Re:what kind of director by Tower · · Score: 1

    Sean Connery *was* the first James Bond ion Dr. No.

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  65. For his salary... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Construction workers make his one-day rate in a year, and have way worse than minor back pain from playing "Spiderman".

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  66. She really should've had dual credits. by mckwant · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm still not sure what her face looks like.

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    1. Re:She really should've had dual credits. by Loki_1929 · · Score: 1

      "I'm still not sure what her face looks like."

      Whoa, she has a face? Cool. :p

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  67. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just saw it this weekend.
    Granted, I was afraid that it would suck rocks with both Jack Nickolson playing "I'm wildman Jack Nicholson" and Adam Sandler playing "Hello, I'm Adam Sandler".
    But it turned out to be a fairly enjoyable flick. Except for that execrable last 20 minutes. Why the hell they had to ruin the movie with a cutesy happy ending is beyond me. But then again, Hollywood fucked up Brazil in the end, too.

  68. OH brother. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most women are secure enough to laugh at their men's looking at other girls nips.

    Really cool girls *get it* about guys and don't try to make them into something their not.

    My wife buys me a subscription to playboy.

  69. Re:what kind of director by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    George Layzenbee was highly underatted. That damn Connery feller had the advantage of creating the role onscreen.

  70. "Anyone ever see Donnie Darko???" by Nova+Express · · Score: 1
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  71. If anybody wants to understand this stuff, read... by landley · · Score: 2, Informative
    The book "Where did I go right?" by Bernie Brillstein is a marvelous introduction to how hollywood actually works. It's the memoirs of somebody who's been involved in everything from Saturday Night Live, Ghostbusters, the Muppet Show, Dangerous Liasons, etc. Along the way he founded his own agency (Brillstein/Grey) If you want to know the difference between a manager and an agent, or how movies and television shows are really put together, or what working with actors is like, read that book.

    (Nope, never met the guy. Just liked the book.)

  72. news flash by jbellis · · Score: 4, Informative

    you don't work construction with a herniated disk, no matter HOW tough you are. nice troll, though.

    1. Re:news flash by neurostar · · Score: 1

      oooo, but i do... ;)

    2. Re:news flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Number of time "herniated disk" appears in the post you replied to: 0.

      news flash: don't mod up the trolls

    3. Re:news flash by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      Number of time "herniated disk" appears in the post you replied to: 0.
      The original poster said: 'Construction workers ... and have way worse than minor back pain from playing "Spiderman"'. The reply simply pointed out that a herniated disk is hardly "minor back pain", and that in fact construction workers do not work with that sort of condition.
    4. Re:news flash by drizuid · · Score: 1

      he never said they worked with back problems, he merely said that they get worse back problems. The point is, back problems are serious and can escalate in to far worse debilitating back problems if not taken care of. The particular job doesn't change that fact.

  73. It's already been done by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 1

    Have you ever seen the Michael Jordan commercials (forget what company they were for)? The one with Bulls MJ playing against 40-year-old MJ. That's exactly what they did there. They found a body double who was basically the same height and skin color and who could play basketball, pasted MJ's head onto his and hence we have Jordan vs. Jordan. Very convincing too. And yes, it still looks realistic when speaking.

  74. It's true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work on 24th between 5th and 6th, where they were shooting a rooftop sequence on my building until yesterday: and the Tobinator was indeed there.

    If any fanboy/girlz in the area want a kick, check out the mini-alley on the north side of the street, just east of the "new york deli". The "set" is still dressed with all their fake clotheslines. They did a great job, it looks great. I wish they'd leave it that way: it's a perfect caricature. Very comic-bookey, but it doesn't look out of place. Good work.

  75. Re:Huh? by dalamcd · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    What? The ending to Brazil was great!

    Did you turn it off in disgust or something? You really shouldn't.

    dalamcd

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  76. Re:what kind of director by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This must be some definition of "Interesting" I wasn't previously aware of.

  77. Not Nice, No Sense of Humor by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I saw him on Letterman when Spidey 1 was about to come out. Dave was goofing on him, with footage from an ancient black and white spider horror flick.

    McGuire *WAS NOT* amused. He looked royally pissed.

    I though to myself, "Self, that guy's a dick!". Looks like we were right...

    1. Re:Not Nice, No Sense of Humor by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Agreed, any man who can't laugh at himself being goofy is likely a royal prick. Hollywood seems to breed these types for some reason. Anyone who has lived in L.A. for any period of time can tell a story about how poorly they were treated in a social situaton by an actor, agent, or entertainment lawyer.

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    2. Re:Not Nice, No Sense of Humor by kimota · · Score: 1

      Dude, *clearly* you did not see him playing Saved By the Bell's "Screech" on Saturday Night Live.

      --Kimota!

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    3. Re:Not Nice, No Sense of Humor by rcf · · Score: 1

      You must be one of those people who can tell purely by looks whether a person is guilty or not. I didn't see the particular show but maybe he just looked pissed because he had to be the one doing the promo for a lame show like Letterman's. Oh well...

    4. Re:Not Nice, No Sense of Humor by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

      No, and I am quite proud of the fact I have never seen "Saved By The Bell" either.

  78. Re:Huh? by stanmann · · Score: 1

    Brazil is gone??? Hmmm still shows up on my maps, and I can buy tickets too.

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  79. RTFA - Not "The Boss's" daughter... by LookSharp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good grief, Tobey was working for Columbia Pictures, and he's dating the daughter of the head of Universal Studios. It clearly says in the article that Meyer is "the head of a rival studio."

    200 replies and nobody mentioned this?

    1. Re:RTFA - Not "The Boss's" daughter... by pmacwill · · Score: 1

      I noticed it, but apparently it was an hour after you did

    2. Re:RTFA - Not "The Boss's" daughter... by DragonMagic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that Universal, where Meyers is head, is the company putting out _Seabiscuit_, which Tobey stars.

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    3. Re:RTFA - Not "The Boss's" daughter... by happystink · · Score: 1

      I almost mentioned it, but this story was super terrible for noone reading the story, there are a couple of posts rated 4 or 5 where people say things from the article and treat them as if the article said the opposite. really dumb.

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  80. GROAN... by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

    Funny. You are a god among insects.

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  81. Some notable actor changes... by Corvaith · · Score: 1

    Hannibal Lecter, played by Brian Cox in 'Manhunter' and Anthony Hopkins later. (Quality left to others--but certainly, the later movies have done well.)

    El Mariachi, played by Carlos Gallardo in 'El Mariachi' and Antionio Banderas in 'Desperado'. I'm much more partial to Desperado.

    Also, upcoming, we have Michael Gambon taking over for the much-missed Richard Harris as Dumbledore in the third Harry Potter movie, which would have to try very hard to be bad. (Provided one likes Harry Potter in the first place, granted.)

    So... it's not always such a big deal.

  82. That evil rabbit by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1

    Anyone ever see Donnie Darko??? That's about all you need to say about Jake Gyllenhaal.

    I, for one, would have loved to see Gyllenhaal be Spiderman and beat the crap out of that demonic bunny rabbit that tormented him all during Donnie Darko. Hey, that sadistic rabbit would make a more evil-looking villian that the Green Goblin did!

    GMD

  83. Re:what kind of director by poptones · · Score: 1
    Actually, I heard Raimi is replacing Maquire with his nephew.

    That's a joke only Xena fans will get...

  84. Re:what kind of director by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Actually...

    Casino Royale was done twice, once as a movie in 1967 (which was after Dr. No), and once as a TV show in 1954 starring Barry Nelson as James Bond in a Climax! episode. (Note that Climax! was a TV series in the approximate sense that After-School Specials make a series -- no continuity, just a guaranteed slot for an exciting production.) Furthermore, the episode in question was intended as the pilot for a James Bond TV series (to also star Barry Nelson), but the series didn't come to fruition.

    Not quite the same thing as a movie franchise shifting gears, but Sean Connery was only the first cinema James Bond, not the first James Bond.

  85. Bah. Michelle Williams is the hot one by poptones · · Score: 1
    And we haven't heard much at all from her since Dick.

  86. Re:what kind of director by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why tell a joke no one will get?

  87. Paycut? by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 1

    But before Tobey can come back to play Spiderman (which is what everyone would prefer when attitudes aren't flying) he's now going to have to pass a physical and consider a paycut.


    Yeah, I heard that he may have to take several million instead of his usual way too many millions.

    Geez. I liked it too. But it is a movie.

  88. Re:what kind of director by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joxxxxer...Joxer the Miiigthy

  89. Considering a paycut... by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 1


    Tobey can come back to play Spiderman (which is what everyone would prefer when attitudes aren't flying) he's now going to have to pass a physical and consider a paycut.


    Cmon people. A "paycut" is what people take at a factory to avoid losing their house and make child support payments.

    This just changes his status from "exceedingly rich" to only "incredibly wealthy." Poor guy.

    A paycut is what they offer the lighting grips.

  90. ...it runs in the family... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frank Stallone proves this point.

  91. Spider man Spider man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    canned his agent
    with raise in hand.
    Got in a fight
    agent wins.
    Agent man.

  92. Re:what kind of director by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Wandering further afield, some other little tidbits: Dr. No was not originally going to be the first EON movie, Thunderball was but copyright wrangling led to its delay (and the eventual production Never Say Never Again, not an EON picture).

    Max von Sydow was originally considered for the title role, and he would go on to play Blofeld in Never Say Never Again.

    Similarly, Christopher Lee was considered for Dr. No (in Dr. No), and he would go on to play Scaramanga in The Man with the Golden Gun opposite Roger Moore.

  93. AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH! by Goonie · · Score: 1

    Take your signature away, please, no, not John Farnham, and not that song...Christmas 1986, sister's new boombox, compilation tape with "You're the Voice" on it, played at least 27 times...never, ever, refer to that song in public again or my reincarnations will hunt down yours for all eternity... :)

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
    --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
    1. Re:AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH! by ColdGrits · · Score: 1

      LOL!

      I do have sympathy for you - I have a similar aversion to Sunday Bloody Sunday by U2 for similar reasons... :)

      Hmmm. With what to replace it, though?

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    2. Re:AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed you avoiding the original issue of the storyline and reality. Come to accept it yet?

    3. Re:AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH! by ColdGrits · · Score: 1

      What, you mean the original point where you completely confused reality with fiction, you mean?

      I kinda thought I'd let you slope away from your mistake without embarassing you any further.

      I still find it terribly amusing that you are unable to distinguish fiction from fact, AND that you believe implicitly every single wrestling rumour you read on the web, though.

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      People should not be afraid of their governments - Governments should be afraid of their people.
    4. Re:AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, you mean the point where you were wrong and unable to admit it, you mean?

      I kinda thought I wouldn't you let slip away from your mistake.

      I still find it terribly amusing that you unable to accept that there is a reality behind the entertainment. A reality in which we live, and one where the actor that plays Triple H is engaged to be married to Stephanie McMahon. And who said anything about implicitly believing everything I read on the web? I'm willing to make a judgement call on what I believe is reasonable enough to be true, and which is supported by the mainstream media. But then, you probably don't think Miss Elizabeth died a couple weeks ago, or that Lex Luger was arrested.

  94. Well, damn. Now I won't get any compliments. by Glytch · · Score: 1

    I had people telling me I look like Peter Parker for months after the first movie was released. I guess that's my once-in-a-lifetime celebrity link gone for good.

  95. I was born in NY and raised in NJ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was born in NY and raised in NJ, so both youse guys can SUCK MY DICK!

  96. Everybody repeat after me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jake 5uX0r5, Tobey r0X0r5.

  97. Filming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They filmed a few scenes about a month ago at Columbia. McGuire was there.

  98. Why doesn't he just get a decent chiropractor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    to fix his back, instead of carrying on like an idiot, I mean movies these days a crappy enough without having to put up with the crap way that people in follywood behave.


    Move along, nothing to see here

  99. Along the same lines... by Goonie · · Score: 1

    How about an excerpt from Ben Harper's With My Own Two Hands"?

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
    --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
  100. Go rent "October Sky" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was a GREAT movie, and shows that Gyllenhaal could have done an excellent job as Peter Parker (with the right script, of course).

  101. She is the boss's daughter. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Seabiscuit is a Universal film.

    Also, Meyer cofounded Tobey's new agency.

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?